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Obama Declares Gaddafi Must Leave

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First Posted: 03/03/11 04:51 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:35 PM ET

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama insisted Thursday that Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi "step down from power and leave," his most explicit statement of support for rebels challenging Gaddafi's four-decade rule in a region convulsed by uprisings against authoritarian regimes. Gaddafi has vowed to stay.

Obama did not rule out establishing a "no-fly" zone over Libya, a move that his Pentagon chief said a day earlier would amount to an act of war because it would require bombing Libya's air defenses. Although Obama said he was considering a full range of options, he emphasized the U.S. role in helping refugees and heading off a humanitarian crisis.

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"Let me just be very unambiguous about this. Col. Gaddafi needs to step down from power and leave," Obama said at a White House news conference with Mexican President Felipe Calderon.

Obama announced that U.S. military aircraft would play a humanitarian role by helping Egyptians who had fled the chaos in Libya and become stranded in Tunisia. The planes are to fly them from Tunisia back to Egypt. The Pentagon has ordered two Navy warships into the Mediterranean, but Obama did not discuss the possibility of specific military actions such as providing air cover for rebels.

U.S. aircraft could leave as early as Friday for the first mission to help Egyptians in Tunisia return home, senior defense officials said. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because plans have not been officially announced.

Obama offered his most extensive remarks on the Libya crisis on a day when rebels strengthened their hold on the strategic oil installation at Brega after repelling an attempt by Gaddafi loyalists to retake it. Obama said his main focus was on limiting civilian deaths, while acknowledging his fear that the crisis could devolve into deadlock.

" There is a danger of a stalemate that over time could be bloody," he said. "That is something that we are obviously considering." He raised the possibility of Gaddafi hunkering down in the capital of Tripoli while his people suffer food shortages. Obama said the U.S. and its partners would have to consider how to get food in.

Obama also appeared to suggest that Gaddafi loyalists switch sides in support of the revolutionaries.

"Those around him have to understand that violence that they perpetrate against innocent civilians will be monitored and they will be held accountable for it," Obama said. "And so to the extent that they are making calculations in their own minds about which way history is moving, they should know history is moving against Col. Gaddafi."

The U.S. administration has been tempering tough talk on Libya with a dose of reality, explaining that even a no-fly zone to control the skies over the country would require a military attack. Two leading senators on defense matters responded Thursday by urging a strong U.S. stance aiding Gaddafi's opposition.

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Associated Press writers Matthew Lee, Robert Burns, Donna Cassata and Pauline Jelinek in Washington and Gregory Katz in London contributed to this report.

Reports the AP:

The Obama administration extended its Libya sanctions to more Gadhafi family members and close advisers on Thursday, blacklisting business with the Libyan leader's wife, four of his children and his chief of military intelligence.

The Treasury Department froze the assets of nine Libyans in all as part of the strategy to peel off Moammar Gadhafi's closest advisers while punishing those who remain loyal to the regime even as it commits human rights violations.

The sanctions come on top of those previously announced by the administration, which accounted for $32 billion in Libyan government assets blocked in the United States.

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French President Nicolas Sarkozy has called for airstrikes against Gaddafi forces if the leader attacks civilians. According to the Guardian:

Nicolas Sarkozy has called for targeted air strikes against Muammar Gaddafi's regime if his forces use chemical weapons or launch air strikes against civilians.

As the EU foreign policy chief, Lady Ashton, warned that a no-fly zone could risk civilian lives in Libya, the French president told an emergency EU summit in Brussels that air strikes may soon be justified.

"The strikes would be solely of a defensive nature if Mr Gaddafi makes use of chemical weapons or air strikes against non-violent protesters," Sarkozy said. The French president qualified his remarks by saying he had many reservations about military intervention in Libya "because Arab revolutions belong to Arabs".

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A Dutch helicopter crew taken captive in Libya has been freed and sent to Greece. The BBC is reporting:

The two men and one woman arrived in Athens on a Greek military transport plane hours after a son of Muammar Gaddafi announced their release.

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi said Libya would hold on to the crew's Lynx helicopter.

The woman pilot, Yvonne Niersman, took part in a mission last year to free a German ship from Somali pirates.

