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Religious Voices Enter Wisconsin Union Debate

Wisconsin Religion Groups

First Posted: 02/23/11 09:49 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:35 PM ET

By Nicole Neroulias
Religion News Service

The pro-union rallies in Wisconsin have a retro feel to them -- particularly for people of faith.

Clergy and faith-based groups were historically on the front lines of the American labor movement, but priorities shifted with the rise of the religious right and the weakening of unions. In the Wisconsin protests over the governor's budget proposal to reduce collective-bargaining rights for teachers and other public-sector employees, however, religious voices have re-entered the fray.

Groups like Faith in Public Life and Interfaith Worker Justice have mobilized coalitions that include Protestants and Muslims, in addition to the Catholics and Jews that dominated pro-union efforts in previous generations. Clergy have led invocations and prayer vigils throughout Wisconsin, written letters and sent delegations to meet with Republican lawmakers. An Illinois church and synagogue even offered sanctuary to the 14 Democrat state senators who fled on Feb. 16 rather than vote on Gov. Scott Walker's bill. (None of them had turned up at the houses of worship, as of Feb. 23.)

Interfaith Worker Justice has compiled statements affirming the right to organize from more than a dozen denominations.

"We're making this a bigger issue than just the workers involved. We're making it a moral issue, and that it's more than just fighting over pensions," said Rabbi Renee Bauer, director of Interfaith Coalition for Worker Justice of South Central Wisconsin. "We're hoping that if lawmakers hear from religious leaders, it'll help them have a change of heart."

While some conservative Christians have used biblical language to oppose labor demands, the traditional role of religion is to support the rights of workers, said Thomas C. Kohler, a Boston College professor of labor law.

"Catholics and Jews have always taken the notion of work as being far more than instrumental," he said. "As the rabbis taught, God starts creation, but humans are given the gift of completing it. Work is a holy thing."

David L. Gregory, executive director of the Center for Labor and Employment Law at St. John's University, agreed, said that the blurring of lines between social and fiscal conservatives has eroded some religious support for unions.

"Anybody identified with the Judeo-Christian tradition is making a commitment to social justice dimension, but it depends on whether they're operating primarily according to their faith or according to politics," Gregory said. "Many evangelicals have increasingly been moving to the right side of the political spectrum."

The religious-labor bond began to weaken during the Vietnam War and the civil rights conflicts of the 1960s, Kohler said. Among Catholics in particular, political efforts since then have focused on abortion and other "life issues," he said.

By the time Interfaith Worker Justice formed in 1996, the ties between religion and labor had all but unraveled, said Kim Bobo, the group's founder and executive director. But as the economic downturn has taken a toll on middle-class congregations, clergy have become more aware of the need to protect fair wages and benefits. Bobo said her Chicago-based group can mobilize those sentiments into action, in Wisconsin and other states considering union-busting budget measures.

"This attack is so vicious and so wrong that we're seeing people step forward to support workers, and it has galvanized people in the religious community," she said. "It's a huge resurgence."

Yet John Huebscher, executive director of the Wisconsin Catholic Conference, said Catholic leaders have consistently maintained the church's commitment to labor and economic justice. For example, he said, in 2008, the conference published guidelines on "Dignity of Work & The
Rights of Workers."

In a Feb. 16 statement on the Wisconsin situation, Archbishop Jerome Listecki of Milwaukee upheld the "legitimate rights of workers," citing both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict as supporters of unions.

"The bishops feel it's a teachable moment, with this kind of attention on the issue, to draw attention to Catholic teachings on the rights of workers," Huebscher said. "This statement reminded everybody that the Catholic tradition says that workers have rights, and those rights don't disappear in difficult economic times."

Gregory concluded that clergy are uniquely positioned to serve as mediators between labor leaders and Republicans -- in Wisconsin and across the country.

"People have to be willing to break bread together and be willing to talk to each other, with a rational conversation," he said. "Faith leaders can play a role here."

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zwyziec
We've Peaked!
09:00 PM on 02/28/2011
Taxpayers do not want to pay the retail price for a teacher but instead want discounts.

Years ago, public school teaching was the realm of women who used it as a second family job and worked for low pay. Another large population of teachers was catholic school nuns.

I was educated by nuns for 12 years. I also graduate from a Jesuit college where all of my professors were Jesuits and like the nuns, their order paid what little they needed to live, took care of their housing and contributed to their pensions.

So I received the best education possible from teachers who were not motivated by pay scale but by their religious convictions. My physics teacher in high school, a nun, held 12 patents and had a PhD in Physics. My Jesuit science professors were the most highly educated men one can find. As a result, tuition was as low as it could be which made this type of quality education accessible to many.

