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Operation Odyssey Dawn: U.S. Launches Military Strikes In Libya

Operation Odyssey Dawn Libya

First Posted: 03/20/11 02:22 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:40 PM ET

WASHINGTON — U.S. and British ships and submarines launched the first phase of a missile assault on Libyan air defenses Saturday and a senior American defense official said it was believed substantial damage was inflicted.

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In the strikes, 112 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired at more than 20 coastal targets to clear the way for air patrols to ground Libya's air force.

While U.S. defense officials cautioned that it was too early to fully gauge the impact of the onslaught, the official said that given the precision targeting of the Navy's cruise missiles, they felt that Libya's air defenses suffered a good deal of damage.

Explosions continued to rock the coastal cities, including Tripoli. Navy Vice Adm. Wiliam E. Gortney, director of the Pentagon's Joint Staff, would not discuss future operations But defense officials said military action was likely to continue.

The official spoke on the grounds of anonymity because of the ongoing mission.

In announcing the mission during a visit to Brazil, President Barack Obama said he was reluctant to resort to force but was convinced it was necessary to save the lives of civilians. He reiterated that he would not send American ground troops to Libya.

"We cannot stand idly by when a tyrant tells his people there will be no mercy," he said in Brasilia.

While U.S. defense officials said it was too early to gauge the impact of the onslaught, one senior official said that given the precision targeting of the Navy's cruise missiles, they believe Libya's air defenses suffered a good deal of damage.

It was clear the U.S. intended to limit its role in the Libya intervention, focusing first on disabling or otherwise silencing Libyan air defenses, and then leaving it to European and perhaps Arab countries to enforce a no-fly zone over the North African nation.

Gortney told reporters the cruise missile assault was the "leading edge" of a coalition campaign dubbed Operation Odyssey Dawn. Its aim: prevent Moammar Gadhafi's forces from inflicting more violence on civilians -- particularly in and around the rebel stronghold of Benghazi -- and degrading the Libyan military's ability to contest a no-fly zone.

"This is not an outcome the U.S. or any of our partners sought," Obama said from Brazil, where he is starting a five-day visit to Latin America. "Our consensus was strong, and our resolve is clear. The people of Libya must be protected, and in the absence of an immediate end to the violence against civilians our coalition is prepared to act, and to act with urgency."

A chief target of Saturday's cruise missile attack was Libya's SA-5 surface-to-air missiles, which are considered a moderate threat to some allied aircraft. Libya's overall air defenses are based on older Soviet technology but Gortney called them capable and a potential threat to allied aircraft.

Also targeted: early warning radars and unspecified communications facilities, Gortney said. The U.S. military has extensive recent experience in such combat missions; U.S. Air Force and Navy aircraft repeatedly attacked Iraq's air defenses during the 1990s while enforcing a no-fly zone over Iraq's Kurdish north.

Cruise missiles are the weapon of first choice in such campaigns; they do not put pilots at risk, and they use navigational technologies that provide good precision.

The first Tomahawk cruise missiles struck at 3 p.m. EDT, Gortney said, after a one-hour flight from the U.S. and British vessels on station in the Mediterranean.

They were fired from five U.S. ships – the guided-missile destroyers USS Stout and USS Barry, and three submarines, USS Providence, USS Scranton and USS Florida.

The U.S. has at least 11 naval vessels in the Mediterranean, including three submarines, two destroyers, two amphibious warfare ships and the USS Mount Whitney, a command-and-control vessel that is the flagship of the Navy's 6th Fleet. Also in the area are Navy P-3 and EP-3 surveillance aircraft, officials said.

Gortney initially had said that it could take as long as 12 hours to assess the effectiveness of Saturday's strikes. Then a high-altitude Global Hawk unmanned surveillance plane would overfly the target areas to get a more precise view, the admiral said. He would not say how long the attacks on Libyan air defenses would last, but he stressed that Saturday's assault with cruise missiles was the first phase of a multi-stage mission.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, in a statement late Saturday, said, "I support the actions taken today by our allies, with the support of several Arab countries, to prevent the tyrant Moammar Qaddafi from perpetrating further atrocities on the people of Libya."