Ms Niersman and her fellow crew members were captured in Libya after flying in from the Dutch warship Tromp, anchored off the coast.

Read the entire report here.

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Senator John McCain praised Morocco's King Mohammed VI for his pledge to introduce democratic reforms. According to the AFP:

"This new reform agenda builds on the king's long-standing commitment to lead Morocco to a future of reform and modernization, and it could ensure that the Kingdom of Morocco will continue to stand as a positive example to governments across the Middle East and North Africa," said McCain.

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Reuters is reporting that Gaddafi is now offering to offer amnesty to those rebels who lay own arms.

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The AP reports:

Tunisia's Interior Ministry says a new eruption of violence between police and protesters has killed two people and injured 20.

The ministry says on its Facebook page that police fired tear gas and demonstrators threw stones and gasoline bombs.

The statement says two protesters were killed in the incident in Metlaoui, a mining town in the center of the Mediterranean country.

The violence comes as Tunisia's interim government is trying to restore stability after deadly protests that drove out longtime leader Zine El Abidine Ben Ali in January. That prompted uprisings around the Arab world.

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Berlusconi is saying that the West may have made a mistake by taking a hardline against Gaddafi, which may have backed the Libyan leader into a corner. Reports Reuters:

The hardline stance taken by major powers against Muammar Gaddafi may have backed the Libyan leader into a corner and prevented a quiet exit, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said on Friday. Speaking after a special meeting of EU leaders, Berlusconi, one of Gaddafi's closest friends in Europe until the current upheaval, said the chances of persuading him to give up power voluntarily now appeared to have disappeared.

"Once someone put forward the idea of bringing Gaddafi before the International Criminal Court, I think the idea of staying in power became entrenched with him and I don't think anyone can make him change his mind," he told reporters.

Read the entire report here.

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The AP is reporting that the rebels fighting Gaddafi forces are amateurs, but deeply committed to the cause:

Moammar Gadhafi has ruled Libya since long before the 25-year-old was born, and he hates the dictator enough to risk his life by fighting for the ragtag rebel force battling government troops along a desolate highway on the North African country's Mediterranean coast.

"I will fight forever. I will die or win, like Omar Mukhtar," said Salem, invoking the legendary Libyan hero who fought Italian occupiers in the 1930s, was ultimately executed, and has become a symbol for the new revolutionaries.

The front-line force trying to advance toward Gadhafi's stronghold in the capital Tripoli is surprisingly small. Not counting supporters who bolster them in the towns along their path, it is estimated at 1,500 at most — Libyans from all walks of life, from students and coffeeshop owners to businessmen who picked up whatever weapons they could and joined the fight. No one seems to know their full size, and they could be picking up new members all the time.

Its ramshackle nature explains the dramatic lurches the fighting has taken. Last week, they took control over a stretch of Mediterranean coastal land that included major oil installations in the ports of Brega and Ras Lanouf. They charged enthusiastically further west, reaching within a few dozen miles of Gadhafi's hometown of Sirte, a bastion of support for the leader of 41 years.

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Reports the AP:

Moammar Gadhafi's regime has gained momentum with the capture of a key city near Tripoli after days of fierce fighting with rebels.

The battle for Zawiya has emerged as a key test in the government's ability to maintain its hold on the Libyan capital and surrounding areas.

The government had claimed victory on Wednesday, but the rebels who are seeking to oust Gadhafi said fighting was ongoing.

An Associated Press reporter, who was escorted with other journalists into the city on Friday, says the main square that had been the center of resistance is clearly in government control.

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Obama noted all of the sanctions and property seizures that have already been implemented against Gaddafi, saying, "Across the board, we are tightening the noose on Gaddafi." He says that NATO is discussing potential military actions in Libya, including a no-fly zone, and will meet on Tuesday. He said that a position will be created for a liaison to speak with Libyan opposition groups. He said that the international community had moved quickly to isolate Gaddafi.

Obama said that no options have been taken off the table so far. In response to a question about whether it would ever be acceptable to the U.S. for Gaddafi to stay in power, Obama stated that "it is in the U.S.' interest and the interest of the Libyan people for Gaddafi to leave." He added, however, that when making a decision to engage militarily, he would weigh the "costs and benefits."

