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Libya Fighting

First Posted: 03/10/11 12:25 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:35 PM ET

RAS LANOUF, Libya -- Government forces drove hundreds of rebels from a strategic oil port with a withering rain of rockets and tank shells on Thursday, significantly expanding Moammar Gaddafi's control of Libya as Western nations struggled to find a way to stop him.

France became the first country to recognize the rebels' governing council, and an ally of President Nicolas Sarkozy said his government was planning "targeted operations" to defend civilians if the international community approves.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said she would meet with opposition leaders in the U.S., Egypt and Tunisia.

But there was no concrete sign of Western moves toward military assistance such as the no-fly zone that the rebels pleaded for as they retreated through the pancake-flat desert scrubland outside the port of Ras Lanouf, scanning the skies for government warplanes.

The fleeing rebels said government forces showered rockets or tank shells on Ras Lanouf in preparation for a full-scale advance. Lightly armed opposition members sped back to their territory by the hundreds, fleeing eastward in cars and pickup trucks mounted with machine guns.

A rebel official in the town of Ajdabiya inside opposition territory said Gaddafi's troops and tanks were battling the insurgents at the western entrance to Ras Lanouf and using gunboats to fire on the rebels from the sea.

"These are tough battles," said Akram al-Zwei, a member of the post-uprising town committee. "We are fighting against four battalions heavily equipped with airpower, tanks, missiles, everything."

He added that the rebels are fighting alongside the Saaiqa 36 Battalion, which had been based in Benghazi but defected to the opposition.

Taking back Ras Lanouf would be a major victory for Gaddafi, reestablishing his power over a badly damaged but vital oil facility and pushing his zone of control further along the main coastal highway running from rebel territory to the capital, Tripoli.

The rebel hospital in the eastern town of Brega said four were confirmed dead in the fighting, 35 were wounded and 65 were missing.

The international Red Cross said dozens of civilians have been wounded or killed in recent days in grueling battles between Gaddafi's army and the opposition.

"We need help from the international community, but we just hear promises," said Mohammed Ali Al Zuaiee, a 48-year-old rebel fighter. "They are doing nothing."

Shells hit a series of buildings as Gaddafi's tanks moved further along the coast road than they have been since the rebels seized most of the country's east.

The main hospital in Ras Lanouf was hit by artillery or an airstrike and the rebels are pulling their staff out and evacuating patients to the towns of Brega and Ajdabiya, said Gebril Hewada, a doctor on the opposition's health committee in the main eastern city of Benghazi. He said no staffers were hurt but he didn't know about patients.

The retreat was a major setback on a day of rebel victory on the diplomatic front. France became the first country to formally recognize the rebels' newly created Interim Governing Council, saying it planned to exchange ambassadors after President Nicolas Sarkozy met with two representatives of the group based in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi.

"It breaks the ice," said Mustafa Gheriani, an opposition spokesman. "We expect Italy to do it, and we expect England to do it."
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Zeina Karam in Cairo, John Heilprin in Geneva, Elaine Ganley in Paris, Don Melvin in Brussels and Alan Clendenning in Madrid contributed to this report.

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Reports the AP:

The Obama administration extended its Libya sanctions to more Gadhafi family members and close advisers on Thursday, blacklisting business with the Libyan leader's wife, four of his children and his chief of military intelligence.

The Treasury Department froze the assets of nine Libyans in all as part of the strategy to peel off Moammar Gadhafi's closest advisers while punishing those who remain loyal to the regime even as it commits human rights violations.

The sanctions come on top of those previously announced by the administration, which accounted for $32 billion in Libyan government assets blocked in the United States.

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French President Nicolas Sarkozy has called for airstrikes against Gaddafi forces if the leader attacks civilians. According to the Guardian:

Nicolas Sarkozy has called for targeted air strikes against Muammar Gaddafi's regime if his forces use chemical weapons or launch air strikes against civilians.

As the EU foreign policy chief, Lady Ashton, warned that a no-fly zone could risk civilian lives in Libya, the French president told an emergency EU summit in Brussels that air strikes may soon be justified.

"The strikes would be solely of a defensive nature if Mr Gaddafi makes use of chemical weapons or air strikes against non-violent protesters," Sarkozy said. The French president qualified his remarks by saying he had many reservations about military intervention in Libya "because Arab revolutions belong to Arabs".

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A Dutch helicopter crew taken captive in Libya has been freed and sent to Greece. The BBC is reporting:

The two men and one woman arrived in Athens on a Greek military transport plane hours after a son of Muammar Gaddafi announced their release.

