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Scholar: Mubarak's Departure Won't Lead To Chaos Or Theocracy


First Posted: 02/05/11 05:28 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:30 PM ET

There is no reason Americans should accept the premise that President Hosni Mubarak is the only thing standing between chaos and/or Islamic theocracy in Egypt.

So says Bruce Rutherford, a political science professor at Colgate University. Everyone seems to be imagining what post-Mubarak Egypt will look like these days, but Rutherford gamed it out years ago for his 2008 book, "Egypt after Mubarak: Liberalism, Islam, and Democracy in the Arab World."

Mubarak's insistence that there would be chaos if he resigned is, in fact, "a very inaccurate portrayal of contemporary Egypt," Rutherford said.

Mubarak, in that way, would have us believe that he is another Saddam Hussein and Egypt is another Iraq. "The state really did collapse once Saddam left," Rutherford said. "But Egypt is a very different place."

Egypt has a constitution that, among other things, establishes an order of succession. There's also a strong and independent judiciary. And there's a powerful, established police force and military.

At the same time, observers don't seem to fathom the populace's profound lack of appetite for another authoritarian regime, Rutherford said.

Rutherford noted that pundits such as Thomas Friedman seem to think that the Mubarak regime is on one end of the political spectrum, the Muslim Brotherhood is on the other, and there is nothing in between.

But Egypt is not another Iran -- and the Muslim Brotherhood is not another Ayatollah Khomenei waiting to establish an Islamic theocracy.

"There is a liberal tradition in Egypt of people who support strengthening the rule of law, constraints on state power, and the notion that government is accountable to the people," he said. "I don't think they'd support any kind of theocracy."

As for the Brotherhood: "It's a middle class institution. Its leaders are lawyers, doctors, engineers and so on, who have in a very careful and systematic way over the last 15 years, debated how to reconcile the principals of Islam with democratic governance and have come up with thoughtful ways to do that."

Indeed, Rutherford said, the Brotherhood has put forth arguments based on the Koran and other Islamic texts that laws should come from an elected parliament; that the Koran puts forth general principles of government, while the details need to be up to the people.

All in all, he said: "I think there's more cause for optimism about how the political debate will unfold."

Yet the Muslim Brotherhood's name alone is enough for some members of the media to cast them as the boogeymen in this story; so when talking about them, anchors -- not just on Fox News -- tend to use their scariest intonations, make grave sounding insinuations, and ask leading questions about their intentions.

Defenders of Israel do have some legitimate cause for concern about Mubarak's succession, Rutherford acknowledged. For instance: "The Brotherhood has said that if they were somehow to come to power -- and I don't think that's going to happen -- they would submit the Camp David accords to a referendum."

But Rutherford said he is confident that "if Egyptians had to sit down and decide: Do we want to go with Israel again?" they would choose not to. "They don't want to fight a war."

Rutherford's book came out in 2008, when Mubarak turned 80. "At some point, the book title was going to be right," he said.

And it wasn't just that Mubarak was old. Rutherford saw that the pillars of the regime were eroding, including the economic and ideological tools that allowed it to maintain power.

"It was just a matter of time," he said. "The thing that nobody could anticipate was Tunisia." He said Tunisia's example showed that "if you demonstrate, you might accomplish something."

So what now? The constitution's order of succession requires that if the president leaves permanently, his successor is the speaker of Parliament; if he leaves temporarily, the vice president can take over.

With Mubarak having now placed a loyalist, Omar Suleiman, in the vice presidency, the only trick is figuring out a way to make Mubarak's departure temporary as far as the constitution is concerned, while permanent in every other way, Rutherford said.

"The only way to get Mubarak to leave is if you can persuade him that power will go to someone who he trusts."

Adapted from a post on Niemanwatchdog.org.

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mjc
Avoid printing any..
06:26 PM on 02/07/2011
That Constitution has done nothing for Egypt's masses: nothing except apparently keeping an emergency law in tact through several decades, allowing detention and imprisonment without any accountability.
07:55 PM on 02/06/2011
The chaos we have seen so far stems from Mubarak's refusal to make timely concessions. His departure would likely lead to a calmer time. Having awakened and found their voice I don't think the Egyptians will give the successor any choice but to make big changes.
03:47 PM on 02/06/2011
mubarak 's leaving should not lead to chaos ---but we all know there are those who would use the opportunity to make sure it happens and they need not be egyptians
03:10 PM on 02/06/2011
let's wait to see if he leaves first
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tallen
panem et circenses
02:32 PM on 02/06/2011
A professor guesses at the future, like so many other pundits.
But I recall similar guesses at the coming "democracy" in Iran in 1979.

