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Egypt's Christians Keep Wary Eye On Muslim Brotherhood

Coptic Christians Worry

First Posted: 02/17/11 10:20 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:35 PM ET

By Alice Fordham
USA Today

CAIRO (RNS) In Magdi Shnouda's cafe in Cairo, pictures of Jesus and the saints hang on the shabby walls, and the men playing backgammon and dominoes are a mixture of Christians and Muslims.

Sucking down glasses of sweet tea and strong coffee, they drape arms around one another and talk of how well they get along. They live in a neighborhood dotted with mosques and churches, and grew up like brothers, they say.

Another thing they agree on is the toppling of the regime of Hosni Mubarak, who left office after 17 days of anti-government protests. The country is now being run by the military, which has dissolved a parliament full of Mubarak cronies.

"It's excellent what's happening," said Nasraddin Mustafa, 55, a decorator and friend of Shnouda's. "Christians and Muslims are the same ... there will now be more safety and more friendship between Christians and Muslims."

The revolutionary solidarity in Shnouda's cafe was shaken, however, when the subject of the Muslim Brotherhood came up.

"If the Brotherhood take control, I will be the first to leave the country," said Baha al-Rashid, 40, a driver playing backgammon.

The Brotherhood, a strictly Islamic political party, is the country's most organized opposition group. Some Christians fear that if it gains more influence, it would impose Shariah, or Islamic law, and forbid them from practicing their faith.

"Neither Christians nor Muslims like them, because they are a group with their own ideas, but the rest of the Muslims are good with Christians," said Eid Ibrahim, 41, also a driver and a Christian.

Egypt has about 8 million Christians, the largest Christian population in the Middle East. Most belong to the Coptic Orthodox church ("Coptic" means "Egyptian"). The faith has been in Egypt for 2,000 years, they say.

The Bible says Mary and Joseph fled to Egypt with the infant Jesus to escape King Herod's decree that baby boys in Bethlehem be killed. Tradition holds that St. Mark brought Christianity to Egypt in the first century. Islam did not arrive until six centuries later.

Christians here have long complained that they are shut out of some government jobs and treated as second-class citizens.

Christians have been targeted by terrorists in attacks that Mubarak's Interior Ministry blamed on "foreign elements." In the largest of many attacks against Christians last year, a car bomb in the northern city of Alexandria killed 21 people in December at a Christmas ceremony.

But during the recent demonstrations in Cairo's Tahrir Square, many Christians joined in, protecting Muslims from police and Mubarak supporters while they prayed. Christian doctors manned some of the first-aid stands, and posters with a crescent moon and a cross
proclaimed unity.

At St. Mark's Coptic Orthodox Cathedral on Sunday (Feb. 13), there were christening parties and worshipers caressed babies and chatted. They agreed that a new Egypt is a good thing but that there could be problems ahead.

"In the last year, there (have) been a lot of demonstrations," said David Samuels, 31, a master's student and a Christian, speaking in a bar near the upscale Heliopolis area of Cairo. "They were protesting because of anger and discrimination against them."

Many Christians say they suspect the government was involved in the attacks to keep Egyptians divided.

"When the demonstrations started, I doubted that what would happen in Tunisia would happen here," Samuels said. "But then I understood that there was real anger and people were talking about being Egyptian, not about being Christians or Muslims, and my Muslim friends were angry that the government was making conflict between Christians and Muslims worse."

Despite the euphoria, he, too, is nervous about the Brotherhood.

"I read a lot about the history of the party," he said. "They know there are a lot of bad vibes against them, so they will first try to get to the top of all the syndicates and then come to power, which would be the worst for Christians.

"Christians have been raised on fear, and they are always afraid," he said.

In Shnouda's cafe, the owner was quiet as his friends chattered about the revolution, about how the political elite who stole all the money had gone, how Egypt was entering a time of more freedom and how the new government would not try to divide Christians and Muslims as the old one did.

Asked whether he agreed that the government would bring people closer, Shnouda paused. "Come and ask me this question in a year," he said. "We hope it will be better."

Alice Fordham writes for USA Today.