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi said Libya would hold on to the crew's Lynx helicopter.

The woman pilot, Yvonne Niersman, took part in a mission last year to free a German ship from Somali pirates.

Ms Niersman and her fellow crew members were captured in Libya after flying in from the Dutch warship Tromp, anchored off the coast.

Read the entire report here.

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Senator John McCain praised Morocco's King Mohammed VI for his pledge to introduce democratic reforms. According to the AFP:

"This new reform agenda builds on the king's long-standing commitment to lead Morocco to a future of reform and modernization, and it could ensure that the Kingdom of Morocco will continue to stand as a positive example to governments across the Middle East and North Africa," said McCain.

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Reuters is reporting that Gaddafi is now offering to offer amnesty to those rebels who lay own arms.

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The AP reports:

Tunisia's Interior Ministry says a new eruption of violence between police and protesters has killed two people and injured 20.

The ministry says on its Facebook page that police fired tear gas and demonstrators threw stones and gasoline bombs.

The statement says two protesters were killed in the incident in Metlaoui, a mining town in the center of the Mediterranean country.

The violence comes as Tunisia's interim government is trying to restore stability after deadly protests that drove out longtime leader Zine El Abidine Ben Ali in January. That prompted uprisings around the Arab world.

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Berlusconi is saying that the West may have made a mistake by taking a hardline against Gaddafi, which may have backed the Libyan leader into a corner. Reports Reuters:

The hardline stance taken by major powers against Muammar Gaddafi may have backed the Libyan leader into a corner and prevented a quiet exit, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said on Friday. Speaking after a special meeting of EU leaders, Berlusconi, one of Gaddafi's closest friends in Europe until the current upheaval, said the chances of persuading him to give up power voluntarily now appeared to have disappeared.

"Once someone put forward the idea of bringing Gaddafi before the International Criminal Court, I think the idea of staying in power became entrenched with him and I don't think anyone can make him change his mind," he told reporters.

Read the entire report here.

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The AP is reporting that the rebels fighting Gaddafi forces are amateurs, but deeply committed to the cause:

Moammar Gadhafi has ruled Libya since long before the 25-year-old was born, and he hates the dictator enough to risk his life by fighting for the ragtag rebel force battling government troops along a desolate highway on the North African country's Mediterranean coast.

"I will fight forever. I will die or win, like Omar Mukhtar," said Salem, invoking the legendary Libyan hero who fought Italian occupiers in the 1930s, was ultimately executed, and has become a symbol for the new revolutionaries.

The front-line force trying to advance toward Gadhafi's stronghold in the capital Tripoli is surprisingly small. Not counting supporters who bolster them in the towns along their path, it is estimated at 1,500 at most — Libyans from all walks of life, from students and coffeeshop owners to businessmen who picked up whatever weapons they could and joined the fight. No one seems to know their full size, and they could be picking up new members all the time.

Its ramshackle nature explains the dramatic lurches the fighting has taken. Last week, they took control over a stretch of Mediterranean coastal land that included major oil installations in the ports of Brega and Ras Lanouf. They charged enthusiastically further west, reaching within a few dozen miles of Gadhafi's hometown of Sirte, a bastion of support for the leader of 41 years.

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Reports the AP:

Moammar Gadhafi's regime has gained momentum with the capture of a key city near Tripoli after days of fierce fighting with rebels.

The battle for Zawiya has emerged as a key test in the government's ability to maintain its hold on the Libyan capital and surrounding areas.

The government had claimed victory on Wednesday, but the rebels who are seeking to oust Gadhafi said fighting was ongoing.

An Associated Press reporter, who was escorted with other journalists into the city on Friday, says the main square that had been the center of resistance is clearly in government control.

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Obama noted all of the sanctions and property seizures that have already been implemented against Gaddafi, saying, "Across the board, we are tightening the noose on Gaddafi." He says that NATO is discussing potential military actions in Libya, including a no-fly zone, and will meet on Tuesday. He said that a position will be created for a liaison to speak with Libyan opposition groups. He said that the international community had moved quickly to isolate Gaddafi.

Obama said that no options have been taken off the table so far. In response to a question about whether it would ever be acceptable to the U.S. for Gaddafi to stay in power, Obama stated that "it is in the U.S.' interest and the interest of the Libyan people for Gaddafi to leave." He added, however, that when making a decision to engage militarily, he would weigh the "costs and benefits."

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President Obama will speak today on the unrest in the Middle East and North Africa. You can watch live above.

