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Libya Protests: Rebel Troops Prepare For Violent Stand-Off Against Gaddafi Forces

AP/The Huffington Post   First Posted: 02/27/11 09:38 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:35 PM ET

Libya Protests

ZAWIYA, Libya (AP) — Hundreds of armed anti-government forces backed by rebel troops who control the city closest to the capital Tripoli prepared Sunday to repel an expected offensive by forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi surrounding Zawiya.

An Associated Press reporter who reached Zawiya, 30 miles (50 kilometers) west of Tripoli, confirmed the anti-government rebels are in control of the center of the city of 200,000. They have army tanks and anti-aircraft guns mounted on pickup trucks deployed. But on the outskirts, they are surrounded by pro-Gaddafi forces, also backed by tanks and anti-aircraft guns.

There were at least six checkpoints controlled by troops loyal to Gaddafi on the road from Tripoli to Zawiya. Each checkpoint was reinforced by at least one tank, and the troops concealed their faces with scarves.

Gaddafi has launched by far the bloodiest crackdown in a wave of anti-regime uprising sweeping the Arab world. The United States, Britain and the U.N. Security Council all imposed sanctions on Libya over the weekend. And President Barack Obama said it is time for Gaddafi to go.

Zawiya, a key city close to an oil port and refineries, is the nearest population center to Tripoli to fall into the opposition hands. Police stations and government offices inside the city have been torched and anti-Gaddafi graffiti was everywhere. Many buildings are pockmarked by bullets.

"Gaddafi Out," chanted hundreds in the city center. The charred skeletons of many cars littered the city and most streets were blocked by palm tree trunks or metal barricades. "Free, Free Libya," chanted members of the anti-government forces at the city center.

"Down with Gaddafi, the mass murderer," read graffiti scrawled in the city. An effigy of Gaddafi hung from a light pole in the city's main square. On its chest the words "Execute Gaddafi" were emblazoned.

The square has now become the burial place of six of 11 rebels killed by pro-Gaddafi forces Thursday when they attacked the area to try and dislodge them. Residents reported several skirmishes between the two sides since Thursday.

"We are all wanted," said one rebel at the square who did not want to give his name for fear of reprisals. "Zawiya in our hands is a direct threat to Tripoli."

Rebels from the town and army forces who defected from the regime to join them largely consolidated control of the town on Feb. 24, after an army unit that remained loyal to Gaddafi opened fire on a mosque where residents – some armed with hunting rifles for protection – had been holding a sit-in.

Before Zawiya fell to rebel forces, Gaddafi scolded the city residents on Thursday.

"Shame on you, people of Zawiya. Control your children," he said. "They are loyal to bin Laden," he said of those involved in the uprising. "What do you have to do with bin Laden, people of Zawiya? They are exploiting young people ... I insist it is bin Laden."

On Feb. 24, local forces repelled an attempt by militiamen and pro-Gaddafi troops to take back the town.

Later, Gaddafi's son, Seif al-Islam, acknowledged to foreign journalists in Tripoli that there were "two minor problems" in Misrata and Zawiya. There, he said, "we are dealing with terrorist people," but he hoped to reach a peaceful settlement with them.

Gaddafi loyalists remain in control of nearby Tripoli, which was reported to be quiet Sunday, with most stores closed and long lines outside the few banks open for business.

City residents thronged the banks after state TV and SMS messages announced in the past few days that each family would receive 500 Libyan dinars (about $400), plus the equivalent of about $100 credit for phone service. State TV said families also will be entitled to 60,000 Libyan dinars (about $49,000) in interest-free loans to buy apartments.

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Reports the AP:

The Obama administration extended its Libya sanctions to more Gadhafi family members and close advisers on Thursday, blacklisting business with the Libyan leader's wife, four of his children and his chief of military intelligence.

The Treasury Department froze the assets of nine Libyans in all as part of the strategy to peel off Moammar Gadhafi's closest advisers while punishing those who remain loyal to the regime even as it commits human rights violations.

The sanctions come on top of those previously announced by the administration, which accounted for $32 billion in Libyan government assets blocked in the United States.

