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Climate Skeptics Unpersuaded By Extra-Warm 2010

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First Posted: 02/09/11 11:38 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:30 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters/Deborah Zabarenko) - Remember 2010? U.S. and international scientists reckon it tied for the warmest year on record, supporting findings of unequivocal global climate change. Climate skeptics remain unconvinced.

Those who study the climate skeptic position say this raises echoes of scientific controversies of the past, including the debate over the health hazards of tobacco.

In Washington, the most vocal denier of human-caused climate change is U.S. Senator James Inhofe, an Oklahoma Republican who has repeatedly dismissed the idea as a hoax.

"Actually, right now we're in the third year of a cooling period," Inhofe said in December, before the January release of statistics from the U.S. National Climate Data Center, NASA and the World Meteorological Organization showing 2010 tied for the hottest year since modern record-keeping began in 1880.

WMO showed it tied with 2005 and 1998.

NCDC and NASA had a tie with 2005.

The latest temperature data have not changed Inhofe's stance, said Matt Dempsey, Inhofe's spokesman.

"Why would one year, even if it was the hottest year on record, influence the senator's view?" Dempsey said in a phone interview. "There's a lot of factors that go into this. To have one hot year and use that to suggest that there's catastrophic man-made global warming sounds a little hollow."

Brenda Ekwurzel, a climate expert at the Union of Concerned Scientists, which maintains that human activity is a primary cause of global warming, agreed that one year is less significant than the record over decades, which she said conclusively showed a warming world.

DECADES OF WARMING

"Any one year can vie with another year or be extremely hot and break all records," Ekwurzel said by telephone. "It's more important to look at the decadal average."

Looking at it on that time scale, she said, showed that 2001-2010 was the hottest decade since 1880. The previous decade, 1991-2000, was next-warmest, and 1981-1990 was the third-warmest. "This trend is undeniable," Ekwurzel said.

It's been a rough year or so for scientists and others who say that data shows human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels, accelerate the climate-warming greenhouse effect. Climate skeptics are quick to point this out. To wit:

-- Skeptics allege scientists manipulated climate research, citing the so-called "climategate" scandal of December 2009, in which leaked e-mails from scientists at the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit in Britain appeared to show scientists sniping at climate deniers and trying to block publication of articles critical of their findings.

At least four reviews of the case have exonerated the climate scientists but skeptics maintain it cast doubt on all climate research that showed a consistent warming trend.

-- In 2010, the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had to correct a 2007 report used by government policymakers that exaggerated the melt of Himalayan glaciers by saying they might all vanish by 2035. Since then, however, independent reviews have reaffirmed the panel's main conclusion that it is at least 90 percent certain that human activities are the main cause of global warming in the past 50 years.

-- International meetings in 2009 and 2010 aimed at crafting global policy to stem greenhouse emissions have not brought major results.

-- The U.S. Congress failed to pass climate change legislation, and without U.S. involvement, any international agreement is unlikely to go forward.

-- President Barack Obama, who ran for the White House in 2008 on a platform that included tackling climate change, failed to mention the issue in his State of the Union address last month, though he did mention clean energy.

-- Fewer U.S. residents think there is solid evidence that human activities spur climate change than did five years ago.

UNSETTLED SCIENCE?

Not all climate skeptics are as vociferous as Inhofe in denying that the phenomenon is occurring; many maintain the science is unsettled, and until it is, there's no point in acting.

Myron Ebell of the Competitive Enterprise Institute is a key proponent of this view. In a telephone interview, Ebell questioned NASA's climate data for the 1930s, which he said had been "monkeyed with" by scientists aiming to show anthropogenic climate warming.

As for data kept by the East Anglia Center for Climatic Research, Ebell said it had traditionally been considered better than statistics kept by NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, but that the "climategate" scandal showed the CRU numbers were "such a mess" that they could not be relied upon. (Independent investigations reached a different conclusion.)

"I think we have a real problem now with the historical datasets," Ebell said. "I have more faith in the ones before global warming became the greatest cause of the day for these people and they adopted a political agenda and they've been twisting the scientific evidence to fit their story."