"And I support the president's decision to deploy U.S. assets to help those allies to enforce a no-fly zone to protect Libyan civilians as laid out in the United Nations resolution," the Nevada Democrat said. "This U.S. military action was not taken lightly, and it was done in concert with a broad international coalition."

Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who was scheduled to fly to Russia on Saturday afternoon to begin a week-long overseas trip, postponed his departure for 24 hours. Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said Gates decided he should remain in Washington to monitor developments in Libya at the outset of U.S. strikes.

Gates had been skeptical of getting involved in Libya's civil war, telling Congress earlier this month that taking out Libya's air defenses was tantamount to war. Others have worried that the mission could put the U.S. on a slippery slope to deeper involvement in yet another Muslim country – on top of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Hours after Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton attended an international conference in Paris that endorsed military action against Gadhafi, the U.S. and Britain kicked off their attacks.

At a news conference in Paris, Clinton said Gadhafi had left the world no choice but to intervene urgently and forcefully to protect further loss of civilian life.

"We have every reason to fear that, left unchecked, Gadhafi would commit unspeakable atrocities," she told reporters.

Clinton said there was no evidence that Gadhafi's forces were respecting an alleged cease-fire they proclaimed and the time for action was now.

"Our assessment is that the aggressive action by Gadhafi's forces continues in many parts of the country," she said. "We have seen no real effort on the part of the Gadhafi forces to abide by a cease-fire."

In addition to the three submarines and two destroyers, the U.S. Navy ships in the Mediterranean include two amphibious warships, the USS Kearsarge and USS Ponce, and a command-and-control ship, the USS Mount Whitney.

@ BreakingNews : Anti-Gadhafi fighters in Misurata say 28 people had died in the city in the past three days - Al Jazeera http://bit.ly/ecR130

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Gaddafi forces have reportedly captured the wife of Moussa Koussa, the former Foreign Minister who defected while in England. Reports the Telegraph:

The wife of the Libyan foreign minister who defected to Britain earlier this week has been seized by Colonel Gaddafi and is being interrogated by his "internal security" officials, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

She is thought to have been captured amid eyewitness reports of a fierce gunfight at Col Gaddafi's central Tripoli compound as the regime stepped in to stop further defections.

Yesterday, local residents recalled how the most fierce firefight yet seen in central Tripoli had erupted within hours of the regime confirming that the Foreign Minister had defected.

Read the entire report here.

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NBC's Ann Curry tweets that the U.S. will move to support missions only:

@ AnnCurry : NBCNews: US military will stop flying COMBAT missions over Libya, only SUPPORT missions incl reconnaissance, starting April 2.

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Channel Four correspondent Jonathan Rugman spoke with Libya's former Prime Minister Abdul Ati al-Obeidi, who said that Gaddafi is trying to set up talks to stop the killing. During the interview, Obeidi told Rugman, "We are trying to talk to the British, the French and the Americans to stop the killing of people. We are trying to find a mutual solution."

Watch a report from Channel Four on the Libya talks below:

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Despite complaints to the contrary, the U.S. Senate actually did support a no-fly zone over Libya. The AP reports:

Some lawmakers are grousing loudly that President Barack Obama sent the nation's military to Libya without Congress' blessing. They're ignoring a key fact: The Senate a month ago voted to support imposing a no-fly zone to protect civilians from attacks by Col. Moammar Gadhafi's forces.

With no objections, the Senate on March 1 backed a resolution strongly condemning "the gross and systematic violations of human rights in Libya" and urging the U.N. Security Council to take action, "including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory."

There was no recorded vote. It was simply approved by unanimous consent.

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Reuters reports:

@ Reuters : FLASH: Libyan government rejects rebels' conditions for ceasefire, says troops will not leave Libyan cities

Reuters adds:

"They are asking us to withdraw from our own cities. .... If this is not mad then I don't know what this is. We will not leave out cities," said Mussa Ibrahim, the government spokesman.