No one knows what Egypt will look like in a year or two, but it is helpful to remember that to date, not one 'street' uprising in the middle east has resulted in a free democracy.
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timm0
It's impossible to have too many malasadas.
05:13 PM on 02/06/2011
Who predicted democracy in Iran in 1979?

Regardless, I think India would take exception to their democracy as being unfree and not a result of uprising.

And if Egypt relies on the semi-democratic institution that they have, their success will probably have a longer run and lower body count that the wonderful, gun-point democracies we've brought to Afghanistan and Iraq. I know I'm not a pundit, but it would become a pretty solid argument against future exercises in futility like Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Pooter1
08:18 PM on 02/06/2011
.......like the "guess" that Professor Richard Falk (Intl Law - Princeton) made in his Feb 17,1979 NY Times article called 'Trusting Khomeni' where Professor Falk informed us that any fear of the Ayatollah Khomeni and/or the possiblity that Iran could possibly end up becoming an even more tyrannical state than under the Shah was completely irrational, absurd and totally unfounded.

Other 'guesses' in the article include how Professor Falk 'guessed' how it was a misconception to think that Khomeni wanted to install a theocracy in Iran, that all Khomeni wanted was for the new government to consider and/or refer to the Koran when legislating. The professor went on to 'guess' us how the Iranians would never trade one tyrant for another. The professor then 'guessed' from his interview with Khomeni, how Khomeni viewed government and Islam as being seperate, but that the two could and probably should work together. Another 'guess' of the professor was how the Iranian youth, the educated class, the progressives, etc would never allow Iran to become a theocracy.

You mean"similiar guesses" from some professor like that one?

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30C13FA3A5D12728DDDAF0994DA405B898BF1D3&scp=1&sq=Trusting+Khomeini&st=p
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JoannainPA
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02:11 PM on 02/06/2011
I have a lot of hope for Egypt. I was many of them over the past few days saying things like muslim and christian are one. we will never be two, we are one. That Is outstanding. I now this is also true for sierra Leon because i witness it with my own eyes. During Easter the muslims were draping there mosque in purple so they could celebrate it with the christians.
This call for democracy has nothing to with religion. Sure there are risks, but i do have hope!
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12:03 PM on 02/06/2011
I wish people would read and do some research before they shoot their mouths off. For centuries the former colonial powers used the threat of violent chaos to justify occupation.
France did it in Algeria The British everywhere they went
Those who oppose the Egyptian people's self determination are you advocating occupation? Occupation served us very well in Iraq and Afghanistan I am sure we will get similar results in Egypt.
If you want an American occupation than say so. Remember the student who handed the journalist the "Made in America" tear gas canister. You think the likes of this student are going to sit down if our troops arrive, guess again.
Most of the students are not members of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Eventually the demand for democracy will even spread to Iran Give it time.
Imperialism and the days of empire are over.Get use to it!
Ana4
neutrino alert, just passing through
02:56 PM on 02/06/2011
I agree with your assessment 100%. The greater tyr.an.ny confronting us is from the banksters, especially the I-M-F. Let's keep our eyes on the m-o-n-e-y. We are all at risk.
11:14 AM on 02/06/2011
Won't lead to Chaos ?!?! Are you serious?!?!?

The outlawed Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's largest opposition group attended the meeting with Vice-Pres according to footage shown on state television!!! They are going to rule Egypt ... mark my words you fools!
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11:27 AM on 02/06/2011
Take a deep breath, calm down.

The MB is not a majority party - not by a long shot. Largest op merely means the largest out of several. Undoubtedly, if allowed to stand openly, they will garner some seats - but so what? Last I heard, that's Egypt's choice. Democracy doesn't mean just when it suits us. And perhaps you should read up a bit on what the MB in Egypt actually stands for before you get too paranoid.
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tyruler
12:15 PM on 02/06/2011
Righttt...everyone's a fool and you're the "expert." And where did you get your expertise that made you so astute in the region's affairs? Righttttt. FakeNews. Well done!
10:46 AM on 02/06/2011
"There is a liberal tradition in Egypt of people who support strengthening the rule of law, constraints on state power, and the notion that government is accountable to the people," he said. "I don't think they'd support any kind of theocracy."
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Many of these people would like the entire current regime tried for murder, torture and corrupt practices.
11:15 AM on 02/06/2011
Yeah, just wait until the Brotherhood rules ... talk about "murder, torture and corrupt practices"!!!
11:18 AM on 02/06/2011
Who has tortured more people in the last thirty years?