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The AP is reporting that a quarter of a million people have left Libya:

A quarter million people have fled Libya since the uprising against Moammar Gadhafi's regime began last month, officials said Friday, as they warned they are having trouble getting foreign workers home.

About 6,000 people a day are still crossing into Tunisia and Egypt, many of them Bangladeshi workers who need longer flights, said Mohammed Abdiker, the International Organization for Migration's operation director.

"If the majority continue to be Bangladeshis needing long haul charter flights to get home, the cost to repatriate them will far exceed our current resources," he said.

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Reports the AP:

Eyewitnesses say Yemeni security forces opened fire on demonstrators taking part in protests throughout Yemen in what appears to be the biggest turnout in a month of unrest to demand regime change.

In the southern port city of Aden, the witnesses say security forces shot at demonstrators trying rip down photographs of President Ali Abdullah Saleh. Six protesters were wounded, one seriously, said one medic.

Read the entire report here.

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Bill Clinton has voiced his support for a no-fly zone, a policy that has not yet been adopted by the Obama administration. According to Bloomberg:

The U.S. should support a no-fly zone over Libya to help underequipped insurgents fighting to topple well-armed and well-paid troops loyal to dictator Muammar Qaddafi, former U.S. president Bill Clinton said.

“They are not asking for ground troops, they don’t want us to get in the fight,” Clinton said of the insurgents at a conference in New York yesterday on the status of women. “Nobody wants to see an arms race in Libya, but it’s not a fair fight.”

Clinton said he was “sympathetic” to the Obama administration’s desire not to enforce a no-fly zone alone. Clinton noted that similar efforts had worked in the past, both in Bosnia and Iraq during his own presidency.

You can read the entire report here.

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Reuters reports:

@ Reuters : FLASH: Libyan rebel sources tell Reuters Gaddafi forces have withdrawn from central residential area of Ras Lanuf

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Al Jazeera reports:

And the diplomatic games continue. British prime minister David Cameron and French president Nicolas Sarkozy write to EU president Herman Van Rompuy, stating their commitment to "the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and national unity of Libya". Parts of it do seem to be a statement of intent toward further politcal - and military - action.

We welcome the formation of an Interim Transitional National Council based in Benghazi and we are engaging with the Council and its members to develop a cooperative dialogue ...

We support continued planning to be ready to provide support for all possible contingencies as the situation evolves on the basis of demonstrable need, a clear legal basis and firm regional support. This could include a no-fly zone or other options against air attacks, working with Allies and partners, especially those in the region. We are working together on elements of an appropriate UN Security Council resolution.

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@ bencnn : Anti-Qaddafi forces advising civilians leave the Al-Brega area concerned government forces will continue eastward advance. #Libya

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Further to our last update, the UK's Spectator magazine has echoed concerns that Col Gaddafi may be on the path to victory in Libya. The magazine warns:

If Gaddafi does emerge from this conflict victorious, then he will surely exact the most terrible vengeance on those parts of the country and those tribes that have risen up against him.

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Reuters reports:

U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said on Thursday that the better-equipped forces of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi will over the long term prevail.

Clapper is facing calls for his resignation as a result of his remarks. Fox reports:

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., called for Clapper to resign or be fired as Director of National Intelligence, citing his comments before the Senate Armed Services Committee this morning, on which Graham sits.

Graham told Cameron that he lacks confidence in Clapper's understanding of his job, that President Obama should "repudiate" Clapper's remarks, and that this is the third time Clapper has faltered in this way.

"Three strikes and you're out," Graham said.

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It's become unclear who's controlling the Libyan Embassy in Washington, D.C.: the ambassador, who defected from Gaddafi, or his second in command, who appears not have changed his allegiance. Foreign Policy reports:

The Libyan embassy office, which is guarded by uniformed secret service guards and armed private security, shows no indications that there has been any change in Libya whatsoever. A large picture of Qaddafi hangs on the wall in between the green regime flag and the flag of the United States. A stack of copies of Qaddafi's manifesto, known as The Green Book, sits on the table. Embassy officers file in and out, as if going about their regular business.

Eventually, an embassy staffer came past. Gracious but uncomfortable, she said that Fatih was out of the office for a few days on "personal business." Asked who was in charge of the embassy, Aujali or Fatih, she responded, "It's very confusing, even to us."

Read more here.

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The AP has this report on today's intense fighting. The rebels they spoke with said that they needed support from the international community, but so far have received "only promises."

