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Are 82 Percent Of U.S. Schools Really 'Failing'?

Obama No Child Left Behind

The Associated Press   03/15/11 07:20 PM ET   AP

President Barack Obama declared this week that four of five public schools could be labeled as "failing" this year under the No Child Left Behind Act if Congress does not take action to rewrite the law.

"That's an astonishing number," he said Monday at a Virginia middle school. "We know that four out of five schools in this country aren't failing."

Obama's terminology wasn't quite right, though. There is no "failing" label in the No Child Left Behind Act. And schools that do not meet growth targets – aimed at getting 100 percent of students proficient in math, reading and science by 2014 – for one year are not subject to any intervention.

Those unable to do so for two or more consecutive years are considered "in need of improvement." The consequences then become stiffer each year, starting with offering students an opportunity to attend another school, and escalating if the targets remain unmet.

For those schools, there's at least the implication of failure, and that's one reason Obama says the 2001 law needs to be changed. There are many ways for a school to fall short of its requirements, even if most of its students are improving and succeeding. A school where all but one group of students are considered proficient in reading, science and math would be lumped into the same category as schools where no students are proficient in those subjects.

The Department of Education says the number of schools that fail to meet the annual proficiency goals could jump from 37 to 82 percent this year. That would include schools that have not met the requirements for just one year.

"Everyone knew this day was coming," Education Department spokesman Justin Hamilton said. "Now that it is upon us, we need to have an open, honest debate about the consequences of a law that could label four out of five schools as failing."

Education experts interviewed by The Associated Press said it was reasonable to expect some increase as the 2014 proficiency deadline nears, but that it's misleading for the administration to say the law would label all these schools as "failing." They also question the magnitude of the projected jump, saying it seems too large.

"That's a huge difference," said Tom Loveless, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. "Over the history of NCLB, that percentage has not moved so much. So why would it suddenly more than double?"

Officials say part of the increase is driven by states that waited to raise their student proficiency levels until the final years before 2014. Loveless said there is merit to that claim, but he questioned why the Department of Education doesn't back up its assertion by releasing a spreadsheet showing, state by state, how often and to what degree that has occurred.

"Even then, they are making assumptions about how the kids are going to score this year and they haven't taken the test," he said.

Patrick McGuinn, an education professor at Drew University, said it is reasonable to project an increase in schools not making adequate yearly progress, but that it would be difficult to project by how much.

He noted that schools have a safe harbor provision that allows them to be held out of the "needs improvement" category if they are showing progress, and they also could ask for waivers. Hamilton said that provision was taken into consideration in the department's calculation.

Granting the waivers, however, would take pressure off Congress to do a full reauthorization this year. McGuinn suspects there are political purposes behind the administration's dire tone.

"They're really trying to highlight this and use it as a prod for Congress to get moving," McGuinn said.

Former Education Secretary Margaret Spellings, who served under President George W. Bush when the federal law was implemented, said she estimated half of schools would fail to meet federal standards this year, and she suggested all the conjecturing was demoralizing to educators.

"It's obviously a political tactic," she said.

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07:03 PM on 03/24/2011
82% of US schools are failing? So the answer to this problem is to open charter schools and do away with PUBLIC EDUCATION?
05:45 AM on 03/18/2011
Why doesn't anyone explain that every state makes different rules? In Florida making AYP is next to impossible. There are a huge number of groups that must meet it and a group size is very small. Other states - in order for a group to be measured it must be huge. Then take into account that the test varies in each state. How can we measure nationally with 50 different sets of rules? Oh and a belated thank you to Jeb Bush for making Florida's requirements among the most stringent in the country. You would think they wanted public schools to look bad. hmmmm.....total privatization, anyone?
11:06 PM on 03/16/2011
If you were a kid at a school deemed "failing", would you have the strength to fight that huge label? If someone calls your family a bunch of losers, would you turn away from your family and fight to be seen as a winner or would you turn to your family in solidarity? In many areas - especially in the inner cities - school is a kid's extended family.

Demoralizing? Try utterly destructive.
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poeticjustice4all
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01:56 PM on 03/16/2011
Nobody who has been paying attention is surprised to hear that four out of five schools are failing. The writing was on the wall years ago. Sure, these schools are meeting the needs of certain types of students -- but they are not meeting the needs of all their students. That's why so many fought for NCLB to begin with.

