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AP/The Huffington Post   First Posted: 02/27/11 05:41 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:35 PM ET

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Union leaders and other protesters say they plan to make a peaceful stand when police begin clearing out the state Capitol nearly two weeks after demonstrators first occupied the building.

Police have said they will arrest anyone who refuses to clear out at 4 p.m. Sunday.

Protesters have been camping out in the building since Feb. 15 to speak out against a sweeping anti-union bill put forth by Republican Gov. Scott Walker.

Capitol police have allowed the protesters to remain, but the Department of Administration says the building needs to be cleaned.

It's unclear how many protesters plan to be arrested rather than disperse, but the number could be in the hundreds. Protest leaders say they plan to cooperate fully and are urging everyone to remain calm.

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The Atlantic reports that at one town hall meeting in Wisconsin, one GOP state senator faced "loud opposition" to a proposed compromise.

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From AP:

About 50 pro-union protesters peacefully left the state Capitol late Thursday after a judge ruled they could no longer spend the night to show their opposition to Gov. Scott Walker's proposal to eliminate nearly all collective bargaining rights for public workers.

The judge also ruled the state had violated the public's free speech and assembly rights by restricting access to the building.

Full story here.

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AP reports that Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker says he will issue layoff notices to 1,500 state employees Friday if his union bill doesn't pass by then:

Walker also said in an interview with The Associated Press that he is negotiating with Democrats who stymied passage of the bill by leaving the state for changes to the proposal that would get them to return. Walker said he won't compromise on the collective bargaining issue or anything that saves the state money.

"I can't take any of that off the table," he said.

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Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports that Democratic State Senators in Wisconsin have been threatened with contempt by Republicans, if they don't return by 4 p.m. today:

Republicans in the state Senate ordered Democrats on Thursday to return to the chamber by 4 p.m. or be found in contempt of the Senate - a move that means Democrats could be taken into custody.

"We simply cannot have democracy be held hostage because the minority wants to prove a point," said Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R-Juneau).

Full story here. Take a look at the resolution below.


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HuffPost's Mark Blumenthal writes:

A new survey released this morning by the Pew Research Center is the first to provide a clear before-and-after snapshot of national attitudes toward labor unions in the wake of the ongoing protests and budget conflict in Wisconsin:

The public’s overall views of labor unions have changed little through the lengthy stalemate between Wisconsin’s governor and the state’s public employee unions over collective bargaining rights. About half (47%) say they have a favorable opinion of labor unions compared with 39% who have an unfavorable opinion. In early February, 45% expressed a favorable opinion of unions and 41% said they had an unfavorable view. However, liberal Democrats and people in union households are more likely to say they have a very favorable opinion of labor unions than they were just weeks ago.

See the Pew Research report for their complete analysis and full results by party, ideology and union membership subgroups. The Pew Center had also conducted an in-depth survey on unions in early February, just before Walker released the budget bill that sparked the protests.

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Amanda Terkel:

On Wednesday afternoon, former congressman Dave Obey -- who served from 1969 until retiring this year -- was barred from entering the Wisconsin statehouse.

“I’ve been coming to this building since 1958 and I’ve never been denied access,” Obey stated. Although he did not tell security officials who he was -- because he believed everyone should have access, regardless of title -- others did inform them.

Yesterday, a judge issued an injunction ordering the Capitol building "open...to members of the public during business hours and at times when governmental matters, such as hearings, listening sessions and court arguments are being conducted."

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Several Democratic members of the Assembly set up desks outside to meet with their constituents, arguing that people could not get to their offices.

“Governor Walker’s lockdown of the Capitol during normal business hours betrays Wisconsin’s longstanding dedication to open government and is an insult to the people of Wisconsin," said Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca (D) in a statement. "I call on Governor Walker to let the people back into the People’s House immediately.”

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The City of Madison has filed a police report charging a 23-year-old man for "disorderly conduct" after he unplugged extension cords from a Fox News vehicle. Read the full report here.

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Adding another state into the debate on public workers, West Virginia's Herald-Dispatch reports:

West Virginia's public employees would reap pay raises averaging 2 percent this year, with a second year of increases promised to teachers and school workers, under a proposal advanced Wednesday to the state Senate by the House.

