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FAA Responds To Removal Of Oxygen Masks In Airplane Bathrooms

The Huffington Post   First Posted: 03/15/11 06:30 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:40 PM ET

In an article published last week, Gizmodo reported that the FAA was removing oxygen masks from 6,00 airplane bathrooms in the name of "national security."

The regulation took effect on Monday. The security threat, according to the Associated Press, has been widely reported; government officials fear that terrorists could use the oxygen from the lavatories to start a fire where no one can easily see it. Regulators quietly told the airlines to remove the masks before alerting the public for fear that thousands of planes could have been at risk.

The official FAA word initially was:

The [FAA] recently required the nation's airlines to disable the oxygen generators located in all aircraft lavatories to eliminate a potential safety and security vulnerability. [...] The FAA, along with other federal agencies, identified and validated the potential threat, then devised a solution that could be completed quickly.

The solution? Removing the oxygen masks from aircraft lavatories, to which Gizmodo writer Jesus Diaz says: "Air Worthiness Directive 2011-04-09. That's the name of a new FAA rule that might kill you one day."

When the FAA's Office of Communications approached Huffington Post Travel and asked if we had read their full release on the issue after highlighting the Gizmodo story on our page, we asked them if they could comment on Jesus Diaz's article. One such argument of Diaz's piece is in response to this paragraph in the FAA release:

Rapid decompression events on commercial aircraft are extremely rare. If there is a sudden loss of cabin pressure, pilots are already trained to guide the aircraft to a safe, breathable altitude as quickly as possible. Flight attendants are also already trained to assist passengers to quickly access oxygen--including those in the lavatories.

To which Diaz responds, "But that's not really true: According to industry experts, decompression incidents are not uncommon on both civilian or military aircraft. In fact, about 40 to 50 rapid decompression accidents occur every year throughout the world, according to a report (PDF) by the Aviation Medical Society of Australia and New Zealand."

In response to Diaz's argument, the FAA tells Huffington Post Travel, "We cannot substantiate the Australian study that said that there were 40-50 decompression events a year. We do not believe the study to be accurate."

The numbers the FAA tells us is quite different, "In the past 10 years, there have been only 12 incidents of loss of pressure at cruise altitudes and none in which cabin altitude reached an unsafe level for breathing."

The numbers of events are significant because passengers who are using the lavatory during a period of rapid decompression will have to run out of the restroom and back to their seat to receive air. When the amount of events are factored into how long it takes for a passenger to stay "usefully conscious" during various levels of decompression severity, the number of lives potentially affected swings wildly.

The FAA tells Huffington Post Travel that, "Flight attendants are trained on how to deal with emergencies, including decompression events" but they "will not discuss how a flight attendant may access the lavatory."

We also asked the FAA what other agencies were involved in the investigation and removal of the oxygen masks and their response was, "We cannot identify the agencies involved."


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02:15 PM on 04/18/2011
http://www.change.org/petitions/demand-that-the-faa-reinstall-emergency-oxygen-systems-in-airliner-lavatories

