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Bill Gates: Education Budget Cuts Don't Have To Hurt Learning

Bill Gates Education Budget Cuts

KEVIN FREKING   02/28/11 05:59 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Even in the midst of large spending cuts, Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates said Monday that schools can improve the performance of students if they put more emphasis on rewarding excellent teaching and less emphasis on paying teachers based on seniority and graduate degrees.

Gates spoke to the nation's governors mindful of the severe financial woes that many of them face as they try to bridge deficits totaling about $125 billion in the coming fiscal year. He said there are some clear do's and don'ts. Among the do's: Lift caps on class sizes and get more students in front of the very best teachers. Those teachers would get paid more with the savings generated from having fewer personnel overall.

"There are people in the field who think class size is the only thing," Gates said in an interview with The Associated Press prior to his speech. "But in fact, the dominant factor is having a great teacher in front of the classroom."

Among his recommendations on what not to do, Gates told governors that they should not use furloughs to reduce costs because it's only a temporary fix that leaves compensation demands intact for future years. Nor should they put more dollars into compensating teachers based on the advanced degrees they've obtained and their years of service as a teacher. He said the ideal scenario would be to classify teachers and to compensate them based on how well their students learned.

Gates is recognized as one of the wealthiest people in the world with assets valued at $54 billion. He still serves as the chairman of Microsoft's board of directors, but much of his time and considerable resources are devoted to improving the health of people in developing countries and to improving student performance in the United States. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is working with school districts in six states on changing how teachers are evaluated. The evaluations include student surveys as well as video cameras that reinforce for teachers the most modern communication techniques.

Gates said the systems currently used to evaluate teachers too often rate the vast majority at the top. The problem with that system is that "the great teachers stayed great, but the average teachers remained average," he said.

In speaking to the governors, Gates noted that the number of teachers and support personnel has increased from about 40 adults per 1,000 students in 1960 to about 125 adults per 1,000 students today. His point was that states have made costly changes that have not led to higher student achievement. High school scores in math and reading have been flat since the 1970s.

Gov. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island pointed out that some of the increase in personnel has been required by the courts as states have taken on a much greater role in educating students with special needs. He recalled visiting a classroom of eight children with disabilities and noted that there were three teachers for those students.

"So there's our costs," Chafee said.

Gates said that educating special needs students is an important factor in increasing costs, but he also said it accounted for only about 15 percent of the increase.

North Carolina Gov. Bev Perdue said while expanding class sizes sounds easy, she wondered what the effect on students would be if a bad teacher were asked to take on five or six more children.

"There's nothing worse than having a bad teacher, and that's why our key priority is the evaluation system," said Gates, who stressed that teachers must have a major role in creating that evaluation system.

Gates was asked in an interview to weigh in on events taking place in Wisconsin, where workers belonging to unions, many of them teachers, are protesting efforts that would hurt their ability to negotiate labor contracts. In particular, would it be easier to improve schools if unions had less say in how resources are spent?

"We're not involved in those issues at all. No system is going to work unless teachers like it," Gates said.

He also noted that unions have partnered with his foundation in the school districts where they are trying to change how teachers are evaluated.

Gates said the United States is still a worldwide leader in many aspects of its educational system, noting that its top universities are viewed as the best in the world. But there are too many areas where the system fails.

"The place where you really see the inequity is the inner city," he said.

Gates also said he's still confident about the economic future of the United States, even as other countries have gained or moved ahead on key measures of learning. He said the country will benefit from the innovation that takes place in those countries, even as they buy airplanes, software and pharmaceutical drugs from the United States.

"It's a win-win type thing" Gates told the Associated Press.

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06:40 AM on 03/06/2011
Bill is really undermining the American education system.

He says class size isn't everything. This is true. But when you have over 40 students, it becomes unmanageable. Teaching a university class is a heck of a lot different than teaching a bunch of kids who don't want to be in class.

And complaining about too many teachers for a class with disabled students!?!? Many students that I have seen in my school need constant one-on-one assistance. Bill has apparently read too many reports and done no teaching.

The one place that could be cut is administration.
05:19 PM on 03/06/2011
Just the FACTS here --- Elite Oligarchy frontman LINCOLN CHAFEE most definitely and
quite obviously DIDN'T see three "teachers" working with a special ed. classroom of severely disabled students! What LINCOLN CHAFEE actually saw (if he wasn't shortsighted, incurious, intellectually impaired & blindly ignorant) was that there was a special ed. classroom with
ONE credentialed teacher & two paraprofessional assistants (teacher aides).

These severely disabled students cannot & should not be left alone unsupervised
for even a few seconds ---
and they often need individual supervision & direct care ----- including
intensive behavior management, in some cases treatment interventions
for medical-related conditions, ensuring safety, and even students
needing assistance going to the bathroom, assistance with eating, help with mobility, etc.

GET REAL and be aware of FACTS !!!

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10:15 PM on 03/05/2011
BILL GATES
& his elite cronies' duplicitous,
grotesquely irresponsible and HYPOCRISY
is astounding !