But the 78-22 vote reflected GOP-led concerns that increasing state spending threatens a stable budgetary picture that has so far allowed West Virginia to avoid deficits and the painful choices they can force. Foes also contrasted the pay hikes with the state's continuing unemployment woes.

Full story here.

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More details have surfaced on Ohio's controversial SB 5, which just passed the state senate.

WSJ reports:

Senate Bill 5 would prohibit public-employee unions representing teachers, librarians, toll collectors and others from bargaining over health benefits, pensions and working conditions. Under the bill, unions could still negotiate wages, but striking would be prohibited for all public workers, taking away a major bargaining chip. Workers could face a fine of up to $1,000, or 30 days in jail, if they go on strike.

A Twitter campaign, #standupOH, has already mounted. As user @escapetochengdu tweeted, "The bill that just passed Ohio Senate allows the government to jail striking librarians for 30 days. Despicable."

Read the whole Wall Street Journal story here.

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The bill put forth by an Ohio panel earlier today has passed the state senate, TPM reports:

The Ohio State Senate just passed the controversial SB 5, aimed a limiting unionized state employees' ability to collectively bargain or go on strike.

In an indication of how divisive the legislation is in the Buckeye State, the final vote in the Senate was 17-16.

Gov. John Kasich (R) has endorsed the measure and is expected to sign it when it reaches his desk.

Full story here.

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A tourism campaign leveraging the Wisconsin senators who fled to Rockford, Illinois has gone viral. The push, "Hide Away In Rockford," hawks "collectively bargained" rates to some of the town's best tourist attractions.

“Unlike Wisconsin’s state senators, this video isn’t low key; it’s been a real runaway hit," said Rockford Area Convention & Visitors Bureau (RACVB) President/CEO John Groh of the campaign's success.

Watch the promotional video here.

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HuffPost's resident pollster Mark Blumenthal reports:

WASHINGTON -- A automated telephone poll conducted this week in Wisconsin by the Democratic-affiliated firm Public Policy Polling (PPP) largely confirms other recent polls showing public support for collective bargaining rights for unions and, by a narrow margin, more opposition than support for the agenda of Gov. Scott Walker (R). Some caution is in order, however, about several vote preference questions included in the same survey.

Despite the ongoing coverage and national interest in the controversy, all of the opinion surveys taken within Wisconsin so far have had sponsors with partisan ties, and each has taken a different approach to the questions asked. Where their questions have been similar, however, we can begin to compare the results.

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HuffPost's Amanda Terkel and Sam Stein report:

WASHINGTON -- Wisconsin's Republican state senators are attempting to commandeer the staffs of the 14 Democrats who have been camped out in nearby Illinois for nearly two weeks, the latest effort to convince their colleagues to return and move forward on Gov. Scott Walker's controversial budget repair bill.

A resolution proposed on Wednesday would allow Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R) to "assign supervision over any employee appointed by a Senator who is absent without leave for 2 or more session days." The absent senator would retain control of the office's data, however, presumably meaning that Republican senators would not be allowed to access the Democrats' electronic or paper files.

The measure is almost certain to pass, as the state Committee on Senate Organization, which has jurisdiction over such measures, is composedd of three Republicans and two Democrats. Fitzgerald's office could not be reached for comment.

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HuffPost's Sam Stein reports:

WASHINGTON -- The Wisconsin Democratic Party has launched a fundraising campaign to recall state Senate Republicans who have supported the budget bill by Gov. Scott Walker (R) that would strip collective bargaining rights from the state's public employee unions.

Read the whole story, and see the email they sent out, here.

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Reuters reports that a panel of state senators in Ohio has voted to strip unions of some collective bargaining rights as well as the right to strike:

The Senate Labor Committee vote was 7-5, with one Republican and four Democrats voting against. The measure now moves to the Republican-controlled state Senate, which could approve it as early as Wednesday.

If endorsed by the state legislature and signed by Republican Governor John Kasich, Ohio would become the biggest state so far to enact sweeping restrictions on public sector unions.

Full story here.