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French President Nicolas Sarkozy has called for airstrikes against Gaddafi forces if the leader attacks civilians. According to the Guardian:

Nicolas Sarkozy has called for targeted air strikes against Muammar Gaddafi's regime if his forces use chemical weapons or launch air strikes against civilians.

As the EU foreign policy chief, Lady Ashton, warned that a no-fly zone could risk civilian lives in Libya, the French president told an emergency EU summit in Brussels that air strikes may soon be justified.

"The strikes would be solely of a defensive nature if Mr Gaddafi makes use of chemical weapons or air strikes against non-violent protesters," Sarkozy said. The French president qualified his remarks by saying he had many reservations about military intervention in Libya "because Arab revolutions belong to Arabs".

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A Dutch helicopter crew taken captive in Libya has been freed and sent to Greece. The BBC is reporting:

The two men and one woman arrived in Athens on a Greek military transport plane hours after a son of Muammar Gaddafi announced their release.

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi said Libya would hold on to the crew's Lynx helicopter.

The woman pilot, Yvonne Niersman, took part in a mission last year to free a German ship from Somali pirates.

Ms Niersman and her fellow crew members were captured in Libya after flying in from the Dutch warship Tromp, anchored off the coast.

Read the entire report here.

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Senator John McCain praised Morocco's King Mohammed VI for his pledge to introduce democratic reforms. According to the AFP:

"This new reform agenda builds on the king's long-standing commitment to lead Morocco to a future of reform and modernization, and it could ensure that the Kingdom of Morocco will continue to stand as a positive example to governments across the Middle East and North Africa," said McCain.

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Reuters is reporting that Gaddafi is now offering to offer amnesty to those rebels who lay own arms.

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The AP reports:

Tunisia's Interior Ministry says a new eruption of violence between police and protesters has killed two people and injured 20.

The ministry says on its Facebook page that police fired tear gas and demonstrators threw stones and gasoline bombs.

The statement says two protesters were killed in the incident in Metlaoui, a mining town in the center of the Mediterranean country.

The violence comes as Tunisia's interim government is trying to restore stability after deadly protests that drove out longtime leader Zine El Abidine Ben Ali in January. That prompted uprisings around the Arab world.

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Berlusconi is saying that the West may have made a mistake by taking a hardline against Gaddafi, which may have backed the Libyan leader into a corner. Reports Reuters:

The hardline stance taken by major powers against Muammar Gaddafi may have backed the Libyan leader into a corner and prevented a quiet exit, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said on Friday. Speaking after a special meeting of EU leaders, Berlusconi, one of Gaddafi's closest friends in Europe until the current upheaval, said the chances of persuading him to give up power voluntarily now appeared to have disappeared.

"Once someone put forward the idea of bringing Gaddafi before the International Criminal Court, I think the idea of staying in power became entrenched with him and I don't think anyone can make him change his mind," he told reporters.

Read the entire report here.

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The AP is reporting that the rebels fighting Gaddafi forces are amateurs, but deeply committed to the cause:

Moammar Gadhafi has ruled Libya since long before the 25-year-old was born, and he hates the dictator enough to risk his life by fighting for the ragtag rebel force battling government troops along a desolate highway on the North African country's Mediterranean coast.

"I will fight forever. I will die or win, like Omar Mukhtar," said Salem, invoking the legendary Libyan hero who fought Italian occupiers in the 1930s, was ultimately executed, and has become a symbol for the new revolutionaries.

The front-line force trying to advance toward Gadhafi's stronghold in the capital Tripoli is surprisingly small. Not counting supporters who bolster them in the towns along their path, it is estimated at 1,500 at most — Libyans from all walks of life, from students and coffeeshop owners to businessmen who picked up whatever weapons they could and joined the fight. No one seems to know their full size, and they could be picking up new members all the time.

Its ramshackle nature explains the dramatic lurches the fighting has taken. Last week, they took control over a stretch of Mediterranean coastal land that included major oil installations in the ports of Brega and Ras Lanouf. They charged enthusiastically further west, reaching within a few dozen miles of Gadhafi's hometown of Sirte, a bastion of support for the leader of 41 years.

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Reports the AP:

Moammar Gadhafi's regime has gained momentum with the capture of a key city near Tripoli after days of fierce fighting with rebels.

