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'Amazon Tax' Sought By Cash-Strapped States

Amazon Tax

RACHEL METZ   03/21/11 12:16 AM ET   AP

SAN FRANCISCO — Tax-free shopping is under threat for many online shoppers as states facing widening budget gaps increasingly pressure Amazon.com Inc. and other Internet retailers to start collecting sales taxes from their residents.

Billions of dollars are at stake as a growing number of states look for ways to generate more revenue without violating a 1992 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that prohibits a state from forcing businesses to collect sales taxes unless the business has a physical presence, such as a store, in that state.

States are trying to get around that restriction by passing laws that broaden the definition of a physical presence. Retailers are resisting being deputized as tax collectors.

Until recently, the Supreme Court ruling has meant that Wal-Mart Stores Inc., based in Bentonville, Ark., would collect taxes from shoppers in all states with sales taxes, whether those shoppers buy items on or off the Web, because it has stores nationwide.

But Amazon, based in Seattle, wouldn't collect taxes from Floridians because it doesn't have a presence there. Although in such cases, shoppers in Florida are supposed to pay the tax directly to their state, few actually do.

With the new laws, those living in Evanston, Ill., or Providence, R.I., can no longer expect to avoid paying taxes when shopping online even though Amazon and others have no traditional operations there. States backing these laws argue that a retailer has a physical presence when it uses affiliates – people and businesses that refer customers to the retailer's website and collect a commission on sales. These affiliates range from one-person blogs promoting the latest gadgets to companies that run coupon and deal sites.

Illinois passed a law this month requiring Internet companies with affiliates in that state to collect taxes on sales to Illinois customers. In Vermont and Arkansas, similar bills scored initial legislative victories in recent weeks. New York, North Carolina and Rhode Island have already adopted similar laws.

In Colorado, a law requires online retailers to either collect the tax or send customers an annual notice letting them know how much they owe their state. Retailers would also have to report that to Colorado officials.

Several other states including Arizona, Massachusetts and California are considering passing their own flavor of online sales tax collection legislation. California lawmakers had passed a bill in 2009, but the governor vetoed it.

It's not known exactly how much in uncollected taxes is due to states from online sales, but a 2009 study from the University of Tennessee estimated that it could total $10.14 billion this year, assuming total e-commerce sales of $3.49 trillion. Only a fraction of this owed tax would result from consumer purchases, however, because most e-commerce sales are from one business to another.

The tax revenue would only be one plug in the states' budget holes. The total gap is expected to reach $112 billion in the fiscal year that begins in July, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a policy-research organization.

The states are getting extra prodding from brick-and-mortar retailers, which have long thought it unfair that online retailers could essentially give customers better deals by not collecting sales taxes.

"The choice of the merchant by the customer should not be based on tax policy. It should be based on service, convenience, on the shopping experience and, of course, price – but not price based on tax policy," said David Vite, head of the Illinois Retail Merchants Association.

Online retailers such as Amazon.com and Overstock.com Inc. disagree with the states' actions, and they're fighting back.

After Illinois passed its law, Amazon and Overstock said they would dump their affiliates in that state – Amazon on April 15, and Overstock on May 1. Online retailers earlier dropped affiliates in several states that are now requiring them to collect taxes. Rebecca Madigan, executive director of California-based Performance Marketing Association, said those affiliates then saw 25 percent to 30 percent declines in revenue.

According to Madigan, there are 200,000 Internet retail affiliates across the country, some of which are fighting the legislation in their own ways.

FatWallet, which runs a coupon and deals website in Rockton, Ill., is planning to move to another state – probably neighboring Wisconsin, founder Tim Storm said.

Storm believes the new law could cost his business $4 million to $5 million in revenue this year, which would be about a 30 percent to 40 percent hit, if it stays in Illinois. Already, the company has received notices from Amazon, Overstock, electronics site Newegg and musical instrument retailer Musician's Friend on their plans to end affiliate programs in Illinois.

Storm believes Illinois' law would backfire as affiliate companies such as his leave.

The strategy of cutting off affiliates might also backfire against Amazon and its competitors online.

Bricks-and-mortar retailers such as Walmart and Barnes & Noble Inc. have been recruiting affiliates being abandoned by Amazon and others. That means sales could go to these companies instead.