Where is the "accountability" for...
> the CIA and other corrupt
govt. & Wall Street-affiliated players
involved with international drug smuggling
for decades (!)
-- deliberately inundating
communities & specific neighborhoods with heroin,
cocaine, meth, pills (MDMA/ecstacy), etc.
It is a documented fact that the CIA
& corrupt elements of the U.S. govt.
& freemasons have been involved in large-scale
heroin distribution operations and also
involved in the deliberately induced
crack cocaine epidemic targeting black neighborhoods
(for the purposes of social undermining & political-economic control).

Where is the "accountability" for...
> The 'entertainment' industry
flooding our youth with heinously toxic,
cognitively poisonous VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES
and GANGSTER-THUG GLORIFYING music/videos
that promote
crime, substance abuse, disgusting conduct,
mistreatment & violence against women,
anti-educational achievement,
anti-positive values, anti-professional careers,
anti-healthy, responsible behaviors !

Where is the "accountability" for
self-proclaimed edu-profiteer BILL GATES & MICROSOFT
in producing & promoting VIOLENT, PATHOLOGICAL VIDEO GAMES, including
first-person shooter games,
such as HALO !!!??? --
which, unfortunately, too many of our country's
children, our country's students heinously waste
too much time messing around with,
messing themselves up with --
instead of healthfully, smartly & beneficially using that time for... productive experiences, studying, exploring/learning, participating in sports, teamwork, creative arts music,
outdoor activities & nature, significant time with friends & family,
engaging in community service !!

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10:14 PM on 03/05/2011
Where is the accountability for... VIACOM
& other media corporations
(eg. instead of the "BET" channel being utilized
for positive, inspirational, educational
or meaningful programming --
it has mostly
broadcast the worst sociopathic, demeaning,
undermining junk -- promoting
gangsterism & exploiting our vulnerable youth
with pernicious mind-killing crap).

FACT! --
Where is the "accountability" for Wall Street
& elite financiers,
such as MERRILL LYNCH and OPPENHEIMER,
previously the MAIN INVESTORS & SHAREHOLDERS
owning majority stock in the company
that produced the 'GRAND THEFT AUTO' video game
as its main product !!!

Also, what about the corporate soda-pop
& junk food pushers targeting children ?!

The reality is that ethical, caring, dedicated
public school teachers have been the
'good samaritans' courageously
teaching with tremendous effort daily
to educate & constructively help chidren --
to transcend, overcome hardship,
to cultivate wellbeing & achievement --
despite the grotesque obstacles
& destruction foisted on us by
irresponsible, unscrupulous, rapacious and
duplicitous corporate execs. & financial elites,
(societally-sabotaging/damaging,
corrupt oligarchs, such as Goldman Sachs,
J.P.Morgan/Rothschild scamsters et. al.
who've caused millions of children & families to be homeless.

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09:09 PM on 03/05/2011
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quite obviously have a corporate policy of FASCIST CENSORSHIP

This merged corporation is producing an electronic DISINFORMATION rag --
rather than an informative resource.

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the history of AOL Corporation
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01:45 PM on 03/03/2011
I really loathe Gates...I have heard him downgrade American Tech workers to Congress when he wanted H1B workers...never got over that...like most he thinks he knows what it is to teach...he does not.
01:10 PM on 03/03/2011
I agree with some of Mr. Gates comments. However, the fact is years of research by behaviorist, cognitive theorist and others have gone into the educational systems we value in America. Parents should pay careful attention to what politicians and others are saying about reforming public education. The quality of your children’s learning is in jeopardy! Politicians and others need a history review!

In the past week, I sent e-mails to governors and mayors in New York, Michigan, Georgia, and California offering ideas for to be considered in reforming public education. No responses yet; they say they want feedback; well who’s listening? I’m not selling anything; I’m retired! Because you’ve attended school to get diplomas and degrees, doesn’t mean you understand the science of education and leaning.

I believe that's why government spends 80% of their time trying to fix 20% of the problems stemming from past tampering with things not understood; that's plain and simply incompetence! It's not an indictment against anyone, it’s how we've doing business in this country for decades. And we wonder why nothing is working as it should. There's a process related to change!

See we’re in Dire Need of Education Reform. http://ideasforparents.blogspot.com/
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12:22 PM on 03/03/2011
The problem is and has always been :

What are Reliable Metrics for evaluating Teacher Performance ?

Is it Improvement in test Scores.....?
# of Years on the Job ?

The problem here is the many external factors influence student performance...
o socioEconomic
o parent participation
o individual student affinity towards learning
o teacher's personality blend with the students in classrooms.

Thinking back when I was a K-12 student....
my enthusiasm in a particular class we based on a lot of external factors...
that just can't be measured reliably 

In one class, it was because the teacher was HOTTTTTT !
In one middle school science class everyone was enthusiastic because the teacher was Shaft-like Cool ! The girls thought he was Sexy and the boys in the class wanted grow up to be him.
In another class , the teacher was no doubt Brilliant.... but she had an overBite that made it difficult for her to close her mouth....and she was MEAN..... class was not that crazy about her.