And nobody who has been following this is surprised to now hear failed educators complaining that the tests are unfair or inaccurate. Complaints are not solutions.
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Venicelady
Ignorance is NOT bliss.
02:14 PM on 03/16/2011
Yet, you, yourself who often complain about failing schools and teachers offer no coherent solutions beyond simplistic statements in many of your comments.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
03:27 PM on 03/16/2011
He's paid by the corporate for profit charter school industry.
04:42 PM on 03/16/2011
I do not complain that the tests are inaccurate or unfair.

I do complain that they do not help children to learn. If we believe that 82% are still failing after all these years of NCLB, then we must realize that it isn't working as it is.

I have thought a lot about a Bob Edwards Show interview with Howard Gardner from a year or two ago. He proposed the idea that there are three needs in education... IIRC, they are ethics, engagement and enrichment.

Our wealthy students/districts need to address the idea of ethics, so we don't have more Enron/BoA/BP situations. Our inner-city students/districts need better engagement in learning. Our "middle-America" students/districts need better access to enrichment.

NCLB only addresses VERY small components of educating a child, and it penalizes inner-city and rural learners. I check HP every day, because I keep hoping someone will make a map that correlates wealth with NCLB-defined success.
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poeticjustice4all
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12:44 AM on 03/17/2011
These measures were never meant to be assessment for student learning. They were intended to verify that schools were doing what they claimed they were doing.

Years ago -- way before George Bush's name was involved -- people warned that it wasn't just the poor and urban schools that were failing to reach and teach children. The failure extended to the nice big, shiny schools that looked great on the outside, but inside, students were not learning. Well . . . some students were learning -- but not all, or even most students were actually being served.

The accountability measures were insisted upon so that parents and stakeholders outside of the system could assess the progress of schools -- not the students, the schools.

You presume that certain types of "students/districts" need certain types of education. We aim to do away with such a system.
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jtabs
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12:21 PM on 03/16/2011
It's debatable that the No Child Left Behind Act can say what the failure rate is and before you can claim failure you need to define success and once you define success then you can begin to attack problems and while I believe that there should be national standards I doubt that a national, one size fits all, solution is practical much less possible. Public education in this country is poor at best and probably always has been as its goal was an average education for the masses (with added curriculum for above average and some, but not much, for the disadvantaged and/or disabled), but in the past at least there was opportunity to strive for higher education as prices within the reach of the masses which is no longer true today (i know children out of school over twenty years still trying to pay off student loans).
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SofaKing22
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12:17 PM on 03/16/2011
Those that keep boasting about China, Japan, or any other Asian country need to realize that it's not how much money they are on education in those countries. The difference there is cultural and not financial. So there is no comparison. Their values are totally different than most of the students in the US. Maybe if everyone valued education as a privilege instead of an entitlement we would be performing just as well.
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02:08 PM on 03/16/2011
F&F
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03:10 PM on 03/16/2011
You are indeed, the SofaKing!

Fanned!

It's a shame the 'geeks' get picked on in this country. In other countries, children honor their families and countries by doing well in school. It's our mindset that has to be changed.
Vinnster
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11:45 AM on 03/16/2011
Progressives have been in complete and total control of the school systems for the last 40 years...When the Department of Education was created wise folks at the time (none Progressives) predicted this result. They were right.
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maninal2
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03:28 PM on 03/16/2011
Wrong. Republicans state by state have been tearing at budgets for 30+ years. Try a new spin.
Vinnster
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07:06 PM on 03/16/2011
HAHAHAHAHA Then please explain OBwan...we have spent more per child and we have dropped lower and lower in academic performance. Obviously it is not a lack of dollars as you imply, but what and how it is taught that is the problem....please OBwan how is it Progressives have been blessed with more $$ per student and yet their Progressive education deteriorated???
11:10 AM on 03/16/2011
So I guess a good question would be
"Should the No Child Left Behind Act be reauthorized?"