Walmart and Barnes & Noble are also among the businesses large and small that support a Washington, D.C.-based group called the Alliance for Main Street Fairness, which is in favor of the changing of tax laws in various states so that online retailers would have to collect sales taxes.

Amazon, Alliance spokesman Danny Diaz argues, is "working feverishly to exploit a loophole."

Amazon does collect sales taxes in North Dakota, Kansas, Kentucky, and its home state of Washington. It collects in New York, too, as it fights the state over a 2008 law that was the first to consider local affiliates enough of an in-state presence to require sales tax collection.

Amazon is also tussling with Texas, which contends the company owes it $269 million in uncollected online sales taxes because it operates a distribution center near Dallas. Amazon plans to close that facility in April and scrapped plans to expand elsewhere in Texas over the dispute.

Paul Misener, Amazon's vice president of public policy, said Amazon isn't against the principle of collecting sales taxes. Rather, it wants "a constitutionally permissible system that is applied evenhandedly."

Congress could give states authority to require tax collection by out-of-state retailers. Michael Mazerov, a senior fellow with the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, believes such a federal law would be the best way to ensure that states get their taxes, but he understands why such efforts have stalled in Congress.

"It's tough legislation politically because you're asking Congress to pass legislation where they will be unfairly and inaccurately criticized as imposing a new tax," Mazerov said.

For now, online sales tax bills will continue to pop up across the country, gaining support from some and inciting ire from others as more and more people shop online.

"It's a little like 'Groundhog Day,'" Madigan said.

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YoureSoShain
11:36 PM on 03/22/2011
Would this apply to direct mail retail as well? Catalogs and such?
10:19 PM on 03/22/2011
Gotta love being taxed to death in CA. Public employees run the State and have driven over the edge. Lol!
06:18 AM on 03/24/2011
Wake up Ari, this is being pushed for the Alliance for Main Street Fairness. Although the alliance presents itself as looking out for the little guy, trade groups like the Retailer Industry Leaders Association, whose members include Best Buy, Target, Walmart, Dollar General and Home Depot, have worked with the alliance in other states and support its efforts to raise prices.
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indothinker
lighten up, francis
06:03 PM on 03/22/2011
you know, i don't even notice the sales tax that i pay for stuff on amazon. but then again, i look for the bargains on amazon, print the page, bring it in to my local retailer and they usually match the price if they have the item in stock. i'd rather support a local business if at all possible even if i have to pay sales tax.
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Julia Bailey
04:11 PM on 03/22/2011
These laws could really hurt small businesses, if they have to keep track of all this paperwork and pay sales tax in so many states. My guess is a lot of businesses will just not bother doing business with people in a state that didn't have enough customers to warrant the paperwork.
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DRaymond
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01:36 PM on 03/22/2011
As to the use tax collection issue. My spouse works for a tax preparation company. Over the years they have done many hundreds of tax returns. They have yet to have a single person ever admit that they have ever bought anything online.
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JoeBlough
The Horror. . .The Horror. . .
02:01 PM on 03/22/2011
Unless it's documented with a 1099, or something, it's hard to rember a years worth of purchases. I can't see the top 2% bothering with this, so why should I?
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DRaymond
Network administrator, voiceovers
04:18 PM on 03/22/2011
So if you can get away with it no requirement ever actually exists.
10:47 AM on 03/22/2011
cal has a near 10% sales tax... that's crazy
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DRaymond
Network administrator, voiceovers
12:48 PM on 03/22/2011
On the other hand we have low property taxes and relatively low income taxes on lower incomes and low auto taxes.  The total average tax burden in California is only middle of the road.
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JoeBlough
The Horror. . .The Horror. . .
02:02 PM on 03/22/2011
What do you call "low property taxes"?
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mountainweb
Conservative Commonsense
07:34 AM on 03/22/2011
"1992 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that prohibits a state from forcing businesses to collect sales taxes unless the business has a physical presence, such as a store, in that state." bottom line, so now the game is to ignore the rulings of the Supreme Court and find a way to screw the taxpayers. Amazing that raising taxes is always the FIRST thing they try to do rather than cut expenses.

The wealthy can very easily get around this stupidity by buying in states with no such taxes to start with and get the product shipped to them anyplace, its only the taxpayers on the bottom that get screwed, the very people that the democrats say they "represent" LOL....
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DRaymond
Network administrator, voiceovers
12:51 PM on 03/22/2011
Technically buying from one state and bringing it to another requires use tax, just like buying it online.
 