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The AP is reporting that a witness said that Saudi forces opened fire on protesters:

Saudi police have opened fire at a rally in the kingdom's east in an apparent escalation of efforts to stop planned protests.

Government officials have warned they will take strong action if activists take to the streets after increasing calls for large protests around the oil-rich kingdom to press for democratic reforms.

A witness in the eastern city of Qatif says gunfire and stun grenades were fired at several hundred protesters marching in the city streets Thursday. The witness, speaking on condition of anonymity because he feared government reprisal, said police in the area opened fire. The witness saw at least one protester injured.

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Clinton will meet with Libyan rebel leaders. Al Jazeera English reports:

Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, is to meet with leaders of Libya's opposition council during a trip to the Middle East next week, she has told US lawmakers.

Clinton's statement of intent comes as France on Thursday became the first major European country to recognise Libya's opposition National Council based in Benghazi as the country's legitimate representative.

"We are reaching out to the opposition inside and outside of Libya," Clinton said while announcing her trip to Tunisia and Egypt.

"I will be meeting with some of those figures, both in the United States and when I travel next week, to discuss what more the United States and others can do," she said.

Read more here.

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BBC News reports:

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi confirms they have freed three Dutch soldiers seized last month during a failed attempt to evacuate two civilians by navy helicopter. "We tell them don't come back again without our permission," Col Gaddafi's son tells Reuters. "This is Libya, not Netherlands. So we release them… but we're still keeping the army helicopter."

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Al Jazeera reports:

It seems that the various homes of the Gaddafi family around the world are becoming the focus of renewed solidarity protests. Danish police have moved to block plans for a giant party at Gaddafi's US$2.6million villa near Copenhagen.

The Facebook page set up as an open invitation to the March 25 bash had received 3,700 "confirmed attendees" within days. But police in the upmarket Gentofte suburb said they would also turn up. Danish police told the AFP news agency:

"They do not have the authorisation, so they might as well stop planning it, because there won't be a party. If they try, we'll be there."

This follows news that an activist group in England calling themselves 'Topple The Tyrants' is squatting in Saif Gaddafi's luxury mansion there.

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BBC News reports

At a meeting in the Saudi Arabian capital Riyadh, six Gulf Arab states from the Gulf Co-operation Council vow in a statement to deal "decisively and immediately, without hesitation" against any threat to the security of any of the oil-rich monarchies, where calls for democratic reform have been mounting.

This comes the day after Saudi Arabia's foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, said that the ruling family will "cut off any finger" that is raised against it.

The AP reports that the wave of uprisings in the Arab world has inspired activists from Saudi Arabia's Shiite Muslim minority, who have called for a "Day of Rage" on Friday to demand the regime's ouster. The government accuses Shiites from outside the country of spurring the protests.

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@ ShababLibya : The students have now taken the green flag down and put up the independence flag at the Libyan embassy in London #Libya #Feb17

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This extended report from Al Jazeera, gives an excellent overview of the current international attitude towards establishing a no-fly zone over Libya, and then features a panel discussion with diplomatic experts.

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@ haynesdeborah : Rebels no where to be seen in centre of Zawiyah. Major clean up operation going on. Green flags everywhere

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The AP reports that Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton is to visit the Middle East next week, traveling to Egypt and Tunisia and meeting with Libyan opposition members.

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09:40 AM on 03/12/2011
All the arguments for not getting involved have a point. On the other hand waiting for the Arab League or African Union to act is like waiting for Godot given that all of these countries are controlled by their own version of Gaddafi. After Gulf War One the Shi'ites rose up in southern Iraq and were massacred. The West did nothing for 10 years and by the time Gulf War II came around the people of Southern Iraq learned that West wont help them so their turned to Iran. If the people of Libya are betrayed, who will they turn to, Al-Qaeda?
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Mark128
11:18 AM on 03/11/2011
Because the USA has the authority to impose a no-fly zone which is in fact an act of war? Because we can expand a war into Libya and afford to do so? Hiow much money will this cost an already bankrupt nation? Is this authorized by International Law or the War Powers Resolution? Can the US afford to get involved? How many bombs will the US need to drop in order to establish a no-fly zone? Can Obama do this without Congressional approval? WTF?
10:00 AM on 03/11/2011
How come when Hamas attacks Israel with rockets, they're described as "small, crude, homemade, inaccurate, and mostly harmless" - and when Libya shoots rockets at their own citizens, it's described as a "withering rain"?
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
11:19 AM on 03/11/2011
I get your point, but I think it's the volume of fire concentrated in a much smaller area that makes for withering.
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Peter Combs
Amused by the illogical..no, NOT a Republican
09:46 AM on 03/11/2011
Clinton is recent years has said his biggest mistkae while in office was not interviening in Rwanda whihc resulted in the deaths of over 700,000 people....