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Wisconsin state GOP senators voted to fine their absent colleagues $100 per day they stay away, the Wisconsin State Journal reports:

Senate Republicans stepped up their efforts Wednesday to compel the 14 Senate Democrats who fled Wisconsin two weeks ago to come home.

The Senate voted to impose a $100 per day fee for any senator who is absent without leave for two or more session days. Republicans remaining in the Senate approved the daily fine resolution with none of the Democrats present.

Full story here.

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Wisconsin State Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald spoke with CNN's Eliot Spitzer, during which Spitzer asked him if it was fair to cut both education funding and taxes for the wealthy.

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HuffPost's Sam Stein reports that $30,000 was raised online in first two hours for new PCCC/DFA ad hitting Scott Walker and Republicans in Wisconsin. By the three-hour mark, the amount had risen to $50,000.

See ad and fundraising here.

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HuffPost's Nick Wing looks at the myriad advertisements that have emerged on Wisconsin airwaves since the protests began:

Tensions between Wisconsin public employees and Republican Gov. Scott Walker have led to the beginning of an advertising war marked by a volley of commercials coming from a variety of sources.

The first salvo was launched last week by a third-party group, the Koch-backed conservative organization Americans for Prosperity. Entitled "Stand with Scott Walker," the commercial commends the governor for purportedly taking the necessary steps to address the state's budget shortfalls, actions that would force public employees to pay a larger share of their pensions and health care benefits, as well as limit collective bargaining rights of the state's unions. It also directs blame at President Obama for supposedly helping to organize the massive protests, which the ad argues don't represent the will of Wisconsin voters.

Read more and watch the commercials here.

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The Progressive Change Campaign Committee is out with a new ad in Wisconsin that features protesters in Madison describing how Gov. Scott Walker's budget will affect them. Scroll down for video, via Greg Sargent.

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More details on Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's press conference today, AP reports:

After focusing for weeks on his proposal to strip public employees of collective bargaining rights, Gov. Scott Walker on Tuesday presented his full budget – a plan that cuts $1.5 billion in aid to public schools and local government but avoids any tax or fee increases, furloughs or widespread layoffs.

Walker said the cuts could be paid for in large part by forcing government employees to pay more for their pension and health care benefits. And the governor whose cost-cutting ideas have stirred a national debate over public-sector unions gave no indication he would soften his demand to reduce their power at the negotiating table.

Full story here.

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HuffPost blogger Tom Hayes examines the situation in Wisconsin in the context of social networking:

If anyone in the world should be paying close attention to the grassroots political unrest in the Middle East, it is Big Business and Big Labor in America. The rise of self-organized groups of people toppling once-entrenched regimes is a harbinger of things to come here in the U.S. too.

For now, traditional battle lines are more immediate. In Wisconsin, Governor Scott Walker's attempt to break the public employee union there is being characterized by some as a last gasp test for Labor. It is not. The fate of big unions has already been cast. Like record stores and time-bound television, the labor union as an organizing device has outlived its usefulness: people simply don't need intermediaries to organize them into groups anymore.

Read the whole post here.

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Wisconsin state representative Michelle Litjens (R), who was allegedly told she was "f---ing dead" by fellow representative Gordon Hintz for voting in favor of the budget bill, discussed the scuffle with Laura Ingraham on her radio show. (Hintz has since apologized for his "outburst," and Litjens says she accepts the apology.)

LISTEN (via Mediaite):

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Governor Walker just asserted his budget repair bill will save the state $1.5 billion. He says if the senate Democrats come home, local governments will gain $150 million in additional revenues.

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Governor Walker is calling for Wisconsinites to come together to "make tough decisions," asking for a commitment to the "future" so "our children don't face even more dire consequences." He asserts that his budget bill will make Wisconsin work for the people again.

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Scott Walker has just said the "people of Wisconsin" are his most important priority, to applause. He asks his constituents to be "mindful of differences" in opinion, and applauds the state assembly for "not losing sight" of their goals and passing the budget bill.

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Governor Scott Walker is currently holding a press conference to discuss his proposed cuts to the state budget. Updates to come. Watch live video here.