Also the definition of a physical presence is much broader than a store.  For example if you go to Dell.com you will find that you pay sales taxes even though Dell has no stores.  Why?  Because having an on-site repair person qualifies as a nexus.
 
Similarly having a single commissioned sales person, even if they are not an employee, counts as a nexus.  So calling a commissioned web site affilliate a nexus is not that big of a stretch.
 
 
06:21 AM on 03/24/2011
Your a fake just like the Alliance for Main Street Fairness. Although the alliance presents itself as looking out for the little guy, trade groups like the Retailer Industry Leaders Associatio­n, whose members include Best Buy, Target, Walmart, Dollar General and Home Depot fund and work with the alliance support their efforts to quash competition.
06:19 AM on 03/22/2011
Let's say I am vacationing in Florida, and I see a deal on Amazon. I have the item shipped to my home in Maryland. Which state's sales tax do I owe?
08:11 AM on 03/22/2011
You pay taxes to Maryland.

You didn't see the deal in Florida, you were in Florida when you saw the deal online and had it shipped to Maryland.
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DRaymond
Network administrator, voiceovers
12:53 PM on 03/22/2011
Now presuming that you were in a state with no sales taxes, and you had it shipped to that state, and then you brought it to Maryland, you would be obligated to pay Maryland use tax.
06:25 AM on 03/24/2011
Which one of the big box chinese retailers are you working for?
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03:40 AM on 03/22/2011
I am not sure if it is only from California seller on Amazon, or all sellers, but I know i have been charged sales tax for many Amazon orders.

Wish I were better at paperwork to know for sure.
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DRaymond
Network administrator, voiceovers
12:55 PM on 03/22/2011
If you bought at amazon's web site but the sale was actually passed through to an associate company like Lands End, then Lands End's business locations determines whether Sales Taxes are collected.
 
(But it sort of shoots holes in the notion that having to pay sales taxes in many places would be 'too complicated' for Amazon to do)
06:28 AM on 03/24/2011
So ordering something from Maryland means that I get to pay taxes to another state. This is more like TAXATION without REPRESENTATION.
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mlaiuppa
Pres. Sarcasm Society. Like we need your approval.
02:22 AM on 03/22/2011
More taxes for the little guy.

Amazon is our version of the tax breaks the wealthy get.

Take that away and there's no point in shopping online anymore.

I guess I ... just won't buy anything any more. Estate sales. No sales tax there. I can get books and clothing cheap. Of course it will be more time consuming. But will cut down even more on revenue going out to the states.

I'll save money. But the rest of the economy won't benefit from it.

Short sighted.

Penny wise pound foolish.

What else is new?
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Aldyth
Advocating for those who cannot defend themselves.
10:59 AM on 03/22/2011
The underground economy is going to grow to compensate for lack of income growth and reduced levels of employment. Hey, I just bartered homemade soap and bath salts for a hand thrown pot from an artist whose work I admire.

Garage sales, estate sales, resale shops. I can refurbish things and have a perfectly good life.

Fanned and faved for speaking common sense and having an adorable dog.
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mlaiuppa
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11:16 PM on 03/22/2011
You pay sales tax at resale shops, but not at estate sales.

I remember when the swap meet used to be one garage/estate sale after another. Then the commercial businesses took over and spoiled it. Same with eBay. It used to be you could sell a few times a year and clean out the garage or attic. Then they upped the fees and put so many restrictions on it that it isn't worth selling anymore. I'm switching to Etsy.

I've bartered to a limited degree. I quilt and I've traded quilts. But often those receiving aren't aware of the real value. (I have a quilt appraised at $2500.)

I repair a LOT. I'll be buying more at estate sales and garage sales that don't charge sales tax. I'll be hitting the farmer's market. (I'm sure the sales tax is built in there.) I'll also be growing my own and cooking from scratch. There are all sorts of ways to save.

Right now I'm perfecting my own mayonnaise recipe. I'll be trying ketchup at some point. I bake from scratch and no longer buy canned soups. I need to buy milk and eggs, but I'm considering rendering my own lard.

I'm lucky my parents equipped me with a lot of skills. I sew, crochet, knit and garden. I've refinished furniture and even done upholstery.

I can do simple electrical and plumbing (sweat a copper pipe, seat a toilet).