Ebell said large-scale weather patterns like El Nino/La Nina had more influence on recent temperatures than greenhouse emissions. He also questioned temperature readings from surface stations, saying many were improperly positioned and failed to take into account the "heat island" effect of major cities.

Naomi Oreskes, co-author of "Merchants of Doubt," which says that some key climate science deniers also denied the health risks of tobacco, said Ebell's stance was typical of climate skeptics.

Noting Ebell's affiliation with the pro-business Competitive Enterprise Institute, Oreskes said, "These are people committed to the defense of the free market as the foundation stone of American political liberty ...

"It's not about the science," said Oreskes, whose book tracked scientists who questioned human-spurred global warming back to their previous opposition to curbing tobacco use. "It's about defending their ideological position; they attack anything that they fear could lead to more regulation of the marketplace."

Inhofe is reluctant to admit he could be wrong about the human impact on climate change. When asked to consider what would happen if he were wrong, he said, "If we find out I'm wrong in three years, we can do some things to make some changes. In the meantime, we have not caused the American people to pay $400 billion a year for however number of years that is."

(Additional reporting by Richard Cowan and Alister Doyle; Editing by Paul Simao)

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realpolitic 05:12 PM on 02/27/2011
From: Steve Connor

To: Freeman Dyson

You are one of the most famous living scientists, credited as a visionary who has reshaped scientific thinking. Some have called you the "heir to Einstein", yet you are also a "climate sceptic" who questions the consensus on  Read More...
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Richard2
11:43 PM on 03/02/2011
"However, “hide the decline†is an entirely different matter. This is not a complicated technical matter on which reasonable people can disagree: it is a straightforward and blatant breach of the fundamental principles of honesty and self-criticism that lie at the heart of all true science…The recent public statements by supposed leaders of UK science, declaring that hiding the decline is standard scientific practice are on a par with declarations that black is white and up is down. I don’t know who they think they are speaking for, but they certainly aren’t speaking for me." Jonathan Jones, of Oxford University's Physics Dept.
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realpolitic
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05:14 PM on 02/27/2011
From: Steve Connor

To: Freeman Dyson

So you accept that carbon dioxide is a powerful greenhouse gas that warms the planet, that concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere have been rising since direct measurements began several decades ago, and that CO2 is almost certainly higher now than for at least the past 800,000 years. You think it "maybe" right that CO2 levels have been increasing as a result of fossil fuel burning but you don't accept that global temperatures have been rising nor that the increase in carbon dioxide has anything to do with that supposed trend. And finally, you have little or no faith in the computer models of the climate.

As a physicist you must be aware of the calculations of estimated increases in global average temperatures due to the positive radiative forcing of the extra carbon dioxide in the atmosphere – the heat "captured" by CO2. The mainstream estimate suggests that doubling CO2 from pre-industrial levels would increase global average temperatures by about 3C. If you accept that CO2 levels have never been higher, but not that global average temperatures have increased, where has the extra trapped heat gone to?


From: Freeman Dyson

To: Steve Connor

No thank-you! The whole point of this discussion is that I am interested in a far wider range of questions, while you are trying to keep us talking about narrow technical questions that I consider unimportant.



From: Steve Connor

To: Freeman Dyson

Sorry you feel that way, ... I was only trying to find out where your problem lies with respect to the scientific consensus on global warming. As you know these models are used by large, prestigious science organisations such as Nasa, NOAA and the Met Office, which use them to make pretty accurate predictions about the weather every day. The scientists who handle these models point out that they can accurately match up the computer predictions to real climatic trends in the past, and that it is only when they add CO2 influences to the models that they can explain recent global warming. There is a scientific consensus that CO2 emissions are having a discernible influence on the global climate and I was attempting to find out more precisely why you part company from this consensus.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/letters-to-a-heretic-an-email-conversation-with-climate-change-sceptic-professor-freeman-dyson-2224912.html
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realpolitic
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05:12 PM on 02/27/2011
From: Steve Connor

To: Freeman Dyson

You are one of the most famous living scientists, credited as a visionary who has reshaped scientific thinking. Some have called you the "heir to Einstein", yet you are also a "climate sceptic" who questions the consensus on global warming and its link with carbon dioxide emissions. Could we start by finding where we agree? I take it you accept for instance that carbon dioxide is a powerful greenhouse gas that warms the planet (1); that atmospheric concentrations of CO2 have risen since direct measurements began several decades ago (2); and that CO2 is almost certainly higher now than for at least the past 800,000 years (3), if you take longer records into account, such as ice-core data.

