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Obama's Embrace Of Health Care Opt-Out Could Shift Legal, Public-Relations Debates

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First Posted: 02/28/11 03:45 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:35 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- White House officials insisted on Monday that President Barack Obama's embrace of a provision that would give states the right to opt out of his health care law three years earlier then is currently allowed was a function of policy preferences and not due to ongoing legal drama.

Behind the scenes, however, defenders of the legislation quickly began an aggressive push to see if the new provision, which moves the opt-out date from 2017 to 2014, could alter the balance of arguments taking place both in the courts and the realm of public opinion.

"This is the first major bipartisan reform effort that has won the president's support since the law was passed," Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), who cosponsored the opt-out amendment with Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.), noted in an interview with The Huffington Post. "I think this is an opportunity to dramatically change the debate about health reform."

Rather than spending what he described as "a huge amount" of effort and taxpayer money to roll back the bill, Wyden said, the compromise measure could make design of an alternative to the federal system seem more promising to officials at the state level.

The Oregon Democrat declined to speculate on how an expedited opt-out date might change the legal argument around the bill. "I'm a lawyer in name only," he said. But his staff has put in a request with the Congressional Research Service's legal department to get its take.

At issue is the constitutionality of the individual mandate, which forces almost all U.S. citizens to purchase health insurance or face a financial penalty. Congress' capacity to legislate such a measure has been contested as far back as the bill's crafting. On Monday, administration officials insisted that merely allowing states to scrap the provision -- provided they meet minimal standards -- in 2014 rather than 2017 did little to change their argument that Congress has such authority under the commerce clause.

"This doesn't really change anything in terms of what is being challenged in court," one senior administration official. "The only impact maybe one could point to is that it really does emphasize that states really do have flexibility to design these programs in ways that best meets the needs of their citizens and the makeup of their state."

In a conference call organized for consumer advocates earlier in the day to explain the Obama's policy proposal, White House officials made much the same case. Simply moving the opt-out date to 2014 doesn't change the fundamentals of their legal argument. But constitutional scholars and health care advocates, when looking closely at the issue, said the White House made its lift in the case a bit lighter.

"This puts the burden back on the states as to whether they want to have the mandate apply or not," said Tim Jost, a law professor at Washington and Lee University who specializes in health care law. "This gives them more flexibility and it at least detracts some from their argument."

In particular, Jost and others stressed, states would have a tougher time asserting "standing" in court should the opt-out date be moved up three years. Already, a case was dismissed in a U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Mississippi on grounds that the plaintiffs could not prove that the law was currently causing them harm. The judge in that case, Keith Starret, cited the far-off date of the individual mandate's implementation, 2014, as well as various waivers that groups and individuals could utilize to exempt themselves from the mandate, as reasons not to offer a ruling. An advanced opt-out date should, theoretically, offer judges greater pause when deciding whether to rule on the law.

"The courts who have accepted that there is standing have more or less articulated that the present existence of a federal law is enough ... They would still be doing that," said Ian Millhiser, a policy analyst for the Obama-allied Center for American Progress. "That said, the states themselves, the Virginia case and the various states in the Florida case already have a very weak standing claim... and given that, it is quite possible that courts would point to [a 2014 opt-out date] as another factor undermining their standing."

Standing, however, is only a provisional ruling. Eventually, the law will be at such a stage of implementation that no court can say that plaintiffs aren't yet affected, and that day will likely come before the state opt-out clause is in effect, even if Obama persuades Congress to move it from 2017 to 2014. But as the administration continues to argue that the president's health care law is not a dramatic power grab by the federal government, it will have another arrow in the quiver.

"I don't think the debate over the individual mandate really gets affected by this," said Doug Kendall, founder and president of the Constitutional Accountability Center, a progressive think tank and law firm. "What does are cases like in Florida, which was brought by the 26 attorney generals who do much more than challenge the individual mandate. They call this bill an assault on federalism and a violation of the federal structure."

Kendall's organization represented state officials arguing the reverse, "That the law builds in a great deal of flexibility to the states and is a good example of constitutional federalism at its best," he said.

