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Employment Won't Recover To Pre-Crisis Level, SF Fed Says

First Posted: 02/15/11 07:00 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:30 PM ET

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The national employment situation has slowly been improving, but fundamental shifts in the economy may prevent a full recovery, a new Federal Reserve report concludes.

The "normal" unemployment rate, or the baseline level to which the economy is progressing, will be worse than it was before the recession, according to a report released this week by the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco. The new rate, about 6.7 percent, is significantly higher than the previous "normal" of about 5 percent, the San Francisco Fed said. A full recovery, in that case, would be a long time coming.

The current jobless rate, 9 percent, still elevated from the Great Recession, leaves out many more workers who have given up searching for employment. As business try to do more with less, as workers gradually lose skills and as the available jobs change, the scar of elevated unemployment might never fully fade.

While some causes of job loss were temporary, others will prove permanent, economists say.

"There have been structural shocks as well as cyclical shocks," said Ethan Harris, an economist at Bank of America Merrill Lynch. "There are industries that probably won't come back for a long time."

When the real estate market crashed, the construction and manufacturing industries suffered a devastating blow. As companies increasingly rely on advanced technologies, and as they increasingly look for highly educated employees, many workers have found that jobs simply do not exist in the industries in which they've been trained.

Many workers have spent months, or even years, sending out resumes, to no avail. These workers complain that prospective employers discriminate against them for being unemployed, even if they're out of work through no fault of their own.

As they remain unemployed, workers tend to lose the skills that jobs require, economists say. Unemployment can feel like a vicious cycle.

"There has been a long dislocation in the labor market, a period during which people were unable to build their skills," said Edward Friedman, an economist at Moody's Analytics. "Being unemployed for so long makes them rusty."

While other sectors of the economy recover, labor will lag, the San Francisco Fed report suggests. The jobs of the future will be different than the jobs that existed before the crisis, economists say, meaning the workforce will have to undergo a long and painful transition.

But some experts are skeptical that the future "normal" will be as bad as the Fed report says. Moody's Analytics predicts that unemployment will eventually level off at about 5.7 percent, Friedman noted.

The job loss, further, might not have been as "structural" as the Fed report suggests. Heidi Shierholz, an economist at the Economic Policy Institute, in Washington, said that the current labor situation isn't as uneven as it would be in a "structural" unemployment scenario, in which workers are somehow isolated from corresponding companies.

"If there was big structural mismatch, you'd see some industries with wages increasing dramatically or hours increasing dramatically," Shierholz said. "You'd have to have some places with actual labor shortages."

While the recovery will be slow, the past may offer reason to be optimistic. Less than three years ago, in the spring of 2008, the unemployment rate dipped below 5 percent. Stuart Hoffman, chief economist of PNC Financial Services Group, said the good old days will, in some form, return.

"To say that's the best we can get, that seems a bit defeatist in my view," he said of the Fed's projected baseline. "There's room for the U.S. economy to do better."

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10:50 PM on 03/08/2011
Structural shocks!! This explanation for why a pre-recession level of full employment is unlikely is nothing more than a disguised way of saying that domestic companiies and financial institutions are using their capital to invest in international companies where labor may be cheaper and expected profits are higher.

The Federal Reserve Board justified quanatititive easing so that U.S.financial institututions would lend to businesses that would create jobs. I never heard the word 'domestic' jobs; but if Congress had suggested that quantitative easing was intended create foreign jobs, a few eyebrows would have been raised. Americans should be asking why these funds did not create jobs becasue ultimately it will be Americans who will pay the price for an expanded money supply if there is no significant offsetting improvement in 'domestic' employment.

Perhaps members of Congress and the President have been mesmerized by Wall Street or by a glossed over version of the state of the economy. Ben Bernake certainly knows what is going on; and he has probably explained it more than once. However,it may be inapproprtiate to discuss grim realities of the U.S. economy during publically televised Congressional hearings when the federal government would like to boost consumer confidence. Perhaps the FRB Chairman will write a book about his experiences in D.C. after the economy actually recovers. (For more on this topic see www.mary4money.com and search under Economic Soul Food)
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01:56 AM on 02/21/2011
Bernanke stated last week it will be 4 - 10 years before we reach 6% unemployment. This will mean great hardship for many millions of Americans. Someone suggested starting a business. I started one 11 years ago - a communications business - now i am busted with all my savings tied up in the business. I wrote a book, but that had made little money. I am writing a second one. I have a blog. I am an artist. The problem for small business creation is banks are not going to loan to you until you show profit and are in business for at least two years. Getting credit now is very difficult. You have to get venture capital; or have a family member stake you; No, starting a small business now will be very, very challenging.
12:04 PM on 02/18/2011
That's pretty grim news, especially considering the cautious optimism of most other posts on the topic.
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demilieu
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03:35 PM on 02/17/2011
The good side: first day you start a (new) job, all this becomes just talk.
10:44 AM on 02/17/2011
It does not matter if people buy or not. When people were buying the corporations did not hire more people.
I see lines of people everywhere I go and they need help.
So I buy local and second hand.
I am not going to help ceos and the stock market fudge their statistics.
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
01:06 AM on 02/17/2011
US MULTI-NATIONAL CORPORATIONS WANT TO MAXIMIZE THEIR LOOTING BY PAYING AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE FOR LABOR. 