The battle for Zawiya has emerged as a key test in the government's ability to maintain its hold on the Libyan capital and surrounding areas.

The government had claimed victory on Wednesday, but the rebels who are seeking to oust Gadhafi said fighting was ongoing.

An Associated Press reporter, who was escorted with other journalists into the city on Friday, says the main square that had been the center of resistance is clearly in government control.

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Obama noted all of the sanctions and property seizures that have already been implemented against Gaddafi, saying, "Across the board, we are tightening the noose on Gaddafi." He says that NATO is discussing potential military actions in Libya, including a no-fly zone, and will meet on Tuesday. He said that a position will be created for a liaison to speak with Libyan opposition groups. He said that the international community had moved quickly to isolate Gaddafi.

Obama said that no options have been taken off the table so far. In response to a question about whether it would ever be acceptable to the U.S. for Gaddafi to stay in power, Obama stated that "it is in the U.S.' interest and the interest of the Libyan people for Gaddafi to leave." He added, however, that when making a decision to engage militarily, he would weigh the "costs and benefits."

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President Obama will speak today on the unrest in the Middle East and North Africa. You can watch live above.

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The AP is reporting that a quarter of a million people have left Libya:

A quarter million people have fled Libya since the uprising against Moammar Gadhafi's regime began last month, officials said Friday, as they warned they are having trouble getting foreign workers home.

About 6,000 people a day are still crossing into Tunisia and Egypt, many of them Bangladeshi workers who need longer flights, said Mohammed Abdiker, the International Organization for Migration's operation director.

"If the majority continue to be Bangladeshis needing long haul charter flights to get home, the cost to repatriate them will far exceed our current resources," he said.

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Reports the AP:

Eyewitnesses say Yemeni security forces opened fire on demonstrators taking part in protests throughout Yemen in what appears to be the biggest turnout in a month of unrest to demand regime change.

In the southern port city of Aden, the witnesses say security forces shot at demonstrators trying rip down photographs of President Ali Abdullah Saleh. Six protesters were wounded, one seriously, said one medic.

Read the entire report here.

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Bill Clinton has voiced his support for a no-fly zone, a policy that has not yet been adopted by the Obama administration. According to Bloomberg:

The U.S. should support a no-fly zone over Libya to help underequipped insurgents fighting to topple well-armed and well-paid troops loyal to dictator Muammar Qaddafi, former U.S. president Bill Clinton said.

“They are not asking for ground troops, they don’t want us to get in the fight,” Clinton said of the insurgents at a conference in New York yesterday on the status of women. “Nobody wants to see an arms race in Libya, but it’s not a fair fight.”

Clinton said he was “sympathetic” to the Obama administration’s desire not to enforce a no-fly zone alone. Clinton noted that similar efforts had worked in the past, both in Bosnia and Iraq during his own presidency.

You can read the entire report here.

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Reuters reports:

@ Reuters : FLASH: Libyan rebel sources tell Reuters Gaddafi forces have withdrawn from central residential area of Ras Lanuf

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Al Jazeera reports:

And the diplomatic games continue. British prime minister David Cameron and French president Nicolas Sarkozy write to EU president Herman Van Rompuy, stating their commitment to "the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and national unity of Libya". Parts of it do seem to be a statement of intent toward further politcal - and military - action.

We welcome the formation of an Interim Transitional National Council based in Benghazi and we are engaging with the Council and its members to develop a cooperative dialogue ...

We support continued planning to be ready to provide support for all possible contingencies as the situation evolves on the basis of demonstrable need, a clear legal basis and firm regional support. This could include a no-fly zone or other options against air attacks, working with Allies and partners, especially those in the region. We are working together on elements of an appropriate UN Security Council resolution.

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@ bencnn : Anti-Qaddafi forces advising civilians leave the Al-Brega area concerned government forces will continue eastward advance. #Libya

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Further to our last update, the UK's Spectator magazine has echoed concerns that Col Gaddafi may be on the path to victory in Libya. The magazine warns:

If Gaddafi does emerge from this conflict victorious, then he will surely exact the most terrible vengeance on those parts of the country and those tribes that have risen up against him.

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Reuters reports:

U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said on Thursday that the better-equipped forces of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi will over the long term prevail.

