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Dangerous Dogs: Breed Or Owner To Blame? Most Say Owner

SUE MANNING   02/ 3/11 05:02 AM ET   AP

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LOS ANGELES — The majority of American pet owners believe a well-trained dog is safe – even if it comes from one of the "bully breeds."

Some dog breeds, such as pit bulls or Rottweilers, are considered truly dangerous by 28 percent of American pet owners, but an Associated Press-Petside.com poll found that 71 percent said any breed can be safe if the dogs are well trained.

"It's not the dog. It's the owner that's the problem," said Michael Hansen, a 59-year-old goldsmith from Port Orchard, Wash. "The dog will do whatever it can to please the owner, right down to killing another animal for you."

"If they are brought up in a loving household, they can flourish just like any other dog," agreed Nancy Lyman, 56, of Warwick, Mass.

Sixty percent of pet owners feel that all dog breeds should be allowed in residential communities, while 38 percent believe some breeds should be banned, according to the poll conducted by GfK Roper Public Affairs and Corporate Communications.

Denver and Miami-Dade County in Florida have pit bull bans that go back decades. The Army and Marine Corps have put base housing off limits to the dogs in the last few years.

Of the pet owners in the poll who support breed bans, 85 percent would bar pit bulls. Other breeds considered too dangerous were Rottweilers, Dobermans, German shepherds and chow chows. Seven percent said any violent, vicious or fighting dog should be banned and 2 percent said all large dogs should be outlawed.

Asked specifically about pit bulls, 53 percent of those polled said they were safe for residential neighborhoods, but 43 percent said they were too dangerous.

Age played a major role in the pit bull questions – 76 percent of those under age 30 said pit bulls were safe, compared with just 37 percent of seniors.

Janice Dudley, 81, of Culver City, Calif., was taking out her garbage when she was charged by a pit bull whose owner had been walking him in her neighborhood for years.

"He came within a few inches of my leg. It was shocking. There was nothing I could do. The owner controlled the dog and they went on their way but it was really very frightening," she said.

She goes to great lengths to avoid the man and dog now, she said. "That was as close as I've ever come and as close as I ever want to be."

Dudley would stop short of imposing a widespread breed ban, but she believes pit bulls are too dangerous. "I think it is in their nature to be more vicious than other dogs," she said.

She blames breeders for the dangerous behavior of the animals and believes the dogs are genetically at risk. "People I know who have had them maintain they are the sweetest things in the world. I don't believe it," she said.

Older pet owners were more apt to support a breed ban than younger ones – 56 percent of seniors believe some dogs should be outlawed compared with just 22 percent of those under age 30.

Parents who own pets were no more or less likely than non-parents to say certain breeds should be banned.

But Tiffany Everhart, 40, of Splendora, Texas, wouldn't have a pit bull. "I have a small child and I'm not going to take that chance." A paralegal, she also believes some dogs are too dangerous for residential areas and she would support a breed ban.

"Every dog is different and should be evaluated on its own merits," said "Dog Whisperer" Cesar Millan.

"If a pit bull has good energy, and if he is socialized early and brought up in a balanced and structured pack environment, then I would consider him perfectly safe for a family with children," Millan said.

Lyman, who has a 17-year-old, blind, deaf and crippled Shih Tzu, said any dog will bite if provoked – citing Martha Stewart's recent run-in with her own dog.

Hansen blames the pit bull's bad reputation on owners and the press.

"You have a tendency to sensationalize stories or put into them right down to the blood and gore when it isn't really necessary," said Hansen, who has two dogs, 9-year-old Lab-collie brothers named Chaz and Zach.

Still, she said Michael Vick's dogfighting operation probably helped pit bulls' bad rep because it showed that "people can reintroduce these dogs back into a society that's not going to abuse them."

"The owner is responsible for what an animal does. It's totally your behavior, whether you have a good dog that minds well and is not a problem to society or you turn it into a vicious animal that will bite the mailman, the girl next door or grandma walking down the street," Hansen said.

Betsy Adevai, 50, of Grand Rapids, Mich., said muscle dogs have become status symbols for young men who walk through her inner city neighborhood.

"You don't see people walking cockapoos or fluffy puppies. I have five boys and they all have friends around here. They walk these dogs to say, 'I'm cool,' 'I'm a badass because I got this dog,'" she said.

She thinks pit bulls "look like little football players" so she wouldn't have one, but the custom seamstress doesn't blame the dogs.

"It's the attitude behind the people who raise them, not the dog," she said.

The AP-Petside.com Poll was conducted Oct. 13-20, 2010, by GfK Roper Public Affairs and Corporate Communications. It involved landline and cell phone interviews with 1,000 pet owners nationwide, and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.0 percentage points.