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President Obama will speak today on the unrest in the Middle East and North Africa. You can watch live above.

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The AP is reporting that a quarter of a million people have left Libya:

A quarter million people have fled Libya since the uprising against Moammar Gadhafi's regime began last month, officials said Friday, as they warned they are having trouble getting foreign workers home.

About 6,000 people a day are still crossing into Tunisia and Egypt, many of them Bangladeshi workers who need longer flights, said Mohammed Abdiker, the International Organization for Migration's operation director.

"If the majority continue to be Bangladeshis needing long haul charter flights to get home, the cost to repatriate them will far exceed our current resources," he said.

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Reports the AP:

Eyewitnesses say Yemeni security forces opened fire on demonstrators taking part in protests throughout Yemen in what appears to be the biggest turnout in a month of unrest to demand regime change.

In the southern port city of Aden, the witnesses say security forces shot at demonstrators trying rip down photographs of President Ali Abdullah Saleh. Six protesters were wounded, one seriously, said one medic.

Read the entire report here.

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Bill Clinton has voiced his support for a no-fly zone, a policy that has not yet been adopted by the Obama administration. According to Bloomberg:

The U.S. should support a no-fly zone over Libya to help underequipped insurgents fighting to topple well-armed and well-paid troops loyal to dictator Muammar Qaddafi, former U.S. president Bill Clinton said.

“They are not asking for ground troops, they don’t want us to get in the fight,” Clinton said of the insurgents at a conference in New York yesterday on the status of women. “Nobody wants to see an arms race in Libya, but it’s not a fair fight.”

Clinton said he was “sympathetic” to the Obama administration’s desire not to enforce a no-fly zone alone. Clinton noted that similar efforts had worked in the past, both in Bosnia and Iraq during his own presidency.

You can read the entire report here.

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Reuters reports:

@ Reuters : FLASH: Libyan rebel sources tell Reuters Gaddafi forces have withdrawn from central residential area of Ras Lanuf

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Al Jazeera reports:

And the diplomatic games continue. British prime minister David Cameron and French president Nicolas Sarkozy write to EU president Herman Van Rompuy, stating their commitment to "the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and national unity of Libya". Parts of it do seem to be a statement of intent toward further politcal - and military - action.

We welcome the formation of an Interim Transitional National Council based in Benghazi and we are engaging with the Council and its members to develop a cooperative dialogue ...

We support continued planning to be ready to provide support for all possible contingencies as the situation evolves on the basis of demonstrable need, a clear legal basis and firm regional support. This could include a no-fly zone or other options against air attacks, working with Allies and partners, especially those in the region. We are working together on elements of an appropriate UN Security Council resolution.

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@ bencnn : Anti-Qaddafi forces advising civilians leave the Al-Brega area concerned government forces will continue eastward advance. #Libya

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Further to our last update, the UK's Spectator magazine has echoed concerns that Col Gaddafi may be on the path to victory in Libya. The magazine warns:

If Gaddafi does emerge from this conflict victorious, then he will surely exact the most terrible vengeance on those parts of the country and those tribes that have risen up against him.

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Reuters reports:

U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said on Thursday that the better-equipped forces of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi will over the long term prevail.

Clapper is facing calls for his resignation as a result of his remarks. Fox reports:

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., called for Clapper to resign or be fired as Director of National Intelligence, citing his comments before the Senate Armed Services Committee this morning, on which Graham sits.

Graham told Cameron that he lacks confidence in Clapper's understanding of his job, that President Obama should "repudiate" Clapper's remarks, and that this is the third time Clapper has faltered in this way.

"Three strikes and you're out," Graham said.

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It's become unclear who's controlling the Libyan Embassy in Washington, D.C.: the ambassador, who defected from Gaddafi, or his second in command, who appears not have changed his allegiance. Foreign Policy reports:

The Libyan embassy office, which is guarded by uniformed secret service guards and armed private security, shows no indications that there has been any change in Libya whatsoever. A large picture of Qaddafi hangs on the wall in between the green regime flag and the flag of the United States. A stack of copies of Qaddafi's manifesto, known as The Green Book, sits on the table. Embassy officers file in and out, as if going about their regular business.