So How do you actually Grade-A-Teacher ?
Test Scores Alone are not it .
01:42 PM on 03/03/2011
Your decide critical competencies for teachers; revise job descriptions; and hire the best teachers and hold them accountable for demonstrating their competence. http://ideasforparents.blogspot.com/
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RightKickFoot
03:01 PM on 03/03/2011
I still don't think it's that simple as refining Job Descriptions....

Sometimes the students don't mesh with even the most Hard Working Teacher.
Sometimes the students don't mesh well with Each Other ( and that makes a lot of difference )

Sometimes it's just simple stupid stuff... like I remember that when I was a kid...
Teacher's figured out that boys in the class were much more agitated the day after The Green Hornet was on TV the night before.... because we would be Karate Chopping and beating the crap out of each other the following day.

I guess my point is.. how do were factor and adjust for External Issues when measuring Teacher Competence and Performance .. when there are so many other things going on that they have no control over.
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11:49 AM on 03/03/2011
Really Bill? When schools that I teach in don't have enough textbooks, classroom supplies (almost zero), etc. what do you expect is going to happen to education? No textbook, whether physical or eBook, hurts students big time. Too bad the stupid politicians don't see this. How about stop blaming teachers for every wrong in public education. Do you not think that the bloody administrators are the ones to blame? Oh.. But not in America, 'eh?
01:43 PM on 03/03/2011
That is so true! Checkout: We're in Dire Need of Education Reform http://ideasforparents.blogspot.com/
09:43 AM on 03/03/2011
Sorry, Bill, I love your work, but you are totally misinformed on this one.
12:53 AM on 03/03/2011
Let's give Bill Gates a classroom of 40 kids and he can knock himself out.
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01:40 PM on 03/03/2011
Amen...I wish all of these people with their brilliant ideals on educating the youth walked in an educators shoes for a month first.

I went on a field trip with my daughter's K5 class and a child on the bus told me his mom's boyfriend went to jail for tearing up his mom's house and that he hit is mom the night before. I didn't know what to say but I'm sorry. This was on a 4hr trip! How do teachers deal with these things all year long and try to teach?

I loved my teachers and I love the teachers who are now teaching my children. Gates is nuts if he thinks all schools contain all the tools to do their jobs effectively.
02:02 PM on 03/03/2011
Checkout: We're in Dire Need of Education Reform http://ide­asforparen­ts.blogspo­t.com/
11:00 PM on 03/02/2011
I wonder if Gates thinks he could strengthen Microsoft by enlarging workload and paying an average teacher salary. If you have the aptitude to teach and are good at Math and Science you would be a fool to teach school. Median High School teacher's salary (Half above and half below) $43,000. Technical Trainer median salary $59,956. If you are good at Math and Science there are a whole array of jobs in industry that are high paying. Gates should address how you would recruit skilled personnel for a position that is denigrated by the public, is the scapegoat for budget issues, and pays like crap. I know lets increase the size of the classroom. To any college person majoring in Education, I say change that major today.
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11:52 AM on 03/03/2011
Median salary... F*** I am so tired of hearing that (no offense to you).

What we should be looking at is BEGINNING TEACHER salaries - what really maters IMO.

My state pays the following:

Bachelor's degree - $30,000
Master's degree - $30,002
Ph.D. - $30,006

See a problem here?
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11:54 AM on 03/03/2011
That should be "matters." :/
02:03 PM on 03/03/2011
Here are some ideas: We're in Dire Need of Education Reform http://ide­asforparen­ts.blogspo­t.com/
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08:41 PM on 03/02/2011
The real problem with value added is this:

There are teachers who add tremendous value and once that is uncovered there will be little rational to NOT pay them very high salaries.

And the problem with that is that taxpayers will REFUSE.

And that will lead to even further arguments about the fair way to pay teachers from public funds.

Right now unions are plundering taxpayers.

Well, when a skilled teacher show phenomenal value added and taxpayers refuse to pay him or her, then the taxpayers will be plundering that teacher.

It is inevitable.

The debate about education reform has only one real outcome: The consultants make huge amounts of money, and children, parents, and teachers lose.
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08:37 PM on 03/02/2011
Hard cold facts.

There are SOME teachers with the kind of degrees that are CRITICALLY needed in the high school. Specifically, math, science, and all AP classes.

There is a serious adverse selection problem in public or private education. Working, wage, and benefit conditions are NOT good enough for the scarce talent. They are overly generous for those with trivial degrees who teach trivial subjects. We all know what those are.

What is going on in WI and Ohio has one definite impact. It will CHASE AWAY the critical talent schools need.

Let it happen. Now that the conservatives have made their bed, let them lie in it.

There will be plenty of voters ready and willing to hold them ACCOUNTABLE.

And they will not bring baseball bats. They will bring their votes.
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