I know my limitations and when I have to hire.
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lizipoo
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01:13 AM on 03/22/2011
This is a  bit confusing.   I've made many Amazon purchases that were shipped to other states and the sales tax for that state was added to my order.   California is one I send to frequently yet the article gives the impression that CA is not collecting this tax?   I live in a State that has no sales tax so I am not charged for items shipped to my home from Amazon.   It was the same situation with a couple purchases I made from Walmart online.   Tax in CA, no tax in Oregon.
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02:04 AM on 03/22/2011
California doesn't currently have a law requiring Amazon or any other online retailer to collect and remit sales tax.  Oregon will never pass legislation to have Amazon, et. al., to collect sales taxes because it has no state sales tax.  Walmart has a business presence (stores) in California, so sales tax applies to online purchases.  Amazon has no business presence (no stores) in California, so Amazon isn't currently required to collect sales tax.
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lizipoo
Sick of sockpuppets
02:26 AM on 03/22/2011
I have numerous invoices from Amazon showing the sales tax charged on my purchases which were shipped to California and Nevada addresses.   Are you saying CA isn't collecting it from Amazon?   If so, that should be an easy fix for CA.  no ????   That is the basis of my confusion.   Why, if it is being charged, why is anyone asleep at the wheel then not collecting it from Amazon.
 
As a resident of Oregon, I'm pretty much aware that we do not have a sales tax as mentioned in my original post. 
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DRaymond
Network administrator, voiceovers
03:21 AM on 03/22/2011
Not everything purchased using Amazon.com's portal is sold by amazon.  Sometimes Amazon just passes the order along to the real seller, in which case that company's situation governs the collection of sales taxes.
 
Recently I bought two shirts on amazon.com.   One was shipped from Lands End, which I believe is actually owned by Sears Holdings.  The other was shipped from a company in Texas.   Sales tax was collected on the Lands End shirt but not the other.
 
Now the stuff that Amazon.com sells itself does follow the pattern described.
 
Now calling an affilliate a nexus really isn't that large of a jump from prior practice.  The law already said that a commissioned salesperson,  even if they are not full time and even if they are not an employee of the company, counts as a nexus.  Now what is a guy having an affiliate website but a commissioned salesperson?  He has some web technology, but from a business standpoint is there any difference.   Bear in mind the way most of these click-through nexus laws are written they only cover programs that pay based on sales.  Pay per view and pay per click advertizing generally  is not covered.
 
A couple of things to keep in mind is that nine of the top ten internet retailers by sales would charge a custemer in most states sales tax.   Amazon is the exception.  E-commerce is no longer this little industry that needs protection.
 
What is fair about the online operations of costco.com or staples.com or whoever having to charge sales tax but not Amazon?
 
Inevitably who takes a hit when somebody buys from Amazon instead of one of the other top 10 internet retailers that do collect sales tax?  My state takes the hit from the lost tax revenue.  Why does Amazon get this benefit?  It is a reward, compared to the other sites, for NOT contributing to my state's economy.   How backwards is that?
 
http://betweenthenumbers.net/2011/03/amazon-pushes-back/
http://betweenthenumbers.net/2011/03/clicks-and-mortar/
 
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11:36 AM on 03/22/2011
I finally got it.  You pay sales tax if you purchase thru Amazon but they use an affiliate.  I've never purchased through an affiliate because none of the Amazon benefits (like free shipping over $25) can be utilized.

IMO, sales tax won't make or break a deal, and I live in California.  Most counties here have a 9% plus sales tax rate.  Even though the economy is bad here right now, I don't see or hear people saying that they won't buy a product because of the sales tax.

I think that Amazon's thrown down the gauntlet in the Illinois matter, and we'll see what other states do.  

What happens to other retailers.  Amazon's big, so it's a target, but do a lot of online shopping and wonder if the smaller online retailers will be subject to collecting and remitting sales tax, too.
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jwinps
12:16 AM on 03/22/2011
I suppose that you do a lot of SHOUTING to get your points across in actual face-to-face discussions as well. You really could use a lesson in manners. Now, regarding AMAZON sales in North Carolina. Yes, AMAZON did not stop selling per se. But, by discontinuing its arrangements with web affiliates in North Carolina, the effect has been a decrease in sales by those affiliates. "The dispute has caused some consternation among North Carolina web entrepreneurs, because losing Amazon affiliate status cost some a great deal of money, and prevents others from acquiring the early revenue needed to establish an online business. See: Amazon Tax Fracas already causing problems for some startups." Source: http://www.techjournalsouth.com/2011/02/north-carolina-settles-amazon-suit-but-reserves-right-to-go-after-customers/
01:33 AM on 03/22/2011
you keep making the claim that people are losing money, but affiliates do little more than put links to amazon on their pages...hardly a boom revenue stream to be had there, but if they dont like the fact that amazon left, perhaps they need to take that up with amazon.