Eventually, an embassy staffer came past. Gracious but uncomfortable, she said that Fatih was out of the office for a few days on "personal business." Asked who was in charge of the embassy, Aujali or Fatih, she responded, "It's very confusing, even to us."

Read more here.

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The AP has this report on today's intense fighting. The rebels they spoke with said that they needed support from the international community, but so far have received "only promises."

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The AP is reporting that a witness said that Saudi forces opened fire on protesters:

Saudi police have opened fire at a rally in the kingdom's east in an apparent escalation of efforts to stop planned protests.

Government officials have warned they will take strong action if activists take to the streets after increasing calls for large protests around the oil-rich kingdom to press for democratic reforms.

A witness in the eastern city of Qatif says gunfire and stun grenades were fired at several hundred protesters marching in the city streets Thursday. The witness, speaking on condition of anonymity because he feared government reprisal, said police in the area opened fire. The witness saw at least one protester injured.

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Clinton will meet with Libyan rebel leaders. Al Jazeera English reports:

Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, is to meet with leaders of Libya's opposition council during a trip to the Middle East next week, she has told US lawmakers.

Clinton's statement of intent comes as France on Thursday became the first major European country to recognise Libya's opposition National Council based in Benghazi as the country's legitimate representative.

"We are reaching out to the opposition inside and outside of Libya," Clinton said while announcing her trip to Tunisia and Egypt.

"I will be meeting with some of those figures, both in the United States and when I travel next week, to discuss what more the United States and others can do," she said.

Read more here.

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BBC News reports:

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi confirms they have freed three Dutch soldiers seized last month during a failed attempt to evacuate two civilians by navy helicopter. "We tell them don't come back again without our permission," Col Gaddafi's son tells Reuters. "This is Libya, not Netherlands. So we release them… but we're still keeping the army helicopter."

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Al Jazeera reports:

It seems that the various homes of the Gaddafi family around the world are becoming the focus of renewed solidarity protests. Danish police have moved to block plans for a giant party at Gaddafi's US$2.6million villa near Copenhagen.

The Facebook page set up as an open invitation to the March 25 bash had received 3,700 "confirmed attendees" within days. But police in the upmarket Gentofte suburb said they would also turn up. Danish police told the AFP news agency:

"They do not have the authorisation, so they might as well stop planning it, because there won't be a party. If they try, we'll be there."

This follows news that an activist group in England calling themselves 'Topple The Tyrants' is squatting in Saif Gaddafi's luxury mansion there.

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BBC News reports

At a meeting in the Saudi Arabian capital Riyadh, six Gulf Arab states from the Gulf Co-operation Council vow in a statement to deal "decisively and immediately, without hesitation" against any threat to the security of any of the oil-rich monarchies, where calls for democratic reform have been mounting.

This comes the day after Saudi Arabia's foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, said that the ruling family will "cut off any finger" that is raised against it.

The AP reports that the wave of uprisings in the Arab world has inspired activists from Saudi Arabia's Shiite Muslim minority, who have called for a "Day of Rage" on Friday to demand the regime's ouster. The government accuses Shiites from outside the country of spurring the protests.

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@ ShababLibya : The students have now taken the green flag down and put up the independence flag at the Libyan embassy in London #Libya #Feb17

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This extended report from Al Jazeera, gives an excellent overview of the current international attitude towards establishing a no-fly zone over Libya, and then features a panel discussion with diplomatic experts.

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@ haynesdeborah : Rebels no where to be seen in centre of Zawiyah. Major clean up operation going on. Green flags everywhere

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The AP reports that Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton is to visit the Middle East next week, traveling to Egypt and Tunisia and meeting with Libyan opposition members.

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Stilyagi
Making a board with a bigger nail in it.
03:44 PM on 03/04/2011
Senior senators John McCain and Joe Lieberman have released a statement Echoing President Obama's call for Col Gaddafi to step down. They say: "The United States must not be passive at this critical moment in history. From Bosnia to Rwanda, we know that the international community has in the past been too slow to react to situations like the one unfolding in Libya - with awful and unspeakable costs in human life."

