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Will Romney And Huntsman Be Good For Mormon Church?

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First Posted: 02/11/11 09:28 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:30 PM ET

By Peggy Fletcher Stack
Salt Lake Tribune

SALT LAKE CITY -- Amid the prospect of presidential runs by Jon Huntsman Jr. and Mitt Romney, reporters are bombarding the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with calls about the potential candidates and their Mormon faith.

So much so, in fact, that the Utah-based LDS Church decided it needed to reiterate its longstanding stance of political neutrality.

"The church is strictly neutral in matters of party politics and will not comment at all on the personalities and platforms of candidates, whether or not they are members of the church and irrespective of their party affiliation," the church said in a statement released Feb. 1.

The novelty of two high-profile Mormons possibly competing for the nation's highest office guarantees the 14 million-member faith a place in the national spotlight. But experts are divided about whether that would help or hurt the church and how much of a factor Mormonism would be in either potential campaign.

"In the long run, it would be good for the church," said David Campbell, a political scientist at the University of Notre Dame and a Mormon.

"It would mean we were entering the mainstream of American society. After all, we would have not just one but two candidates -- plus Harry Reid (the Senate majority leader, a Democrat from Nevada)."

Campbell said a run by Huntsman -- who's stepping down as U.S. ambassador to China -- would "totally change the dynamic of the way Mormonism is discussed."

For example, if Republicans Huntsman and Romney disagreed about issues, as they no doubt would, that would undermine the view that "Mormonism is monolithic, that members all march in lockstep," said Campbell, co-author of "American Grace: How Religion Divides and Unites Us."

Campbell and co-author Robert Putnam collected data in 2007 and 2008 ranking Mormonism among the nation's least-popular faiths.

Romney's first run at the White House "did not change attitudes toward Mormons, either among those who liked him or didn't," Campbell said. "Attitudes about Mormonism were fixed."

John Green, an expert in religion and politics at the University of Akron in Ohio, agreed.

"If we have two Mormon candidates in the race, (Mormonism) becomes less of an anomaly," Green said. "You may see somewhat greater acceptance (of Mormons) on the part of the general public."

Still, though the political context may have changed from the 2008 campaign, he said, the same underlying attitudes that created difficulties for Romney remain.

Mormonism continues to be among the least popular religions in America, Green said, and white evangelical Protestants -- a force in the GOP -- view the faith's doctrines with suspicion and its missionaries as "competitors" for converts.

White evangelicals are especially influential in states such as South Carolina, Georgia and Florida, Green said, and would pose a large hurdle for any Mormon candidate.

Huntsman, who has described himself as not "overly religious," may face different opposition from Americans, especially Republicans, Green said, "who like religious candidates who take their faith seriously."

Kelly Patterson, a Brigham Young University political scientist, is more optimistic about his church and possible Mormon candidates.

Patterson acknowledged that religion played heavily in the previous Romney campaign, partly because the former Massachusetts governor portrayed himself as a religious individual.

With that strategy, Romney invited some of the scrutiny of his faith, Patterson said. "The second time around, it won't be as important."

Politicians such as Romney can be very "adaptive," he said. They learn how to frame issues in different ways and often do a better job of controlling the narrative. Over time, constituents come to feel more comfortable with those candidates and trust them more.

"Clearly, with some elements of the Republican Party and the media," Patterson said, "there is a level of familiarity and understanding of Mormonism that didn't exist in 2008 cycle."

The BYU political scientist wonders if Romney will follow a similar strategy in a 2012 campaign -- and if Huntsman learned anything by watching him.

"Jon Huntsman may not want money and volunteers from the LDS community like Gov. Romney had," Patterson said. "He may identify an entirely different set of core supporters."

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02:55 AM on 02/15/2011
Putting any cult members into public office is always a dice roll. The LDS is not a main stream religion but an Upstate NY cult that was pushed to Utah because of its non-traditional family values. LDS is clannish, dismissive of other Christian organizations and socially very conservative. Also they fit into the fundamentalist religious grouping which wants everyone to follow their teachings and beliefs. The more that the history and the teachings of the LDS are made public the more the general voter will have questions.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
12:50 AM on 02/15/2011
You cannot see into their eyes, to tell who is really there.

In an official mormon setting, this is probably cool, because everyone is very likely to do as he is supposed to do, not many surprises.

In a President: I would like to know what is in his SOUL, because there are too many aspects to the job that end up not being "by the book", because the situations keep re-writing the book.

