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Senate To Vote On Rival GOP, Democratic Budget Plans

Budget Proposal Vote

ANDREW TAYLOR   03/ 9/11 09:31 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — The Democratic-led Senate on Wednesday emphatically rejected a budget-slashing House spending bill as too draconian. It then immediately killed a rival Democratic plan that was derided by moderate Democrats as too timid in its drive to cut day-to-day agency budgets.

The votes to scuttle the competing measures were designed, ironically, to prompt progress. The idea was to show tea party-backed GOP conservatives in the House that they need to pare back their budget-cutting ambitions while at the same time demonstrating to Democratic liberals that they need to budge, too.

White House budget director Jacob Lew said the votes should turn a page and that talks between the administration and Republicans are likely to become more productive. The negotiators are unlikely to meet a March 18 deadline, which means another stopgap budget extension would be required to keep the government from shutting down.

"We want to come to a reasonable outcome," Lew said in an interview. "We've made it clear that that's not the end, that there are more savings. But we've also said that there's a line beyond which we can't go."

Top Senate Democrats visited with Obama on Wednesday afternoon to plot strategy. Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., a participant, declined to comment afterward, other than to say he recognizes his party will have to move in the GOP's direction.

One reason is that Democratic moderates are agitating for further cuts to spending.

"I still think there are way too many people in denial around here about the nature of the problem and how serious it is," said Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., who contended that the Democratic plan didn't go far enough. But she said the GOP measure cut too indiscriminately in its funding for infrastructure programs, education and research.

The GOP plan mustered 44 aye votes; the Democratic measure received just 42 votes, with 10 party members and liberal independent Bernard Sanders in opposition. Moderates Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., Ben Nelson, D-Neb., Bill Nelson, D-Fla., and McCaskill – each face potentially difficult re-election bids next year – were among those opposed to the Democratic version.

At issue was legislation to fund the day-to-day operating budgets of every federal agency through the Sept. 30 end of the budget year and provide a $158 billion infusion for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Republicans dominating the House, driven by a campaign promise to bring return domestic agency budgets to 2008, drove through last month a measure cutting more than $60 billion, imposing cuts of 13 percent, on average, to domestic agencies.

The 87-person freshman class forced Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, to back away from an earlier plan cutting $35 billion over the second half of the budget year that took into account the fact that the budget year is nearly half over. As a result, over the coming six months, the House measure would actually impose day-to-day cuts far steeper than promised in the campaign. Targets grew to include Head Start, special education and Pell Grants for low-income college students.

Senate Democrats had been slow to respond. Their alternative, unveiled just last Friday by Appropriations Committee Chairman Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, cuts about $12 billion below levels enacted for 2010. It's also $30 billion below a Senate omnibus spending measure that Republicans sidetracked in December.

Inouye said his bill represented months of labor by panel members and their aides and "makes real cuts to real programs."

"But the cuts ... are based on hearings, testimony and a thorough analysis of the current needs of every agency and department," Inouye said. "By contrast, the Republicans in the House have thrown together a proposal ... based on the campaign promise to reduce spending by $100 billion."

Inouye was referring to a GOP campaign promise to cut nonsecurity spending by $100 billion below President Barack Obama's budget request. By that measuring stick, the Democratic alternative represents $50 billion in savings.

Lew said the president is willing to go further. "We can agree to additional savings and we want to look and find the savings that we can all agree on," he said. "It won't add up to $100 billion. ... It's going to be somewhere in the middle."

Republicans derided the Democratic bill as simply endorsing the status quo.

"There is plenty of fat to be cut in the discretionary budget," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. "And yet Democrats can't find it in themselves to cut an additional $50 billion from a bill that spends over $1 trillion."

Inouye's current plan might have won bipartisan support last year, but it was overtaken by events. GOP moderates queasy about cuts to education, health research and college aid nonetheless rallied behind the slashing House measure despite their reservations.

"I have a lot of concerns about some of the cuts," said moderate Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine. But, she added, "it may be necessary to send a strong message to the White House."

The near-universal GOP support for the House plan belied significant qualms about it among many Republicans.