Unfortunately, nuns and Jesuits are no longer teaching in anywhere near the level they were.

When men entered the teaching profession they needed their salaries, pensions and benefits to increase. Women teachers were finally able to move up along with them.

When their wages, benefits, pension and tenure were routinely challenged by politically motivated school boards, they were forced to organize into unions and accomplish a level of security through collective bargaining.

Taxpayers now want to pay teachers wholesale prices, not a living wage
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Gperky
Born with a Plan
12:40 PM on 02/27/2011
Christians should be leading the move to negotiations and discussion. We are here to help others!
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GrantS
I'm liberal through and through.
09:53 AM on 02/27/2011
Nice!! Finally, some christians who are not duped by neo-conservatism.
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07:07 AM on 02/25/2011
"People have to be willing to break bread together and be willing to talk to each other, with a rational conversation," he said. "Faith leaders can play a role here."

An interesting comment given that the Catholic Church doesn't break bread with it's parishioners; it's their way or the highway.

They still refuse to allow priests to marry, they refuse women ordination, delegate women to second class status, refuse divorce, condemn homosexuality as sin, refuse birth control, and refuse to allow abortion even to save a 9 yr old who has been raped by a father, and who's pregnancy will more likely then not cause the 9 yr old's death.

The church does not negotiate.
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MadMaddie
Saucy strawberry blonde
05:36 AM on 02/25/2011
Now now... we can't have Jebus supporting those who make $50K or less per year.
The Almighty ---the Koch Gods--- wouldn't like that.
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sonnysaggese
10:57 PM on 02/24/2011
Thank God. I've said all along that the only union needing busting is the one between Christians and Wall Street. Christian Labor Party would win every election in this country if it existed. It's the republicans worst fear, that Christians and Labor Folk spearhead the Democrats. Let it happen, just like in the original union movment. Love to see the Catholics showing that they aren't just a one trick pony when it comes to politics. Just take the side you believe in. Forget poiltics. Love it. As a Catholic I am very proud and moved by the Catholic Bishops taking a firm stand with the workers here.
04:59 PM on 02/26/2011
The Democratic Party use to have alot of religious people in it. Dems just lost them to the Repubs when they turned to special interest groups like Gays, and fought hard to remove any mention of God from our society. I find myself torn, I have many beliefs that are more in line with Dems, but I can't stomach the outright hatred from the left towards Christians. I'm amazed that the Dems are willing to let so many supporters go to the other camp (I'm talking about the working poor and lower middle class). These people need the support of Unions and Labor, but they are turned off by these anti-God Socialists.
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AdamWest1313
Hardcore Agnostic
09:43 PM on 02/27/2011
First big problem is your depiction of Democrats as Anti-God. Yes, the Nu-Atheists tend to be democratic and vehemently anti-god, but they don't represent the Democratic Party any more than the Koch brothers represent the Republican Party (Mind you, I am talking about the ENTIRE party, not Congressional Representatives). The second big problem is the fact that you actually think that Democrats are socialists. That last word had a way of taking away ALOT of legitimacy from your comment.
12:46 AM on 02/28/2011
I'm a Democrat with socialist leanings. But I'm definitely not anti-God. I'm very pro God in fact. And from reading scripture, it seems that Christ was a bit of a Socialist...whatever you do to the least of these... If someone asks for your shirt, give him your coat also... Blessed are the poor...

Honestly, where are you getting these characterizations?
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FreedToChoose
...lest my wife says I'm not.
07:00 PM on 02/24/2011
What an interesting situation. Republicans,who thump the Bible as an endorsement of their right to rule, being challenged by the religious who believe people should be free to choose. Love it!
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Bobrobert
Go God... Jesus rocks... the Spirit is very cool..
08:08 AM on 03/15/2011
Ummmmm... Say what?????
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06:39 PM on 02/24/2011
Teachers use the right to collectively bargain to hold the public hostage to their demands. As is being shown in Wisconsin, and has been shown over these many years and all across the country, teachers have the power to not only strike, but to shut down the school system until their demands are met, and they do so regularly.

That is abuse of power, and tyranny.

Teacher unions hold absolute power over the public. The public is fully dependent upon the union members to act appropriately and in the best interests of not just the union members but the taxpayer, and more importantly children and their parents. There is no balance in that relationship, and like any imbalanced relationship it is ripe for abuse. The abuses of such an inbalanced relationship are potentially monumental, and the evidence mounts daily that the monumental abuses have become a matter of course.