Guess what, boys? It's happening AGAIN. Gadaffi has no plans of going anywhere, and the U.S. has been about as passive about changing that as it could get. All these predictions about how close to finished Gadaffi is... and yet the reality on the ground, is a stalemate. With the rebel forces losing momentum, and barely able to guard what they've already gained. As the people are headed for starvation of the masses. Which is probably what Gadaffi has already planned for.
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
09:17 AM on 03/04/2011
Peter Bouckaert's report from Brega states rebel forces have heavy artillery. I think he meant man or truck portable mortars. Kadhafi's light truck mounted forces are in big trouble if the rebels have genuine heavy artillery and know how to use it.

So where is Kadhafi's army? The tanks, the APCs, the stuff you would expect him to commit if he really wanted to retake Brega? Probably garrisoning Tripoli. Watching each other nervously (on orders from the Colonel). I can imagine the spy satellites and drones are busy these days. Perhaps a few of the old Black Birds are being pulled out of mothballs again.
08:42 AM on 03/04/2011
How can the international criminal court charge these leaders kept in power by America while Bush and Blair remain free?
08:35 AM on 03/04/2011
He should leave, and you with him
lastpost
see biography
08:10 AM on 03/04/2011
“Obama did not rule out establishing a "no-fly" zone over Libya, a move that his Pentagon chief said a day earlier would amount to an act of war because it would require bombing Libya's air defenses”.
Couldn’t aircraft be prevented from entering Libyan airspace, through use of external means? AWACs might direct interceptor jets in, to divert suspect flights away from the country. So that mercenary reinforcements and arms could not be delivered. In addition, UN troops, equipped with shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles, could be sent to act as security guards in sensitive areas. Under orders, to only bring down aircraft posing a danger to life and limb of those on the ground.

“a dose of reality”
Is there no envoy available? Who is willing to put their life on the line, by going in and taking with Muammar. Inviting him, if necessary, to journey out. To inspect those peaceful streets, filled with contented supporters, for himself. Since, according to him, there is patently no risk whatsoever to his person.
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
08:50 AM on 03/04/2011
A no fly zone is simply an area in which aircraft are not permitted to fly. Means of enforcement are open ended. Gates has chosen to define no fly zone in terms of a specific operational style (take out the air defenses etc.) which would be hard to implement quickly. This is a straw man to bolster his primary concern: declaring a no fly zone over a nation is an act of war. Acts of war are messy. They should be implemented only when the payoff is large.

Libya's air force is not a major factor in this conflict. Most of it is old, obsolete and in storage. Defection is a major problem for Kadhafi every time an airplane leaves the runway. Libya's air force being used for infrequent and ineffective nuisance raids.

As to air transport, providing Kadhafi with a rapid, safe and comfortable means of exit is a good thing. His regime collapses when he leaves. The CIA might want to pay for his ticket, first class. The Spartans never pursued a fleeing enemy from the battlefield. They wanted every foe to know there was an easy way out. The Spartans knew a thing or two about making war.

Patience isn't sexy, but right now the rebellion seems to be doing well. Let's not mess up the trend.
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06:46 AM on 03/04/2011
Gadaffi - proven to be directly responsible for both the Lockerbee bombing and the attack on American soldiers in a Berlin disco was rehabilitated by Bush around 2004 and declared to be America's ally in the war on terrorism so we could start buying their oil again.

Now he's the bad guy again.

Wanna bet if he somehow manages to regain control of his country again he will soon be our freind and ally again?
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CTSnowman
US Navy & Army vet and proud liberal
06:39 AM on 03/04/2011
BAGHDAD, Feb. 27 (UPI) -- At least 29 people died in demonstrations across Iraq, where security forces detained about 300 people, including journalists, witnesses said.

All quite on the western airwaves.
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06:58 AM on 03/04/2011
Shhhh. we're not supposed to hear any bad news out of Baghdad, after all we brought them their freedom and they are forever grateful to us.
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
08:52 AM on 03/04/2011
The news media are bad at juggling news events. The public is no better.
06:01 AM on 03/04/2011
There is a danger of a stalemate that over time could be bloody," he said. "That is something that we are obviously considering." He raised the possibility of Gaddafi hunkering down in the capital of Tripoli while his people suffer food shortages. Obama said the U.S. and its partners would have to consider how to get food in.