If you think this is wrong, sign the letter telling Mr Babbitt that you think so.
YOKEL13
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02:27 AM on 03/20/2011
In a couple of hundred commercial flights, I've never seen the oxygen masks deploy.
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flyjet787
Really?........REALLY?
05:40 PM on 03/18/2011
As a cabin crew member for a very large commercial airline in the U.S., I must say this is much ado about nothing. If we accept the figure that 40-50 decompressions occur each year worldwide, we need to put that into perspective. There are well over 10,000 flights every day in the U.S. alone. Many of these decompressions are of the "slow" or "leaking" variety which pose almost no threat to passengers/crew. Explosive decompressions at cruise altitude are extraordinarily rare. Now, in these rare events, how often is there someone in a lav at the exact same time? Yet, in the event of a serious decompression, Flight Attendants are trained to address passengers/coworkers who may be in lavatories. I am not at liberty to discuss specifics, but let me assure readers, I use the lavs too. If there were a real threat to my safety, I would be screaming it through the rooftops, on these comment boards, and pilot and cabin crew unions would be up in arms. The decision by the FAA to remove O2 systems from airplane lavatories is a very good one and the controversy over it is completely unfounded. I suggest redirecting focus on real aviation problems (lack of proper rest for working crew, passenger non-compliance with safety/security directions, cabin air quality, etc.).
YOKEL13
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02:21 AM on 03/20/2011
As risks go, lack of oxygen in an airplane lavatory is way down on the list. Thanks for confirming that.
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William Muller
02:35 PM on 03/16/2011
Newsflash: Pilots use washrooms too. What if a rapid decompression occurs during his/her visit to the john? Good luck to the remaining pilot in an emergency situation which a rapid decompression surely is.
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RationalCaliGirl
Vasectomies prevent abortions...
04:17 PM on 03/17/2011
That's why there is more than one pilot on planes. Emergencies.
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Computer Geek
Logician Atheist Lefty
09:42 AM on 03/16/2011
Ask them how the oxygen system in the cabin differs from that in the lavatory. If a terrorist wanted to bring down a plane and kill everyone (including themselves), why wouldn't they just tamper with the one over their head in the cabin? Why would they need to tamper with the bathroom's oxygen system? That doesn't make any sense on it's face.
03:32 PM on 03/16/2011
Really? How about this ... because in the washroom, there aren't 250 people who can see what you're doing, and if you're at the back of the plane, your seat mates and the flight attendants can spot you pretty quick. If someone is up to no good, they want to act before they get stripped and hog-tied by 250 angry angry people, don't you think?
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Computer Geek
Logician Atheist Lefty
05:37 PM on 03/16/2011
Every flight has 250 people on it? The red eye is usually pretty empty.
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Brian Gorrell
Is this the 1950's or what?
09:22 AM on 03/16/2011
I don't trust the FAA
YOKEL13
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02:23 AM on 03/20/2011
Good for you! BTW, who do you trust?
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Brian Gorrell
Is this the 1950's or what?
09:07 AM on 03/20/2011
I trust that my dog will lick my face every morning at 7am to wake me up.
She never fails.
I trust that my mother loves and adores me.
I trust that I'll be with my husband forever.
I trust that soon my morning coffee will play havoc with my stomach.
I trust that you are a happy well rounded person full of light and love.
:-)
08:51 AM on 03/16/2011
And the beat goes on, and on and on and on ..............
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MrGill
08:27 AM on 03/16/2011
If I had to guess, the "reason" has something to do with using the O2 in the enclosed space of the bathroom as an explosive. If a bad guy could figure out a way to fill that space, then light it...big boom. But then, I've been in a lavatory after some big dude did his business and the air was pretty explosive, I can tell you. o.O
12:06 PM on 03/16/2011
now that was funny
YOKEL13
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01:09 PM on 03/20/2011
Oxygen, though it supports combustion, is not itself flammable.
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MartiniVirtuoso
Outspoken on equality
08:14 AM on 03/16/2011
Why does it seem like everything the FAA does is a shell game? It's funny how we've all come to be suspicious of their actions. See a lot of the comments. Maybe it's because they haven't regulated things like inadequate safety measures by commuter airlines or inadequate maintenance of aging fleets. So the big safety issues go unaddressed until there's an accident while minimal threats get immediate attention.
08:12 AM on 03/16/2011
I swear someone at TSA just sits all day in a mockup of a jet liner just mulling over how to make flying a more inconvenient experience.
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electricladyland
Don't censor me bro.
06:13 AM on 03/16/2011
Some people can't pee and breathe at the same time.
05:04 AM on 03/16/2011
According to a NASA aeronautics expert at the Dryden Flight Research Center, there are no reported cases in the history of commercial aviation of the drop-down oxygen masks in the passenger cabin saving even a single life that would have otherwise been lost during a cabin pressure anomaly.

The caveats are 1) portable oxygen bottles have saved the lives of numerous passengers who were suffering medical emergencies, and 2) emergency oxygen systems in the cockpit of commercial airliners are essential to ensure the effectiveness of the pilots during a pressure anomaly.

But there is no case in which a commercial airliner was unable to descend to a breathable altitude before the passengers would begin to suffer irreversible effects of hypoxia but still capable of effecting a survivable emergency landing.
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Semper Fi
04:08 AM on 03/16/2011
No one is going to die from lack of oxygen in the lavatory. You can survive with out oxygen for 3 minutes or more with no lasting effects. It will not take 3 minutes for the plane to make an emergency decent to a level where there is adequate oxygen to keep you alive, and it definitely will not take 3 minutes for a flight attendant to reach the lavatory with portable oxygen. Remember while the amount of oxygen maybe less at 20,000 feet it is not deadly.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
05:27 AM on 03/16/2011
You have to assume that the self-loading cargo locked in the bathroom could work out how to use the mask anyway.
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Husaria
Question all authority
07:47 AM on 03/16/2011
Yeah, but no.

That perfect case scenario you have described is correct. However, put an 75 year old little old man / woman in that lav, with MMP ( multiple med. problems ) or perhaps a younger individual with health issues ( even just asthma ) and you have yourself a difficult situation.
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Franciscodeflores
Veterans for Peace Member
03:56 AM on 03/16/2011
I have it on good authority that they were removed because passengers were confusing them with relief tubes.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
03:49 AM on 03/16/2011
They're not oxygen masks like the ones deployed from the overhead bins which tap a bottled supply, they're oxygen generators, containing oxygen producing chemicals.

EASA doesn't agree with the removal.

It sounds like Mr Diaz needs to do some deep breathing exercises himself.