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09:10 AM on 03/07/2011
if the Huffington Post were run like Obama Care, this would cost a lot more, we'd get a lot less, and this post would not appear for two weeks.\\

from a San Diego public relations guy
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hswanson2
Could you work if farmers didn't
07:43 PM on 03/01/2011
I always thought Healthcare reform was designed to break the system (at least that is what I hoped) now I am even more sure of it. Sometimes I think I don't give Obama enough credit though maybe now I am giving him too much. The individual mandate was a joke because the fine level was not enough to induce compliance others have pointed out to me that the fine rate for insurance companies was not enough to induce compliance either. I think this is one of these wait and see things because the laws of unintended consequences is bound to take over.
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Marie Russell-Barker
Grandmother, Greatgrandmother.
11:51 AM on 03/01/2011
To The Governors who want to opt-out of the new health care bill.

It's all up to you Governors, now you can put on your thinking caps and get at it. You will soon find that you can not allow people to use the ER as their primary health care providers at the expense of those who pay for their insurance, someone will have to pay for their medical care will it be your states? Or will you pass it own to the Insurance Companies who will pay for it by raising prices on their customers which will it be Governors?

These people that don't want to get Health Insurance are not going to stay healthy all ways, what are they going to wait until they get really sick to purchase insurance? Remember precondition while you are writing your new insurance rules, you can not forget that one because by then those who do not want Insurance will need it. It is time to stop playing politic with people lives and lively hood it is not that you give a damn about those people that want to opt-out of the program, it about you and your political views you are against this President and any thing that you can do to discredit him is on the table, be careful that you don't remove your nose to spite your face.
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TheIndependentView
What the hell are YOU looking at?
10:25 AM on 03/01/2011
Obama's healthcare plan was originally THE REPUBLICAN plan.

Republicans now oppose their own plan and want it repealed.
Democrats now fight to keep this (Republican)plan in place.
Examples in irony?


The best ideas for OUR PEOPLE are single payer or public option.
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LucieLee
Stand up and be counted...
10:19 AM on 03/01/2011
If states do the "opt-out" does this mean they can opt out of being part of this health care law altogether?? If so, I who is living presumably in one of those states will no doubt have the right to sue, under the equal protection clause, as I don't subscribe to the ideological reasoning behind the lawsuit emanating in state of Florida, I should not be denied what other people around the country are receiving simply because my residence is here. I did not have a say in any of this because I am not radical Right-wingnut. This has got nothing to so with "elections have consequences", this is ideological extremism, ideology run amok!!
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collinda
1ProudVet
12:28 PM on 03/01/2011
GOP is now in a rhetorical box. This Barbour comment says it all :The GOP will now have to support state's ability to "opt out" of Obama care and into a health care system their own choosing. This is the worse reform of all for health insurers, who now have a right to sue states who vote for another system. Checkmate!
10:07 AM on 03/01/2011
Health Care Reform Still Going. Who knew that this would still be an issue today? There is still plenty sentiment regarding this issue. www.matterofopinion.com
09:46 AM on 03/01/2011
According to the Washington Post, an aide to Wyden said that "Oregon, Vermont and Massachusetts - which developed its own health exchange before the federal law was enacted - are the only states that have said they will pursue a waiver."

Well, what does that tell you? All three are liberal blue states. Vermont in particular is downright socialist (see: Bernie Sanders), and has a serious, governor-backed push going on for single payer. Conservatives aren't interested in these waivers because they require them to meet the same standards as the federal bill in terms of coverage, and conservative Republicans would rather just have the poor die in overcrowded emergency rooms. Hell, they're trying to gut Medicaid as we speak!

I was against the Obamacare bill because of the individual mandate to buy insurance from private companies, which puts an extra burden each month on people who have low and/or unstable incomes. I would like to see either single payer or a plan that mandates all insurance companies to be non-profit and mandates very low standard rates across the board, as in France, Germany and Japan. I am hopeful that Vermont will lead the way to real healthcare justice in America.
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IR0N TIGER
Who benefits from our inability to communicate?
10:11 AM on 03/01/2011
Interesting... I was just thinking that I'm not entirely sure I get this opt out, Thanks for the insight.