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songoftherushes
I can think, I can wait, and I can fast
06:15 AM on 03/04/2011
Qaddafi isn't trying to starve anyone.
"Our convoy went to watch several trucks depart for the rebel-held city of Benghazi with what the government minders explained was humanitarian aid."
http://framework.latimes.com/2011/03/01/libyan-conflict-from-both-sides/#/0

In a move widely interpreted as an attempt to show he is both in control and compassionate, Gadhafi's regime dispatched a convoy of 18 trucks loaded with food and medical supplies to the rebel-held city of Benghazi, approximately 1,000 kilometres east of Tripoli.
http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110301/libya-gadhafi-protests-110301/20110301/?hub=CalgaryHome
06:00 AM on 03/04/2011
Pfft, obama; obama, pfft.
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Edward Standley
opinionated jerk
05:40 AM on 03/04/2011
The first part of the story is so sad. Whenever I see the word "shepherd", I think of a simple, peaceful, idyllic existence. That pro-Gaddafi would destroy those boys with machine guns and rockets is just crushingly sad.
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david5000
Detective & Pilot
05:18 AM on 03/04/2011
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/03/ivory-coast-women-killed

Another once stable and peaceful country is going the democracy road to oblivion .
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laterthanyouthink
My snark font is: ON
05:43 AM on 03/04/2011
Despotic dictatorship is a very stable form of government.

Agreed.
04:56 AM on 03/04/2011
After years in Iraq and Afghanistan, both countries (especially the US) need to start letting countries deal with their own problems. if they continually intervene then soon every time a country is in trouble thousands of US/UK troops will be sent, and some will die because we can't let countries handle situations on their own. to a certain extent we should stay out of it, but there are exceptions that could force us to change our position.
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04:39 AM on 03/04/2011
Folks,

A must see below. You gotta love the sincerity of Farrakhan!

Minister Farrakhan Responds to Muammar Gaddafi and Libya Situation and talk about Obama (Feb 27, 2011) 1 of 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=355U5cQz9sQ&feature=channel_video_title
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Edward Standley
opinionated jerk
05:41 AM on 03/04/2011
I'll pass. Not interested in anything Farrakhan has to say.
07:49 AM on 03/04/2011
You should be.
He had several thousand Koran Karrying Komrades
cheering him on last week, agreeing with the hopeful demise of
(dare I say it- I dare) white folk and the USA.

Don't overlook the enemies within.
Left/right or in between.
06:29 PM on 03/04/2011
Because the truth hurts right? He speak of Z!onist International Bankers who own the Federal Reserve to print money out of thin air to give to JP Morgan Zionists or to own USA Assets. You should be proud of him instead.
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BDrummer
08:26 AM on 03/04/2011
I stopped watching once he compared Gaddafi to Jesus.
06:25 PM on 03/04/2011
Nope he never did that. Even though he did, you are a kid. So you stop watching 99% of truth because there is 1% of falsehood.

Farakkan himself compared himself to Jesus because Jesus was against the establishment, the money changers and now Farakkan is splitting the truth about right winger Z!onists who own the Federal Reserve and use it to print money out of thin air to enslave the USA and the world.
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bocoe
A complicated mind trying to
04:20 AM on 03/04/2011
I just have one question, does this mean that he Kaddaffi does not leave we will have to execute another regime change like we did in Iran? Does this mean another war? Just wonderin'...
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songoftherushes
I can think, I can wait, and I can fast
03:56 AM on 03/04/2011
Let's be careful here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/
Libya crisis: what role do tribal loyalties play? By Mohamed Hussein


During Muammar Gaddafi's 42-year rule, Libya has made great strides socially and economically thanks to its vast oil income, but tribes and clans continue to be part of the demographic landscape.

Women in Libya are free to work and to dress as they like, subject to family constraints. Life expectancy is in the seventies. And per capita income - while not as high as could be expected given Libya's oil wealth and relatively small population of 6.5m - is estimated at $12,000 (£9,000), according to the World Bank.

Illiteracy has been almost wiped out, as has homelessness

http://www.bbc.co.uk/

Libya crisis: what role do tribal loyalties play? By Mohamed Hussein