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10 States Where Teachers Are Paid The Worst: 24/7 Wall St.

First Posted: 03/04/11 01:46 PM ET   Updated: 05/25/11 07:35 PM ET

24/7 Wall St wrote: Lost in the debate about collective bargaining rights and the related issues of pay, pensions, and health care coverage is the dialogue about a core issue. There is no clear correlation that better paid teachers produce better educated students.

Wisconsin teachers are among the most vocal opponents of Gov. Scott Walker's plan to curtail some collective bargaining rights. Though there is little doubt that good teachers improve student achievement, the evidence that well-compensated educators produce better prepared students is mixed. Wisconsin is a case in point.

Wisconsin teachers fare slightly worse than the national average with starting salaries of $32,642 and a maximum with a master's degree of $60,036. The Tax Foundation says its tax burden is the fourth worst in the U.S. and its QualityCounts rating was a C+, about average. What the state underscores is how a dysfunctional system of teacher pay rewards educators with little emphasis on merit. Throwing more money at teachers, however, is not the answer to the myriad of problems affecting the nation's schools.

Data reviewed by 24/7 Wall St. from the National Education Association, The American Federation of Teachers, PayScale.com along with discussions with experts from Education Trust, the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute found that there are states with well-paid teachers with superior student achievement such as New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. Others such as Connecticut and California where teachers are paid well and the educational results are average as measured by the QualityCounts survey issued by Education Week. Florida did well in QuallityCounts even though its teachers are among the poorest paid in the country. All these states except Florida rank among the highest among state and local tax burdens, according to the Tax Foundation. The Sunshine State ranked 31st.

The National Education Association, the largest teacher's union, estimates starting salaries for teachers at $35,139 with a bachelor's degree. Educators with a master's degree earn as much as $64,883. Of course, teacher's salaries vary widely depending on the tax revenue available, cost of living and the strength of the local union. They are largely funded by local property taxes. Moreover, their salaries far exceed the wages paid to their counterparts at non-union private schools, according to Reason magazine. Most teachers also received defined benefit pension plans and other benefits not given to their counterparts in private industry. Some districts are pushing the idea of merit pay, which the teacher's unions have fought.

"I would love to say dramatically raise their pay," says Richard Lemons of the Education Trust, in an interview. He added that there is no evidence yet that dramatically boosting a mediocre teacher's pay will inspire them to become better at their jobs. In theory, higher teacher pay will entice higher quality candidates into the professions though there is little evidence that shows these people will be any more competent than existing teachers.

Though money won't solve the myriad of woes affecting our nation's schools, it certainly helps. According to the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), many people are turned off by the profession because of its low starting salary, which trails the pay of educators around the world. Teachers have also been "losing ground" to other professions for years, EPI says. A 2008 report by the Economic Policy Institute argues that teachers with bachelor's degrees earned about 12.2 percent less than their peers in 2006, while the gap between teachers and non-teachers with a master's degree was 11.3 percent. The implications are stark.

According to a report released last year by the Education Trust, students in high-poverty schools are "disproportionately taught by out-of-field and rookie teachers." U.S. students still lag behind their peers around the world in math and science, though their performance has improved slightly. The NEA argues that teachers should receive more compensation for receiving a master's degree even though many experts argue that there is no proof that it makes teachers perform any better.

"People who improve their skills should get paid more," says Bill Raabe of the NEA "Wouldn't you want that adult work with your children to be the best that money can but. It's a no brainer."

Many experts argue that the system for evaluating teachers is broken. Teachers can be evaluated by supervisors who know nothing about their subject. Another big problem, according to critics of teacher's unions, is the idea that the last person hired should be the first person fired in the event of a layoff. In a recent interview with National Public Radio, former DC District Superindent Michelle Rhee argued that this policy hurts younger teachers because it encourages districts to fire more of them to close budget deficits. Moreover, Rhee and others say that it promotes seniority over merit.

A few schools are battling these trends by paying teachers six-figure salaries.

A New York City charter school earned headlines in 2008 for its plans to pay teachers $125,000 in exchange for working longer hours and assuming additional duties. A voluntary program instituted in Washington, D.C., last year could raise total compensation for some teachers to $140,000 Some teachers in Wisconsin and Illinois are also reportedly as handsomely compensated along with other states. According to the NEA, about 1% of teachers are paid that well.

Though teachers' unions and their political allies argue that educators are underpaid, fiscal conservatives argue that given the amount of work they do and the hefty benefits they receive, that is not the case. Frederick Hess, director of education policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, says he is not against paying well.

"I don't think that all teachers should earn six figures," Hess says in an interview. "The best teachers should earn six figures and the worst teachers should be fired."

While its tough to quantify the value of a good teacher, Stanford University economist Eric Hanushek gave it try last year and concluded that a better-than average teacher "generates marginal gains of over $400,000 in present value of student future earnings ... Alternatively, replacing the bottom 5-8 percent of teachers with average teachers could move the U.S. near the top of international math and science rankings with a present value of $100 trillion."