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Wisconsin TV producer Jen Ayers just tweeted:

Snipers on the roof of buildings near the capitol... wowsers.

More to come...

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Democrats have raised the possibility of pushing a recall campaign against Republican state senators in Wisconsin who vote to strip the collective bargaining rights of public employees. On the other side, Republicans have talked about recalling some of the Democratic senators who left the state.

Now on the liberal blog DailyKos, Chris Bowers writes that Democrats who strike a compromise to take away collective bargaining rights should also expect to face progressive heat:

If this bill passes with the provisions stripping collective bargaining rights, then anyone who votes for it should expect to face a broadly based recall effort that we will support here at Daily Kos. Further, the Democratic senators who break first and let collective bargaining rights be stripped by returning to the state should not necessarily consider themselves exempt from such a campaign. This is an existential fight for workers' rights, and as such it must be fought with every legal means available.

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The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that Brewers infielder Craig Counsell supports the efforts of Wisconsin's union workers.

He said in a statement:

“As a Major League baseball player for the Milwaukee Brewers who works in Wisconsin under a union contract and whose right to bargain collectively is guaranteed under federal law, I support the thousands of public sector employees who are threatened with the loss of that right under recently-proposed state legislation. These employees are real people with real families whose livelihoods, careers and futures are being jeopardized. I urge the government of Wisconsin not to take away this most basic of union and human rights.”

More here.

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Brenda Gertsch
07:44 PM on 03/02/2011
Hell no I won't go!!!!!!!
12:43 PM on 03/02/2011
I thought protesting like this was racist? Oh wait, it's liberals, so suddenly again protesting is patriotic.
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12:23 PM on 03/02/2011
why no coverage of Hintz verbal assault on Litjens? If a republican male had ever spoken to a democratic female like this he would have been forced to resign by now. What gives?

http://www.htrnews.com/article/20110301/MAN0101/303020035/1358&located=rss
02:44 AM on 03/02/2011
Conservatives preach they are about people keeping their $$$. They are not alone in this sentiment...demonizing "liberals" as some sort of leeches seems like spin to twist the legitimate concerns of conservative minded people into an adversarial stance against the wrong enemy. The divisiveness of the media must be overcome. The people of this country have been screwed out of the prosperity of the last 30 years. Hardworking citizens deserve a share. Too few have sucked the resources dry. Companies should be paying the workers and the government what is due, and there should be no tolerance for moochers riding the safety nets intended for legitimately disabled citizens.

Both sides, "conservative" and "liberal" (those terms are artificially divisive, and do not convey the actuality of American opinions), basically feel too much is being taken from them with too little being given in return. Liberals cite the owners of private industry for screwing them out of a share, and Conservatives cite the government for taking too much tax and spreading it around carelessly to the wrong people. Everyone knows Business and Politics share the same bed, why is there not more unity on the issue? Why are Americans attacking each other when it is evident that the people are not the ones who caused the current economic woes?
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ghee99
Opposed to Prez. DroneKiller
07:33 PM on 03/01/2011
wow

whats wrong with these people?

i mean, they are just hanging out somewhere they have been asked to leave

and yet they stay, 

the government officials have work to do, and they are obviously in the way

(plus, we have all seen the videos by now, they are in the statehouse, playing drums, smokingPot, and jelling, and making a mess, so its not like you can work around them)

and the officials/police have been more than accommodating, in that they have let them stay there a few weeks

but, hey people, i am sure your noise has reached maximum annoyance levels,  and (lets face it) you smell bad by now

time to go home, where ever that may be

and get out the way

you started out as tolerable, but now you have become pests

why the police allowed this much nonsense, i have no idea

but the sooner they clear you out, the better
barrada nicto
Optimism is necessary.
11:23 PM on 03/01/2011
You really don't have a clue, do you.
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drini
daughter of houdini
01:24 AM on 03/02/2011
since when did the business of gov't take place in the statehouse common areas? paid for by the taxpayer? i thought they voted and decided all their important business behind closed doors? so how are the demonstrators disrupting anything except the logistics of getting inside and behind their closed doors?
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ghee99
Opposed to Prez. DroneKiller
03:52 AM on 03/02/2011
you cant just move into a public building