Perhaps Mr. Obama might step out front on this and be the stimulus for preventing a massacre here...his speeches aren;t enough....
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Jahoda
09:05 PM on 03/13/2011
How many other Arab countries should we invade? Yemen is seeing revolution too. Saudi Arabia is brewing up. Protests in Iran. How about Egypt? When is enough enough? What is the difference between this and Iraq or Afghanistan?
09:31 AM on 03/11/2011
The West twiddles its thumbs as people die. Lives are not as important as oil.
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Peter Combs
Amused by the illogical..no, NOT a Republican
09:47 AM on 03/11/2011
don;'t forget, this is an African country....the US never does anything there...NEVER...
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JavanSClark
10:42 AM on 03/11/2011
The average white Christian (aka GoP) voter would be enraged if we help a country on a continent filled with dark skinned people... unless we commit a little genocide on the side.
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Jahoda
09:07 PM on 03/13/2011
How about the east? What is China and South Korea doing about it?
09:23 AM on 03/11/2011
Yes a no fly-zone may HELP the rebels, but we will only be fighting along side them as long as the war goes on, and then after it ended they would turn the guns on us. Let them take this fight themselves we have no reason or excuse to go in there...don't we learn anything from Iraq and Afghanistan? And we are STILL there. .
garystartswithg
el sueno de la razon produce republicans
09:29 AM on 03/11/2011
Our intentions in Iraq and Afghansitan were less than sincere.
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Jahoda
09:09 PM on 03/13/2011
What is the difference between Iraq and Libya? Both run by strongmen who oppressed their people and both with an abundance of oil.

Explain to me how invading Libya for regime change would be more sincere.
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fishretired
10:32 AM on 03/11/2011
We always act too slowly. A few well placed missiles would change everything - no boots on the ground needed. The difficulty that the White House is peddling is embarassing. Really, you think its that hard for us to impact a medieval countries military capabilities. If so, I think we are done...
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
10:52 AM on 03/11/2011
How many targeting what?
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VeryGrood
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08:54 AM on 03/11/2011
"U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said on Thursday that the better-equipped forces of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi will over the long term prevail."

And Graham is calling for his resignation?

The Director of National Intelligence states the obvious- that a well armed, well organized force will defeat a group of rebels? And he's wrong? And the only support that hypothesis has is "Because Lindsey Graham says so?"

Has Lindsey Graham ever been correct? About anything? Mr. Graham- if '3 strikes and your out' is the saying you want to use, then you've been on the losing end of a perfect game.
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
11:17 AM on 03/11/2011
There isn't any one intel opinion. Most of the intel community didn't sense Mubarak would go down, few even sensed he was in serious trouble.

I respect Clapper's judgment, but rag tag rebels do defeat well armed, well organized forces on occasion. The Arab Revolt did rather well against the Turks in WWI, but of course there are major differences with respect to the Libyan uprising. Still, Libyan gov. forces aren't all that well armed or well organized, so that nudges the odds. A lot is going to depend upon the quality of leadership among the anti Kadhafi forces and the loyalty of Kadhafi's subordinates. The quality of the rebel vs gov forces seems great right now, but I suspect the differences to diminish the longer the fight continues. By the way Clapper is calling for a long fight.
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Jahoda
09:11 PM on 03/13/2011
Somehow I don't think Lindsey Graham is the problem in Libya.
whychooseaside
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05:09 AM on 03/11/2011
Out of all news, this one seems to be swept underneath a rug.
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Ergon
Man From Atlan
08:24 AM on 03/11/2011
Earthquake, Tsunami in Japan.
Libyan news cycle over.
09:31 AM on 03/11/2011
Next story to feed the frenzy . . .
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Peter Combs
Amused by the illogical..no, NOT a Republican
09:48 AM on 03/11/2011
Americans have the attention spans of nine year olds...they always have...
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Jahoda
09:11 PM on 03/13/2011
Except for you of course
04:06 AM on 03/11/2011
i voted for Obama and high high hopes that he could set things right. but the man has no stomach for the hard decisions he is a community organizer some one who is used to seeking compromises between groups. he has yet to learn that in some cases you can not compromise you have to act. he is unable to do that. i do think he is a basically sincere man and very intelligence but he does not have the spine to be president. it is time for the democrats to look for somebody like Grayson or Dean to run in 2012.
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Peter Combs
Amused by the illogical..no, NOT a Republican
09:51 AM on 03/11/2011
he's an appeaser.....its in his nature...which anyone new who looked at his speeches and brief voting record in the Senate.... He speaks in ideology, but is really a gutless coward.
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ddanimal
12:40 AM on 03/11/2011
MQ wont be able to make progress in indigenous rebel areas. His forces will become bogged town and it will become a guerrilla war.
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French Toast
MAPLE SYRUP
12:29 AM on 03/11/2011
John Bohener should inform the rebels that we are out of money, flat broke.
Tell him we're here to usher in a new era...of fiscal conservatism. I'm sure they'll understand.