Does anyone care to share links where these guys talk frankly, so I can check them out? The few times I have heard Romney, I could almost see a wind-up key in his back.
I am VERY concerned that a mormon will view the rights of everyone as I would, but I would give them a chance to show me who they are.
10:10 PM on 02/14/2011
I love Mormons! Ya'll are crazy!
02:58 AM on 02/15/2011
Well that chnages everything!
06:08 PM on 02/14/2011
All this talk about Mormonism being a cult. It is a cult by definition if the word is looked up. But Christianity itself is a cult. Here is one definition found on google: a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
Any religion bound around one person fits that definition. Some people on the comments here say it has to do with persecution. Did not Jesus talk about being persecuted in his name. Also rites and rituals are mentioned as part of a cult. Does not Christianity have this beginning with the Lord's Prayer? Does not Christianity center around the teachings and divinity of Christ? I am not attacking Christianity I am just saying that this term is used loosely, sometimes without understanding the definition, and it always belongs to the 'other' group, never to my group.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
06:14 PM on 02/14/2011
Personally, I don't care if it a Nude Carwash Group

EXCEPT WHEN THEY MEDDLE INTO MY LIFE
and the lives of people unfortunate to be "born different" to mormons

EXCEPT WHEN THEN TRY TO MAKE OTHER STATES THEOCRACIES
like Utah
07:25 PM on 02/14/2011
America itself is a cult if you use your definition. As we speak there are thousands of people who believe that they have seen the risen David Koresh. Before Joe Smith a fellow named William Miller convinced over a hundred thousand people that the world was coming to an end in 1844. When it didn't (doh!) it caused an economic recession that led to land prices crashing. The Republican Party of today can trace it's roots to what many considered a cult in it's day, The Quakers. The Quakers were abolitionist that split with the Whig party after the Missouri Compromise. The entire history of western expansion is in one way or another a history of American religious cults. The good Christians of Missouri that persecuted the Mormons for their weirdness could themselves be seen dancing with snakes and speaking in tongues come Sunday morning.
03:20 AM on 02/15/2011
All good points but relate them to voting for a member of any non-main stream cult preaching the one right way to become POTUS. Leading a heterogeneous nation takes a broad view of American culture for without that it is impossible to guide a legislative agenda that has the support of the citizens. Look at the last 10 years.
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anastasiabeaverhousen
Time wounds all heels
05:58 PM on 02/14/2011
OOOOOOOOh! I did NOT know Huntsman was a mo'. If the RNC runs either guy, I'm going to want a ringside seat to see how my christianista relatives vote: Obama or the guy with the magic underpants.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
03:00 PM on 02/14/2011
The first Mormon to run for President was Joe Smith. Didn't work out well for him.His initial polling showed some promise however he was hampered by a weak running mate, Sidney Rigdon, and of course that whole "every religion is wrong except the religion I founded" thingy.

But he had one heck of a stump speeech which included the following; "There is not a nation or a dynasty now occupying the Earth which acknowledges almighty God as their lawgiver...I go emphatically, virtuously, and humanely, for a theodemocracy, where God and the people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteousness." His campaign ended with a thud (out a second floor window).
Tea, Governor Romney? Governor Huntsman? One lump or two?
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Bob Kellerman
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03:51 PM on 02/14/2011
EXACTLY THE POINT.....

They thought they had the right in California, Iowa, Illinois, Maine, etc to IMPOSE their version of God's will on all the rest of us.

Smith created clever myths to get his "prosperity scheme" of a religion off the ground and claimed persecution when others did not like the religion
In 2008, mormons created
"myths" about the lives of Gay people
"myths" of how parents would lose control of their kids if Prop 8 failed
"myths" of how they really did not fund or mastermind the hatred
http://nomexposed.org/

Now, the mormons commenting here simply refute what they did in 2008, and still do today

While going back and sawing away on the old "persecution complex" thing

IF YOU NEED TO KEEP UTAH AS A THEOCRACY -- well, it's against the US Constitution, and I feel bad for the folks you oppress.

BUT DO NOT TRY SPREADING YOUR RULE TO THE REST OF US
--- you will eventually walk in the shoes of Mubarek
07:59 PM on 02/14/2011
There's no need to yell. OK we get it. You have a thing against Mormons. I appreciate you agreeing with me but I don't need you on my side. Thanks though. Mormons are no weirder, dishonest or manipulative than anyone else who believes invisible people control their lives.
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hempster
Let it be said, let it be written, let it be done.
07:30 PM on 02/14/2011
Nice. F&Favd.
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Cranmer1549
Fear is your only god on the radio.
11:14 AM on 02/14/2011
As long as the most prominent Mormon in the country is Glenn Beck, the LDS church is going to have PR problems!
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Pembrokelib
05:42 PM on 02/13/2011
Sorry, I spelled Tabernacle wrong in my post below. I can't stand people
who don't proofread before they post! Mea culpa.
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hempster
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06:57 PM on 02/13/2011
The crime of passion - notprof reading HP post.
12:05 PM on 02/14/2011
You made another mistake Pembrokelib you don't have to wear special underwear to get into the tabernacle; even non-members can go in that spacious building. It is the temple that does not allow 'ordinary' (non-magical) underwear.

