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F-35 Engine Battle Breaks Out On GOP Spending Bill

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DAVID ESPO   02/16/11 11:53 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Determined to reduce deficits, impatient House Republican freshmen made common cause with President Barack Obama on Wednesday, scoring their biggest victory to date in a vote to cancel $450 million for an alternative engine for the Pentagon's next-generation warplane.

"Right here, right now was a surefire way to reduce spending," declared Rep. Tom Rooney of Florida, a second-term lawmaker whose summons to cut money from the F-35 fighter jet was answered by 47 Republican newcomers. Speaker John Boehner and other House GOP leaders back the funding.

The incursion into the defense budget occurred as the Republican-controlled House debated legislation to cut federal spending by more than $61 billion through the end of the current fiscal year. Nearly all of the reductions are aimed at domestic programs, ranging from education aid to nutrition, environmental protection and farm programs.

Obama has threatened a veto if the measure reaches his desk, but he and the GOP newcomers were on the same side when it came to the engine for the F-35, the costliest weapons program in U.S. history. The House vote was 233-198.

Two successive presidents as well as the Pentagon brass have tried to scrap funding for the alternative engine, arguing it is a waste of money. In a letter to Rooney earlier this week, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said total costs could near $3 billion. Given the demands facing the military at a time of high deficits, "programs and initiatives of marginal or no benefit – like the . engine – are unaffordable luxuries," he wrote.

Strictly by the numbers, the vote was a bipartisan one, with 110 Republicans and 123 Democrats supporting cancellation of the funds, while 68 Democrats and 130 Republicans wanted to leave them in place.

But that breakdown obscured the change wrought by the voters last fall. A similar vote in May ended in defeat for opponents of the alternative engine.

At the time, Democrats controlled the House, and only 57 Republicans voted to cut off funds. Many of today's first-term Republicans were mere candidates for office, campaigning with the support of tea party activists and promising to cut federal spending.

"Give these new freshmen credit. They went against their own leadership," said Rep. John Larson, D-Conn., also a foe of the alternative engine.

"No federal agency is exempt," said freshman Rep. Tim Griffin, R-Ark., who said the second engine "is militarily unnecessary and a wasteful use of extremely limited and precious taxpayer dollars."

Supporters had argued that the alternative engine would save money by injecting competition into the F-35 program.

Apart from spending cuts and the defense budget, the broader legislation before the House contains funding needed to keep the government operating normally after current authority expires on March 4.

House passage is expected by week's end, although debate has turned into something of an exercise in human endurance as Republicans live up to their pledge of free-flowing discussion and numerous amendments.

Lawmakers debated proposed changes to the bill well after midnight and into the early hours of Wednesday, and arrangements were in place for the House to stay in session as late as 3 a.m. on Thursday before adjourning for a few hours and returning to work.

Along the way, the House rejected a Democratic attempt to strip out funding for the Selective Service System, and a proposal to eliminate $1.5 billion for the Iraqi Security Forces fund.

But Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz. was successful in reducing money for the National Drug Intelligence Center, a facility that was built in southwestern Pennsylvania at the insistence of the area's late congressman, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa. "There has been no better example of wasteful spending than the NDIC," said Flake, a longtime opponent of what are known as congressional earmarks.

More than 400 proposed changes were stacked up and could be voted on, ranging from the sweeping to the tightly targeted.

Rep. Steven LaTourette, R-Ohio, has proposed replacing the targeted cuts with across-the-board reductions to achieve the same savings.

Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., wants to go big, cutting an additional $45 billion from the bill, to be taken across the board from domestic programs.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., has one proposal to block the Department of Health and Human Services from studying "the concurrent and separate use of malt liquor and marijuana among young people," and another to make sure the National Science Foundation does not research whether "video games improve mental health for the elderly."

The ultimate fate of the alternative engine wasn't sealed by the day's vote. Supporters of the project are likely to try and preserve it when the Senate debates its version of the bill. Gates' spokesman, Geoff Morrell, said the defense chief viewed the House vote as "one step, although a very important one, on the path to ensuring that we stop spending limited dollars on unwanted and unneeded defense programs."

The fight over the alternative engine has long been more a regional clash than a partisan issue.

The main engine is built by Connecticut-based Pratt & Whitney, a unit of United Technologies Corp.

General Electric and Rolls-Royce are major contractors for the alternative engine, and the program has brought jobs to Ohio, among other regions. Boehner, who represents a district in the western part of the state, did not speak during debate on the issue and did not vote on the proposed cut. A spokesman said he did not attempt to lobby fellow lawmakers.

Also in favor of continued funding were Boehner's top lieutenants in leadership, Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia and Kevin McCarthy of California, the whip.