amazon pulled the plug in an attempt to generate backlash, but the reality is that states like NC need the sales tax revenue that amazon is avoiding. other large retailers are paying the tax in NC, amazon will find that if/when a federal law is passed they will have lost this battle and will obviously look to reinstate its affiliates.
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mlaiuppa
Pres. Sarcasm Society. Like we need your approval.
02:24 AM on 03/22/2011
Then I guess those affiliates should be complaining to their lawmakers about how they killed jobs in North Carolina and how businesses are suffering from decreased revenue because of the new tax law.

Not amazon's fault.

North Carolina lawmakers' fault.
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jwinps
02:47 AM on 03/22/2011
I never said it was either one's fault, just what the outcome was. I'm personally against forcing any retailer to change their underlying systems to accomodate the myriad of sales tax applications rules/regulations. I am in favor of a national sales tax rate [not adminstered by the Federal gov't, just a uniform rate] the collections of which by the e-tailers would be sent to the state governments. It would be relatively simple for e-tailers to program, states would get sales tax revenue, and no e-tailer affiliates would be potentially eliminated.
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RatPack78
I enjoy playing devil's advocate.
10:03 PM on 03/21/2011
All the state governments with their hand out for more money remind me of a line from "Fiddler on the Roof":

Man/Taxpayer: "Here's one kopek."
Begger/State: "One kopek?" Last week you gave me two kopeks."
Man/Taxpayer: "I had a bad week."
Begger/State: "So, if you had a bad week, why should I suffer?"
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Robearbeach
Atty. & Researcher Latin American Studies
09:52 PM on 03/21/2011
I love seeing libs screaming to increase the sales tax, the single most regressive tax there is, further shifting the burden of financing the government to those who can least afford it and costing jobs in the process. So incredibly stupid.
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Amalek
Highly decorated HP warrior
11:11 PM on 03/21/2011
It is not about increasing it.  It is about enforcing it evenly, creating a level playing field for all. 

It is an unfair advantage that internet retailers like Amazon have over your local retailers, resulting in the loss of both tax revenue and jobs.
11:59 PM on 03/21/2011
Dear Amalek:
I agree. Weird situation, here, where we live about 15 minutes from a large Amazon distribution center in Fernley, NV. I can order from Amazon - mostly books - which will be delivered via that warehouse and pay no tax. If the same book is bought in a book store, in Reno, the sale will be taxed.
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ArticulateAndClean
just ask Joe Biden
01:46 AM on 03/22/2011
Local retailers don't charge you a shipping charge.

Amazon usually does, with some exceptions.
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Raymond Rees
11:41 PM on 03/21/2011
So there are no Republicans who want this kind of tax? Do you have proof?
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02:25 AM on 03/22/2011
The GOP would abolish income taxes, particularly progressive income taxes, and have a 30% sales tax on everything -- even consumables.  That way the poor would simply starve, and the GOP would be rid of them.
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Robearbeach
Atty. & Researcher Latin American Studies
09:49 PM on 03/21/2011
This is a unique opportunity for a few states to really raise some money by keeping the internet tax free.
11:18 AM on 03/22/2011
wow, if you kept the internet tax free imagine all the small businesses in our communities that would suffer. Those that don't have shipping capabilities.
06:36 AM on 03/24/2011
First, Stamps.com makes shipping easy as well as UPS.

Second, this is being pushed by the Alliance for Main Street Fairness. Although the alliance presents itself as looking out for the little guy, trade groups like the Retailer Industry Leaders Associatio­n, whose members include Best Buy, Target, Walmart, Dollar General and Home Depot fund and work with the alliance support their efforts to quash competition.

3. Small businesses in your communities don't have to ship to the customers, the customers drive to local businesses so the costs equal out.

4. Small community businesses would benefit if their community was a hub for online retailers. The vast majority of sales are from out of state which brings in 'new' money to be spent within the local community.

5. Paying sales tax to a state you don't live in is taxation without representation.