Read more here.

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Robert Haddick, writing at Foreign Policy, argues that the rebels need combat skills much more than they need heavy artillery. He writes:

On March 30, it was reported that CIA officers were in Libya with the rebels, making an assessment of their situation and possibly directing airstrikes in support of their fighters. We can gather from open sources much of what these intelligence officers are likely to report. As a military force, Libya's rebels are a disorganized rabble and seem incapable of preparing and holding defensive positions or maneuvering effectively against rudimentary enemy resistance. The rebels need boot camp, fundamental infantry training, and the development of some battlefield leaders, not a new stockpile of weapons.

Those Western leaders whose plan currently consists of hoping that Qaddafi will be spontaneously overthrown need to think again. Absent a Western invasion of the country, the rebel force is the only means of removing Qaddafi, and the rebels will need many months or even years of training before they are capable of defeating loyalist ground units and marching all the way to Tripoli.

Read the entire piece here.

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Gunfire has been reported in Gaddafi's compound. Reuters reports:

Sustained gunfire rang out near Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's heavily fortified compound in Tripoli on Friday and residents said they saw snipers on rooftops and pools of blood on the streets.

It was not clear what triggered long bursts of machinegun and automatic gunfire that echoed around the city center for about 20 minutes and stopped before dawn.

Cars were heard speeding along central Tripoli streets, their tires screeching on the asphalt. Distant shouting or chanting also was heard.

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A journalist who was picked up by Libyan security details his ordeal. Here's an excerpt of his story from Reuters:

We sat quietly. I turned to Chris, a London-based Canadian I had worked with in Iraq. I said I thought they would kill us.

A soldier opened the lock and the rear door swung open again. We looked down at the back of a station wagon which had been opened up to reveal some blankets. I thought they would perhaps drive us away. Maybe they were going to free us?

But a closer look showed feet poking under the blankets.

Soldiers then pulled aside the coverings and hauled three handcuffed young men up and in beside us. When we were locked in again, they told us they were Libyan university students.

Later, several soldiers came in. "Who are you?" one asked me. We are Reuters journalists, I said. He is our driver. We have permission. We were invited here by your government.

The soldier shook his head. "Bad time to be a journalist in Libya." Reporters were part of a foreign conspiracy against Libya, he said. But then he made it clear that if they decided we were not journalists but spies, that would be worse.

"If you tell us the truth, it should be fine, God willing. But if we catch you lying, oh we will show no mercy. None."

Read the rest here.

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Libyan rebels have made a deal to sell oil to Qatar. Reports the AP:

A plan to sell rebel-held oil to buy weapons and other supplies has been reached with Qatar, a rebel official said Friday, in another sign of deepening aid for Libya's opposition by the wealthy Gulf state after sending warplanes to help confront Moammar Gadhafi's forces.

It was not immediately clear when the possible oil sales could begin or how the arms would reach the rebel factions, but any potential revenue stream would be a significant lifeline for the militias and military defectors battling Gadhafi's superior forces.

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Gaddafi forces are attacking home in Misrata, according to rebels. Reuters reports:

Forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi are mounting an intense artillery bombardment of rebel-held Misrata and pro-Gaddafi troops are attacking shops and homes in the city center, a rebel spokesman said.

Misrata is the last big rebel stronghold in western Libya but after weeks of shelling and encirclement, government forces appear to be gradually loosening the rebels' hold on the city, despite Western air strikes on pro-Gaddafi targets there.

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The Associated Press reports:

Libya's rebels will agree to a cease-fire if Moammar Gadhafi pulls his military forces out of cities and allows peaceful protests against his regime, an opposition leader said Friday.

Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, head of the opposition's interim governing council based in Benghazi, said the rebels' condition for a cease-fire is "that the Gadhafi brigades and forces withdraw from inside and outside Libyan cities to give freedom to the Libyan people to choose and the world will see that they will choose freedom."