Would you also accept that CO2 levels have been increasing as a result of burning fossil fuels and that global temperatures have been rising for the past 50 years at least, and possibly for longer (4)? Computer models have shown that the increase in global temperatures can only be explained by the increase in atmospheric CO2 concentrations (5). Climate scientists say there is no other reasonable explanation for the warming they insist is happening (6), which is why we need to consider doing something about it (7). What part of this do you accept and what do you reject?


http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/letters-to-a-heretic-an-email-conversation-with-climate-change-sceptic-professor-freeman-dyson-2224912.html
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Richard2
08:42 PM on 02/26/2011
From: Freeman Dyson

To: Steve Connor

My three days of silence are over, and I decided I have no wish to continue this discussion. Your last message just repeats the same old party line that we have many good reasons to distrust. You complain that people who are sceptical about the party line do not agree about other things. Why should we agree? The whole point of science is to encourage disagreement and keep an open mind. That is why I blame The Independent for seriously misleading your readers. You give them the party line and discourage them from disagreeing.

With all due respect, I say good-bye and express the hope that you will one day join the sceptics. Scepticism is as important for a good journalist as it is for a good scientist.

Yours sincerely, Freeman Dyson

From: Steve Connor

To: Freeman Dyson

Sorry you feel that way. Thank you anyway
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Richard2
09:36 AM on 02/26/2011
"From: Freeman Dyson

To: Steve Connor

I have this unfortunate habit of answering email immediately, which is in the long run not sustainable. So I will answer this one and then remain silent for three days.

Of course I am not expecting you to agree with me. The most I expect is that you might listen to what I am saying. I am saying that all predictions concerning climate are highly uncertain. On the other hand, the remedies proposed by the experts are enormously costly and damaging, especially to China and other developing countries. On a smaller scale, we have seen great harm done to poor people around the world by the conversion of maize from a food crop to an energy crop. This harm resulted directly from the political alliance between American farmers and global-warming politicians. Unfortunately the global warming hysteria, as I see it, is driven by politics more than by science. If it happens that I am wrong and the climate experts are right, it is still true that the remedies are far worse than the disease that they claim to cure.

I wish that The Independent would live up to its name and present a less one-sided view of the issues."


This is a small part of an excellent exchange of letters, between Science Editor Steve Connor and the respected physicist, Freeman Dyson.
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03:22 PM on 02/26/2011
Dyson is a firm believer in anthropogenic warming.   "Dyson agrees that anthropogenic global warming exists, and has written that "[o]ne of the main causes of warming is the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere resulting from our burning of fossil fuels such as oil and coal and natural gas."

"However, he has argued that existing simulation models of climate fail to account for some important factors, and hence the results will contain too much error to reliably predict future trends:
The models solve the equations of fluid dynamics, and they do a very good job of describing the fluid motions of the atmosphere and the oceans. They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust, the chemistry and the biology of fields and farms and forests."

"More recently, he has endorsed the now common usage of "global warming" as synonymous with global anthropogenic climate change, referring to recent "measurements that transformed global warming from a vague theoretical speculation into a precise observational science."

Dyson notes that "[m]y objections to the global warming propaganda are not so much over the technical facts, about which I do not know much, but it’s rather against the way those people behave and the kind of intolerance to criticism that a lot of them have."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_Dyson
05:22 PM on 02/26/2011
Good to see that even quite elderly but well-meaning guys can revise their views, if shown marked and indisputable errors in their old perspectives. Dyson is not the sort of man who is too proud to admit to mistakes. But reasonable people should not place too much emphasis on what Dyson happens to think, pro or con.