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07:42 AM on 02/24/2011
Where are the Jews and Baha'is in this "unifying" of this "new" Egypt? Only Jews, Christains and Muslims are allowed citizenship in this country even though some of these minorities have lived in Egypt for generations.
08:28 PM on 02/22/2011
If you're not worried, you're not Christian.
05:46 PM on 02/23/2011
Worried for what? Ourselves? That would hardly be "Christian". I worry less for them than for most other Middle Eastern countries, as they've so far managed to keep the demonstrations relatively peaceful, with little bloodshed, comparatively. I worry far more for Libya, which is shaping up to be a possible bloodbath.

This is an encouraging sign that the hard-line Islamic parties may have more trouble gaining traction in Egypt. If that proves to be the case, it may help to spread a more democratic society throughout the region. Is there risk of just another hard-line Islamic government imposing Sharia law? Of course, but there is so much potential for good to come of it as well. Focusing purely on the negative is foolish.
08:45 AM on 02/21/2011
Christians in the Arab/Muslim world are suffering what Jews suffered for 1,000 years in Arab/Muslim countries - look at Moroccan Jews: a large community ups and leaves in about 1 year after 1,000 years in place - did they do it for kicks? They did it out of fear. At least the South Sudanese have a chance now.
09:47 AM on 02/20/2011
Islamophobia is so out of control in America, I wonder how the Right would respond to Christians and Muslims playing board games together. Would that just blow their minds?
08:26 PM on 02/22/2011
This is not the norm in Egypt or anywhere else in the Mideast. Read up on dhimmitude so that you can speak intelligently on this issue. Your post is 60s retro.
01:56 AM on 02/20/2011
"Allah is our objective; the Prophet is our leader; the Quran is our law; Jihad is our way; dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope." So goes the motto of the Muslim Brotherhood. Coptic Christians are trembling with fear.
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MedinaM
09:46 PM on 02/18/2011
Why did this article mention the attack on the church and then how Christians protected Muslims while praying, but didn't mention that Muslims protected Christians after the bombing of the church? Come on! At least provide ALL information and not whatever information will just make your argument sound better.
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
01:28 PM on 02/18/2011
this article has a serious christian slant to it. might I add christians have their own talibans, even in Egypt there are extremist christian groups, whether christians want to hear it or not.
08:32 PM on 02/22/2011
I as a Christian would love to hear it. I would also like to hear you defend dhimmitude, different dress for Christians, the ban on building new churches and the periodic imprisonments of the Coptic Pope. I'm listening.................................
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TYRANNASAURUS
UGH!....people don't taste good.
12:14 PM on 02/18/2011
Egypt's Christians Keep Wary Eye On Muslim Brotherhood.....

I think it's sick......before the Christian era wars were on a smaller scale, the were about land and wealth..... ever since the Jewish, Christian and Islamic religions monoliths arrived .... killing has been on a massive scale throughout the last 2000 years........and all over eradicating someone elses fictional fantasy beliefs... it boggles the thinking mind.
10:05 AM on 02/18/2011
Whoever wrote this article makes me feel Islam orders Muslims to treat Christians inhumanely! If the Muslim Brotherhood truly believes so, which I highly doubt, then its members are not true Muslims.
Oh and why are Christians in Egypt afraid and will always be afraid as stated in the article?

Is it because Christians are treated unequally?
If it were Youssif Boutrous Ghaly wouldn't have been a minister in the former Egyptian Government and Sawiris wouldn't have been Egypt's richest man. Christians in Egypt are treated even better than the Muslims themselves, Their churches have Police protection 24/7, while mosques do not have any, Christians are allowed to have their churches open all day, but mosques aren't allowed to, Christians can have meetings in churches, but if a couple of Muslims do that they will get imprisoned.

Is it because of the Muslims?
No, because when the Police fled the streets of Egypt during the recent protests and the army entered the streets, young "Muslims" were defending these churches. The Christians themselves while the Muslims were praying, were defending them from the violent Pro-Mubarak protesters.

So, I find no true reason for Egyptian Christians to fear the Muslims.
10:57 PM on 02/18/2011
Until 2005 they needed presidential approval just to repair their churches, not mosques though.

There are heavier restrictions for building a church rather than a mosque.

The copts are frequently the victims of hate crimes. The police don't show up until the violence is over, and then do not prosecute the perpetrators.