fanned.
09:34 AM on 03/01/2011
Again and again and again Obama caves! He is going to help gut his most important domestic achievement. I wish there was a viable alternative in 2012.
09:56 AM on 03/01/2011
Are you really that stupid?...Really?...he is calling the bluff of every repub governor that want to cause problems with the new healthcare law. All he is saying is if you don't like what I've done then come up with something better and it better do as much or more than the new healthcare law. This IS a door to single payer for some states....it will also prove who's side the repubs are on.
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ObamaRican
Easier to curse the dark than look for light!
10:51 AM on 03/01/2011
Well, reading some of excelart's posts shows no stupidity. There is some impatience with the glacial progress of these proposals but the posts are lib in nature. Your explanation, aside from the jab, should help allay concerns. It's a slow and grueling chess game. That's why I prefer "Hold 'Em":-)#13
thekid360
Black, Union and Proud, Booyah
03:58 AM on 03/01/2011
There are success stories coming out of this bill already. Yes there probably will be more tinkering around the edge. You cannot expect this bill to be something everyone agrees on. We do have over 300 million people who actually take pride in being able to think for themselves. And that's a good thing. Anything is better than the present system where rates go astronomical with no rhyme or reason. This country spends 100's of billion each year (private and public) , yet over 40 million have no coverage. Workers take wage freezes, and pay up to $500 per month to provide health care for themselves and their families. People are denied care because of preexisting conditions. At present in Arizona we have a Governor who at best be described as a death panel CEO. I could go for days ,however that is not what needed at this time.If you do not fix health care , nothing will be fixed , nada, zip, zero. The only winners in this game are insurance companies,drug makers and TV stations making a killing off of suggesting you go to your doctor and ask for permission to take new drugs. In 20 years we will have old men taking Viagra and forgetting why they took them. So give the President a break, at least he is trying. So lets tone it down a little and go to work on making this the country Barack talked about, not blue or red, just America.
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ObamaRican
Easier to curse the dark than look for light!
11:03 AM on 03/01/2011
X2.#61
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KeepLeft
This is not my self.
11:27 AM on 03/01/2011
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ALiberalKidd
Before U Fan Know, Liberal ON Poor, Peace, Race
01:16 AM on 03/01/2011
Mr. Obama stands solidly for nothing, so he will fall for anything. President Obama caved on the public option but insisted that all Americans needed to purchase health insurance in order for young and healthy Americans to contribute to the overall funding of the new heath care plan. However, now it appears that Mr Obama is ready to cave on the individual mandate. But with no public option, there should never have been an individual mandate or even a new heath care bill.
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soyyosisoy
CEO and Janitor.
01:19 AM on 03/01/2011
Remember, this bill should not even be called Obamacare, since he handed Pelosi and Reid the keys and had them basically put it together with the insurance companies and other special interest groups. The man has NO COJONES to lead.
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02:26 AM on 03/01/2011
Your right , someone who uses the word 'Obamacare" is desperate for attention and it says more about them than it does about Obama or HCR.

Oh' please use some common sense.

You wouldn't have a clue about what our Health Care System was all about if not for HCR.

You would just have the same old same old with Republicans in the WH.
I'm curious do you honestly think the Republicans wouldn't have put theirs together with Corporations, Insurance Companies and special interests? It can't be done.

Millions have already benefited, what benefits that are in place now are not
necessary in your opinion?