Having read Dyson's autobiography decades ago, one may note that following his initial contribution to quantum electrodynamics, wherein he synthesized the QED perspectives of Feynman, Schwinger, and Tomonaga, he had the good fortune to be invited, while still very young, to a permanent post at Princeton's Institute for Advanced Study, upon which he cheerfully admits he quickly switched focus to mostly policy issues rather than try to stay on the forefront of physical theory.

However, along the way, he's had his share of whack ideas, like nuclear bombs to propel spacecraft or genetic engineering done by grade school kids. I think he's always displayed an unbridled enthusiasm for science-driven technological omnipotence that more reflects the tenor of the 1950's when he came of age than a more sanguine assessment would warrant.

So, the concept of resource-based technical limits to what can be done with and for planet Earth and its human population is rather foreign to his nature, something he shares in common with many political conservatives and most libertarians, though he is decidedly not of that ilk.
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Richard2
11:49 AM on 02/27/2011
From: Freeman Dyson

To: Steve Connor

First of all, please cut out the mention of Einstein. To compare me to Einstein is silly and annoying.

...
There are six good reasons for saying no to the last three assertions. First, the computer models are very good at solving the equations of fluid dynamics but very bad at describing the real world. The real world is full of things like clouds and vegetation and soil and dust which the models describe very poorly. Second, we do not know whether the recent changes in climate are on balance doing more harm than good. The strongest warming is in cold places like Greenland. More people die from cold in winter than die from heat in summer. Third, there are many other causes of climate change besides human activities, as we know from studying the past. Fourth, the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is strongly coupled with other carbon reservoirs in the biosphere, vegetation and top-soil, which are as large or larger. It is misleading to consider only the atmosphere and ocean, as the climate models do, and ignore the other reservoirs. Fifth, the biological effects of CO2 in the atmosphere are beneficial, both to food crops and to natural vegetation. The biological effects are better known and probably more important than the climatic effects. Sixth, summing up the other five reasons, the climate of the earth is an immensely complicated system and nobody is close to understanding it.
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11:36 PM on 02/25/2011
A good series on teh IPCC global warming Bibble worship.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr5O1HsTVgA&feature=related
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01:30 AM on 02/26/2011
More denier nonsense which says, for example, the Medieval Warm Period was 1 1/2 degrees warmer in Greenland  than temperatures today globally.  Scientists have always said the Medieval Warm Period was a regional phenomenon and that worldwide average temperatures are higher  today.  It also says that temperatures around the Roman period were warmer in Greenland than now.  I guess if Greenland was the whole globe, this clip might be persuasive.  It is nonsense.
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Chris 1
12:14 PM on 02/24/2011
What happened to the "weather vs. climate" double talk??? I guess it only matters when it undermines the agw theory.
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realpolitic
GOP is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
05:19 PM on 02/24/2011
Very true.
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
02:51 AM on 02/25/2011
What matters is the overall, multi-decadal trend, not what happens in any given year. And that overall trend is that the globe is warming.
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Facts are stubborn things
10:47 PM on 02/23/2011
Juan: "The first time I saw data showing CO2 levels plummeting was in Gores inconvenie­nt truth. "

In what context?

Juan: "The CO2 gradual rise was actually a sawtooth, going down every summer when norther hemisphere trees leaf out."

And again it then goes up FURTHER most every year - which is to say there has been an overall upward trend since the dawn of the fossil fuel era.

Juan: "1) if we stop burning coal and oil the CO2 level will RAPIDLY fall back to levels where global warmers will not blame man any more - less than a decade for total correction­."

How did you arrive at that false conclusion?

Juan: "2) The CO2 rise trailed the temperatur­e rise"

Not always, including not since the dawn of the fossil fuel era.

Juan: "3) A lot of global warmers apparently do not know how to look at data"

I love science denier irony.

Juan: "and are unwilling to consider all possible explanatio­ns with an open mind."

No scientific theory that explains the bulk of global warming over recent decades other than AGW has survived scientific scrutiny.
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10:26 PM on 02/24/2011
facts? he don't need no stinkin' facts!
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10:28 PM on 02/24/2011
out of curiosity, why do you bother with these guys? Jesus could tell them that climate change is man made and they still wouldn't believe it
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
02:53 AM on 02/25/2011
I don't do it for them - climate science deniers, like all science deniers, are True Believers who will not be swayed by facts and logic. I do it instead to counter their ongoing stream of disinformation and lies, which IMO should not be left unanswered.
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Richard2
10:28 AM on 02/23/2011
"Hide the Decline." Is it:

"Bad science and/or dishonesty?

