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Public Sector Continues To Hemorrhage Jobs, Report Says

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First Posted: 03/04/11 06:25 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:35 PM ET

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(Reuters) - The jobs outlook is growing dimmer and dimmer for the public sector.

Federal employment data released on Friday shows that state and local governments are shedding thousands of jobs even as Republican political leaders say more layoffs are on the way.

In February, state and local governments wiped 30,000 jobs off their payrolls, mostly in education, the Labor Department said. Since employment levels peaked for public sector workers in August 2008, 450,000 jobs have been shed, almost entirely at the local level, according to the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal-leaning think-tank.

"State budgets are in bad shape and that means you're going to see more cutbacks," said David Wyss, chief economist for Standard & Poor's, who expects state and local governments to lose about 300,000 jobs this year. "The biggest impact will be in the fall, because 'back to school' is going to be 'back to school with fewer teachers.'"

Public schools start their new years in the fall, and the National Education Association, a union for education professionals, expects 100,000 school employees to be laid off.

"When a governor can't meet their budget, they have no choice," said NEA Executive Director John Wilson, noting that it is a new phenomenon to cut education jobs throughout the year.

"Teachers are really feeling that they're being made the scapegoats for a bad economy," he added.

The public sector layoffs are in deep contrast to the private sector, where employers hired 222,000 workers in February.

The country is pitched in a battle over public employees that has inspired thousands of demonstrators to descend on the capitals of Wisconsin and Ohio.

On Friday, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, a newly elected Republican, was poised to issue layoff notices to 1,500 state workers, blaming a two-week stand-off over his bill to curb union collective bargaining rights. Earlier this week he proposed a budget that would eliminate 21,000 positions and cut funding to education, cities and counties.

Republican governors in Ohio and Indiana are watching Walker's steps closely as they propose rolling back public employee union power in their budget-cutting efforts.

Even though most of February's public sector layoffs were at the local level, they were partly caused by state budget cuts. Because their revenues have been slow to recover from the recession, states have pared funds for local governments. The National Association of Counties recently found reduced state aid is the top cause of counties' income woes.

The federal economic stimulus plan passed in 2009 included money to prevent states from slashing education programs. But those funds run out this summer, which will likely force many school districts to cut more teacher jobs.

"The weak spot in the economy remains budget troubles for state and local governments," said Richard Trumka, president of one of the largest unions in the country, the AFL-CIO, in a statement. "Without some relief from the federal government, state and local layoffs could undermine prospects for sustained economic recovery."

Wyss said he expects weakness in the state and local sector to shave half a percentage point off national economic growth in the second half of 2011. But, he added, he anticipates private sector hiring to pick up enough to balance out any losses in the public sector.

(Additional reporting by Jeff Mayers; Editing by Dan Grebler)

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09:56 AM on 03/08/2011
I would wager the farm that in none of these state budgets are there pay cuts or freezes for the Legislative, Executive and Judicial branches...If they want to get serious about tightening the belt, then lead by example and cut all state salaries 10% across the board...
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gerald4
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05:30 PM on 03/07/2011
Richard Trumka said, "Without some relief from the federal government, state and local layoffs could undermine prospects for sustained economic recovery."

Why should anyone else pay federal taxes to support local governments that pay their Elite Government Tax Supported Bureaucrat­­s more than that local government can afford?
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gerald4
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05:22 PM on 03/07/2011
President Obama spent billions of the US taxpayer "stimulus funds", that were "borrowed" from individuals and governments in the industrial wealth generating nations, and then given to local governments to allow them to temporarily continue to pay for bloated local government bureaucratic union salaries and benefits where the local governments did not want to reduce the number of, or the pay scales of, or the benefits of these bureaucratic salaries for their teachers, water system operators, police, firefighters, and other bureaucrats?

Guess who these union bureaucrats will vote for in 2012?
01:15 AM on 03/08/2011
Whats bloated is the military budget. Even a minimal cutback in military spending could pay for the teachers salaries. We can't afford the empire anymore, and our citizens are suffering.
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spinotter11
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09:00 AM on 03/08/2011
It's not the only item on the budget - federal, state, and local - that is bloated. They could all use a deft surgeon to cut away some of the fat.
05:17 PM on 03/07/2011
"When a governor can't meet their budget, they have no choice," said NEA Executive Director John Wilson, noting that it is a new phenomenon to cut education jobs throughout the year.

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It is absolutely untrue that "they have no choice", and it is a sad commentary on how deeply brainwashed we are about how our economy works.