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Libyan rebels moved towards the key oil town of Brega on Friday, as conditions drifted towards a stalemate. Reuters reports:

Libyan rebels moved heavier weaponry toward the oil town of Brega on Friday and sought to marshal rag-tag units into a more disciplined force to regain momentum against Muammar Gaddafi's regular army.

While military action appeared to drift toward stalemate, coalition diplomatic efforts focused on breaking Gaddafi's hold on power in Tripoli. London urged Gaddafi loyalists to abandon him, following the defection of Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa.

Rebels said neither side could claim control of Brega, one of a string of oil towns along the Mediterranean coast that have been taken and retaken several times by each side in recent weeks. The insurgents have failed to hold gains, even when helped by Western air strikes.

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From Al Jazeera:

German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle says Libya's crisis cannot be resolved through military means and all sides must get to work on a political resolution.

Westerwelle said on a visit to China that a first step must be a cease-fire that is heeded by Gaddafi.

More details here.

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BBC News reports that U.S. senators are drafting legislation that would authorize the use of force in Libya. The senators include John Kerry and John McCain.

The 1973 War Powers Act says US armed forces must start to withdraw after 60 days unless explicitly authorised to fight by Congress. In the case of Libya, that mark would fall on 20 May, Mr Kerry said.

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The National Journal reports that the U.S. may be on a slippery slope when it comes to the Libyan mission:

It’s an old question, but we’ve been through enough of these interventions now --from Vietnam to Kosovo to Afghanistan--to insist on asking it once again: Is the United States on a slippery slope in Libya, one that will lead to American military involvement on the ground? The evidence, on balance, is that under President Obama the U.S. presence is going to expand quickly—but covertly.

Read the full article here.

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Reuters reports that Libya's top oil official, Shokri Ghanem, has denied rumors that he left the country.

Al Jazeera television listed Ghanem as one the figures who had left Libya, but Ghanem said in a phone call, "This is not true, I am in my office and I will be on TV in a few minutes."

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BBC News reports that London Mayor Boris Johnson, a Conservative, offers his concerns about involvement in Libya:

"I am worried that what we may be doing inadvertently is entrenching support for the mad colonel... I do worry that if we get into a stalemate, if the rebels don't seem to be making the progress we hope they would make, then we should be brave enough to say to ourselves our policy isn't working."

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The New York Times reports that as a second top Libyan official, Ali Abdussalam el-Treki, defects from the Gaddafi government, fears mount within the regime.

The capital of Tripoli was alive with rumored defections on Thursday, with the prime minister and the speaker of Parliament, among other top figures, said at various times to be quitting the country. None of those reports could be verified. But the authorities were taking no chances, assigning guards to senior officials to assure they cannot leave, a former Libyan official said.

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BBC News reports that, according to U.S. Admiral Mike Mullen, international air strikes have been hampered by bad weather over the past few days.

According to AFP, Mullen says that they have not been able to see through the weather to identify targets. "And that has more than anything else reduced the impact... reduced the effectiveness, and has allowed the regime forces to move back to the east."

More here.

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Al Jazeera reporter Anita McNaught discusses the defections in Libya:

"We got word from sources outside of Tripoli that there were at least four senior figures from the Gadaffi administration who were perhaps in Tunisia, or certainly outside the country and not intending to go home. These were, last night as we understood it, the current head of the Intelligence Service, the Oil Minister (and I'll mark a question mark with that in a minute), the Secretary of the General People's Congress, and the Deputy Foreign Minister."

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BBC News reports on apparent threats in London by a pro-Gaddafi protestor:

Libyan state television has broadcast footage showing a pro-Gaddafi protestor in London yanking open his jacket and vowing to turn himself an "explosive bomb", a video on YouTube shows. The incident is said to have occurred at the protest near the Foreign Office in Whitehall on 29 March. In the clip, which has been circulated widely on social media, the man refers to anti-Gaddafi protestors as "traitors and rats", and exhorts Libyans to "return to the Koran."