The problem that experts can not solve is how to attract and retain teachers who give both students and taxpayers the most bang for their buck.

Below are the list of the 10 worst-paid teachers. This list includes the QualityCounts grades.
Do you think teachers are making enough in these states?

#10 Kansas (C)
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Average Salary 2010/2011: $47,080
Number of Enrolled Students Per Teacher 2010/2011: 13.7 (18th)
Average National Assessment of Educational Progress Math Score 2009: 288.59 (11th)
Average National Assessment of Educational Progress Reading Score 2009: 266.79 (19th)
Average Daily Attendance as a % of Fall Enrollment 2010/2011: 94.5% (15th)
High School Graduation Rate as % of Fall Enrollment 2010/2011: 6.42% (28th)

Kansas officials have asked for relief from requirements of the No Child Left Behind law. More than five dozen school districts filed a class action suit in November over what they consider to be unconstitutional cuts in state aid. Governor Sam Brownbeck's proposed budget cuts per-pupil for education spending.

Correction: An earlier version of this story referred to a plan by
city officials to close schools in Kansas City, Kansas. In fact, this
occurred in Kansas City, Missouri.


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(Pictured: Teacher's Rally in Topeka, Kansas)
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24/7 Wall St wrote: Lost in the debate about collective bargaining rights and the related issues of pay, pensions, and health care coverage is the dialogue about a core issue. There is no clear corre...
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07:24 PM on 04/28/2011
I think these are mostly Red States..........ironically, will they ever learn?
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DonVitoCorleone
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02:44 PM on 04/26/2011
We used to live in North Dakota but moved in part because of their lack of support of education. While the state is running more than a half-billion dollar surplus, Minot and Bismarck are talking about cutting school budgets. They are quick to give lip service to education and teachers, but clearly don't walk the walk.
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Jimmy 61762
08:48 AM on 04/16/2011
I wouldnt only advise my children against teaching ,Id refuse to pay for them to go to college for it.The pay sucks,the students are violent,administration is aganst you,and most of all,the public wants to cut your throat if you ask for a raise.To hell with duty to your fellow man,show me the money.
10:05 AM on 04/14/2011
One look at the scores for Mississippi should tell anyone why Haley Barbour is not fit to be President of the United States.
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Dec2086Lover
After all you are my wonderwall.
11:38 AM on 04/14/2011
I agree.
09:27 PM on 04/15/2011
Low scores have little to do with Haley Barbour. Teachers who can not or will not do their job is one of the main issues. If the money given to school systems was spent properly, we would have a lot less problems.
09:46 AM on 04/14/2011
Granted, there are some bad teachers, folks who are just plain dumb, that might be able to pass a test in their given genre' of teaching, but are horrible at the ability at getting the subject matter across to the student.
Now you have the matter of government involvement. Many years ago when I was in school, we had to learn. Books were supplied and if we didn't return those books in the same or near condition after the nine month period, we had to pay a fine, and if you lost the book, you had to pay for it. We had about 6 or 7 subjects in which we had to learn, we had to turn in homework, we had to participate in class work. Now thanks to psycologists and many new 'why Johnny can't learn' theories, Johnny now in effect, really can't learn, and there is no one there to encourage Johnny to learn. Teacher now have to teach according to ways mapped out by politicians and 'learning specialist', or else the school is fined and and the teacher is put on notice.
Teachers are now the scapegoats for what parents won't or can't do. In reality, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. And because of today's environment, kids these days don't have to learn, because they know they don't have to. I wouldn't be a teacher today for all the tea in China.
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Dec2086Lover
After all you are my wonderwall.
11:46 AM on 04/14/2011
Good insight.
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jcabowers
People are more important than money
08:19 PM on 04/13/2011
Red states. No surprise here.
10:49 AM on 04/12/2011
These slides should compare teacher pay versus average standard of living. Lets say I make 50K in California or 45K in South Dakota. My Dollar is going a lot farther in SD than it is in CA.
02:43 PM on 04/10/2011
In another somewhat related story it seems that executive pay is soaring and yet I am not aware of any movement in the states to curtail their right to exact any amount they can . Now before the argument is made that they are private companies entitled to pay what they want keep in mind that many of these are employed by corporations who pay no income taxes and lets not forget all those bankers who received those massive bonuses after having been bailed out by us, the taxpayers.
Republicans put all their energies behind attacking hardworking, generally underpaid teachers. I am constantly amazed that there are still those who will support this party that engages in this kind of battle. I guess they(Republicans) realize that they don't even have to try to lie about it anymore. They can lay their motives right on the table and their supporters are either so stupid or so apathetic that they will not hold them accountable. When will the supporters of Republicans who are not amongst the extremely wealthy wake up to the fact that they are being used by their overlords who are not interested in anyone but the very wealthiest.
02:11 PM on 04/10/2011
Is is any coincidence that almost every one of these states is either a red state or southern (or both). Can it be deduced that Democrats value education more than Republicans? Republicans want to defund education because there arent enough ignorant people to give them the majorities in government that they desire.
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IFGA
04:53 PM on 04/02/2011
In Oregon we have 36 counties and nearly 200 school districts each with its own administrative section, plus an out of line retirement program. In this day of electronic communication I do not believe that it is necessary to have but a single district per county. Most states are the same.
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blue moon
05:49 PM on 03/30/2011
Why is South Carolina not on this list with an average teacher salary of $43,000 and a starting salary of $28,568?
08:31 PM on 04/04/2011
As a teacher, I feel that your proposal has merit. However, I do not believe that test makers could devise such a credible test.
08:33 PM on 04/04/2011
LOL, sorry I posted my reply to the wrong comment. You asked a good question.
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skibum415
I’m an Independent refusing to follow the herd.
09:05 AM on 03/15/2011
(Part 1 of 6)