www.matterofopinion.com
10:46 AM on 03/16/2011
lower the test qualifications like they did for the police force in Iowa F = C-
12:20 PM on 03/16/2011
They're doing the same thing in Dayton OH at the "request" of AG Holder.
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03:11 PM on 03/16/2011
OH Lord! I did my internship for a company in Dayton...I feel for the citizens.
10:05 AM on 03/16/2011
The word "failing" may not appear in the text of NCLB, but it permeated the rhetoric of those who passed it. The President was completely consistent with the language used by the proponents of this disastrous change to our education code.
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UpFromLiberalism
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09:30 AM on 03/16/2011
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hey i've got a solution, let's spend more money.

here is a chart to prove it.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/education_chart_20.html
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maninal2
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03:29 PM on 03/16/2011
Posting the same lies over and over doesn't make them true
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rylege
09:23 AM on 03/16/2011
Though there are a multitude of reasons for our sub-standard education, the main one according to many teachers, my Mother being one of them; is that PARENTS SUCK!!!!

How is a teacher supposed to expect homework from the student when the Parents could careless? It used to be a two way street, now teachers are expected to raise the child as well.
redonthehead
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09:34 AM on 03/16/2011
I wonder why, ever since the "Great Society" people have been taught that there are no consequences for their actions.

Don't work or get fired? We have unemployment and welfare.
Teen mother? No problem, the state will pay.
Father a bunch of out of wedlock children? No problem, we have programs for that.
Drop out of school or don't learn anything? No problem, we have a program for that too.
Want to work hard and succeed? You will be vilified and taxed into the ground? (How many families have two people working where one person works simply to pay tax, income and property?)
09:43 AM on 03/16/2011
You're absolutely correct. What we've created is a society of dependency. We have a lot of people who simply think that government can and must solve all of their problems for them. They have been conditioned to be reliant upon government, and not themselves, hence individual freedom and liberty have become secondary to safety and security. People don't want to work hard, or take risks anymore. A lot of them simply want to sit back, and let the government do it, without taking any responsibility.

I saw an article yesterday called "Down & Out on $250K A Year in America." In this article, it showed that a family who makes $250K is being taxed appx 50%-60% of their income when you include Federal, State, Local, Property, Sales, and Fuel taxes combined. In addition, it showed how this is a good income, but it's definitely not "rich" or lavish in any way, and yet this is always the"threshold" used to determine who needs to be taxed more.
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UpFromLiberalism
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09:51 AM on 03/16/2011
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excellent post.

Welcome to the progressive culture, where ads blare hourly about skipping out on credit card debt, shorting the IRS, and walking away from mortgages.

In the age of Obama, there is no real contractual obligation: everything from paying back bondholders to fixing a BP penalty is, well, "negotiable." When the money runs out, the law will too. Law? There is no law other than a mandated equality of result.
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maninal2
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03:36 PM on 03/16/2011
If you would use more than one brain cell at a time you'd know the primary reason for any failing school is poverty. Parenting is affected when working 3 jobs to keep a roof over your child's head that Bush said was 'uniquely American"
09:11 AM on 03/16/2011
NCLB was designed to cause all schools to "fail." It's right on track (though by "fail" we mean "fail to score above average on a standardized test).

Why is education in trouble? Just read this thread. Hundreds of posts from both sides filled with political posturing, and barely a handful of voices actually speaking seriously and thoughtfully about educating children. In such an environment, what would you expect to see happening.

The article above only feeds into that. Politicians posturing and spinning, and not a one taking a serious or thoughtful look at how to educate children.
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02:05 PM on 03/16/2011
Fanned/Faved!
09:00 AM on 03/16/2011
Lets not point out that Obama was wrong and that there is no "Fail" label.

Lets instead focuse on everyone else who misspeaks, I mean we shouldn't care what The President says or when he is wrong.
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
08:59 AM on 03/16/2011
Teachers are underpaid, my best friend is a teacher, and she moved to England to teach, she got paid three times more than what she did in america.
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rylege
09:13 AM on 03/16/2011
Getting paid more does not not mean the kids learn any better. Teachers do not get paid enough though.
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09:22 AM on 03/16/2011
Teachers are underpaid

they are paid what they are worth
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rylege
09:25 AM on 03/16/2011
Yes and no. Teachers remember now have added responsibility of take up the slack of terrible parenting. I doubt that was factored into there pay.
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maninal2
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03:36 PM on 03/16/2011
Your education speaks for itself.