....It is obvious that there has been deletion of adverse data in figures shown IPCC AR3 and AR4, and the 1999 WMO document. Not only is this misleading, but it is dishonest (I agree with Muller on this one). The authors defend themselves by stating that there has been no attempt to hide the divergence problem in the literature, and that the relevant paper was referenced. I infer then that there is something in the IPCC process or the authors’ interpretation of the IPCC process (i.e. don’t dilute the message) that corrupted the scientists into deleting the adverse data in these diagrams.

McIntyre’s analysis is sufficiently well documented that it is difficult to imagine that his analysis is incorrect in any significant way. If his analysis is incorrect, it should be refuted. I would like to know what the heck Mann, Briffa, Jones et al. were thinking when they did this and why they did this, and how they can defend this, although the emails provide pretty strong clues. Does the IPCC regard this as acceptable? I sure don’t." - Dr. Judith Curry at Climate etc.
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12:06 AM on 02/24/2011
What else does Judy Curry say:

"Although many of the skeptics recycle critiques that have long since been disproved, others, she believes, bring up valid points—and by lumping the good with the bad, climate researchers not only miss out on a chance to improve their science, they come across to the public as haughty. “Yes, there’s a lot of crankology out there,†Curry says. “But not all of it is. If only 1 percent of it or 10 percent of what the skeptics say is right, that is time well spent because we have just been too encumbered by groupthink.â€

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=climate-heretic&page=2

So she thinks climate scientists are "haughty."   Well, she is a scientist herself and this observation is hardly a critique of the science. She thinks much of the work of the deniers is "crankology," which I agree with her 100%  She thinks perhaps one to ten percent of what the deniers say may be worthy of making itself into the scientific debate about anthropogenic climate change and I am sure some of the observations do filter in, above the general din of noise. 
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Richard2
04:29 PM on 02/24/2011
"Does the IPCC regard this as acceptable? I sure don't."

Judith Curry has finally, finally seen the light. The IPCC doesn't care a nickel about good science.
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realpolitic
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12:08 AM on 02/24/2011
"Climate skeptics have seized on Curry’s statements to cast doubt on the basic science of climate change. So it is important to emphasize that nothing she encountered led her to question the science; she still has no doubt that the planet is warming, that human-generated greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide, are in large part to blame, or that the plausible worst-case scenario could be catastrophic. She does not believe that the Climategate e-mails are evidence of fraud or that the IPCC is some kind of grand international conspiracy. What she does believe is that the mainstream climate science community has moved beyond the ivory tower into a type of fortress mentality, in which insiders can do no wrong and outsiders are forbidden entry."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=climate-heretic&page=3
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Richard2
04:32 PM on 02/24/2011
"Bad science and/or dishonesty?"

Which is it going to be, bad science or dishonesty? Who is going to answer this question? The "Chief Scientist to the British government will have to provide an answer. He brought up the issue. Now Dr. Curry has called his bluff. We live in interesting times.
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10:12 PM on 02/22/2011
9. It has been speculated that the Met Office computer model contains a warming bias, which explains why it consistently forecasts a milder than average winter2. The Met Office appears to be concerned with global climate at the expense of UK weather/climate. Examination of the Central England Temperature (CET) record3 shows the cyclical nature of the English temperature record over the last 238 years, the rapid fall in temperature over the last three years and the fall in the 10-year running mean temperature. The CET record demonstrates the folly of ignoring the lessons from history and assuming ever warmer winters.

10. There are independent forecasters whose livelihood depends on the accuracy of their medium and long range forecasts. It is obvious that independent forecasts should be pursued, rather than placing reliance on the Met Office, with its flawed computer model. The Met Office has singularly failed to provide accurate seasonal forecasts.