Look: wealth is only created by people doing productive work. Putting people out of work only reduces the wealth our economy can produce. When the capitalist economy crashes, the only way to get it going again is to keep people working, by whatever means are available.

In this case, that means retaining, and even creating, jobs in the public sector that the private sector refuses to create.

It's simple really: the money that pays workers' wages always and exclusively comes from the wealth produced by the workers themselves. In fact, workers produce a surplus of wealth above and beyond what they get paid. In the private sector, that surplus goes into the pockets of the owners (the capitalists). In the public sector, the surplus shows up as services and infrastructure used by the public.
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05:26 PM on 03/07/2011
Early pioneers and settlers of the USA had to provide their own military defense against indians, police, firefighters, teachers, medicine, water, sewer, roads, bridges, welfare and other services as best as they could.

After the early pioneers and settlers could produce enough necessities of life (food, shelter, clothing) for themselves and had an excess to also support a (rudimentary) civilization, they would then combine their (meager) resources/or and tax themselves to hire public sector bureaucrats as soldiers, teachers, water system operators, police, firefighters, and other services but they limited the cost of these bureaucrats to the number that they could afford and/or wanted to support.

These bureaucrats did allow the producers to become more productive by not having to worry about providing those services for themselves (and for their own families).

Who is noam???
05:55 PM on 03/07/2011
Noam Chomsky:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky
05:56 PM on 03/07/2011
Soldiers, teachers, water system operators, police, firefighte­rs are not bureaucrats.
04:57 PM on 03/07/2011
This is a classic failure of our capitalist system. People doing useful, productive work for the public, are thrown out of work because of an unnecessary crash in the private sector, caused by a deeply corrupt and arrogant Wall Street.
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gerald4
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05:15 PM on 03/07/2011
No, the Elite Government Tax Supported Bureaucrat­s are costing the taxpayers more than the taxpayers are wanting to or willing to pay for the Bureaucrat­s services!

Public Service Unions representing the Government Elite Bureaucrats have an unfair advantage when they are negotiating wage and benefit contracts with the same elected officials that the same unions helped to elect with campaign contributions from union members dues!

The Government Elite Bureaucrat's Unions negotiate with the same elected politicians that they financially contributed money (union dues) to in the elections for the union member's requests to take more money from the taxpayers and then give that tax money to the Government Elite Bureaucrats!

If the elected politicians do not give the Government Elite Bureaucrats as much tax money as their unions ask for, the Government Elite Bureaucrat's Unions will donate union money to other politicians in the next elections who will be more sympathetic to the union demands.

THIS IS THE REASON TO OUTLAW UNIONS REPRESENTATING EMPLOYEES THAT ARE WORKING FOR TAX SUPPORTED ORGANIZATI­ONS.
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maninal2
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04:38 AM on 03/08/2011
Yet another Koch funded propaganda campaign.. oooh the Elite Government Tax Supported Bureaucrats.. .like teachers... police and fire departments... be afraid, be very afraid. Gerald, get a new game. You're lousy at this one.
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gerald4
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04:03 PM on 03/07/2011
Primitive civilizations such as early pioneers and settlers of the USA who had to provide their own military defense against indians, police, justice, law & order, firefighters, teachers, medicine, water, sewer, roads, bridges, welfare and other services as best as they could.

After the early pioneers and settlers could produce enough necessities of life (food, shelter, clothing) for themselves and had an excess to also support a (rudimentary) civilization, they would then combine their meager resources/or and tax themselves to hire public sector bureaucrats as soldiers, teachers, water system operators, police, firefighters, and other services but they limited the cost of these bureaucrats to the number that they could afford and/or wanted to support.

These bureaucrats did allow the producers to become more productive by not having to worry about providing those services for themselves (and for their own families).

Cities and States should un-incorporate or declare bankruptcy if they can not pay the retirement pensions that previous administrations committed the current taxpayers to pay for.

In Madison, Wisconsin the Elite Government Tax Supported Union Member Bureaucrats are protesting to take more money from the taxpaying workers to be given to themselves.

In Cairo, Egypt the taxpaying workers are protesting to reduce the amount of money that the Elite Tax Supported Politically Connected Government Bureaucrats are taking from the taxpaying workers!
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gerald4
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04:08 PM on 03/07/2011
How about all governments at every government level reducing the salaries, pensions, benefits, and the number of bureaucrats to the numbers that the taxpayers can afford to support with the amount of their tax collections the various governments collect from the taxpayers?

Maybe the taxpayers cannot afford to pay for smaller classroom sizes, special education, fast police, medical and fire response times, etc,

Maybe the taxpayers need to expect slower police and fire response times, free emergency medical responce instead of paying for a taxicab ride to the hospital, more potholed in the streets, etc.”