Clapper is facing calls for his resignation as a result of his remarks. Fox reports:

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., called for Clapper to resign or be fired as Director of National Intelligence, citing his comments before the Senate Armed Services Committee this morning, on which Graham sits.

Graham told Cameron that he lacks confidence in Clapper's understanding of his job, that President Obama should "repudiate" Clapper's remarks, and that this is the third time Clapper has faltered in this way.

"Three strikes and you're out," Graham said.

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It's become unclear who's controlling the Libyan Embassy in Washington, D.C.: the ambassador, who defected from Gaddafi, or his second in command, who appears not have changed his allegiance. Foreign Policy reports:

The Libyan embassy office, which is guarded by uniformed secret service guards and armed private security, shows no indications that there has been any change in Libya whatsoever. A large picture of Qaddafi hangs on the wall in between the green regime flag and the flag of the United States. A stack of copies of Qaddafi's manifesto, known as The Green Book, sits on the table. Embassy officers file in and out, as if going about their regular business.

Eventually, an embassy staffer came past. Gracious but uncomfortable, she said that Fatih was out of the office for a few days on "personal business." Asked who was in charge of the embassy, Aujali or Fatih, she responded, "It's very confusing, even to us."

Read more here.

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The AP has this report on today's intense fighting. The rebels they spoke with said that they needed support from the international community, but so far have received "only promises."

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The AP is reporting that a witness said that Saudi forces opened fire on protesters:

Saudi police have opened fire at a rally in the kingdom's east in an apparent escalation of efforts to stop planned protests.

Government officials have warned they will take strong action if activists take to the streets after increasing calls for large protests around the oil-rich kingdom to press for democratic reforms.

A witness in the eastern city of Qatif says gunfire and stun grenades were fired at several hundred protesters marching in the city streets Thursday. The witness, speaking on condition of anonymity because he feared government reprisal, said police in the area opened fire. The witness saw at least one protester injured.

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Clinton will meet with Libyan rebel leaders. Al Jazeera English reports:

Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, is to meet with leaders of Libya's opposition council during a trip to the Middle East next week, she has told US lawmakers.

Clinton's statement of intent comes as France on Thursday became the first major European country to recognise Libya's opposition National Council based in Benghazi as the country's legitimate representative.

"We are reaching out to the opposition inside and outside of Libya," Clinton said while announcing her trip to Tunisia and Egypt.

"I will be meeting with some of those figures, both in the United States and when I travel next week, to discuss what more the United States and others can do," she said.

Read more here.

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BBC News reports:

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi confirms they have freed three Dutch soldiers seized last month during a failed attempt to evacuate two civilians by navy helicopter. "We tell them don't come back again without our permission," Col Gaddafi's son tells Reuters. "This is Libya, not Netherlands. So we release them… but we're still keeping the army helicopter."

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Al Jazeera reports:

It seems that the various homes of the Gaddafi family around the world are becoming the focus of renewed solidarity protests. Danish police have moved to block plans for a giant party at Gaddafi's US$2.6million villa near Copenhagen.

The Facebook page set up as an open invitation to the March 25 bash had received 3,700 "confirmed attendees" within days. But police in the upmarket Gentofte suburb said they would also turn up. Danish police told the AFP news agency:

"They do not have the authorisation, so they might as well stop planning it, because there won't be a party. If they try, we'll be there."

This follows news that an activist group in England calling themselves 'Topple The Tyrants' is squatting in Saif Gaddafi's luxury mansion there.

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BBC News reports

At a meeting in the Saudi Arabian capital Riyadh, six Gulf Arab states from the Gulf Co-operation Council vow in a statement to deal "decisively and immediately, without hesitation" against any threat to the security of any of the oil-rich monarchies, where calls for democratic reform have been mounting.

This comes the day after Saudi Arabia's foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, said that the ruling family will "cut off any finger" that is raised against it.

The AP reports that the wave of uprisings in the Arab world has inspired activists from Saudi Arabia's Shiite Muslim minority, who have called for a "Day of Rage" on Friday to demand the regime's ouster. The government accuses Shiites from outside the country of spurring the protests.