11. The effects of failure to prepare for severe winter weather has been profound, in terms of economic impact, the UK’s reputation and, not least, in human suffering. Rather than placing undue emphasis on hypothetical sea level rise, warming and flooding, action should be based on historical evidence of actual winter conditions. A cost/benefit analysis would show that a moderately small investment in winter resilience would pay enormous dividends. -- Philip Bratby, in his submission to the British Transport Committee.
12:15 AM on 02/24/2011
Ahh...Richard2, my favorite paid propagandist/shill. After my long vacation, how nice to see that you're still at it. What's your hourly these days?
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Richard2
04:41 PM on 02/24/2011
The idea that persons who disagree with catastrophic anthropogenic global warming must all be paid by someone is the lamest argument in the world. Anyone who has ten friends can poll them about their views of CAGW. Most likely there will be a range of opinions, from those 100% sure, 75% sure, indifferent, to 75% sceptical, to 100% sceptical. These friends aren't being paid by someone. They are simply all expressing their own personal opinions. Everyone has their own opinions.

Any thinking adult can figure this out. So asking what my hourly rate is simply reflects poorly on you and your ability to think logically.

Maybe you think that every voter in the last election who didn't vote your ticket must be getting paid by someone, if they voted differently from you? How is this thinking credible?
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Facts are stubborn things
03:59 PM on 02/25/2011
Richard2: “The idea that persons who disagree with catastroph­ic anthropoge­nic global warming must all be paid by someone is the lamest argument in the world."

Got any more deceptive straw men arguments, R2?

Of course you do.
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12:28 AM on 02/24/2011
So it is the Gish Gallop, then? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

9. http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-models.htm

10. Look up the definition of "weather" and then the definition of "climate." Then the definition of "cherry-picking."

11. Now look up the definition of "straw man." Philip Bratby is an energy consultant that claimed in that testimony to "have no interest in the climate change debate." Zero credibility. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Phillip_Bratby

Now look at the truth: "Conspiracy theorists claim to believe that global warming is a carefully constructed hoax driven by scientists desperate for … what? Being needled by nonscientiï¬c newspaper reports, by blogs, and by right-wing politicians and think tanks? Most hard scientists hate themselves or their colleagues for being in the news. Being a climate scientist spokesman has already become a hindrance to an academic career, including tenure. I have a much simpler but plausible 'conspiracy theory': that fossil energy companies, driven by the need to protect hundreds of billions of dollars of proï¬ ts, encourage obfuscation of the inconvenient scientiï¬c results."
http://climateprogress.org/2010/07/25/jeremy-grantham-everything-you-need-to-know-about-global-warming-in-5-minutes/
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Facts are stubborn things
11:51 PM on 02/17/2011
TO THE MODERATOR:

Why are you censoring my posts?
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Facts are stubborn things
10:18 AM on 02/18/2011
Anyone know who where I can report unfair moderator practices?
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10:29 PM on 02/24/2011
you use facts - that's not allowed
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Facts are stubborn things
09:27 AM on 02/17/2011
SarahCuda2: "Show me ONE piece of actual scientific evidence that... human added CO2 has contribute­d a measurable amount of warming to earth's climate? In fact, you have ZERO scientific evidence!"

Yawn.

The following are scientific facts:

* The Earth has warmed significantly over recent decades, to what may be the highest level in 2,000 years or more if not far longer.

* Greenhouse gases including anthropogenic CO2 -- which is generated mostly by fossil fuel burning -- warm the Earth. Without greenhouse gases including CO2 the Earth would be below freezing.

* Atmospheric CO2 has increased by almost 40% since the dawn of the fossil fuel era, to the highest level in at least 800,000 years if not far longer.

* Increased atmospheric CO2 has been empirically proven via satellite measurements to increase heat energy retention in the atmosphere.

* The scientific evidence strongly indicates that said increase in atmospheric CO2 is due to anthropogenic CO2 emissions, and there is no other viable scientific explanation for said increase.

* There is a strong correlation between said atmospheric CO2 increase and said recent warming.

* Known natural forcing agents of past global warming - including changes in orbital cycles, increases in solar radiation, and natural increases in atmospheric CO2 - cannot explain said recent warming. Neither has any scientific theory to explain the bulk of said recent warming other than anthropogenic global warming survived scientific scrutiny.