Many tax supported support bureaucratic services such as Armed Forces, Crime Prevention, Police, Utilities, Fire Protection and Education, will increase the productivity of the Agriculture, Mining, Technology, Construction and Industrial Productive activities of a family, tribe, island, or nation by allowing the producers that produce the food, shelter and clothing necessary to sustain life AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY about providing those services for themselves.

These tax-supported bureaucratic jobs are NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, but these services do increase the efficiency of the citizens that produce the food, shelter, clothing and etc. that is needed for continuing our survival.
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maninal2
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04:38 AM on 03/08/2011
How about you stop taking SSI checks every month. How about you stay off the roadways, inspect your own food, breath out of an oxygen tank. Ridiculous.
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netman714
More disgusted daily
07:45 PM on 03/08/2011
As we've seen in Wisconsin, having an under-handed governor give tax breaks to corporations, sweet heart deals to their largest donors and doctoring of finances and then cry "financial crisis" makes it difficult at best to factor real costs.
Aren't corporations that benefit from our roads, educated citizens, medical system, etc responsible to pay a higher percentage of taxes or provide the healthcare and pensions that these workers need?
Maybe we could go to a "Darwinian" democracy - you know if you can't make it on your own, you should just do us all a favor and go die?
Your comments used to seem much more eloquent with an ounce of thought inserted - now they just seem old and mean-spirited.
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maybealittlecommonsense
kick it root down
03:58 PM on 03/07/2011
With Obama's failed stimulus, who doesn't see this coming? Obama failed to fix anything. The stimulus money given to states to prop up their faltering budgets a couple of years ago, has now come home to roost. It's like putting a band-aid on a dirty wound. When the band-aid fell off (the stimulus run out) we find the wound is infected.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
04:39 AM on 03/08/2011
Don't read much do you. Just because the FOX box says so doesn't mean it's true.
07:29 AM on 03/07/2011
The beauty of America. Wall street bankers can borrow money from the fed to invest in speculative market deals - goldman sach and facebook, but our states have no money source to assist them in this time of need. So our system is designed to take a natural course of action - lay off workers, decrease budget expences, and decrease the state income. Our system can bail out companies to big to fail, but cannot extend one dime to support the states so they don't fail. I guess there is some logic to all of it, but I can't find it. I guess the republican solution to everything, cutting taxes for the rich, is not to good for everyone, but the rich.
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joeisright
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07:44 AM on 03/07/2011
Cutting taxes for the rich works for me. I work on rich people's toys.
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Mary Blickhahn
Mary Quite Contrary
04:03 PM on 03/07/2011
So how well paid are you? They could afford you even with the tax cuts I am sure!
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maybealittlecommonsense
kick it root down
04:00 PM on 03/07/2011
Who got their taxes cut? Obama extended the Bush tax rates for everyone, not just the rich. The other option was taxes would go up. They stayed the same, or went up. No one got a tax cut.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
04:39 AM on 03/08/2011
I'd gladly give up mine if they give up theirs
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shocktreatment
Just barely standing it
12:18 PM on 03/08/2011
"Obama extended the Bush tax rates for everyone, not just the rich..."

Not even a nice try, disingenuous fro start to finish. Bush didn't set tax rates, temporary tax cuts with expiration dates were bulled through using RECONCILIATION, yes, that process redumlicans shake and spew over when it is presented against them, but embrace otherwise. Said tax CUTS were renewed via blackmail over unemployment benefits.

"...The other option was taxes would go up. They stayed the same, or went up..."

An absurd fabrication. Options included renewing tax cuts for some brackets and not others, junking it and re-crafting the cuts, etc. Many options.

"...No one got a tax cut..."

Everyone got a tax cut, including the wealthiest of us, whose portion cost the US
$1.8 trillion dollars, according to Heritage.

"Commonsense" does not including ignoring or twisting the truth to suit your own ends, that would be redumlican SOP, it appears.
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Intolerantcentrist
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08:20 PM on 03/06/2011
For 2009, the city of Seattle employed 11,180 with an average salary of $ 77248.826 (including overtime). Of the 11,180 employees, 14 made over $200,000; 161 made over $150,000; 624 made over $125,000; 2481 made over $100,000; 3890 made over $ 90,000.

For the City of Seattle in 2009, the median salary is $79,898. The median income for the area in 2009 was $59,000.

While these numbers may shock a few, please consider that the employee or their unions are only half of the parties at the bargaining table. In Washington State, public employee’s right to strike is not guaranteed. As such, these public sector unions have only a small amount of leverage at the bargaining table compared with their private sector counterparts.