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Deputy Director of Polling Jennifer Agiesta contributed to this report.

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Online:

_ http://www.petside.com/breedism

_ http://www.cesarsway.com

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LOS ANGELES — The majority of American pet owners believe a well-trained dog is safe – even if it comes from one of the "bully breeds." Some dog breeds, such as pit bulls or Rottweilers, ...
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02:30 PM on 03/25/2011
Please check out this website created in memory of 4yo Blaise Landry, who was fatally attacked by 3 Boxers while playing in his yard on April 10, 2009 in Morganza, LA. Its purpose: promoting safe kid/k-9 interaction & responsible pet ownership through education and awareness. XO holly ♥ www.BloggingForBlaise.com
03:37 PM on 03/06/2011
It doesn't matter if the dogs are inherently more dangerous without vigilant training or if the owners of pit bulls are less competent and responsible, the fact remains that pit bulls kill more than all other kinds of dogs combined and that when they attack, it is often lightening quick and ferocious.

The puma analogy is accurate. The consequences of a dangerous dog and irresponsible owner are too great to bear. That is why pit bull ownership must be regulated.
02:18 PM on 03/02/2011
Owners. A properly trained and handled dog is not a risk. That said, any dog with teeth can bite.

People who wish to have their dog has a "status symbol" or one to "guard" the place of illicit activities don't care about responsibility. Breed bans are completely ineffective. Only law-abiding individuals will respect bans; these are the people capable of handling strong dogs. Kill every dog with a square head and short hair (which, apparently, constitutes a "pit bull" label) and nefarious individuals will just turn to another breed or breed mix. Dobermans used to be the "bad dogs," then the German Shepherd, and then the Rottweiler. The breeds in question change, but the only consistent factor remains the same: bad owners.
03:18 PM on 02/24/2011
"Statistics on fatalities and injuries caused by dogs cannot be responsibly used to document the “dangerousness” of a particular breed, relative to other breeds, for several reasons. First, a dog’s tendency to bite depends on at least 5 interacting factors: heredity, early experience, later socialization and training, health(medical and behavioral), and victim behavior.Second, there is no reliable way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed in the canine population at any given time (eg, 10 attacks by Doberman Pinschers relative to a total population of 10 dogs implies a different risk than 10 attacks by Labrador Retrievers relative to a population of 1,000 dogs). not consider multiple incidents caused by a single animal. Fourth, breed is often identified by individuals who are not familiar with breed characteristics and who commonly identify dogs of mixed ancestry as if by individuals they were purebreds. Fifth, the popularity of breeds changes over time, making comparison of breed-specific bite rates unreliable". - American Veterinary Medical Association

"A CDC study on fatal dog bites lists the breeds involved in fatal attacks over 20 years. It does not identify specific breeds that are most likely to bite or kill, and thus is not appropriate for policy-making decisions related to the topic. There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill. " - CDC Dog Bite: Facts
04:14 PM on 02/24/2011
I apologize, but I do not understand the point you are trying to make.
06:58 PM on 02/24/2011
To point out that all the statistics out that claim pitbulls are more likely to bite is based merely on opinion. There is no study out there that can adequately provide any factual numbers to provide pitbulls are the most dangerous breed. Thus, meaning that the likelihood of a dog being aggressive or not can only be contributed to how well the owner nurtured the animal/dog. The title of this article is basically "Nature vs. Nurture". Though, as we should all know, 15,000 of domestication didn't happen naturally. That would mean that when it comes to dogs nurture has more more of a guiding hand then that of nature.

I know ran off topic a bit, but however its still a good point.

I see that a lot of this article only shows how much the media has changed opinions on certain breeds. Since there is no way to prove whether certain breeds are more likely to naturally becoming aggressive than others.
04:29 PM on 02/21/2011
Training all dogs to be good canine citizens is key.