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The Guardian reports that Mohammed Ismail, a senior aide to Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam, has traveled to London for confidential talks with British officials.

It is suggested that the regime may be looking for an exit strategy. There is speculation that Gaddafi's sons, namely Saif al-Islam, Saadi and Mutassim, are looking for a way out.

Although he has little public profile in either Libya or internationally, Ismail is recognised by diplomats as being a key fixer and representative for Saif al-Islam.

According to cables published by WikiLeaks, Ismail has represented the Libyan government in arms purchase negotiations and acted as an interlocutor on military and political issues.

"The message that was delivered to him is that Gaddafi has to go and that there will be accountability for crimes committed at the international criminal court," a Foreign Office spokesman told the Guardian , declining to elaborate on what else may have been discussed.

More here.

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The Associated Press/Huffington Post report:

Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan continued his defense of embattled Libyan strongman Moammar Gaddafi during a press conference in Chicago Thursday, and slammed the United States' decision to get involved in the conflict.

The 78-year-old leader of the Chicago-based organization spoke at Mosque Maryam, the Nation of Islam headquarters, according to the Chicago Tribune.

"It is a terrible thing for me to hear my brother called all these ugly and filthy names when I can't recognize him as that," Farrakhan said of Gaddafi, according to the Tribune. "Even though the current tide is moving against him ... how can I refuse to raise my voice in his defense? Why would I back down from those who have given so much."

Farrakhan has publicly defended Gaddafi a number of times since the Libyan uprising began. He reportedly visited the Libyan leader in the 1980s, and told attendees of a Nation of Islam convention in February that the United States should stay out of Libya's affairs.

Full report here.

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Breaking News reports on Twitter that according to the UK Independent, Britain is in talks with ten more Gaddafi officials about possible defection.

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BBC News provides the account of a witness in Tripoli.

According to the witness, any anti-government dissidents who spoke out publicly were deemed by officials as mentally ill and thus detained indefinitely. Because of this, the witness is not surprised that Iman al-Obeidi was immediately described as mentally ill last week.

She is not the first case of rape we have heard of here.

I have heard of two other cases in recent weeks. One of them was of a Moroccan housekeeper who was left behind by her employers as they fled to a safe house because half their family members had been detained.

The story that circulated through word-of-mouth was that security forces stormed the house she was staying in with the intention of detaining the rest of the family. Finding her alone there instead, they raped her.

Read the full account here.

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AP reports:

A top Libyan diplomat now supporting the opposition says most high-rank Libyan officials are trying to defect but are under tight security and having difficulty leaving the country.

Ibrahim Dabbashi, Libya's deputy U.N. ambassador, told The Associated Press on Thursday that Libya's U.N. Mission, which now totally supports the opposition, knew two days in advance that Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa planned to defect.

"This is a big blow to the regime," Dabbashi said.

He said the mission had been waiting for about 10 days for Ali Abdessalam Treki, a former foreign minister and U.N. General Assembly president named by Moammar Gadhafi to be the new U.N. ambassador, to defect. Treki announced his defection Thursday in Cairo.

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Libya's Transitional National Council has released a statement on counter-terrorism. The council says that it condemns and will combat all forms of terrorism.

Regarding al-Qaeda, the council states:

It emphasizes also its full commitment to the implementation of the relevant Security Council resolutions on Counter-Terrorism, including the resolutions on the Sanctions concerning al-Qaeda and Taliban, with the full commitment to all measures and sanctions concerning any individual or entity associated with al-Qaeda and Taliban as determined by the Sanctions Committee.

The council pledges to help the United Nations and cooperate with it's counter-terrorism task forces.

Read the full statement here.

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HuffPost's Saki Knafo reports:

Earlier this week, rebel forces in Libya fought their way to the outskirts of Sirte, a seafront city about the size of Tallahassee. The day before, pushing westward along the coast from Ajdabiya, they'd recaptured the oil towns of Brega and Ras Lanuf -- Sirte, experts said, was the last major obstacle standing in the rebels' path to the capital city of Tripoli.