Again these are all scientific facts. Which is to say:

The scientific evidence supporting anthropogenic
05:13 PM on 02/17/2011
"what may be the highest level in 2,000 years or more if not far longer." Wrong. MWP was warmer than now, Roman and Minoan periods were warmer then now. http://www.sott.net/image/image/s2/51819/large/easterbrook_fig5.png

" proven via satellite measuremen­ts to increase heat energy retention in the atmosphere­." Satellites can now detect only the heat retained by CO2?

" there is no other viable scientific explanatio­n for said increase." - BS - warming oceans release more CO2, warmer soil increases microbe life that emits more CO2, warmer climate grows more plants = more decaying plants and more animal life emitting CO2 and methane.

"..cannot explain said recent warming." So what? It's far too complex to be figured out yet with their simplistic GCM's that do NOT model cloud formation and deep convection, etc.

One of the only falsifiable predictions made by AGW theorists was that IF CO2 was a major player then a HOT SPOT would be detectable in the upper troposphere in the tropics. No such hot spot has ever been detected - the theory is now dead.

Vostok ice core records PROVE UNEQUIVOCALLY that warming precedes CO2 increase. That's just a FACT that you consistently choose to ignore. http://www.co2science.org/articles/V6/N26/EDIT.php

Your so called 'scientific facts' are not scientific PROOF that humans cause global warming, not by a long shot
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Not here to play patty cake...
11:14 PM on 02/17/2011
SAR: ' MWP was warmer">>

Regional, not as warm, not human caused, irrelevant. Denier canard #48:

http://skepticalscience.com/medieval-warm-period.htm

Sar: "Roman and Minoan periods warmer">

That's nice. Not human caused and thus not irrelevant to the question of today's observed, human driven, rapid warming.

Sar: "warming oceans release more CO2,">>

How's that working out?

"Past history shows that when CO2 rose sharply, this corresponded with mass extinctions of coral reefs. Currently, CO2 levels are rising faster than any other time in known history.
"The current rate of change is much more rapid than during any event over the last 65 million years." -- The InterAcademy Panel, June 1, 2009

http://www.skepticalscience.com/ocean-acidification-global-warming-intermediate.htm

Sar: "warmer climate grows more plants">>

"The negative impacts of global warming on agriculture, health & environment far outweigh any positives." Not a close call. Denier canard #12:

http://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-positives-negatives.htm

Sar: "HOT SPOT... upper tropospher­e [never] been detected - theory now dead.>>

Completely false. This canard is now dead. Don't use it anymore:

"In a review of four decades of data on troposphere temperatures, the scientists found that warming in this key atmospheric layer was occurring, just as many researchers expected it would as more greenhouse gases built up and trapped heat close to the Earth." http://redskynews.com/?p=6585

"warming precedes CO2"

Canard #10 (very popular):

http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm
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Dr Juan
Ron Paul -More Liberty, Less Government, No Fed
11:38 PM on 02/17/2011
You can even see the time lag of CO2 buildup in data presented in Gores own movie - shows how non-scientific he and his worshipers are.

Climate change is a Gore-asm.
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
07:44 PM on 02/17/2011
Working climate deniers tell you it was warmer at point X in location Y at time Z and cite this as proof of something contrary to all GLOBAL proxy reconstructions of past temperature history. What are they expecting us to say, like “ Gee, I never noticed that before, duh! Nobody from our side ever thought of that. Duh!†DENIERS DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF A GLOBAL AVERAGE.

Or they try to cite some evidence about satellites and CO2 when they wouldn’t know an IR active molecular vibration mode from duck sauce. DENIALISTS OFTEN DON'T KNOW MUCH SCIENCE, BUT THEY CERTAINLY SEEM TO FEEL FREE TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO FREELY EXPRESS THEIR IGNORANCE.


Challenged to come up with an alternative theory, the denier response amounts to “It’s too hard! I can’t think of an alternative explanation! Its all random! Its just….. kuz!†ARGUMENT FROM INCREDULITY IS A FAVORITE DENIALIST POSE.