US Businesses relocate and/or outsource to 8 cent to 65 cent per hour Countries to take advantage of NEAR SLAVE LABOR.  They care nothing about CHINA’S CURRENCY MANIPULATION and UNFAIR TARIFFS and simply argue they must MINIMIZE LABOR COSTS while MAXIMIZING SHIPPING COSTS to wipe out JOBS AT HOME.  They hide their Environmental Pollution in China and other low regulation Countries and suck on the lower electrical power costs, lower taxes and lower energy costs to MAXIMIZE THE LOOT THEY PUT IN THEIR POCKETS as shown by their RECORD PROFITS while MAIN STREET AMERICANS SLIDE INTO POVERTY.  They argue that Americans want the CHE-AP TRINKETS AT WALMART and must do this to COMPETE which is PURE BS to cover up their EXPLOITATION OF SLAVE LABOR.   
 
They say if they don’t do it they will go BANKRUPT but since they are NO LONGER EMPLOYING Americans - WHO GIVES A FLYING RATS BEHIND.  If they cannot be creative in the US LET THEM MOVE THEIR WHITE COLAR EMPLOYEES TO ASIA!

We must remove the TRADE and CURRENCY BARRIERS of Place Tariffs on all of CHINA’s IMPORTS and a 35% TAX on their Currency Exchange UNLESS and UNTIL they let our Companies’ goods & services into their country without tariffs or Penalties! We are their CONSUMERS! End NAFTA and other damaging trade agreements with any country whose environmental and labor laws don't match or exceed ours.

DYLAN RATIGAN Debunks the Wall Street BS on CHINA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vnWycITCVk
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
01:07 AM on 02/17/2011
Thanks to Gerald4 for the motivation!
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
03:58 PM on 02/17/2011
Thanks!
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NessEliot1932
Tax Fraud at 94% since we cannot Prosecute
12:48 AM on 02/17/2011
America #1 CREDITOR NATION in 1913 - Year FED Established!

America #1 DEBTOR NATION 2011 - Year FED ENDED!
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A Republican did this:

1981 #1 Creditor Nation was America 

1983 #1 DEBTOR Nation was America

AMERICA NEVER RECOVERED AS FRAUDULENT BANKSTER SCAMS CONTINUE TODAY!
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
03:59 PM on 02/17/2011
Free Trade legislation did that!
10:25 PM on 02/16/2011
Duh.

Employment isn't going to increase until demand increases. Without government intervention, demand will probably never rise to pre-recession levels. Consumers certainly aren't going to foot the bill again, if the current spending trends are any indication. I bet we'll see 6% unemployment considered the norm in a couple years.

Its a tragedy. But, in a democracy, you get the government you deserve.
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spinotter11
Spinning through life and trying to understand it.
07:37 AM on 02/21/2011
Many European countries have suffered unemployment rates above 10% for years if not decades, but because they have adequate social safety nets, they did not suffer the way the United States has and will continue to suffer. Worse times are coming for us as a nation, I'm afraid.
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FreeProgressLiberal
09:21 PM on 02/16/2011
Take a minute and read the label before you purchase ...

"Made in America", can make so much difference
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spinotter11
Spinning through life and trying to understand it.
07:37 AM on 02/21/2011
Unfortunately it's a label which is increasingly rare.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
06:56 PM on 02/16/2011
US CONSUMERS WANT TO PAY AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE FOR THE THINGS THAT THEY CONSUME.

The US Businesses must relocate and/or outsource labor expenditures as much as possible to reduce labor costs, environmental production costs, electrical power costs, taxes and energy costs if they want to satisfy the US consumer's demand for the lowest price possible for the US consumer's purchases.

If the US businesses do not outsource labor and environmental expenses, they will be under-priced by their competitors that do and this will cause the business to go bankrupt and/or to cease operations and lay off their US workers.