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@ ShababLibya : The students have now taken the green flag down and put up the independence flag at the Libyan embassy in London #Libya #Feb17

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This extended report from Al Jazeera, gives an excellent overview of the current international attitude towards establishing a no-fly zone over Libya, and then features a panel discussion with diplomatic experts.

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@ haynesdeborah : Rebels no where to be seen in centre of Zawiyah. Major clean up operation going on. Green flags everywhere

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The AP reports that Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton is to visit the Middle East next week, traveling to Egypt and Tunisia and meeting with Libyan opposition members.

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(This version CORRECTS Corrects dates and days of the week in paragrahs 11, 13. AP Video.)

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magedfoxx
12:32 AM on 02/28/2011
The United States and Libya Conduct Military Maintenance Training Seminar

http://libya.usembassy.gov/news-events/news-from-the-embassy2/the-united-states-and-libya-conduct-military-maintenance-training-seminar.html
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lolawants1117
11:27 PM on 02/27/2011
Do we really expect a guy that looks (and sometimes acts) like a comic book villain to step down without a fuss?
http://alettertothepeople.blogspot.com/2011/02/dear-mr-gadhafi.html
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magedfoxx
07:21 PM on 02/27/2011
Libyan chaos stirs global panic over oil supplies

Chaos in Libya stirs global panic over oil supplies; Uncertainty could last weeks, even months

''MADRID (AP) -- Libya's oil industry is in chaos -- and there's no telling when that will end.

Armed men loot equipment from oil field installations. British and German commandos execute secret raids in the Libyan desert to rescue stranded oil workers as security disintegrates rapidly in remote camps.

Libyan port workers, frightened of being caught up in Moammar Gadhafi's violent crackdown on protesters, fail to show up for work, leaving empty tankers floating around the Mediterranean Sea waiting to load crude.''

This pales in comparison to
the people and their lives.

I, like many, have learned I need very little to live and be happy.
There is strength and contentment in this.

However,I fear the wealthy will have a different view.....
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08:57 PM on 02/27/2011
I agree... me and my girlfriend live a very sparse life and are happy in that..we have no TV we work and live in our Loft and need very little....We don't suffer from that brain washing TV advertising and idi0tic reality shows indoctrinating that push people into wanting more McGarbage to stick in the garage...We eat organic produce from local farms we are not VULGAR as most Americans and think they are entitled to it no matter what harm its causing people or the planet....

And the wealthy see no problem in exploiting their fellow humans for all they cant get...
The whole Americas society is now geared around this gaming strategy culture of do it to others before they do it to you..Undermine your opponent so you don't have to rise by your own merit...No honor no integrity and no sense of responsibility to anything but their immediate gratification..
Thus the OIL wars and puppet regimes and world manip[ulations of a small band of pyscopaths in power..
all done in the most sneaky underhanded way possible..all the wile lying about how what and where..

The arostocracy Power structure will have no problem releasing the dogs of war on their own people to protect their interests above the welfare of the people..
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magedfoxx
09:22 PM on 02/27/2011
We are taught to be consummate consumers.

Toynbee writes:

''Toynbee argues that the breakdown of civilizations is not caused by loss of control over the environment, over the human environment, or attacks from outside. Rather, it comes from the deterioration of the "Creative Minority," which eventually ceases to be creative and degenerates into merely a "Dominant Minority" (who forces the majority to obey without meriting obedience).

First the Dominant Minority attempts to hold by force,against all right and reason,a position of inherited privilege which it has ceased to merit; and then the Proletariat repays injustice with resentment, fear with hate, and violence with violence when it executes its acts of secession. ''

Have you read ''The World and the West'', the 1952 compilation of the BBC's Reith Lectures?
ihopeyougetthis.

Toynbee was prophetic.
10:01 AM on 02/28/2011
You live and work in your loft?
 
That explains a lot.
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magedfoxx
06:40 PM on 02/27/2011
BRITISH military planes have flown into Libyan air space in a daring, secret rescue of more than 150 foreign workers as fears of a civil war ...
www.theaustralian.com.au/...libya.../story-fn7ycml4-1226012671117
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theuniversalcollective
from the ether that is net
07:29 PM on 02/27/2011
Good on the Brits
10:23 PM on 02/27/2011
From your link on SAS,
"Originally known as the Long Range Desert Group, they were formed in Egypt in 1940, but operated over a wide area of the Middle East on covert missions including Libya."