i mean, hey, i'd love to just camp out for a few weeks in the whitehouse, or in the US senate

but, whether or not they're taxpayer funded buildings or not, i cant just move in and live there for weeks on end

same goes for the wisconsin statehouse

its not a free hotel for misguided liberals after all
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sixchair
Always left, usually right
09:47 AM on 03/01/2011
Will Wisconsin be a reliable rebuplithug supporter in 2012?
barrada nicto
Optimism is necessary.
02:31 AM on 03/01/2011
The real question: Will conservatives be successful in their takeover of America and destruction of her democracy?
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markie G
...all 6's, 7's + 9's
02:33 AM on 03/01/2011
whaddaya mean, WILL they be?

hey, gort--have you not paid ANY attention since 2001?
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ghee99
Opposed to Prez. DroneKiller
07:34 PM on 03/01/2011
thats a misformed question, based on a faulty premise

as such, there really in no accurate way to answer it

sorry,

try again though
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Drmhp
01:15 AM on 03/01/2011
Watching the death of America and the middle class is a painful process we have to go through. Life WILL NEVER be the same for this country. There is no more money and not a single cause of this collapse is going to jail for it. We just have to deal with it.
barrada nicto
Optimism is necessary.
11:20 AM on 03/01/2011
There is plenty of money. It's just in the wrong hands. Hoarded by the rich who neither earned nor deserve it.
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12:16 PM on 03/01/2011
To be fair, some people really do work for that money. It isn't all inheritance. And some of them may have even gotten it honestly. But, as the gap between the rich and the rest of us grows increasingly wider - we do need to ask ourselves what kind of society we want to be. Feudalism was kinda rubbish, going back to it doesn't seem like such a great idea.
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10:46 PM on 02/28/2011
All I can say is; Power to the People!! I know it's cold out there, but we're with you. I don't know why all these trollies are here or what's going on with HP, but you have millions of us behind you!
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seeksthetruth
FAUX News: Junk food for your brain
07:51 PM on 03/02/2011
The trollies are paid to be here. They work for Freedom Works and other right-wing organizations.
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09:20 PM on 03/02/2011
I have suspected that is so. Amazing how they try to take over EVERYTHING, isn't it? Do you know that for sure? I mean it sure appears that way, but I was wondering if there was proof somewhere. F/F, BTW.
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10:26 PM on 03/02/2011
I also wonder if they are paid according to the negative responses they get. IOW, the more negative responses they get, the more they get paid.
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desert bloom
09:49 PM on 02/28/2011
This room sure got quiet. Please don't disapoint me libs. This is your chance to explain your pro tax ideology.
barrada nicto
Optimism is necessary.
11:30 PM on 02/28/2011
Nobody's pro tax. What kind of nutty people you talking to?
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markie G
...all 6's, 7's + 9's
02:34 AM on 03/01/2011
i'm pro tax---wanna give it a go?
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06:56 AM on 03/01/2011
Render unto Caesar...Jesus was a tax and spend liberal.
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markscoular
Living Life In The Real World
01:39 PM on 03/01/2011
Not a problem..I'm a top 2% income earner, pay may taxes, contribute to charity and support my community. I have over 1,000 employees and I help with their healthcare costs while respecting their rights to bargain as a group. They employees have a 401K plan and profit sharing when things are good.

Taxes are required to maintain the safety and progress of our our country. I'm not sue where you live however I assume you use roads, sewers, schools, police protection, fire protection, emergency response teams and other services. Taxes pay for those.

Don't take me wrong, taxes that support outsized and over generous pension plans could be a problem however they need to be gauged against industry. Taxes on the top 10% should help build our nation through programs for the less fortunate.

Our country was built on integrity, empathy and charity. Somewhere along the line we have returned to the days where special interests are allowed to strip mine our economy and enslave the poor while leaving the wreckage behind for future generations. A classic example is the Charles Koch editorail in todays Wall Street Journal. Embarrassing an pathetic at at worst, the signs of a person that believes the rich should be allowed to do anything to anyone without paying taxes.

You can't package greatness on a bumper sticker.