1. Mubarak regime
2. American Government
3. Muslim Brotherhood
10:44 AM on 02/06/2011
There's also a strong and independent judiciary. And there's a powerful, established police force and military.
At the same time, observers don't seem to fathom the populace's profound lack of appetite for another authoritarian regime, Rutherford said.
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Egyptian judiciary and senior military are interwoven into oligarchic kleptocracy.
10:41 AM on 02/06/2011
"The state really did collapse once Saddam left," Rutherford said. "But Egypt is a very different place."
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The United States bombed the Iraqi State into oblivion. Saddam did not leave. He was defeated, hunted,caught and judicially killed.
11:16 AM on 02/06/2011
Where was the Call for Democracy from the American Left when the Iraqi people were suffering?!?!
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tyruler
12:09 PM on 02/06/2011
So why then are you complaining when democracy with Muslim brotherhood part of the gov't upsetting you?

Hypocrasy, double standards, and il-logical arguments seem to rule the day at the Muslim are the boogeyman GOP and their pro-Israeli likudniks.
02:43 PM on 02/06/2011
In many publications that are ignored by mainstream media. You mimic Fox pretty well. You've caught the accusatory, victimized paranoid style pretty well.
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Chris 1
10:26 AM on 02/06/2011
The typical liberal backwash. It's all been seen before;

Stalin would be a reasonable post war ally. (WWII period)

Castro really isn't a communist. (circa 1958)

Khomeni and Iran Revolution would be short-term and transitional.

The whole 20th century is filled with this sort of NYTimes Polyanna.

One willful naive polemic after the next, the real motive of the phony "democracy" narrative about Egypt is anti-American and anti-Israel. Something the U.S. left shares with Islamic extremism.
11:17 AM on 02/06/2011
You got it, Chris! They have No idea, nor do they care what Democracy is...it's just a phony front to institute Islamic rule!!
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tyruler
12:12 PM on 02/06/2011
Where I'm from there is Islamic rule, you know why b/c it's kind of logical if you're Muslim you want Islamic law. Duh?

Israel defines itself as a Jewish state even though it claims to be "democracy" where it feels it can steal Palestinian Muslim land and build anywhere b/c the holy land was given to them by God. The moment you get upset at Israel is the moment I take you're childish fearmongering seriously.
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Chris 1
10:55 PM on 02/06/2011
Yes, but it's stranger than the Hitler Stalin pact. Islamics would want to kill all of us......Liberals first right after the Jews.

So they have a cow about a prayer in a football huddle in the U.S. but they postrate themselves to the Muslim Brotherhood???
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whitewater
10:08 AM on 02/06/2011
I get a kick out of the selfstyled experts of Huffington. Let me have a try: "Protesters will drive Egypt to become a Zionist colony of Israel in the next 3 weeks." There now I am an expert too.
10:06 AM on 02/06/2011
Right, Lebanon is a very different from Iraq and will never become a prey of the muslim fundamentalists warlords. Oops! Lebanon did, but we are talking about Egypt here.

How could I mix the formerly practically European resort and rich banking center of Mediterranean for Egypt. Silly me.

Sure, sure, this time it will be totally different.
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Jen Celli
Done sitting and watching quietly.
10:01 AM on 02/06/2011
Has anyone ever really talked to an immigrated Arab or Persian? Do you know why they have come here? I spent two years working with immigrated Arabs. We had many ME clients. They love America. They love freedom. They left because they couldn't live free. They were educated and had the wherewithall to get out. Most of their families want out as well. The world is a very different place than it was thirty years ago and they still want freedom. Let Egyptians decide what is right for their country. They know what they want. All Arabs know what they want and I don't believe a Caliphate or autocracy is at all part of their future. The majority of them don't want it.
11:20 AM on 02/06/2011
Caliphate is not what most want, but it's what they'll get! Just like Hitler swooped in when the German people were suffering, so to will the Islamic militants gain a foot-hold. Besides, they are getting help from the Lefties from America! Did you know Code Pink actually paid to have an Ad diplayed on the Muslim Brotherhoods Arab web site? Did you know they worked with Hamas this past summer?? Wake up America!!
(Will be interesting to see if the HuffPost allows my comments - truth hurts, doesn't it Arianna?)
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02:29 PM on 02/06/2011
Yes HP let's anyone post unlike most sites on the right, freedom the way is supposed to be.