www.tresbienchien.com
10:18 AM on 02/18/2011
I just read all of this nonsense and I try to stay out of the opinions of the uneducated narrow minded views of people who are anti-pit, because unless you have your own personal experience with this wonderful breed, you will believe the media (who calls 1/2 the dogs who bite "pit bulls" and are wrong) or they dont realize this is the most abused and mistreated breed of dog, tortured and used by humans, it is terrible what we do to these LOVING dogs, who are naturally the least likely to turn or attack a human, do your research as to why that is! Now I'm speaking about the TRUE American pit bull terrier who takes most of the wrap because they actually have pit in their name, but when I am walking with mine no one seems to know what he is and ask if he has pit in him, no he's the real thing! They are bread to be the BEST at what you make them, so I have made mine a therapy dog who visits terminally ill kids an makes their day 3 times a week! I also have a lab that I love dearly but doesn't hold a candle to the intelligence, loyalty and love that my APBT gives. He is the true meaning of a DOG period!!!!!!
02:14 PM on 02/18/2011
Listen, pit bulls are a horrible breed created by English sadists a few hundred years back. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows this. Your post sounds like the words of a 13 year old who sniffs glue.
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moderndude
Just an ant in an ant colony
08:05 AM on 02/19/2011
I think you are one brain cell short of your limit of two cells.
10:43 AM on 02/21/2011
I'm pretty sure your lack of intelligence, make my pit bull seem to be a rocket scientist!!! You don't have to comment back because I will not be on here anymore, I'm taking bruiser (my APBT) to see his patients for today, who are recieving chemo!!!! Sounds like an awful dog huh??? He's the most requested!!!! So go argue with a wall, as I'm sure you would you miserable person, I view you as just SAD!!!
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moderndude
Just an ant in an ant colony
08:03 AM on 02/19/2011
Totally agree, sounds like you're a great loving Pit Bull owner. I get alot of complements on my American Bulldog girl. Only thing to fear is her tongue licking attacks and whipping tail. She does go a bit crazy trying to catch Butterflies though..
07:15 PM on 02/19/2011
There are dogs, including pit bulls who were bred for the wrong reasons, and it is not always easy to distinguish when rescuing or purchasing a dog, regardless of breed. I know hunters who pay thousands of dollars for the best hunting dog. Therefore, not only are dogs bred for the right reasons but for the wrong as well. Not sure how you can deny this. Either way, owners need to be financially and socially responsible. Closed minds are wrong whether completely advocating against or for a cause.
12:37 AM on 02/13/2011
Great link, but did you actually READ it? Learn anything ,or are you so closed-minded that you don't grasp how many of the dogs start out in sub-standard homes and the negative impact that might have? Know anything about abused or neglected kids and the challenges they face as they deal with that baggage? The personal histories of many sociopaths includes abuse, some of it extreme, yet we don't stereotype whole subsets of humans based on the heinous actions of a few members.If that WERE the case, we'd ban white males,as a disproportionate number of them have been serial killers,based on percentage of perpetrators, not as a percentage of the actual population of white males.You want to stereotype pit bulls, why don't you stereotype them as the most-likely-to be abused-and-exploited-by -humans breed around these days? It's the truth, which is why so many of them end up in rescue, and so many more end up euthanized,not because of any inherent temperament defect(oops, I'd better say "personality tendency",per your link :-) ), but because people like you have fed the media hysteria and otherwise good potential owners are afraid of the stigma and prejudice that some direct at even responsible pit bull owners.A pit bull is HUNDREDS ,if not thousands,of times more likely to die at the hands of a human than a human is to be killed by a pit bull, and humane society statistics bear THAT out.
02:30 AM on 02/13/2011
This is a problem you are having, and many well-meaning people do this as well, humans and other animals are not properly separated in your mind. You too easily flow from arguments about the human sphere into the non-human animal, and back. Things like equating stereotyping a breed (which is exactly why breeds were created, so you could generalize abot them) to some sort of misguided bigotry among humans. Or comparing dogs that kill to how we treat murders, or how likely a pit bull is to kill a human vs a human kill a pit bull. You have a big heart, but you are trying to think with it.
09:00 AM on 02/13/2011
You have valid points, even though I may not agree with them all. What is your recommended solution so innocent people and animals are not impacted by the negligence of others. Again, if my family was notified that a dangerous dog (as identified by most insurance companies) moved into a home on our street, my choice would have been not to walk my beloved Maxx by the house. Why should a rescued dangerous dog, have more rights than my rescued beloved Maxx and Murphy? The trauma was life changing, there was no where to escape the dog that was filled with rage. What is your recommended solution?
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William1950
everything I say could be wrong
07:19 PM on 02/11/2011
it seems like most of the deaths of people by dogs are from pit bull attacks...
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William1950
everything I say could be wrong
07:28 PM on 02/11/2011
to be fair though... i have seen great pits... who were good with the kids ... but i wouldn't leave my lab alone with small kids.. if owners can't supervise their dogs they shouldn't own them.
12:42 PM on 02/12/2011
That is exactly the point- NO DOG should be left unsupervised around kids,or allowed to run loose, or live it's life on a chain or in a yard with little to no social contact with humans or other dogs, yet it happens far too frequently with pit bulls.Many of the "dangerous" behaviors attributed to pit bulls are actually normal dog behaviors when an animal is not trained or socialized properly,but the fault ultimately lies with the negligent owner.You are absolutely correct that if an owner can't or WON'T supervise their dog, they don't need the dog, but that applies to ALL dogs, not just bully breeds.There should not be an exemption for the amount of damage a dog is perceived to be capable of.A biting dog is a biting dog, and THAT is what needs to be focused on,for safety's sake, not merely the breed of dog.
02:57 PM on 02/12/2011
The owners of more dangerous breeds slander all dogs in order to make their case. It is a fact that it is safe to turn your back on your 8 year old and his king charles spaniel that loves him and the family raised from a puppy. This is how most of America lives and nothing happens, but pit bull owners live in a fantasy world where even letting a lab out to pee by itself behind a chain link fence is somehow irresponsible. If you read pit bull attacks stories on kids, half the time the parents were in the room and couldn't dislodge the dog before major damage occurred. So supervision with a pit is not enough. The reason pit bull owners act like you have to treat dogs like you do caged lions is mainly to cover up for their breed being different or to allow a prominent loophole to explain away any pit bull attack as the owner's fault.
10:04 AM on 02/11/2011
Just wanted to point out that "pit bull" is an overly-inclusive term that encompasses three purebreeds (American Pit Bulle Terrier,Staffordshire Terrier, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier), any mix of those breeds,about 20 other look-alike breeds, and any other dog that merely LOOKS like one.Statistics don't lump other breeds together ,like shepherds (German,Australian,Belgian,Dutch,Anatolian,etc.) or retrievers (labs,goldens,Chessapeakes,Nova Scotia Duck-Tolling,flat-coated,etc.),or those would be skewed,too.There are aslo likely more unregistered pit bulls due to backyard breeders,too.These links point out the problems with breed mis-identification:

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Findthebull/findpitbull_v3.html

http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/breed_misidentification/

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/Most-people-think-these-dogs-are-pit-bull-mixes.pdf

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/Most-people-think-these-dogs-are-lab-mixes.pdf

This why honest experts will say visual ID for breed is unreliable,at best an educated guess, especially with mixed breed dogs,yet that is generally what media reports rely on.When eye-witness accounts are potentially unreliable in human crime investigations, why would they be anymore reliable in an attack where the dog was not apprehended at the scene?
11:42 PM on 02/10/2011
This link gives some historical background on pit bulls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tzbgvIL2Iw&NR=1

These two are discussions with British dog experts on dog safety,where deadly attacks continue despite a decades-long ban on pit bulls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usru1PMkLD4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGlb15XhJjQ

These two explain how BSL affects all dog owners,not just pit bull owners.
Apparently even the queen,who travels with her dogs, won't go to Italy as her dogs,corgis, are banned there,along with over a hundred other breeds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-BVIxS4mVU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqDnk3zGl-4&NR=1

Some of these experts endorse a certification testing or licensing for all dog owners,similar to driver's permits, to prove an owner's competence to safely handle whatever dog they have.I agree with that in theory, but I think getting widespread compliance would be extremely difficult.We would have a situation similar to the problems now with dog licenses,where RESPONSIBLE owners comply,but irresponsible or criminal owners dodge the law,and if their dog gets seized, they just get another.Many serious dog problems are caused by a minority of owners who are chronic offenders according to most reports I have seen.That is who needs to be targeted, and where the resources need to be used, not by harassing law-abiding owners because someone doesn't like how their neighbor's dog looks.
05:04 PM on 02/11/2011
I also wanted to point out that statistically,dog-bite-related-fatalities are not a common occurrence,with an average of 25-35 deaths nationally per year for all breeds combined.Contrast that with drunk driving:

Nationally, there were 37,261 auto fatalities, 13,846 alcohol-related fatalities,37% of traffic fatalities were related to alcohol use in 2008.

http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-driving-statistics.html

There are similarities in the root of both problems,given that we require competency tests and licenses for all drivers, and drunk driving is banned everywhere,yet the problem persists.That is why I am skeptical about the effectiveness of testing and licensing for dog ownership,not to mention the cost of implementing such a plan.The similarity is in the mindset of the people involved,those who don't learn all they can about safety factors and dog bite prevention, and those who believe they can safely operate a motor vehicle while they are under the influence or safely negotiate around traffic when they are impaired,and many are repeat offenders even after their licenses are suspended,as some owners of dangerous(not by breed,but biting record) dogs are.Neither considers the impact of their actions on other people,and they are not always(or even usually) the victims of their own willful ignorance.Just as education about the risks and consequences of drunk driving has led to a reduction in occurrences of drunk driving accidents,increased awareness and education on dog safety might reduce the dog bite problem.
08:02 PM on 02/10/2011
Some writings on the subject from the 19th century