If true fiscal reform is sought, then demand from your elected official’s responsible decisions at the bargaining table without the deceitful rhetoric of blaming only the unions for the mess that your elected officials are an equal party in creating.
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Mary Blickhahn
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04:20 PM on 03/07/2011
Wow I want to work there! I live in a town where the city employees are paid well enough to afford to live in affluent places. Meanwhile my husband worked for the larger city near by (Colorado Springs) and was paid just under enough to afford the town we live in which is a lower wealth community. Most of his co-workers could not afford to live in CS where they work.. so they live in surrounding areas where it is cheaper, including my town. When layoffs happened and (yup lucky us he was laid off) the residents of Colorado Springs complained the city workers were over paid. Our pay is far lower then the rest of the state due to a convenient lie that says it is cheaper to live in Colorado Springs. This is not true, our community is very expensive and stores are over priced. Housing prices out pace the job market. even the military who are smarter to live on the bases or on post. (But shhh this is a secret, know one is suppose to notice). Any way My hubby did not have the privilege of a Union and well those who have one aren't any better off. But still the idea is nice!
08:07 PM on 03/06/2011
We are screwed. Bring on 2012 (Mayan Calender).
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07:30 PM on 03/06/2011
While we lay off public workers is anyone else picking up the slack? Not a chance. We need more public workers right now - not less.

More people working will stimulate the economy in countless ways. Public employees pay for goods and services in the private sector and they pay taxes and make mortgage payments. There is much needed work to do right now - going undone - and now there is no one to do it and more lose jobs daily.

We need WPA style work projects immeidately to provide the critical services we are now lacking. Small business employers are struggling to stay afloat and go out of business daily. Big and small employers are downsizing, outsourcing and holding on to cash.

Who exactly is going to train and hire a new workforce? Government jobs will benefit the wider economy. Why should young or old roam the streets with nothing to do? It would have been a better place for TARP instead of pumping up banks to turn around and shut down credit to business, consumers and homeowners.

There is a huge cost to pay with large numbers of the population unemployed and not just in unemployment insurance. Money would be better spent training and hiring people who will then be able to spend more - saving many businesses who depend on them to keep doing that. Private employers simply cannot do it right now. Use common sense to decide not politics. Different times call for different measures.
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07:46 PM on 03/06/2011
Fanned.

I don't understand how teachers became the whipping post for all that is wrong with this economy. If anything, we need to pay them decent wages. The public sector employee, for the most part, has been promised certain benefits and have been paying into the system for years. Aside from a small percentage that game the system (like Wall Street doesn't do that...), the public sector has paid into their retirement system. The legal contract that they have is that the states and municipalities are to contribute, too, but did not do so during the booming years. Now that the unfunded part comes up, they put all the stress on the party that paid their half. Funny, that didn't happen on Wall Street. Instead, they still got their bonuses, because we were told that the employment contracts were "legal contracts" and couldn't be broken.
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08:12 PM on 03/06/2011
Have you ever read "Cats Cradle" by Vonnegut? Sounds a bit like that book.
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Robgrut
06:16 PM on 03/06/2011
In January 2009 our unemployment rate was 7.6 percent, and 11.6 million Americans were unemployed. In February 2011 the rate is 8.9 percent, and 13.7 million Americans are out of work. In that same time frame African American unemployment has gone from 12.6 percent to 15.3 percent, while Hispanic unemployment has gone from 9.7% to 11.6%.
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whyus
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04:58 PM on 03/06/2011
The Banksters and Republicans want all the rest of America kicked out of their homes and on the street. Or used as cheap labor, like overseas. I see no other reasons for what it is they are doing to us in this country.
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demilieu
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03:06 PM on 03/06/2011
The mayor of Houston, TX announced last week mandatory budget cuts from 5% to 27% for all city departments. The estimate is 2300 city workers will be let go to make the budget. Last year the mayor mandated all city workers take (at least) 6 days of unpaid time off in 2011.
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gerald4
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03:45 PM on 03/07/2011
At least she is facing reality!
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maninal2
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04:41 AM on 03/08/2011
How does laying off 2300 workers improve Houston's economy?
02:33 PM on 03/06/2011
This is sad. People were taught that if they worked hard they would have something to retire on.
I think people of the ww2 generation called this "earning."
I think if they want to eliminate pensions they need to do it now. That way some of the ww2 generation will suffer.
The boomers will not pay more-because they feel the money is going to the top of the ponzi scheme and they will never collect.
If we are to pay for everyone else when can we recieve our due?