I believe that having 2 Mormon presidential candidates is a way of allowing LDS Church members to 'feel' (they are big on feelings) that they have a choice of candidates. They will be clones of each other, no matter what they present pre-election. This is true, I looked in my Urim and Thummim.
01:41 PM on 02/14/2011
Not quite - Romney's mormon pedigree is more impressive even than Jon Huntsman's. Mitt's grandparents were fully fledged polygamists and he's had serious church callings. Jon Huntsman is descended from mormon big cheeses too though his daughter recently married in a Christian church (a HUGE no in mormonism - it jeopardizes the "forever family") and he's been talking down his mormonism in recent interviews. Mind you, in the last campaign in 2008 Mitt liked to pretend he worshiped Jesus too.
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Pembrokelib
04:29 PM on 02/15/2011
Thank you. I should have said Temple.
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Pembrokelib
05:36 PM on 02/13/2011
All Mormons, before they enter the Tabernacal, are required to wear sacred
Garments or a special sort of long underwear which bears religious symbols.
Their founder, Joseph Smith, called this underwear, the most sacred thing in
The world, next to their piety. Need I say more?
(if you don't believe this and I would not blame you, check it out on Wikipedia
or on a Mormon websites. I respect all religions but Mormonism is a cult.)
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hempster
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06:56 PM on 02/13/2011
The only difference between a religion and a cult would be?
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hempster
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07:53 PM on 02/13/2011
underwear!
02:28 PM on 02/14/2011
"The only difference between a religion and a cult would be?"

Whether you are in it or against it.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
08:24 PM on 02/13/2011
To be fair -- which is what they say they are

I believe the tabernacles are (were) big meeting halls, whereas its the TEMPLES which allow entry only to mormons in good standing (ie, they pay their tithes and obey), for certain ceremonies. As I understand it, only those who are there to be in certain rituals wear the garments. (I don't think family members witinessing a wedding do???)
Since the most important rituals take place in the temple, we see yet ANOTHER method of insulating and confining, which builds up the "persecuted outsider" mystique.

For instance, If Joe Mormon marrys Edna Episcopalian (who must convert), NONE of her friends and family may attend the ceremony. (nor the baptisms of the children, etc)
It is generally very discouraged to have a civil ceremony as well. Then Joe and Edna live in a mormon world that pulls them more and more in.
If Joe Mormon really loves Sam Mormon -- in SOME areas, they can hang out in front of other mormons, but they are excluded from the temple and other functions if they have sex. (Of course, that would be pre-marital sex, since the mormons killed Gay marriage in California and elsewhere.)
In the mormon "boonies", outside the largest areas, Joe the Gay mormom would be sent off to be retrained, and/or have TREMENDOUS pressure to marry a woman, have kids, and complete the family in the afterlife. Otherwise -- ostracism, including parents and siblings.
01:23 AM on 02/14/2011
It is true only good standing members may be involved in temple ceremonies but baptisms take place in churches therefor anyone may attend.
02:30 PM on 02/14/2011
I don't suppose you have any comment on whether two LDS presidential candidates is good for the church? Does ANYONE want to comment on the topic?
04:07 PM on 02/13/2011
One question I've never heard asked of any Mormon candidate is to explain why Mormons believe in more than one God. I don't think even conservative evangelical Christians are aware of this belief.
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hempster
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06:43 PM on 02/13/2011
Southern evangelical thought is More man ism is a cult. Don';t like 'em much.
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hempster
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08:08 PM on 02/13/2011
There are so many. All of them. They all get their own planet Gods abound. Now I know a lot of Mormons and they for the most ok people, in that they work hard, tithe to the church, and observe such ritual, it would make the pope blush. Just google and be enlightened about Mormonism.

Romney was elected gov. of MA. His dad MI. Huntsman gov of UT. I don't see Romney or Huntsman getting through the primary process to run for president. I think the highest political aspiration a mormon can have in the evangelical republican party is non-entity at minimum and in some circles the anti christ. Holy Smokes

However there is always a chance, slim though it be, that either Huntsman or Romney could become President - - of the church of jesus christ and later day saints. At present Thomas S. Monson has that position and as such is also the prophet. I've listened to him several times and he seems a very nice man.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
09:11 PM on 02/13/2011
hemster --- SEEMING like a very nice man is what mormons do best.

