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First Women's VFW Post Unites Female Vets On Family, Employment Concerns

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CAROLYN THOMPSON   03/12/11 01:33 PM ET   AP

WEST SENECA, N.Y. — As one of the few female officers in New York's Veterans of Foreign Wars organization, Marlene Roll heard the questions all the time: Why don't more women join the VFW? How can we change that?

As she set out to start the nation's first female VFW post, it turned out the answers had to do not only with gender, but generation.

"For years, it was really a loss for me as to what the issues were, why women weren't coming in," said Roll, a former sergeant in the Army Reserves who served in Desert Shield and Desert Storm before joining the VFW in 1991.

She found that women returning from war to juggle jobs, kids and continuing training aren't looking for a place to view their military service in the rear-view mirror, like the servicemen from past generations who make up the bulk of membership in the nation's oldest and largest combat veterans' organization.

And those "men's clubs" weren't necessarily the place for female discussions about current issues like breast cancer concerns from war-zone burn pits.

"I really hated the idea of putting the glass ceiling back in place by giving (women) their own post," said Roll, Erie County's Veterans Service Agency director. "But on the other hand, if they didn't have a place to go, they were never going to become members."

The Dorothy Kubik/Katherine Galloway Post 12097 in suburban Buffalo was created with the idea of anticipating and addressing female veterans' needs for things like health care, employment and education, though men have been included from the start.

Kubik in 1987 became the first female commander of a New York state veterans post. She'd been an Army private during WWII, decoding Japanese messages as part of the Signal Intelligence Service. Galloway was WWII nurse.

Before the post's monthly meeting on a recent Sunday afternoon, two little girls busied themselves with Hello Kitty coloring books and Barbie dolls at a folding table where a young boy did homework. Children are welcome at the meetings; child care is one of the challenges the members face.

"The guys that belong to the older posts, some of them have been out (of the military) for 40 years, 50 years, so their focus is on something totally different," said Renee DeRouche, the post's commander. Like some of the other members here, she's still on active duty, as a property book officer with the National Guard.

The post has about 50 members from every conflict going back to Korea. About two-thirds are women, with some of their husbands are among the men filling out the ranks. Without a building of its own, the fledgling post meets at West Seneca Post 8113, a single story hall with a bar, banquet rooms and an outdoor pavilion.

With a strong focus on family, its leaders say it's only a matter of time before more posts like theirs crop up, especially now that women account for 15 percent of the military – more than ever before – and as the military moves toward permitting women to serve fully in front-line combat unit.

The other big veterans group, the American Legion, has not seen any women-oriented posts open but women do command some posts and the number of female veterans joining the organization is growing, spokesman Craig Roberts said.

Nationally, the VFW launched a "She Serves" membership campaign in 2008, encouraging women to join the organization as a way to network and keep up with female veterans and their issues. It's also assigned a chairwoman to every state to be in contact with women veterans, Roll said. The chairwomen will meet at a Washington legislative conference this month to compare notes.

"We're trying to put forth a robust effort to recruit women," said Jerry Newberry, a spokesman for the VFW. "We recognize their service to our country. We recognize their talent, their skills, their knowledge."

The national organization does not keep track of the gender breakdown among its 1.6 million members, he said, but is mindful of the hesitation of some women to join. The VFW, open to veterans who have served in an overseas war zone, traces its roots to 1899, when it was created to advocate on behalf of veterans and foster camaraderie.

"Perception and tradition are tough things to change," Newberry said. "Certainly, there is probably a perception that it's a men's club of sorts and we're doing our best to break a tradition that previously existed for many, many years that women VFW members are few and far between."

As a longtime VFW member since the 1970s, Bob Clark has seen the shift away from membership in general, which only reinforces the perceptions.

"It's a culture shift," said Clark, who has 40 years of military service, including in Vietnam and Iraq. Among veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan, he said, "there's not a lot of joiners and participators now. They've also got a whole bunch of other things in their lives so they don't show up. So what you end up with is male-oriented VFWs that tend to have older members whose focus isn't current events."

He joined post 12097 with his wife, Sue, who returned from Iraq in May 2010, and in support of his daughter, who is serving in Afghanistan with the Army.

"This group, because it's women of a younger age, all who are combat veterans, have a much more current focus," Clark said. "They are socially conscious and they are interested in supporting each other and making sure that people have their medical needs and their psychological needs taken care of."

JoAnn Kelsch was drawn to the post as a way to reconnect with women and veterans after serving in the Air Force from 1985 to 2008.

"I really like the mission," she said while attending her first meeting. "I saw here there was awareness in wanting to make it right for women."