Sirte. Before Sunday, few outside Libya had heard of it. Now it's being portrayed as the key to Libya's hopes for democracy, the fulcrum on which the nation's fate would turn. Its importance can be explained partly by location, its proximity to the capital. But it mattered for other reasons, too, reasons that reveal a lot about a conflict with complexities outsiders are only beginning to grasp.

Read the full story here.

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According to The New York Times, U.K. Foreign Secretary William Hague denies that Moussa Koussa was offered any immunity to lure him to leave Gaddafi's regime. Hague reports that he is voluntarily speaking with British officials.

The prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, said on March 3 that he would investigate “alleged crimes against humanity committed in Libya since 15 February, as peaceful demonstrators were attacked by security forces.” He placed Mr. Koussa second after Colonel Qaddafi on a list of “some individuals with formal or de facto authority, who commanded and had control over the forces that allegedly committed the crimes.”

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08:12 PM on 03/20/2011
However, I respect those who disagree for various reasons.
08:11 PM on 03/20/2011
I support our military action in Libya. I say this as a conservative who's not a fan of Obama. Furthermore, I'd say that the GOP agrees with Obama on this, even if some posters here don't.
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09:51 PM on 03/20/2011
Why?
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"Evil conquers when good men do nothing"
10:38 PM on 03/20/2011
I wouldn't go so far as to say anyone disagrees? right? My questions have been to people asking why they support this whatever u want to call it type of "intervention" Vs. what occurred in Iraq....so many liberals who were against the Iraq war and now backing the decision to help Libya? Its very confusing to me.
Personally, I am glad we are here to help the oppressed....I think its like the first kid who decides to stand up to the bully.....others start to join....and its showing. Countries are joining and those oppressed are starting to rebel against the oppressors! GOOD!....
And we complain that we need help in the U.S., seriously....have any of you seen a Third world country? I've seen it...done it....these people defecate in buckets because of no plumbing. They use speaker wire to get a light bulb in there MUD houses...and we complain....we should be ashamed...these are the people we've been taking advantage of for oil, clothes, etc....using them as slave labor for centuries while we live the high life.....god forbid you have one t.v. rather than two or three in the house...amazing....
05:48 PM on 03/20/2011
Condoleezza Rice with appropriate diplomatic channels having a conversation with Muammar Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi might prove to be peace keeping as he has demonstrated genuine admiration for her in the past. Let us encourage an immediate and peaceful settlement. http://www.veronicagerman.com/5108652140.php
08:14 PM on 03/20/2011
You're a psychic? Bwahahahaha. That stuff is BS.
04:22 PM on 03/20/2011
I've spent a lot of time reading posts on this topic and there are a few themes on which I would like to comment (and raise a few questions).
1) Many 'defenders' of this action have cited the broad coalition, including support of the Arab League as justification. Breaking news: The Arab League chief is now out and about condemning the strikes. So, Arab League to western powers: "Suckers!"
2) I keep reading how important it is that we 'even out the contest' by degrading Kadafi's ability to make war. That way, I read, the rebels will have a 'fair' shot at winning. I don't get this reasoning at all. So if they lose in the 'fair' fight and get wiped out are we okay with that? Or if they get the upper hand and then DO the wiping out, are we okay with that? Or will we then need to bomb THEM to even things back out?
3) There are a lot of emerging indications that the 'rebels' are themselves anti west and apparently many of them are affiliated with Al Queda. IF that is true, would you still support this war?
08:14 PM on 03/20/2011
That's all true, but should we just let Gadhafi kill civilians?
08:48 PM on 03/20/2011
Huh? Should we 'let' anyone anywhere kill civilians? This seems sort of like the old 'are you still beating your wife' question. I'm actually looking for responses from people with opinions on the subject(s).
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10:44 PM on 03/20/2011
He's taking out Al Keidas.
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11:25 PM on 03/20/2011
It is a big question of where we draw the line. If we are interfering like we claim solely because our moral core is against the oppression and slaughter of a people by their dictator, then what else do we do in the name of those morals? Do we respect these people's rights to govern how they wish, and still maintain that when they start killing civilians we will interfere enough to, what... muzzle them like a bad dog, chain them up until they learn, and then let them go to return to what they were doing, perhaps changed, perhaps not? How far can we interfere where it can actually be effective, but not an imposition of our own will upon their country? Is it even possible to walk that line? They make it sound like it is, and that its going to be easily accomplished, but I truly believe that the complications of this run too deep.