People who convert to Christianity in Egypt are sometimes imprisoned for having "forged documents" stating that they converted. They sometimes do not allow people to convert from Islam to Christianity.
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loOranks
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07:58 AM on 02/21/2011
The 35 dead Copts at the hands of jihadis since December 23 2010 would surely object to your ridiculous statements.
08:03 AM on 02/18/2011
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
09:38 PM on 02/19/2011
it must be a goose? :P
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peter ricci
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07:15 AM on 02/18/2011
I seriously do not know why they do not put in their constitution a 'Separation of Church and State", it actually works for everyone, because no one persons beliefs are exactly the same as others.

I suggest 3 amendments for every country on the planet.

1. Freedom of Press and Speech
2. Everyone is treated equally under the law
3. Separation of Church and State
08:08 AM on 02/18/2011
Not possible with Islam, because it's not just religious; it's a governmental, military, economic, legal, and society form of rule.
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Paganus
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08:24 AM on 02/18/2011
Well, so is Christianity, ideologically at least - look at the Middle Ages. But the Renaissance and Enlightenment smashed Christianity's pretenses to such universal claims. I see no reason why the same process can't happen in the ME, IF the youth are deliberate about the process of secularization. If not, cultural inertia will favor religious retrenchment.
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harmlesstree
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12:35 PM on 02/18/2011
That's exactly what Christianity was/is ( in some places) from the time of Constantine in the 4th century up until the modern era within the West. Following Constantine's conversion, the mixing of Christianity with the Roman state began. And by the end of the 4th century, under the reign of the Emperor Theodosius I, Christianity had become the official Roman State cult, at the exclusion of all others. This continued, as I already wrote, into the modern era.
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tinsldr2
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09:40 AM on 02/18/2011
The problem is not so much what is in the Constitution it is whether people follow it!!

I believe freedom of Speech was actually in the Constitution of the USSR along with Freedom of Religion. Do you think the Gov in the USSR actually allowed the people to exercise those rights?

Even in periods of America the Constitution guaranteed treatment of everyone equally under the law since the 1868 (14th amendment) but for many minorities the states and federal Gov ignored that for about 100 years. Today same sex couples are still not treated equally under the law.

I LOVE the US Constitution (along with its procedures for changing it, called the Amendment process) but to many times lawmakers FROM BOTH parties ignore it, or misuse powers granted under it.

Look at Hate speech laws that limit free speech in places like Canada and Europe as examples of countries that probably have Free Speech in the Constitution but then ignore it.
05:01 AM on 02/18/2011
man, its gonna suck to be a christian (or a woman) in egypt, if the muslim brotherhood gets into power, thats for sure
10:09 AM on 02/18/2011
It would suck for sure ; not just for Christians and women, but also for atheists and gays/lesbians.
03:34 AM on 02/19/2011
oh yeah

especially for gays it'll be bad

they might as well start packing now
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MedinaM
09:51 PM on 02/18/2011
Why would it suck for Christians and women?
11:00 PM on 02/18/2011
Please don't be naive.
03:35 AM on 02/19/2011
because, the few rights they have now will be stripped

and they will either be persecuted, killed or run out of the country
03:52 AM on 02/18/2011
Here's hoping that the real, decent people can prevail in this turbulent time. Moderate Muslims are just as threatened by the likes of the Muslim Brotherhood as Christians. I only hope that the hard left can hold off promoting the Islamists. Remember Iran. Don't let Egypt go down that abyss.
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MedinaM
09:52 PM on 02/18/2011
Do you call non-extremist Christians, moderate Christians? If not, why did you just refer to non-extremist Muslims as moderate Muslims?
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
09:40 PM on 02/19/2011
Quoted from another huffpo user:
The first rule of making excuses for religion: always claim the religion and "fundament­a­lism/lit­er­alism" are somehow separate. Never offer any evidence of course, just rely on lack of critical thinking. After all if you can frame the fundamenta­ls of a religion as not part of it, then you will believe most anything.
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02:12 AM on 02/18/2011
That's cool that the Christians and Muslims get along. There's no reason why their fairytale religions should divide them.
12:25 AM on 02/18/2011
keep an eye on i srael: "The Lavon Affair refers to a failed I sraeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Je ws were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Mus lim Brotherhood,"