http://cravendesires.blogspot.com/2011/02/grippers-in-history-19th-century-views.html
03:50 PM on 02/10/2011
from http://www.examiner.com/animal-welfare-in-chicago/pit-bulls-score-better-on-temperament-tests-than-the-general-dog-population#comments

a comment left by a pit bull owner

"Dear Joshua... as a Pit Bull lover and Founder of a Pit Bull Rescue you need to check you facts before using them in the heading of an article. Pit Bull advocates have created their own myths and or chosen to emit the full truth. The ATTS was never meant to measure aggression but balance to see if they can be put to work. Most dogs fail for lack of confidence, not aggression. The ratio of Pit Bulls to those other dogs is 1/28. And Pit Bulls are not for everyone and require a great deal of of work, knowledge, and responsibility. You, see all these people on the dog shows having problems with little toy dogs, imagine if they chose a dog like a Pit Bull, not good! While the article is great, not mentioning the hard truth is misleading. Advocates stress responsibility, you can't be responsible without addressing their tendency for dog aggression. Just because we pretend it's not there doesn't mean it will never surface. It's a great dog but the owner needs to be fully engaged."
12:35 AM on 02/11/2011
I don't recall anybody in the posts I have read saying they are the best dog for everyone who wants a dog.I have had multiple dogs of the same breeds(rotties,shepherds,great danes,and pit bulls), and they were all different.Some were dominant(male rott and shepherd),some were submissive(female shepherd and pit bulls)some were middle-of-the-road(all the rest),except the two second-hand dogs I had euthanized due to temperament problems I felt would lead to them hurting someone.One was a poorly bred,unsocialized and untrained rottie who lived on a chain the first part of his life,until his original owner became afraid of him(he created the problem in part, yet the dog paid for it) and I ended up with him.He was a very unstable personality and could not,IMO,have been kept without some risk,so we made the decision to euthanize.The other was a rott/shepherd mix with a very high prey drive that would have been dangerous to small children or dogs.Considering that most of my dogs have been second-hand (re-homed for various reasons,some due to mismatches with original owners,some simply needed homes),we have been successful at retraining problem ones into good pets, and the others into extraordinary pets.All owners are not created equal, and people need to recognize their limitations and not get more dog than they can handle,regardless of the breed.
03:00 PM on 02/12/2011
Then you missed all the folks claiming that pit bulls are not more likely to be dog aggressive because of their lineage. It's actually hilarious to read comments or the pit bull website spin jobs. They advocate education and all this, but then they tip toe around the breed history and focus on how pits just need a lot of exercise etc. I'm surprised they don't put anything negative at the bottom in very fine print.
03:46 PM on 02/10/2011
It's always the owner. But it is also the environment. Animals brought up in unruly neighborhoods will probably take on unruly attitudes. I've been attacked by dogs nobody considers violent. It's what the animal is exposed to. I don't blame the mother for not wanting to take a chance. But for what it's worth, she shouldn't take a chance with any animal. I read a story about a ferret that chewed off 7 off a babies fingers. People need to remember that in the grand scheme of things, an animal is exactly that, an ANIMAL.
04:28 PM on 02/09/2011
I would bet that more chihuahua's bite people than pit's but the difference is that the some breeds are more capable of causeing injury. It all starts with the owner. You want a strong dog be a strong leader and if your dog is "iffy" you best have a proper fence and a dang good leash.

It goes both ways, I'd say 90% of the time it's the owner. It would only stand to reason that there are mentally unstable dogs out there just like there are mentally unstable people.
Gasparilla
bottled water = environmental disaster
07:53 PM on 02/09/2011
Only problem is when that "strong dog" gets out of the fence and the neighbors pet is dead. But it's comforting to know "it's the owner".
casaroonc
Your micro-bio is empty
08:15 PM on 02/09/2011
" just like there are mentally unstable people."

Gasparilla, for one!

A day later and still going at it strong!
Gasparilla
bottled water = environmental disaster
08:42 PM on 02/09/2011
I wasn't on this board from eight this morning until an hour ago. More of your paranoia.
03:47 PM on 02/10/2011
You gotta love when people post on a thread to comment about how you are posting on a thread. It's like seeing someone form work at an adult bookstore and giving them a stern reprimand in the aisle.
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kevman08
03:40 PM on 02/09/2011
Definitely the owner. When you say "breed", that signifies involving breeding different dogs together through human interaction to "create" a new species or sub-species, whatever the end product is, is man made.