"While I can support the spirit in which the House made its cuts, I do not endorse each and every reduction in the House measure," said Sen. Thad Cochran, R-Miss., top Republican on the Appropriations panel. "In fact, I oppose some of the cuts to important programs and believe that alternative reductions must be considered."

There were GOP defections from the right, however, as tea party-favorites Rand Paul, R-Ky., Mike Lee, R-Utah, and Jim DeMint, R-S.C., voted against the House GOP measure.

"The cuts are more significant, but they also pale in comparison to the problem," Paul said. "I think both (Democratic and Republican) approaches do not significantly alter or delay the crisis that's coming."

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WASHINGTON — The Democratic-led Senate on Wednesday emphatically rejected a budget-slashing House spending bill as too draconian. It then immediately killed a rival Democratic plan that was deri...
WASHINGTON — The Democratic-led Senate on Wednesday emphatically rejected a budget-slashing House spending bill as too draconian. It then immediately killed a rival Democratic plan that was deri...
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
01:03 AM on 03/10/2011
Seize the banks, mines, railroads, utilities, private wealth in excess of $150,000,000, end the depreciation right-offs for assets, and impose a 3 cent national sales tax on every $10.00 of purchases other than for food, clothing, medication, and shelter. Tax the churches and end all tax free foundations.
01:43 PM on 03/09/2011
You can't be more hypocritical about budgets and deficits when proclaiming, "Everything must be on the table" than to exclude the possibility of raising some taxes to previous levels where deficits were being appropriately mitigated.
02:29 PM on 03/09/2011
or begin to make slow by meaningful cuts and adjustments to entitlements

pentagon 20% right off the top

SS could easily be fixed by means testing. if you make or have a net worth of $X you dont qualify or qualify for reduced benefits and for medicare if you receive cadillac retirement healthcare, you dont qualify for medicare or only a portion of the benefits.

here is one issue I know about with SS. parent is 66 with twin 16 y/o boys from a second marriage, since the boys are the dependents of a senior citizen, they qualify and receive SS benefits even though their father is worth about $10 million and will continue to recieve dependent benefits through college.

the cuts propsed by the dems are worthless. the GOP's are not focused enough but yet spread out over basically all agencies and neither tackle the main issues.
08:11 PM on 03/09/2011
I'll not disagree cuts can be made in many different places and I regularly point at much of the military's budget to maintain and extend foreign imperialism. My point was the simple hypocrisy involved with the statement "Everything must be on the table" when there's an exception of the Clinton, Bush 1 or Iran-Contra Reagan tax rates.

Lumping Social Security with financially failing programs like Medicaid / Medicare though is a red herring because it's currently solvent for 27 more years. That's almost 3 decades to find the best possible path of means testing or adjusment. A slow fine scalpel used repeatedly over that 27 years to eliminate the type of excesses you mention would be far better than one CONServative driven heavy hand - 3 decades before it's needed.
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Sarita
Please tell me the truth
11:55 AM on 03/09/2011
I would say that the suspence is killing us - but we know the Dems will eventually cave into the demands of the Republicans, even with a majority, so save us the pain and just do it now!
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11:36 AM on 03/09/2011
Republicans and some Democratic moderates also were likely to kill a White House-backed Senate plan that cuts agency operating budgets about $11 billion below last year's levels, saying that's not enough when the deficit is projected to hit $1.6 trillion this year.
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Why are these DINO's called "Moderate Democrats"?
How is a Moderate Democrat different than a sane Republican?

To liberals wanting a Third Party: Focus on getting rid of these DINOs from the Democratic party. What would be left of the Democratic party after that would be the Third Party you want.
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SirRealDeal
And you press on God's waiter your last dime
11:20 AM on 03/09/2011
sawdustking   46 minutes ago (10:30 AM)

Calling the Democratic plan a budget is a misnomer to say the least. Poor, poor cowboy poets...
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Your fascination with cowboy poets makes me wonder if you are out looking for broke back mountain
01:07 PM on 03/09/2011
You don't have to be gay to appreciate fine poetry...

...although I suppose it doesn't hurt.
nothingchanges
too soon old, too late smart
11:13 AM on 03/09/2011
Embarrassing?

By definition being embarrassed denotes a sense of shame.