First, sorry for the verbose posting but I wanted to get this out in the community and hear what folks think of it.

I think great teachers deserve great pay; poor teachers however, deserve the door. Here is how I propose a teacher is evaluated:

Design standardized tests for each course (this example will use social studies), test students at the start and end of each year. The test will contain information the student is expected to already know based on pre-requisites for the course. The second half is what the course will cover throughout the upcoming year. The test at the start of the year has two purposes, first - inform the teacher whether the class is at grade level or whether remedial teaching is required. Second, establish a base line for regarding the knowledge a teacher effectively transfers to students.

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skibum415
I’m an Independent refusing to follow the herd.
09:04 AM on 03/15/2011
(Part 2 of 6)

At year end the students take the same test again. Hopefully teachers worked off previous courses knowledge base to build this year's curriculum. Now, students are expected to learn information rather than simply teachers cramming with kids in the final weeks. This is why testing at the start of the year is important - if a teacher teaches the test; cramming information into kids will result in said students typically forgetting large chunks over the summer, whereas a teacher who really teaches the information tends to show student retention.

If a specific teacher has high numbers at the end of the school year but the kids don't remember anything the following year would need to be addressed, perhaps the teacher is teaching the test. Remember, we are looking at students individually so if Student ‘A’ TYPICALLY forgets everything after the summer then that will be demonstrated across the board. These numbers are averaged so even if one or two forget everything a teacher is bound to have one or two who read and continue learning throughout the summer. The numbers average out and we are looking for trending lines; not erroneous pops and drops.

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07:23 AM on 04/13/2011
I am currently a student about to graduate with a degree in elementary education in Illinois and we learn that we should be doing this exact thing. Merit pay doesn't factor in though, it is only to grasp where the class is at as a whole and we have to test them ourselves. This lets us know if there is some reteaching to be done or if we can move on to new material. There is no standardized test for this though.
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skibum415
I’m an Independent refusing to follow the herd.
09:00 AM on 03/15/2011
(Part 3 of 6)

Here’s where merit pay is factored, as students’ progress through grades an average develops for said student. Perhaps the student is really poor at test taking & consistently bombs (first and last), that information shows; not being held against a teacher. When averages develop over a student’s life in a state or district then it becomes easy to see where great teachers make an impact on said student. Test scores would tend to be higher than normal at the end of the year. Additionally, a portion of the test the following year demonstrates higher retention than normal for said student. When a teacher has a track record of making the positive impact on kids then it shows across the board as an average where the class, as an average, tests better. Conversely, when a teacher has a record of dropping kids lower than said student’s average, that teacher is also identified.

Teacher’s making positive impacts on kids are paid more compared to a teacher who is having the student average drop below “normal†for his/her specific student body then the teacher is perhaps required to take additional continuing education courses, is paired with a “good teacher†for a portion of his/her day to see different styles and gain assistance in developing teaching plans, or perhaps said teacher is terminated. These teacher’s would be the first gone if layoffs are required, not “last in, first out†where the “last in†may be an excellent teacher.

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skibum415
I’m an Independent refusing to follow the herd.
08:54 AM on 03/15/2011
(Part 4 of 6)

Testing this way takes out income, race, neighborhoods, and gender because you no longer compare students to other students; you instead compare the student to his/her past performance. Naturally, if a student has a bad year (death of a family member for instance) it would be easy to identify as most of the scores across the board would be impacted (this may be another way to identify great teachers – if a student has a “bad year†but one teacher historically improves said student’s scores, clearly the teacher has a way to work with students going through difficult times – another sign of a great teacher). The goal of these tests isn’t to see how Student A specifically did; it is to see whether, as a class they did higher or lower than historical averages for each student.

Teachers who have a pattern of kids dropping below average while in his/her class may be assisted or released – regardless of how long said teacher has been around. This ensures the best teachers are not only teaching your student but also frees up monies to pay the best of the best additional salary encouraging them to stay; continuing to do good.

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