While a majority of first-term Republicans voted to strip out the funds, those from Virginia and Ohio as well as next-door Indiana were unanimously opposed, a dozen in all.

Whatever the bill's final shape, the heavy conservative majority in the House assures the legislation will face a hostile reception in the Senate, where Democrats generally favor higher spending for domestic programs.

A compromise is expected before the March 4 deadline to avoid a government shutdown that neither party says it wants, although the government may be forced to limp along on a series of short-term spending bills for weeks while the details are negotiated.

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Associated Press writers Andrew Taylor and Donna Cassata contributed to this report.

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COMMUNITY PUNDITS
themodernleader 07:23 AM on 02/16/2011
    The only thing I see going for us is our military technology.  We lose that at our national peril.  Our common defense depends upon superior weaponry that should then flow into new domestic technologies and products.  Our plane manufacturing may be lagging for lack of technology and innovation.
   The Republicans must be realistic.  We must have  Read More...
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Edward Standley
opinionated jerk
08:45 PM on 04/01/2011
If the Pentagon tells you they don't need a new jet engine, they Really Really Really don't need it.
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Dunkleberger Karl
Historian,Humanitarian,Hedonist.
04:47 AM on 03/23/2011
When the last Hueys weere being decommisioned the army found 100 spare engines in packing grease! this is what will hapen with those engins free bees for the "land of the torah", and the "land of the morning calm"!
 
And some old senator or his family will get a mysterious packet with cash in it on their door step!
Marked"from your friends!"
07:19 PM on 03/12/2011
What's interesting is that the Chinese and the Russians are working on their own stealth technologies... BUT I bet their jets won't be as costly as ours.
We built them first, and I am willing to bet that they learned some of it from us...
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Edward Standley
opinionated jerk
08:18 PM on 04/01/2011
Don't know about the Russian stealth program, but the Chinese stealth planes appear to use old U.S. style stealth technology, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Nobody knows the vulnerabilities of those planes better than the U.S. military.
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Blodo
Time to build a better world
02:07 PM on 02/17/2011
The cost of these weapons is hard to fathom. I can't help comparing the price tag on this hardware to the cost of the first school Greg Mortenson's (of Two Cups of Tea) built in Pakistan: $20,000. So one F-22, at the very conservative estimate of $100 M would be 5,000 schools.
01:05 AM on 02/17/2011
A polluted society



The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings, but shorter tempers; wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints.

We spend more, but have less; we buy more, but enjoy it less.

We have bigger houses and smaller families; more conveniences, but less time;

We have more degrees, but less sense; more knowledge, but less judgment; more experts, but more problems; more medicine, but less wellness.

We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry too quickly, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too seldom, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom.

We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values.

We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often.

We've learned how to make a living, but not a life; we've added years to life, not life to years.

We've been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet the new neighbor.

We've conquered outer space, but not inner space.

We've done larger things, but not better things.

We've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul.

We've split the atom, but not our prejudice.

We write more, but learn less.

We plan more, but accomplish less.

We've learned to rush, but not to wait.

We build more computers to hold more information to produce more copies than ever, but have less communication.


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omobob
left coast, usa
07:54 PM on 02/16/2011
Hard to look fiscally responsible when you are building the world’s most expensive jet for a war it will never fight.
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CDRUSNret
09:07 AM on 02/17/2011
bob...glad you can predict the future, but no way is this the most expensive military jet. That would be the B-2. In today's dollars the unit cost would be ~$2.8B per copy. Lobbyists try to promote their aircraft by quoting a "flyaway" cost, or what DoD green eyeshade folks call APUC (average procurement unit cost). That doesn't include the sunk cost of RDT&E to get to production. The F-22 was sold to Congress on what the flyaway cost was per aircraft based on a buy of over 700 acft, making the cost much lower than the claimed $138M per copy it is now. Since the sunk costs have to be amortized over ~180 acft, the F-22 really costs ~$350M per copy. We can't know how much an F-35 will cost per unit, but depending on how many we and our buy.....the total will prob be in the $115-130M range counting development. The VTOL variant for the USMC and Brits will be the more expensive variant.
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omobob
left coast, usa
11:27 AM on 02/17/2011
> That would be the B-2.