Thanks for asking
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heathery2010
11:17 PM on 03/01/2011
Very well said. I F&F with great respect.
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Todd Crickmore
12:44 PM on 03/03/2011
I concur. It's a pity there aren't more people in your position. Would you consider cloning? :-)
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eternalscorpio1
just your average workin' man
09:45 PM on 02/28/2011
Walker is a mentally deficient teabagger, who is exposing himself and his movement for the extremists that they are, and is single handedly reviving the democratic party before 2012, thanks governor numbnuts.........
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desert bloom
09:40 PM on 02/28/2011
I'm still waiting for a brave liberal to engage in the question below. Come on, don't be affraid.
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10:06 PM on 02/28/2011
two mutually exclusive terms...brave and liberal
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desert bloom
09:28 PM on 02/28/2011
Why is it that liberals act as if they have superior intellect and every time I ask the question: why it is a good idea to raise taxes on a corporatio­n when unemployme­nt is so high. It's as if everyone leaves the room. Honestly, I have never been able to get a a thoughtful, reasonable answer to this.
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drini
daughter of houdini
10:48 PM on 02/28/2011
here you go pumpkin: cuz if you have a budget shortfall and a corporation ISN'T paying taxes but is enjoying record profits, who has more of the ability to pay?

the little guy with his barely subsistance wage after ALL his taxes or the corporation that IS outsourcing jobs overseas, thereby making the shortfall even greater?'

it's not like anyone WANTS the corporation's profits.....people want jobs so that they can contribute, but it's the very same corporation that disengaged the individual's ability to pay his fair share.....it's like chasing your tail and as long as it continues, it is only going to get worse, especially for those who CAUSED it.
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markie G
...all 6's, 7's + 9's
02:29 AM on 03/01/2011
here's another for you, desert---it's not like corporations ACTUALLY pay taxes---go here>>>>

http://current.com/news/93013658_study-says-most-corporations-pay-no-u-s-income-taxes.htm

where it says that 72% of all foreign, and 57% of all U-S corps paid no tax for at least one year between 1998 and 2005

in addition to that, cenk uygar of msnbc cited a study today that showed that 87 of the top 100 U-S corps paid NO income tax last year---87 out of 100---that's 87% for you arithmetically impaired out there---and one of those corps, bank of america (our favorite bailout recipient) actually was given $1.4 billion in tax BENEFITS

so THAT'S why its a good idea to raise (or even collect just ANY AT ALL) taxes on corporations

anything else on your mind?
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hrpmap
Retired man still active..
09:11 PM on 02/28/2011
My state refused to give a major well know sporting goods manufacturer a five year tax break to come to our state. Our neighboring state said we will, so they got the 400 jobs and the workers who would earn a wage and become taxpayers. That was 18 years ago, the state next door has had 400 taxpayers for those 18 years, and the property taxes utility taxes for 13 years, we lost they gained. 400 more taxpayers for them 0 for us.
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maybealittlecommonsense
kick it root down
09:13 PM on 02/28/2011
This has to be confusing for libs.
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hrpmap
Retired man still active..
09:24 PM on 02/28/2011
The fact that business creates taxpayers seems to be above their thinking level.
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desert bloom
09:30 PM on 02/28/2011
They pull people down instead of lifting themselves up. I think it's that simple. While I really get irritated by them, I feel sorry for them because they live with jealousy and hate.
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drini
daughter of houdini
11:16 PM on 02/28/2011
did i just wander into the crickets chirping comedy hour? LOL.....you people are so deluded that you are talking to yourselves about utter nonsense. show me a business that has created a taxpayer recently.....other than the GM bailout which boehner said could NEVER succeed. crickets from him too.
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desert bloom
09:10 PM on 02/28/2011
These union members’ are the type of people who would have never survived the great depression. They don't understand hard times and hard work. No pride in these people.
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heathery2010
11:24 PM on 03/01/2011
My grandfather lived in the great depression and was a trade union organizer. As an immigrant, struggling to raise a family of five on a small income he new about suffering. He understood about hard times. He was a very proud, hard working man who successfully raised his children and saw them go on to actively contribute to their world.