That said, are we capable of watching a slaughter occur, and do nothing? We've already interfered, the question is do we do it for the long haul to actually have an effect on the outcome by imposing our will, or do we just make a small show and at least soothe our emotions that we did 'something' even if it has little control in the outcome we may want. I don't know what is right or wrong, maybe the people of Libya do.
12:18 AM on 03/21/2011
My personal view is we have about as good a chance of walking the line effectively in Libya as we do in Afganistan. That is to say no chance at all. Wanna eliminate a long standing strong man and power structure and replace it with something better? Sure, it may be possible. All we gotta do is what we've done in Iraq. Everybody ready?
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01:42 PM on 03/20/2011
Go france
Go britain
Gobama

To the far left, i lovr ypu gUys but you cant have it both ways...If you condemn Gahdafi's atrocities, and you support the uprising og the rebels agAinst him, then you must support this action. the rebels have no planes and are powerless against Gahdafi's airstrikes....

Gobama,

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01:39 PM on 03/20/2011
Wait till obama puts boots on the ground armed with bean bag guns
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01:35 PM on 03/20/2011
Democrats - Proudly Inflaming the Arab street.
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05:06 PM on 03/20/2011
No--that was Peter King (R) and his xenophobic hearings.
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12:53 PM on 03/20/2011
American troops go into harms way and Obama heads to South America with his family.

I might vomit.

When will the Democrats elect a decent president?
01:25 PM on 03/20/2011
It's not about Democrats or Republicans. There really is little or no difference. Both parties have been bought by Wall St and the Military Industrial Complex.
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01:40 PM on 03/20/2011
It is rather amazing
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12:51 PM on 03/20/2011
Obama will pull out of Libya as soon as the going gets tough like Clinton did in Somalia after Black Hawk Down.
01:56 PM on 03/20/2011
Keep hope alive.
12:48 PM on 03/20/2011
Question: Should the US have never gotten involved in this? With all of the other nations involved, was there a reason to do so?

Answer: The world is one, a team is one. The world and any team for that matter, must have a leader to be successful. What other country in the world is better suited for leadership than the United States. If the United States does not lead, then we will surely have to follow the beat of a confusing array of drums.
04:25 PM on 03/20/2011
Well that's interesting but didn't our Secretary of State emphasize the point that we are NOT taking the lead in this action?
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11:25 AM on 03/20/2011
550 Metric TONS of Yellow Cake removed from IRAQ...(which has been proven to be made into a DIRTY BOMB fairly easy with the right amount of money and resources)

400,000+ dead in 270+ mass graves the the coalition forces found AFTER The INVASION of IRAQ

Ok....so please tell me why we have an excuse to attack libya and no reason to attack Saddams regime again?.....Ooops, I am sorry shoot down Libyan planes and destroy Libyan tanks with a "no-fly zone"....but dont call it war...because that would mean killing or invading someone elses border with ground forces...the air is different I guess.
12:16 PM on 03/20/2011
Well done...!
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MrBadExample
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12:59 PM on 03/20/2011
http://crooksandliars.com/2008/07/06/yellowcake-uranium-found-in-iraq-bush-was-right-well-not-so-much
 
If you check into this, you'll quickly find that the uranium a) was not weapons grade and b) was well known to the UN and IAEA and was being stored legally by Saddam's government. It was legally in Iraq according to international law.
I wondered if the right wing echo chamber would use this as "proof" that the WMD claims were true after all. I got even better than I hoped, as not only do they use it that way, but they reveal how dishonest they are by the way they have done this.
 