"The SAS party had sneaked into Libya in plain clothes on commercial flights on Tuesday.
They then reported to the British Embassy and picked up weapons being kept there after they had been flown in earlier in a ‘red box’, or diplomatic bag."

Remember, Britain is "occupied territory" too.

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/02/wrecking-of-north-africa.html
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Student, New Yorker, & Proud Working Class Liberal
06:33 PM on 02/27/2011
Gaddafi blames the uprising on Al-Qeada.

The similarities between him and the Republicans are uncanny.
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Stilyagi
Making a board with a bigger nail in it.
05:46 PM on 02/27/2011
"Show me a single attack, show me a single bomb," he told Amanpour, in response to the reports of violence against Libyan civilians. "

In case there was any doubt that Gadahfi's son isn't as loony as his old man, here's the proof. I'm sure that if Amanpour "rolled tape" and show a protester being shot at, he'd say no, the guy's having a spontanous heart attack in the street. When his heart gave out, he fell, hit his head on the pavement, and there's your blood.
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Stilyagi
Making a board with a bigger nail in it.
05:42 PM on 02/27/2011
"Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Joe Lieberman (I-Ct.) both criticized President Obama's response to the crisis in Libya on Sunday, saying he needs to "get tough" and enforce a no-fly zone over the country. McCain also held out the possibility of a military option Libya."

Why just a "possibilty" of a "military option"? Pretty wishy-washy speak for a self-avowed tough guy claiming to "get tough on Libya". Every day that goes by, hundreds more innocent citizens are killed. And all you can talk about is avoiding them being killed by jet plane. Which isn't even that likely. Might as well suggest the "possibility" of a "no-nukes zone" while you're at it. This way, innocent civilians might have a chance of not being "nuclearized" by WMD's. Meanwhile, they'll still be dying in the hundreds and thousands by good old fashioned bullets on the ground. And later, you can go on the chat shows and say you took a "tough stance" to protect them.
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Stilyagi
Making a board with a bigger nail in it.
05:30 PM on 02/27/2011
"The United States strongly condemns the Iranian government's blah blah blah blah blah blah yadda blah."

Oh boy, another "strongly condemns" from the U.S. Well Ahmadenijad's already tuned you out, and the mullah's weren't even listening.

" organized intimidation campaign and arrests of political figures, human rights defenders, political activists, student leaders, journalists and bloggers. The Iranian government also continues to deny its citizens access to information by jamming satellite transmissions and blocking internet sites."

China does all that and more. Ya don't "strongly condemn" them though, do ya? Hmm... that'$ $trange.

"The United States and the world will continue to bear witness to the Iranian government's blatant violation of the universal rights of its citizens and its ongoing hypocrisy. "

You said that already, how many times now? Are the Iranians supposed to care that you're watching them kill or oppress their own? Because it sure hasn't stopped them from doing so.
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magedfoxx
06:55 PM on 02/27/2011
The United States is viewed as impotent through much of the world.

The United States is also viewed as hypocritical, greedy, and untrustworthy.

The majority of people see that the US cares only for it own self interests, not the interests of its people or any people.

Travel outside the US the listen to what others say.
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FireDog
Peace lovin, Tree huggin, Progressive Lib
05:03 PM on 02/27/2011
I would love to see Gaddafi brought down. He has been one of the worst murderous dictators for decades.

It would be wonderful to see the people of Libya gain democracy and I support US assistance.

This is want we should spend our money on; not unnecessary war created by lies; or tax shelters for billionaires and the de-funding of medical procedures for needy woman.

