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Google Accuses Microsoft Of Copying Search Results

First Posted: 02/02/11 01:10 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:30 PM ET

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(JESSICA MINTZ and MICHAEL LIEDTKE, AP/Huffington Post) SEATTLE — Google is accusing Microsoft Corp. of cheating as the two duel for Internet search supremacy, but Microsoft denies the charge, saying it's just using all available weapons to lessen its rival's dominance.

"However you define copying, the bottom line is, these Bing results came directly from Google," wrote Amit Singhal, a Google fellow who oversees the company's closely guarded search formulas, in a blog post from the company.

The dust-up between the two companies that process virtually all of North America's search requests grabbed the spotlight Tuesday at an event sponsored by Microsoft about the future of Internet searches. Microsoft's practices have even wider implications now that its technology powers Yahoo Inc. searches in the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Australia, and Brazil as part of a 10-year partnership that grew out of the companies' inability to mount a serious challenge to Google on their own.

Google's attempt to embarrass Microsoft at an event devoted to innovation served as the latest reminder of the tensions between the technology heavyweights. While Microsoft has been pecking at Google in search, Google has been chipping away at Microsoft's advantage in computer software with its own suite of competing products.

"We just want everyone to know the truth about how Microsoft operates as a search engine, which is by taking the hard work of others and presenting it as their own," said Singhal. He made his comments in a phone interview.

Microsoft did nothing more than adjust its results after monitoring Internet Explorer users' search requests and clicking activity on Google as well as its own site, Bing, according to Harry Shum, a corporate vice president for Bing. In a blog post, Blum derided Google for engaging in a "a spy-novelesque stunt."

Google Inc. set out to expose Microsoft's tactics last year, said Matt Cutts, the head of Google's Web spam team. That's when it appeared Bing was showing search results that seemed a little too close to Google's own – especially for obscure, misspelled queries. (Read more about Google's "Bing Sting" here)

The similarities raised suspicions that Microsoft's IE Web browser and various other tools were feeding information back that helped Microsoft's engineers make Bing's results more Google-like.

Google laid a trap to prove it. The company made a list of gibberish or obscure search terms and manually linked them to unrelated websites. Then, 20 Google engineers took home laptops loaded with Internet Explorer, searched Google.com for those terms and clicked on the artificial results. Soon after, searching for the same odd terms on Bing would call up the same odd results.

Cutts likened the trap to a mapmaker drawing a fake street or the Yellow Pages adding a fake name to its directory to flush out copycats.

The "Bing Sting" was first reported on the Search Engine Land blog before emerging as a hot topic during a panel discussion that included Cutts and Shum. The San Francisco event was streamed over the Internet.

"It's not like we actually copy anything," Shum said. "We learn from customers who are willing to share data with us, just like Google does."

Those data include not only the searches people type into Bing, but also into Google, and what links they click on. The information can be used to fine-tune Bing's own search results. And that sort of "collective intelligence," Shum said, is how the Web is supposed to work.

Google doesn't use people's behavior on Bing the same way, Cutts said during Tuesday's event.

In an interview, Singhal argued it's unfair for Bing to piggyback on Google 's technology.

"It's like a student cheating on his test and saying, 'Yeah, I could see my classmates' test, so I wrote it down,'" Singhal said. "If that's not cheating, what is?"

Singhal wrote in his blog, "We've invested thousands of person-years into developing our search algorithms because we want our users to get the right answer every time they search, and that's not easy. We look forward to competing with genuinely new search algorithms out there--algorithms built on core innovation, and not on recycled search results from a competitor."

Cutts and Shum traded jabs about whether people read the fine print when installing the Chrome or IE browser software that explains what Web surfing information is fed back to the company.

When the discussion moved on to the problem of increasing spam pages and low-quality content online, Shum blamed Google for rewarding the owners of such pages with advertising dollars.

Cutts said Google manually blocks spam pages regardless of whether they carry Google ads but wants to find a technology solution for the problem instead of picking off useless sites one by one.

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Liedtke contributed from San Francisco.

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TWeissMA
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08:35 PM on 02/03/2011
Microsoft is in a huge slump, this much is apparent. Their operating system is truly sad these days; Windows 7 is nothing more than Vista warmed over, and Vista sat around and sat around... Now they have stooped so low as to swipe the search results of another search engine, something that tells of the lack of innovation and creativity at Microsoft.

I dumped Windows some time ago in favor of Linux. Gnome and Ubuntu look so very much better, and work fantastically. Why should I *ever* think of using Windows again? Why should I pay good money for lousy merchandise? Ubuntu updates every six months; Windows? Who knows.

The open-source world has done Microsoft in, and rather completely so, in my opinion. The only cost I paid for Ubuntu, Gnome, LibreOffice, and so much more was time and an occasional cheap CD. Had I paid Microsoft for their operating system on two desktops and two laptops, as well as their office package, it would have cost me hundreds of dollars. By the way - the ribbon sucks.