This congress knows no shame. They sold out the American people for their own personal financial benefit. The Bush tax cuts are proof.

Financial sacrifice, only applies, if it excludes their patrons, and themselves.
01:09 PM on 03/09/2011
Lowering the lowest marginal rate from 15% to 10% is selling the American people out? Don't you want the working poor to have more money?
02:30 PM on 03/09/2011
the bush tax cuts are now the Obama tax levels
11:10 AM on 03/09/2011
Include cost of living increases to senior citizens on Social Security instead of cooking the inflation numbers so as not to have to pay.. shame on them!
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Sarita
Please tell me the truth
11:57 AM on 03/09/2011
COLAs for Social Security - are you nuts, we'll never see that again in our lifetime!
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Coinyer101
King of Doobiestan
11:00 AM on 03/09/2011
Both plans are stoopit, and I wouldn't vote for either of them....,
 
You do not cut budgets during a recovery, and with high unemployment, until you tax the rich and end stoopit wars that ain't even 'wars'..... ,
01:07 PM on 03/09/2011
I couldn't agree more. I find it absolutely disgusting that they are slashing every program that benefits average Americans, while yelling that it is a necessary sacrifice. Meanwhile, the rich were extended tax breaks that would have given this country vast amounts of money to work with. Ultimately, the poor and middle class have to sacrifice and suffer so that the rich can save a few dollars. Sounds messed up to me.
01:10 PM on 03/09/2011
Taxing the rich and nearly doubling the size of the federal government was Hoover's solution in 1929. That didn't work out so good.
02:52 PM on 03/09/2011
Thats what happens when you cut education, you make up facts because you dont know history.
10:40 AM on 03/09/2011
Mr. McConnell tells us that the only people not sacrificing during the economic downturn are federal government workers. Obviously, he's forgetting Wall Street, lobbyists, corporate executives and the ultra-rich. All of whom are doing just fine. And come to think of it, he and his fellow fellow senators aren't feeling a lot of pain either. Does anyone actually take what this man is saying seriously?
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LHoney
REINSTATE GLASS STEAGALL!!!
10:54 AM on 03/09/2011
If Faux Noise and Rush tell them to take him seriously, that's what they'll do. Too lazy to educate themselves on what is ACTUALLY going on.
10:58 AM on 03/09/2011
Sadly, you are 100% correct.
01:09 PM on 03/09/2011
Sad but true. The right wing propaganda machine will ultimately destroy this country. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. We are on our way to becoming a third world country.
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Kate Zeiss
What fresh Hell is this?
10:37 AM on 03/09/2011
Freshman Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia said the kabuki theater is a waste of time.

"Republicans will say Democrats don't go far enough. Democrats will say Republicans go too far," Manchin said Tuesday. "The truth is both are right, and both proposals will fail. Worse still, everyone in Congress knows they will fail."

This is Manchin demonstrating his Awesome Freshman-ness . . . stop whining and start working. There are other positions to take besides total obstruction.
02:17 PM on 03/09/2011
Agreed.

Also, Manchin calling on Obama to bring forth a plan -- apparently Manchin was comatose the past 2 years when all the criticism is that the Administration was trying to work through the Congress instead of 'leading.' I guess 'leading' is all in the P.O.V., as in whether you agree or not.
10:30 AM on 03/09/2011
Calling the Democratic plan a budget is a misnomer to say the least. Poor, poor cowboy poets...
AveragePatriot
I am an Apathetic Agnostic
10:28 AM on 03/09/2011
Republican or Democrat?

A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am." The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.

She rolled her eyes and said, "You must be a Democrat." "I am,"replied the man. "How did you know?" "Well," answered the balloonist, everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me."

The man smiled and responded, "You must be a Republican." "I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?" "Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you're going. You've risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met but, somehow, now it's my fault."
10:31 AM on 03/09/2011
I bet the cowboy poets could have helped her out.
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docwindprod
My micro-bio is empty, but my life isn't.
11:26 AM on 03/09/2011
that the best you've got?
bring some game; you're boring and you're embarrassing yourself.
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LHoney
REINSTATE GLASS STEAGALL!!!
10:55 AM on 03/09/2011
Nothing average about you! Fanned and faved!!!