If US citizens want those businesses that are exploiting the Labor Work Force of other competing industrialized nations to be held to the same rules, environmentally and human rights wise, that our country's businesses are required to adhere to on these shores or overseas, then US citizens need for the US congress to repeal the various "FREE TRADE" legislation the US congress passed that ENABLED, ALLOWED AND ECONOMICALLY REQUIRED US businesses to outsource their jobs and relocate their plants to overseas locations.
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FreeProgressLiberal
09:18 PM on 02/16/2011
As always, brilliant!

Thank you!
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
04:00 PM on 02/17/2011
Na Nada!
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
04:53 PM on 02/17/2011
Da Nada (its nothing) (thanks)
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Paul Sta
12:01 PM on 02/19/2011
Excellent point Gerald, we can force megacorps to build factories and hire U.S. labor, but now who is going to buy their products at the inevitable increased prices? Unless we end all free trade agreements from other countries.
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gerald4
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06:39 PM on 02/16/2011
Existing US Science and Technology will not save the USA economy because in the last few decades the US government has apparently decided that science and engineering educations should not be financially rewarded as much as the other less demanding educations.

Asian countries are now producing large quantities of technically educated and competent scientists and engineers that are probably better technically qualified than the US engineering graduates, while the USA educational system produces Historians, Poets, MBAs, Economists, Social Scientists, Political Scientists, liberal arts graduates, and etc. that are generally unemployable. The Asian and other industrial countries produce very few of these non-technically educated students that will generally not contribute anything to the foreign trade or create wealth for that country.

Many successful entrepreneur owners of Restaurants and retail stores here in Houston are former engineers who decided that engineering was no longer financially rewarding and left the Engineering profession for more lucrative businesses.

My personal dentist is an ex NASA electrical engineer.

The USA must create superior engineers, medical doctors, dentists, and scientists if we want to regain the technological edge that the USA has lost and purposefully destroyed in the last few decades.

This will not be easy, but it must be accomplished before it is too late.

US financial resources should be spent on regaining the technological edge on the rest of the world, rather than the US government buying Wall Street toxic assets and constructing pork barrel projects with US dollars borrowed back from industrial nations.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
06:34 PM on 02/16/2011
The USA is no longer the World Technology leader that the USA was until maybe the early 1970's. Asian countries are now are the technology leaders. The best & brightest students in the USA have pursued the more financially rewarding non-scientific careers, instead of educations that might have created technically innovative products that people in foreign countries might purchase.

Asia is now the primary source of the most advanced engineering and scientific talent because their public technical education process starts early and continues to produce a stream of highly qualified young science and engineering graduates that is quite large compared to what is produced by the US undergraduate programs. American students will generally not endure the hard work and intense focus that is required for science and engineering degrees, especially since there is such limited financial rewards and respect for that effort after graduation.

Only if our US products are technically superior can we export those products in return for their foreign payment (gold and US dollars) to the USA. Unless we can somehow produce these products cheaper than the foreigners, foreigners will not pay extra for expensive products produced with US labor.
03:51 PM on 02/16/2011
Dear Friends,

This the same message that Jimmy Carter said, America is done, we just have to expect to have high unemployment and we need to increase taxes and government programs to help each other out.

Mr Reagan refused to accept this, and he put in place changes that have been completely undone by both parties in the last 30 years.

Our solution is simple we need to number way cut the government spending by 20 percent, we need to fix our tax code, and our country will grow again.

Anything else then we need to understand we choose to be poorer.
05:53 PM on 02/16/2011
You are very wrong. The first two years of the Cater administration was huge boom time. Inflation, which he inherited from two Republican Presidents, was rampant. Carter hired Volcker to kill inflation, and he did it by killing the boom. It was intentional.

In enters Ronnie, at the bottom of a trough. He says and does a bunch of dumb things: things got better; you think it was him. It was not Reagan. The dizzy dingaling didn't know to come in the from the rain. The current Secretary of Defense, a Republican, describes Reagan's senility in his memoir of working with 5 Presidents while at the CIA.
06:08 PM on 02/16/2011
Dear Sono,

Mr Carter was given a bad economy, no doubt about this, we had a bunch of issues that need to be corrected. But Mr Carter did what every left wing person does, he increased taxes, government jobs, and tried to ration things like energy. He spent a lot of money on stupid energy ideas, but without the lies of green groups, it all stopped when Mr Reagan took office.

Mr Reagan reduce government spending, one of the very few president to do this, and allow the private sector to grow.
02:24 PM on 02/16/2011
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