It is not just the hopes and dreams of children that have been destroyed, but for many it has been their lives because they were physically and/or sexually abused by teachers.

The continued severe decline of the USA educational standing in the world is further evidence of the breakdown of our public educational system. Teachers are given a life time guarantee of employment, no questions asked, no merit required other then union membership.

Where as I have to date supported their right to collectively bargain and unionize, with careful consideration, I no longer hold that point of view.
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FreedToChoose
...lest my wife says I'm not.
06:59 PM on 02/24/2011
If they were treated as human beings and paid what they are worth and provided the supplies they need to teach... would they need a union?
07:12 PM on 02/24/2011
You need to study up on history. We would not have unions if human beings were always fair to their fellow citizens.
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11:18 PM on 02/24/2011
Is it ethical, or even moral, to ask for what they refuse to give?
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LDF
That's me in the red coat
08:26 PM on 02/24/2011
The five states without teacher collective bargaining have among the lowest test scores in the nation? How does that square with the opinions in your screed?

Also . . . I have not heard that a lot of students were abused by public school teachers (I certainly have no truck with any teacher who would do such a thing). However, it seems that a heck of a lot of children were abused by pastors and priests. So, following your logic, do you want to abolish churches?
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08:30 PM on 02/24/2011
If you truly cared you would research the subject. I have once again attempted to post links to sites that discuss the issue of child pedophilia in the public educational system but so far the Huffington Post has refused to post it.

That said, check out the Public School to Prison Pipeline study by the ACLU, that is of course if you really have an interest in the subject and the future of the country.
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michael26
10:27 PM on 02/24/2011
I have read in many credible sources of abuse in all religions, perpetrated by from all walks of life. In the United States, discrimination against Catholics is acceptable. Say one word about Islamists, and one is called an Islamaphobic. Bashing Catholics is just fine. There is plenty of Catholiphobia in the U.S. I won't mention how women are treated under Islam. Wouldn't that be politcally incorrect?
04:55 PM on 02/24/2011
You mean taking someone's money to fund another's retirement is Godly?

Refusing someone a job unless they join a union is Godly?

Taking their "dues" and using it to advance an anti-Christian agenda is Godly?

Nope. Didn't take long to debunk that argument.
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moutonnoir
iconoclastic demagoguery
05:59 PM on 02/24/2011
it is their own money. they pay their own pensions. look into it.
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Jeff Rosenbury
I love all people -- in the abstract
10:47 PM on 02/24/2011
When a union elects an official who then bargains with the union to set the union's pay, I'm not sure it's fair to call the money theirs.

If I held a gun to your head and taxed you, you would rightly call it theft. If I then distributed the money to myself after negotiating with myself, I'd think I was a clever thief. I would of course be enraged if anyone objected.
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06:38 PM on 02/24/2011
Get the facts before you run around like a chicken with its head cut off., No is refused a job,but I do not know about you ,but I would pay union dues on a job that paid me 3 or4 dollars more per hour, And where did you get the notion dues are unGogly,pretty lame considering clergy and all faiths are supporting the workers, you have no argument just fruit salad mixture of what you think you know as compared to the real story
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Jeff Rosenbury
I love all people -- in the abstract
11:10 PM on 02/24/2011
Union leadership regularly spends money on pet projects that the rank and file doesn't like. It's an imperfect world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapley_value

A study of the Shapley Value shows that in a free market, collective bargaining is needed to keep workers from starving to death.

The employer and employee work together to produce a profit. The profit gets divided according to how many negotiating options each side has modified by a factorial. This leaves a miniscule share of the profit (effectively 0) for the worker. Since some workers eat more than others (or get sick or whatever) those workers will not be able to compete with less needy workers. Eventually the workers will die until there are roughly as many workers as employers.

This is crazy of course. But it demonstrates the need for some form of collective bargaining. Public sector employees get this through their elected representatives. But in the free market, some form of unions are needed.
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03:53 PM on 02/24/2011
While I read many post disparaging Fox News, at least I get to hear both sides to an argument. Not so on the Huffington Post, especially regarding this subject.

I have attempted to post a few posts with "evidence" regarding my concerns for the safety and well being of children in the public education system. So far, as has happened in the past, the mods and/or some authors of articles have refused to allow those posts to be printed even thought they violated no HP rules.
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moutonnoir
iconoclastic demagoguery
04:19 PM on 02/24/2011
vapid.
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StevenevetS
04:24 PM on 02/24/2011
I stop by Fox News sometimes just to see what they are reporting on.