The biggest hurdle so far in the post's young existence is fundraising, a staple of the organization's mission that enables it to help veterans and other community organizations. Since launching last summer, the post has yet to hold a fundraiser because the time to organize and pull one off is in short supply among the membership. Roll and DeRouche hope volunteers come forward as auxiliary members to help out.

Meanwhile, the post's leaders continue to field questions about their group, but have heard of no imminent plans for other women-focused chapters.

"They're interested but they're waiting to see what happens," DeRouche said. "I think in the next year or two you're going to see more of it."

"There's no reason to go backwards," she said.

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WEST SENECA, N.Y. — As one of the few female officers in New York's Veterans of Foreign Wars organization, Marlene Roll heard the questions all the time: Why don't more women join the VFW? How c...
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09:41 PM on 03/26/2011
"The other big veterans group, the American Legion, has not seen any women-oriented posts open but women do command some posts and the number of female veterans joining the organization is growing, spokesman Craig Roberts said."
Not true! There are at least three all-female American Legion posts in the US, including the post that I am a member of, American Legion Post 644 of Cincinnati, OH.
Other than than, I salute my fellow Sisters-In Arms!

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11:06 PM on 03/15/2011
Thanks ladies!
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06:16 AM on 03/15/2011
Dressing up and saluting; those are two of the very things I hated about being in the military.
I have my ex-military friends, but I don't feel any need to hang out with a bunch of strangers who want to wear funny hats and salute one another.
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Soaplady
03:14 PM on 03/14/2011
I hate to say this but every VFW hall that I've ever been close to REEKS of cigarette smoke and has a lot of drinking. Not for me, and I am a woman vet. Then again, maybe the women will clean them up??!!
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04:15 PM on 03/14/2011
I agree with you SoapLady....our American Legion post is the same way. I'm a woman vet too....and when my husband and I first joined the post (he's a vet too), I tried hard to get involved and make a difference. I even volunteered to be the post Adjutant, but after a year of banging my head against the wall of "we've always done it this way" I gave up. The cheap beer is the biggest draw and some drink until they're stumbling. No wonder its hard to recruit new members, especially women.
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Soaplady
10:58 AM on 03/16/2011
Where are you at, Gray Mare? If you're in the south, I can surely relate.
06:00 PM on 03/14/2011
The VFW post I (male) infrequently visit has been divided into smoking and non-smoking sections with the non-smoking area the first entered so those who do smoke do not have to pass through the smoking area. The post provides for men and women veterans (about 10%). The ratio of male to female vets seems to be about the same (90% male/10% female) in each segregated area.

Many veterans (male and female) do not like the smoke. Get together with them and suggest segregating the areas and enhancing ventalation in the smoking section. It can be done relatively inexpensively and works well.

Drinking is a VFW and American Legion norm and I doubt there is much you can do about it. If you do not like it, you may not want to be there. That is the primary reason I do not frequent the post more often.
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10:57 AM on 03/16/2011
I am a recovering alcoholic, the booze is what "masked" my PTSD for many years. I do not like to be around drunks and sadly, you see a lot of them at VFW's. I live in a small town now, don't want to have to deal with getting everybody to "segregate" a smoking area. I live in the deep south, lots of drinking/smoking by folks who don't seem to know any better or care.
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02:24 PM on 03/14/2011
I have a dear friend who is a vet of the current Iraq war and we were just speaking of the intense need for more women's vet groups around the country. The issues faced by female vets deserves our attention and our commitment. I hope this effort spreads.
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02:07 PM on 03/14/2011
The VFW has always been a Mens Club for Veterans. About time they now have the same for Women Vets, I Salute you Marlene Roll and all Women Vets who served our country. I am a vet myself and believe that all vets whether female or male should have someplace to go to talk, hangout or whatever with there fellow vets. It's what helps all to cope with what we did and saw.
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07:56 PM on 03/15/2011
Kudos.....I am a Disabled Vet and a former Club Steward for an American Legion. I openly support the idea of a Womans VFW, woman has been shoved to the back of the rooms far too often in the VFW and American Legion. Woman deserve to have their own place so that they can deal with what happened to them and they can network to help themselves just like the Men do.
Most people who think that the American Legion and the VFW is nothing but a smoke filled bar, have never invested the time to find out what the Legion or the VFW can do to help ALL Vets.
Way to go Ladies, I solute you.
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11:26 AM on 03/16/2011
F and F pita143. All Vets need to help each other. We performed a Great Service to our country. They are not going to help us. It's a shame sometimes that we can't even help ourselves because of gender. I Salute ALL OF OUR VETS. OORAH