Google does have the best search engine, no doubt about it. Search is what good does! Mickeysoft - hands off. Now if Google would only get the font issue dealt with where their browser is concerned; sigh...
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ksjprod
Proud Alcohol Enthusiast
12:32 PM on 02/03/2011
It would be nice if everyone would use the appropriate acronym for Microsoft, which is M$.
02:45 PM on 02/03/2011
Yeah, but I guess since they aren't the big boy on the block anymore...and don't gouge their customers any worse than A$$le or G$$gle....you can use that for anyone?
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Imzadi
Proud Progressive for decades
07:33 AM on 02/03/2011
Why am I not surprised? MS has a long history of copying, not inventing.
02:46 PM on 02/03/2011
Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief.

Welcome to the world Imzadi.
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Imzadi
Proud Progressive for decades
06:10 PM on 02/03/2011
Well phrased!
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JackHoffman
Pundit
09:21 PM on 02/02/2011
I loved his "Road" movies with Bob Hope.
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JackHoffman
Pundit
09:20 PM on 02/02/2011
Bing drinking is dangerous. I know. I Googled it.
09:17 PM on 02/02/2011
Ha! This is funny considering the fact that Google's emblem colors are very similar to microsoft's. Oh yea and Google, let me introduce you to Yahoo over here.
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macrocosm
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06:18 PM on 02/02/2011
Bing sucks...
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Smirk
Cake or death.
08:18 AM on 02/03/2011
Yes, it does.
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John Kramarz
10:34 PM on 02/03/2011
But if Bing copies Google, doesn't that mean Google sucks?
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pjordan52
We are the government we detest
05:48 PM on 02/02/2011
I don't believe it. The few times I've used Bing the top sites returned were pay or adware sites. Give it a try... Bing Adobe and you get some adware site as number one, and it's not easily identified as a paid result like Google does. Bing is still bad. Too easily manipulated by search engine optimizers.
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Bpeirce
04:31 PM on 02/02/2011
MS has copied just about everything that it ever put out. Why should this surprise anyone?
06:41 PM on 02/02/2011
Do you have an example of a tech company that doesn't copy or do you just not like Microsoft?

Google. Apple. Microsoft. They all do it....as well as every other industry.
07:59 PM on 02/02/2011
"Do you have an example of a tech company that doesn't copy or do you just not like Microsoft?"

Both. Apogee, is one example.

"Google. Apple. Microsoft. They all do it....as well as every other industry."

Yeah, right. I've seen your argument.. If someone comes up with an innovative smart phone, you say they copied it off of Alexander Bell or whatever. No thanks troll, not taking the bait.

I will let your argument that no companies in the world are innovative stand by its ludicrous self.
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J242
Micro-bio? We don't need no stinkin' micro-bio!
12:29 AM on 02/03/2011
Apple = Firewire, the first to drop all serial support and openly push for a USB & firewire only interface, the first to produce a GUI (Yes, they were inspired by Xerox's "novelty" work but they turned it into a reality), the first to push LCDs, the upcoming LitePeak cabling system they developed from the ground up in tandem with IBM, I could go on for quite a while on the "innovations" Apple has produced.

MS, ummm, yeah. If they can't steal it, they buy it. They don't "create" anything new. They do not have a single product that someone else had not already created a demand for.

Google, they have created a LOT of patented search algorithms based on models of human behavior and years of analytics. That may not be like inventing a piece of hardware but it's still a heck of a lot more than MS has done in it's time.
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Imzadi
Proud Progressive for decades
07:35 AM on 02/03/2011
Oh sorry - I posted nearly an identical post before reading yours... Faved for being of like mind.

:-)
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Valerio della Porta
Entrepreneur and Web Developer
04:18 PM on 02/02/2011
MS must be desperate if they resort to these tactics.
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iisguy
05:00 PM on 02/02/2011
Lol
If Microsoft is deperate, why bother to make it an issue? Google is the concerned one.
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J0E1
Phil Hill 2012
06:05 PM on 02/02/2011
That's like saying "If the student aces all his exams anyway, why bother reporting the kid who cheats off his test"  The only desperate one in that scenario is the cheater.
04:13 PM on 02/02/2011
Eighth grade introduction to economics,.. chapter on "Diminishing Returns",... a reality that hog farmers know very well. To continue to feed hogs when they're past 250# is an exercise in diminishing return on the investment. Hog Raising: A primer for progressive democracies!
04:05 PM on 02/02/2011
I myself very recently started using Bing because whenever I searched for something on Google, the pages wouldn't load until after multiple instances of refreshing. The funny thing is, I was using Google Chrome as a browser, so one wouldn't expect this to be a problem. This has happened across multiple computers in my home network. Has anyone else noticed this problem?
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Slybuck
Have I ever let you down more than once a week? No
04:19 PM on 02/02/2011
no
04:52 PM on 02/02/2011
Turn off instant search. It's new and this sometimes happens, especially if you connection has slowed down for some reason.
04:04 PM on 02/02/2011
Hey you on the right! Too many frivolous lawsuits! Gotta have tuff tort reforms! Now! How many lawsuits are posted in the Walleyed Street Journal? "Mine!, Mine!, NO Mine!
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LogicCircuit
Your micro-bio is tiny
03:59 PM on 02/02/2011
Can it really be called a "duel for Internet search supremacy" when one company effortlessly wins without even trying?

I operate a website and in traffic statistics see thousands referrals from google search results. From Bing so far I saw maybe 10.
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krummlaw
03:48 PM on 02/02/2011
Heavens to Betsy! Poor, embattled Microsoft.

Corporate "spying?" In the Land of the Free? Say it ain't so