The amazing thing to me is how many of the important issues are NOT being reported on by Fox.

And as for both sides of the argument... Puhleeze!
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BrotherRog
author, Kissing Fish: christianity for people who
03:14 PM on 02/24/2011
more from the United Methodist Social Creed:

All economic systems are under the judgment of God. We believe the private ownership of property is a trusteeship under God and must be responsibly managed. We support the right of employees and employers to organize for collective bargaining. We affirm the right of safe and meaningful work and creative leisure. We support efforts to ensure truth in pricing, packaging, lending, and advertising; and we urge people to evaluate their consumption of goods in the light of the quality of life. We call on Christians to abstain from gambling and to be in ministry with persons who are the victims of this societal menace.
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dadoorsron
06:32 PM on 02/24/2011
If they where truely under gods control then why would anyone need money? god would give his people enough to help them through life right? Under god Human beings where considered property at one point. Traded like cattle or sold to the highest bidder. If god has judgment over the economic system why did the U.S. suffer an economical crash? Why would god allow people to lose their houses?Didn't god see this coming?

The Economy is fueled by greed and need! The economy is orchestrated by the wealthy and their church is the stock exchange. If you don't understand that then you best go on a journey of truth!
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FreedToChoose
...lest my wife says I'm not.
07:05 PM on 02/24/2011
Nothing in there about control. Within Methodism, you are responsible for your behavior, no excuses.
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BrotherRog
author, Kissing Fish: christianity for people who
03:12 PM on 02/24/2011
from the United Methodist Book of Discipline; i.e., from their Social Creed:
¶ 163. IV. THE ECONOMIC COMMUNITY

We claim all economic systems to be under the judgment of God no less than other facets of the created order. Therefore, we recognize the responsibility of governments to develop and implement sound fiscal and monetary policies that provide for the economic life of individuals and corporate entities and that ensure full employment and adequate incomes with a minimum of inflation. We believe private and public economic enterprises are responsible for the social costs of doing business, such as employment and environmental pollution, and that they should be held accountable for these costs. We support measures that would reduce the concentration of wealth in the hands of a few. We further support efforts to revise tax structures and to eliminate governmental support programs that now benefit the wealthy at the expense of other persons.
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FreedToChoose
...lest my wife says I'm not.
07:21 PM on 02/24/2011
Your reference is The Book of Discipline/The Economic Community. The Social Creed is found at #163 on the web at http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?mid=1836

It is too long to post here, but includes the following:

"We commit ourselves to the rights of men, women, children, youth, young adults, the aging, and people with disabilities; to improvement of the quality of life; and to the rights and dignity of racial, ethnic, and religious minorities."

BTW the Book of Discipline is revised every four years. The above quote is from the 2000 text. It may have changed in 2004 and/or 2008.
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aqueryan
Neo-gnostic, radical centrist
03:10 PM on 02/24/2011
"While some conservative Christians have [GROSSLY MIS]used biblical language to oppose labor demands, the traditional role of religion is to support the rights of workers."

Doublethink - it's not just for English class anymore. ;)
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02:04 PM on 02/24/2011
"some conservative Christians have used biblical language to oppose labor demands"

What would Jesus do?
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Buying USA Feeds USA, Supports/Preserves USA
03:03 PM on 02/24/2011
Jesus would not support pedophiles. The current public educational system in America does. He would not support the abuse of children. Denying children a safe appropriate education in a safe environment is abuse.

Jesus would not support the sex-slave industry, nor would Jesus support those who do.

Jesus would not support a Public School to Prison Pipeline: see ACLU report.
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Auldskul
allergic to puppets
09:56 PM on 02/24/2011
we get it..jesus hates republicans...not news
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AdamWest1313
Hardcore Agnostic
09:53 PM on 02/27/2011
Then Jesus would be really strongly against the Catholic church. If there is a pedophilia problem, you fix the problem, not destroy the entire system.
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moutonnoir
iconoclastic demagoguery
04:20 PM on 02/24/2011
jesus loves real estate and cars.. duh.
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rgilley
Question Authority!
01:45 PM on 02/24/2011
These people of faith certainly don't represent the religious right. But its good to see religionist on the side of the people.
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03:05 PM on 02/24/2011
I would rather see them on the side of children.
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silverstreet
All you need is love
03:45 PM on 02/24/2011
Children will one day be workers. My ancestors fought for the right to collective bargaining. Now I fight. I expect that my children will also need to fight.
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06:40 PM on 02/24/2011
The right have no Christian moral codes ,everything goes.