Nice people follow the Golden Rule and don't condone treachery
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
01:04 PM on 02/13/2011
I think that R.A. Salvatore and Terry Pratchett might be good for the Mormon church. After all, theyre both fantasy writers.
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hempster
Let it be said, let it be written, let it be done.
06:44 PM on 02/13/2011
We've got Jsph Smith and LRon Hubbard. Two of the "best"
02:34 PM on 02/14/2011
Orson Scott Card, also a very good writer.
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Tommy Garrett
The most interesting man in the world
11:59 AM on 02/13/2011
I'm not voting for anyone who wears that ridiculous underwear.
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WheelsOnFire
Fiercely Independent
12:02 PM on 02/13/2011
Which magically transfers upon them ridiculous ideas, bizarre beliefs, and absurd notions.
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oldlib127
"We are all Keynesian's now" Milton Freeman
04:31 PM on 02/13/2011
Is that what happened to Glen Beck?
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hempster
Let it be said, let it be written, let it be done.
06:51 PM on 02/13/2011
All of the above!
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hempster
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06:50 PM on 02/13/2011
Do you know something about the underwear other then Steve Young attributing his long injury free carrerr to it. His defensive line thinks otherwise.

I've been told when a mormon shakes your hand he always puts his left hand on your right shoulder to see if you're wearing authorized gear.

We vote for people who believe in virgin birth why not magic underwear?
02:37 PM on 02/14/2011
"I've been told when a mormon shakes your hand he always puts his left hand on your right shoulder to see if you're wearing authorized gear."

Very likely you have also been told that Mormons have horns.

I have never put my hands on anyone's shoulder and besides which, you cannot tell magic underwear from Hanes or Fruit of the Loom anyway.
05:15 AM on 02/20/2011
Pasting here as an anchor...

"to what degree one must believe that Joseph Smith found a book made out of gold."

Some Mormons believe it is obligatory, but I do not believe it to be that strict. The words Book of Mormon must be found to be false; not some detail in its production.

"But do you actually believe this story?"

Mostly. I have no actual evidence for or against, other than the Book of Mormon itself.

What I have is evidence of God, or a god, or a benevolent, willful invisible being.

People usually attack the wrong target. The Book of Mormon could have been created EXACTLY as claimed and still not be the word of God, rendering it useless. Conversely, it can be the word of God regardless of the truth of its creation.

What matters is whether God speaks through this book (and many others) and I accept that it is so.
11:54 AM on 02/13/2011
"It would mean we were entering the mainstream of American society."

No, not really - Mormons will always be though of as 'that freaky cult that sends the missionaries around to bother people."
02:39 PM on 02/14/2011
I hope so. If I wanted to join a "mainstream of American society" I'd be doing drugs, be overweight, lying, promiscuous and some other things that I am not.

I *want* maintstream America to consider Mormons eccentric and different; a religion where faith means something and sacrifice is required. How it is judged by the "antis" is meaningless except as an indicator of successful NOT mainstreaming.
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hempster
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03:41 PM on 02/14/2011
Absolutely no objections whatsoever of a person who chooses to be:
Trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, brave, clean, kind, and reverent. And certainly it is admirable to shun the trappings of a sick society. But you mention lying.

Your child comes home. Look dad I've found this book and it's made of gold and the writing is in hieroglyphics. But not to worry this fella dropped out of nowhere and interpreted it for me and this is what it says.
11:34 AM on 02/15/2011
The great myth of Mormon superior morality is contradicted by the many Mormon bad actors seen just in the last few decades. From murderers to sexual predators, Mormon society has its fair share of deviants.
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CheapTrick
Them or Us.
11:06 AM on 02/13/2011
WAit.... the MORMONS claim to be "Politically Neutral?"

Wow... I mean... isn't telling a lie a sin? Or do they give themselves a pass on that too?
02:42 PM on 02/14/2011
"WAit.... the MORMONS claim to be "Political­ly Neutral?""

I am waiting.

Okay, wait over. Read it a tiny bit more carefully. The Mormon church is politically neutral. When Utah became a state, half the members were appointed to be Democrats and half were appointed to be Republicans. Up until then, members weren't either.

It is still the case that members choose their party affiliation and it tends to follow regional norms.

"isn't telling a lie a sin? "

No. Telling a lie is a sin, but only for people bound by a moral law against it.
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Hardyman1966
The antonym of liberal is INTOLERANT.
09:27 AM on 02/13/2011
I'm sorry, people, but any "religion" that emerged after we discovered electricity should carry about as much weight as being a Scientologist.
Olethea
Life may be sweeter for this- I don't know.
09:30 AM on 02/13/2011
Why should those that emerged before electricity be any more credible?
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Hardyman1966
The antonym of liberal is INTOLERANT.
09:32 AM on 02/13/2011
They're not.  It's still barking at the Moon.  I was trying to be nice.  :)
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Tommy Garrett
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11:56 AM on 02/13/2011
It does.