Love it too when they set up straw dogs, beat them to a pulp and then say “the theory is dead!†when in fact no such thing is true. IN TRUE AUTHORITARIAN FASHION, DENIALISTS FEEL THEY CAN ALTER RULES TO SUIT THEM, INCLUDING THE RULES OF LOGIC AND NATURE.

Here’s one I love…. CO2 levels trail rising temperature, therefore all of modern climatology is false! This argument that somehow overlooks the fact that climatologists predicted that this signal would be found before the ice records proved it. DENIALISTS DON'T SEEM TO READ MUCH.

Cheers.
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Ron Paul -More Liberty, Less Government, No Fed
08:07 PM on 02/16/2011
I resent the title of the article where those that do not agree with the Climate Fear-mongers are blasted as "Climate Skeptics". Some of us are just too knowledgeable to accept the tenuous predictions of fuzzy models that are more assumption and guestimation that precises analytical calculations.

And modelers are so touch about this they really hide the vast array of assumptions and make it sound like this is simple math. Sure when you can't even tell for sure if it will rain next Tuesday.
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
08:34 PM on 02/16/2011
Juan: "Some of us are just too knowledgea­ble to accept the tenuous prediction­s of fuzzy models that are more assumption and guestimati­on that precises analytical calculatio­ns."

Most science deniers are just not knowledgea­ble enough to understand that even without taking into account global climate computer models the scientific evidence supporting AGW theory is overwhelming.

Juan: "Sure when you can't even tell for sure if it will rain next Tuesday."

Q: Why can't science deniers understand the difference between climate and weather?

A: Because they are science deniers, of course.
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
08:42 PM on 02/16/2011
"Sure when you can't even tell for sure if it will rain next Tuesday. "

So following this line of logic, I take it you don't believe in quantum mechanics either.
03:02 PM on 02/16/2011
I've posted this in reply elsewhere but it deserves being up here on the front line; a simple fill-in-the-blank question:

"The length of a growing season is based upon how long it stays (blank) enough to grow a given crop."
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
03:36 PM on 02/16/2011
The premise of your question is too reductive.
04:32 PM on 02/16/2011
Too reductive for what?
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
04:38 PM on 02/16/2011
A simple fill-in-th­e-blank question:

"The premise of your question is too reductive with respect to (blank) what a growing season is."
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
10:52 AM on 02/16/2011
"ONLY" A THEORY?

IMAGINE that you are a teacher of Roman history and the Latin language, anxious to impart your enthusiasm for the ancient world... Yet you find your precious time continuall­y preyed upon, and your class’s attention distracted­, by a baying pack of ignoramuse­s... who, with strong political and especially financial support, scurry about tirelessly attempting to persuade your unfortunat­e pupils that the Romans never existed.. Instead of devoting your full attention to the noble vocation of classical scholar and teacher, you are forced to divert your time and energy to a rearguard defense of the propositio­n that the Romans existed at all: a defense against an exhibition of ignorant prejudice that would make you weep if you weren’t too busy fighting it.

If my fantasy of the Latin teacher seems too wayward... The plight of many science teachers today is not less dire... they are harried and stymied, hassled and bullied, even threatened with loss of their jobs. At the very least their time is wasted at every turn. They are likely to receive menacing letters from parents, and have to endure the sarcastic smirks and close-fold­ed arms of brainwashe­d children. They are supplied with state-appr­oved textbooks that have had the word ‘evolution­’ systematic­ally expunged, or bowdlerize­d into ‘change over time’.

-- Dr. Richard Dawkins, in reference to the other major science-de­nier movement/scourge of our time, evolution science denial
03:08 PM on 02/16/2011
This isn't history it's science. Science requires proof not hyperbole. Correlation does not equal causation and consensus does not equal proof.
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
03:24 PM on 02/16/2011
SarahCuda2: "This isn't history it's science."

You do understand what an analogy is, don't you?

SarahCuda2: "Science requires proof"

Strictly speaking there is no "proof" in science - that is a property of mathematics. In science - where scientific theories are *never* proven - what matters is the weight of the scientific evidence.

And as with evolution theory the scientific evidence supporting AGW theory is overwhelming, the morass of anti-science rhetoric from both science denier movements to the contrary notwithstanding.