He's got Republicans so confused they don't know what to do next. Continue
the floor show that they put on for you these past 7 weeks or take another week
off, or write a jobs bill or, or, or...
01:25 AM on 03/01/2011
In case you haven't been following, this not only revives the public option at the state level, it goes as far as introducing single payer. checkmate.
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soyyosisoy
CEO and Janitor.
01:37 AM on 03/01/2011
Three card monte?
ALiberalKidd
Before U Fan Know, Liberal ON Poor, Peace, Race
01:38 AM on 03/01/2011
"revives the public option at the state level, it goes as far as introducin­g single payer"--??????
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Voltaire911
Beware of the Kabuki Dance of Opposition
01:10 AM on 03/01/2011
The regulations imposed by Obamacare are pushing the health care industry to collapse. Currently, starting in 2014 employers can pay $2500 per year and opt out providing health insurance. Employees paying $40 per month today will be faced with paying hundreds of dollars per month to purchase their own insurance. They in turn will opt out of health care and pay $250 per year penalty. Since insurance companies cannot deny coverage, young workers will not buy insurance until they are sick then they will enroll and the insurance company will have to pay. There will be no profit left, insurance companies will lose money and they will go out of business. Obamacare has put tremendous unpaid mandates on the industry. Businesses can no longer plan for the future. Obama changes his position every week. The nightmare has begun.
01:11 AM on 03/01/2011
Health care providers jacked up the costs way way before the reform law was passed. ..... How do *you* propose that we provide health care to all Americans?
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LegendOfTheBrave
The truth is my sword, and facts are my shield
01:18 AM on 03/01/2011
Obamacare won't provide health care for all Americans.
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Voltaire911
Beware of the Kabuki Dance of Opposition
01:19 AM on 03/01/2011
To reduce costs you must improve health. To improve health you must remove all barriers to access to health care especially costs. National health care system paid for with value added tax. The government should mandate a single health care software system like the VA. Right now billions are being wasted on expensive, archaic, non-interoperable, proprietary EMR software systems. Reporting between health care providers, insurance companies and the government is wasting precious health care dollars. Every dollar in the industry is paid for by patients, yet patients have no say in anything the industry does. Employer-based health insurance is a disaster. Privacy of of patient medical information is a myth. I haven't time or space to describe the disaster that is American health care system. Obamacare is a political shell game. We have been hustled
oilfield
large employer per obamacare
01:39 AM on 03/01/2011
yes it has....we got a letter today clarifying a position from bcbs...... 5m limit on speech therapy...you can take your kid to speech therapy for 10 years straight.....all policies will go up with no limits on all things.
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LegendOfTheBrave
The truth is my sword, and facts are my shield
01:04 AM on 03/01/2011
This does NOTHING to address the individual mandate. The individual mandate is what most people disagree with anyway. 2012 can't get here soon enough so we can vote these folks out.
01:10 AM on 03/01/2011
How do you propose to provide health care to all Americans? (I know your answer, but I want you to share with the rest of the class.)
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LegendOfTheBrave
The truth is my sword, and facts are my shield
01:16 AM on 03/01/2011
You won't find a single instance where "risk pooling" is mentioned in our Constitution. Pay your own way, and stop looking for a handout.
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02:56 AM on 03/01/2011
Yeah, that's a good reason to vote out the Dem's because of a mandate, something that doesn't take effect until 2014 if it is still around by then.

PO, Single Payer or Medicare for all, one of them is just around the corner.
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Voltaire911
Beware of the Kabuki Dance of Opposition
01:02 AM on 03/01/2011
Does anyone even know what is left of Obamacare? Obama is a hustler.
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LegendOfTheBrave
The truth is my sword, and facts are my shield
01:06 AM on 03/01/2011
Wasteful spending and a pile of shiiit.
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01:08 AM on 03/01/2011
The simple fact that your asking the question tells us just how much you know about HCR.
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Voltaire911
Beware of the Kabuki Dance of Opposition
01:12 AM on 03/01/2011
I have worked in the health care IT industry for the last ten years, Miller Time.
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LegendOfTheBrave
The truth is my sword, and facts are my shield
01:13 AM on 03/01/2011
None of us know anything about health care reform since Obamacare does nothing to reform health care. We know all we need to know about Obamacare.
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SilentSolidarity
So what do you need? Besides a miracle.
12:56 AM on 03/01/2011
Vermont is already writing on how the single payer system should work. They already passed the bill and have support from all three branches and Senator Sanders. Let those who have a system that covers more people for LESS opt-out.

But only if it provides more affordable and superior care. No laissez faire BS.
oilfield
large employer per obamacare
01:41 AM on 03/01/2011
i think we should experiment in ca....
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PCMartin
Bullish on cat food and refrigerator boxes
12:53 AM on 03/01/2011
Cynical Comment: One thing's for sure: if the state opt-out goes through, governors and state legislators will get a taste of that sweet, sweet Big Health campaign money and those sweet, sweet Big Health revolving-door jobs. Why should the feds get all the gravy?

Constructive Comment: The next important step, at the federal level, is to pre-authorize interstate healthcare system compacts, so that states may, if they wish to, operate common, shared healthcare systems, or components thereof (e.g., professional licensing, bulk purchasing, negotiating and setting prices), without the need for additional federal approval. This will be particularly important for states with small populations -- Wyoming, Vermont, Alaska, the Dakotas, etc. -- which, individually, do not have much market power compared to vendors (e.g., pharmaceutical and medical device manufacturers), whose fixed administration costs will be much greater in relation to the population served, and who may not even have a full array of medical services and specialties available in-state. This federalism-induced complexity could be avoided if Congress would simply pass HR 676, "Improved and Enhanced Medicare For All" to establish a *national* single-payer system, but in the meantime we should permit voluntary interstate coordination or mergers in order to reap more cost savings.