Aid would be appropriate for the people of Libya.
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theuniversalcollective
from the ether that is net
05:11 PM on 02/27/2011
Libya is a Russian and Chinese darling, we go in there, and there will be alot more to deal with than "rebel" Libyans.
05:22 PM on 02/27/2011
Very true. we need to stay as far away from this and egypt and tunsia etc etc. Time to let it all handle it self and deal with the chips when they fall. Much easyer and heck of a lot cheaper.
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WorldEdition
Speak Truth to Power
06:18 PM on 02/27/2011
Israel has a serious interest in what Libya, China and Russia were doing, as you know. The last thing Israel wants is a democratic Libya who persues her interests.
05:26 PM on 02/27/2011
Aid it worthless it never goes to the people, wait tell we see the smoke clear, then talk about that. My wallet is tired of being picked by the rest of the world. If they are gonna pick it, at least do it for the US. Let them pick the europeans for a change.
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FireDog
Peace lovin, Tree huggin, Progressive Lib
05:40 PM on 02/27/2011
I see your point and understand your position.

I still don't see harm in aid for the right cause.

This is so frustrating to me that now after wasting all our money on two stupid wars and funding billionaires we have no more left to do anything right.

We have meddled all over the world for much less and now we should mind our own business?

Our spending has been so stupid it is just so frustrating!
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Cinnamonape
04:52 PM on 02/27/2011
Then again, Ortega wants to violate the restriction against more than two terms in office. He wants that provision of the Constitution dropped so he can run a third time. Other Sandinistas could certainly run for President, but this suggests more that Ortega wants to consolidate PERSONAL power. This has caused a split in the Sandanistas...many of whom are just as concerned as the opposition at Ortega's desires. Lot's of things have changed since the 1980's in that country...including several free elections and shifts in political power through election.
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04:54 PM on 02/27/2011
Just read there is an anti-Ortega movement growing in the country (above).
05:23 PM on 02/27/2011
Well it is not like he wasnt a dictator before, he merely wants his old job back. ;-}
04:34 PM on 02/27/2011
It is interesting to read so many ‘radicals’ ranting and raving about ‘unfettered’ capitalism who can’t provide an explanation of what unfettered capitalism is or where it is practised.
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04:39 PM on 02/27/2011
Unfettered: Citizens United passed by the SOTUS.
04:47 PM on 02/27/2011
Yeah, those Sequentially Operating Teletypewriter Universal Selectors need close watching.
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Jenna T
you can get cream for that
04:25 PM on 02/27/2011
Well, the Super Bowl is over. People are getting bored and starting to demonstrate for kicks.

What to do now ?

Hey I know...
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theuniversalcollective
from the ether that is net
04:28 PM on 02/27/2011
Orgy?
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KIVPossum
Moldova Marsupial
04:44 PM on 02/27/2011
count me in
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zelduh
Democrats: the REAL American patriots.
04:29 PM on 02/27/2011
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Jenna T
you can get cream for that
04:30 PM on 02/27/2011
Byte me.
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04:35 PM on 02/27/2011
How can i be both fans to you two.....now go to your rooms!
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pottedferne
04:18 PM on 02/27/2011
I don't know about the rest of you, but as a taxpayer I will revolt if my tax dollars are again spent on getting involved in military intervention in another country!
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04:19 PM on 02/27/2011
I have considered not paying any additional federal tax and face ....
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04:16 PM on 02/27/2011
That old saying the PEN is mighter then the sword has also a reverse effect..with a PEN the US and its handlers used a pen the create dictatorships that result in the suffering and MVRDER of countless fellow humans and with NO accountability......All these oppressive regimes are given full support by the US federal government and its controllers..And this idea that the USA has no buisness getting involved when we have been involved for decades is NONSENSE...selective involvment when we want to steal oil resorces or topal governments to install despots that play ball wihit USRAEL

The American hypocrite is only outdone with its own hubris...
04:19 PM on 02/27/2011
You do realize the the US has had nothing to do with libya until the last 6 years. Many other countries in europe are the ones who have been there. I tire of singling out the US for every problem in the world. If your going to blame countries at least have the cortesy to list them all.
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04:27 PM on 02/27/2011
My apologies......The list is a lot to post in a small paragraph....I was just addressing the top of the manipulating heap.......The far reaching manipulation of the entire globe is a known fact at this point..America bashing is just much more fun.....It deserves it so much more for its hubris...
04:19 PM on 02/27/2011
Yeah, the Arab world is full of regimes that 'play ball' with Israel.
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04:25 PM on 02/27/2011
I needed a laugh.
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04:28 PM on 02/27/2011
Vie the USA. Israels proxy.