 
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cschoenen
"Evil conquers when good men do nothing"
03:29 PM on 03/20/2011
Hence the reason its called a "dirty Bomb" and not a true Atomic bomb.....they are just as affective spreading Radiation as a nuclear bomb but hey keep trying....
No right wing echo chambers needed....just lots and lots and lots of dead bodies found in mass graves shoulda been proof enough.
And seriously...Since when has the UN shown ANY backbone that would have stopped Saddam from selling or using the yellow cake himself.....shall I remind you of DARFUR, Rwanda, or Bosnia ju to name a few examples of the spineless cowards of the U.N.?

But please tell me that the mass graves aren't justification enough....I mean, that is one reason we are attacking...err I mean doing a no-fly zone in Libya right? Keep innocent people from dying? or are you going to tell me the the mass graves were made up and fictitious?
04:29 PM on 03/20/2011
Referring to one persons post on HP doens't exactly prove your point that all of right-wingdom is making your dream come true. Oh, and did you forget to address the part about the mass graves? That part wasn't in keeping with your partisan dream I guess.
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11:15 AM on 03/20/2011
Blood for Oil is a s hollow as Drill, baby, drill. Oil companies are not owned by the US Government. The US Government buys gas on the open market. It is in the interests of the oil companies to increase the price of oil. Using Libyan oil would only drive the price down, "No blood for oil" should be put to rest as gas is $4 at the pump. There is no collusion between the oil companies and the US Government. The Government is the loser in this speculative price war.”
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cschoenen
"Evil conquers when good men do nothing"
11:42 AM on 03/20/2011
Blood for oil...true its proven false.....U.S. companies only received 10% of the contracts to restore and manage the oil in Iraq while Russia and China received a majority of the contracts in Iraq and they didn't even lift a finger to help these people with their freedom.
02:11 PM on 03/20/2011
Let us not always focus on quid pro quo. Blood to ensure freedom, then we are on to something good! There are good and not so good (plus and minus) actions or events. Let us focus on what we can control, a positive outcome. Granted, it is easier to be negative, but with patience and focus we eventually see a positive outcome.
11:44 AM on 03/20/2011
UM,...I think tax payers are the losers!!
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cschoenen
"Evil conquers when good men do nothing"
12:17 PM on 03/20/2011
so true....
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omobob
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01:30 PM on 03/20/2011
Agreed. We all are losing as oil is used in plastics, asphalt and gasoline. We are all paying the price. Oil just topped $103 per barrel. Great news for the Saudis. Great news for the OIl Conglomerates.
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09:52 AM on 03/20/2011
Bush went to the U.N. (17 resolutions). Bush went to congress and got approval before attacking Iraq. Obo went on vacation in Rio.
barrada nicto
Optimism is necessary.
10:38 AM on 03/20/2011
Bush lied up a storm to make people believe Saddam was a threat. It was all a lie.
10:46 AM on 03/20/2011
Your burka is wrapped too tight!
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cschoenen
"Evil conquers when good men do nothing"
11:16 AM on 03/20/2011
Bush lied? Please pre-tell how a man who got intell. from the CIA and other Spy agencies from around the world especially from the middle east lied? He took what data and information was given to him as trustworthy....Presidents do it everyday and all of a sudden HE is the liar? Amazing.
Yet, Bush was the first to admit AND go public that the information that was given to him was found to be credibly shaky at best....not to many Presidents would admit that. I mean look at Obama...he can't even admit he was Bowing to a King....he made a pathetic excuse that he was "bending over to the shorter king"....yea right...
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10:58 AM on 03/20/2011
yawn ... yes he did - under the pretext of lies ....
11:05 AM on 03/20/2011
Sure!!
09:46 AM on 03/20/2011
With Congressional approval, the War Powers Act of 1973 specifically authorizes the President to send arm forces abroad if the nation is under attack or under a "serious threat." Doesn't that mean our nation {USA}?
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12:46 PM on 03/20/2011
Yes, but its ok to break the law if you have a Nobel Prize