Which is why they don’t build them anymore. But you know this. Building both the F-22 and the F-35 is typical of US Military genius. Two planes, non inter changeable parts. Questionable future use of the need for either. Whose jets will the F-22 intercept? The Chinese? What will the F-35 do that a Super Hornet can’t do better? As usual the US Military uses the elephant to kill the fly instead of the less expensive and far more practical fly swatter. Anyone can see the future of war is going to be insurgent and not open warfare much to the Pentagon’s dismay. One more wasteful boondoggle.
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Dunkleberger Karl
Historian,Humanitarian,Hedonist.
04:49 AM on 03/23/2011
Invsible jets are a joke!
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BOBINMO
05:24 PM on 02/16/2011
Oh oh,trouble in paradise.
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Dunkleberger Karl
Historian,Humanitarian,Hedonist.
04:50 AM on 03/23/2011
Unless You are Wuder Woman.
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Hillbilly49
Don't tell me you are a Christian; let me guess.
04:12 PM on 02/16/2011
Those folks gave a lot of money to Bone-rrr to buy that vote.
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diondatta
03:56 PM on 02/16/2011
The USA needs this new boondoggle of a jet because they are fighting people in caves with 1947 technology (AK47). Grandma can always eat cat food this winter.....hey, we all have to sacrifice right? the Wall Street elite financial class need their bonuses.
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CDRUSNret
09:14 AM on 02/17/2011
If I were a pilot and had to go to downtown Tehran, Beijing, or Shanghai, I'd much rather go in a stealthy F-22, B-2, or F-35 than an F-15 or F/A-18.
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Dunkleberger Karl
Historian,Humanitarian,Hedonist.
04:52 AM on 03/23/2011
If you are known to be comming , a 7.62, or 40 MM fired over open sites with tracer will knock you out of the skies!
 
Invisibility is wunderfull if you aint flying into smog, fog, or rain!
03:28 PM on 02/16/2011
Humm, I'm reminded of the 08 economic collapse - remember that? Enron style accounting and investing from Wall St., bankers, big business, CEO's and their bonuses?

Is it fair to admit that the US Military Industrial Complex has also become "TO BIG TO FAIL"??? The defense budget is larger than several other countries COMBINED. Republicans would rather take money away from seniors, the un-employed, the unhealthy, and the lower class, rather than make serious cuts to waste, fraud, corruption and abuse. Any politician or business CEO who supports that should be shamed and ridiculed at every opportunity as they are a serious threat to the national security of this country.

We need yearly AUDITS OF THE FED too.

Why did Obama allow the reps to get their tax cut for the top 2% of the wealthiest people again? Now would be a great time to reverse that horrendous decision. In fact, the taxes for the top 2% should be raised to 50% to help us get out of the mess that they have a large responsibility in creating. We had a surplus when Clinton left office, REMEMBER?

I am disgusted with the utter irresponsible way that the country I used to admire is being run. Surely half of congress should be fired as they couldn't care less about this country.
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marignymitch
E pluribus unum percent
03:21 PM on 02/16/2011
At the end of the day this expenditure will be OK'd by Republican and Democratic lawmakers. You gotta love our reps in DC: They're always against boondogle spending, except when they're for it. Long live the corporatocracy!
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CDRUSNret
03:33 PM on 02/16/2011
Actually it didn't pass. 123 Dems and 110 Repubs voted it down. Most of the dreaded TP backed members of Congress carried the day. Ironic isn't it?
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marignymitch
E pluribus unum percent
03:37 PM on 02/16/2011
The House version passed, but Senate Democrats and Republicans love it. The program will be revived in reconciliation. Wait for it.
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Dunkleberger Karl
Historian,Humanitarian,Hedonist.
04:53 AM on 03/23/2011
There are not 50 TP backed congress men!
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media4me
03:17 PM on 02/16/2011
Okay.................
Now cut the European defense budget by 50%.
Yes, this is a general statement but I think you get the idea.
Bring the money back home.
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diondatta
03:52 PM on 02/16/2011
European defense? Who is America "defending" Europe from? Germany? The Soviet Union? Doesn't the European nations all have military of their own?
How about close ALL US military bases on ALL foreign soil?
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media4me
04:28 PM on 02/16/2011
Well......
I just wanted to start off slowly.
If you want to start with all (unrealistic), go for it.
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thepoliticalcat
Eradicate your microbioflora
05:46 PM on 02/17/2011
Remember, closing down ALL US military bases on ALL foreign soil will have the undesirable side effect of throwing thousands of military personnel out of work -- and we don't have enough jobs for most of us still looking, as it is.
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clutchkill
Agrresive Progressive
03:14 PM on 02/16/2011
Good News... Give me more.
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notdarkyet
End the Drug War.
03:08 PM on 02/16/2011
I guess Boehner can't count. What is this for him now, four fails? We can see the R's don't have the power they thought when the election was over. Can't control the new pups on the block. Hahahahah. LMAO
03:07 PM on 02/16/2011
So now the GOP is soft on national defense! Heads must roll!
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Dunkleberger Karl
Historian,Humanitarian,Hedonist.
04:55 AM on 03/23/2011
Gop=Soft Brains!