The time for No Fly Zone is now, if ever. Whatever we do, let us not be silent. Make the decision already no matter which way we go so they know where we stand.
09:32 AM on 03/11/2011
Silence is golden.
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Jahoda
09:13 PM on 03/13/2011
Why do you want to get involved in another war in the Muslim world? It's none of your business and it's none of my business. Let them settle it.
11:31 PM on 03/10/2011
Barack Obama = Neville Chamberlain
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songoftherushes
I can think, I can wait, and I can fast
11:34 PM on 03/10/2011
Only if you think this is about to turn into WWIII.
12:06 AM on 03/11/2011
Just as bad. The rhetoric of the United States since the end of WWII was about democracy and the rights of peoples to determine their own destinies. The US has fully abandoned any actions behind their rhetoric. Al Qaeda and others will now be free to exploit this obvious lack of core values. Paper tiger indeed.
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cornel
wuf wuf
12:15 AM on 03/11/2011
Hear, hear .... Right to the point F & F
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jwmellott
10:48 PM on 03/10/2011
It's just about over.
There won't be a no fly zone.
It's an act of war, and few if any
European countries want to go to
war over Libya. We'll get our oil
from M.Q. and that's that.
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Francois Bergeron
seeking sense
04:19 AM on 03/11/2011
Lybia supplies europe.
Lybia will supply Europe whoever wins.
There is no time to get in there for the US. France is doing the right thing. Europe should lead here.
09:33 AM on 03/11/2011
Where are the other arabian nations?
10:42 PM on 03/10/2011
More of a question than a comment. I'm glad that France has recognized the rebels as the legitamate government of Libya. However unless something is done and very soon the members of that government and their families will all be buried in mass graves with bullets in their heads. So my question is why is france recognizing a bunch of people as a ligit goverment who will very soon be dead. You would think that if, i hope not, that the rebels all get wiped out that Sarkozi and France would look like a fools to offically recognize a goverment only to sit by and watch them get executed 2 weeks later. My only answer is that they possibly have something planned to see that the rebels don't get wiped out.
11:53 PM on 03/10/2011
I've kind of seen similarly, it's a question of timing and something needs to be going on behind the scenes for the Rebels to have a chance. Time is of the essence. This war is why civil wars can be so brutal, especially if mercenaries are being brought in. Horrendous situation. I think the Rebels are taking it real hard now.
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Francois Bergeron
seeking sense
11:46 AM on 03/11/2011
There must be lots of things going on behind the scenes.
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
08:54 AM on 03/11/2011
It's important to keep in mind that the forces engaged on both sides have been small. Reports I've indicate Kadhafi drove the anti gov. forces out of Ras Lanouf with 4 battalions, likely about 2000-3000 men give or take. The rebellion had roughly the same.

Libya is a large country with it's major axis of movement along the coastline. Lots of opportunity for fluid warfare if you can manage the logistics, things bog when you can't. This was an active region in WWII with big movements in both directions.

Don't count the rebels out yet.
whychooseaside
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10:42 PM on 03/10/2011
The guys at FEB17.info have published this important announcement:

Dear Fellow Libyans in the US and Canada:

We need your support for the call to recognize the National Transitional Council in Libya as the sole legitimate representative of the Libyan people by signing the support statement here and if possible attending the planned press conference. Attached below is the formal press release in Arabic and English.

Press Conference:

What: Call for Recognition of National Transitional Council in Libya
When: Friday, March 11, 2:30 p.m.
Where: National Press Club, National Press Building, First Amendment Room, 529 14th Street NW, Washington, DC
Attendance: Open to all Libyans from the US and Canada
Please visit http://northamericanlibyans.org to read and sign the Statement. Please pass this call to all your Libyan friends and encourage them to do the same.