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Blue Dog Democrat Heath Shuler Votes For Speedy Afghanistan Withdrawal


First Posted: 03/22/11 03:27 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:40 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- When it comes to congressional alliances, progressive Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) and Blue Dog Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) aren't usually mentioned in the same breath. But last week, Shuler was among the 93 House lawmakers who voted for Kucinich's ill-fated resolution calling for the speedy withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan, one of the only conservative Democrats to do so.

Kucinich's measure, H. Con. Res. 28, would have invoked the War Powers Resolution and directed President Barack Obama to remove troops from Afghanistan "by no later than the end of the period of 30 days beginning on the day on which this concurrent resolution is adopted," or by no later than Dec. 31 if that proved impossible.

The Ohio Democrat introduced a similar resolution last year, when the House was under Democratic control, but garnered just 65 votes in support, including five Republicans. This year, his measure's 93 supporters included eight Republicans.

For critics of the president's strategy, the vote from Shuler -- who last fall challenged former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) in her bid for the position of minority leader -- was among the most surprising and encouraging shows of new support.

"It would be a great service to our country if someone like Rep. Shuler, a centrist or Blue Dog Democrat, would take a greater role in providing the President with other options for our country in Afghanistan," said Afghanistan Study Group director Matthew Hoh, who resigned from his post as a Foreign Service officer in Afghanistan in 2009 after concluding that the United States could not achieve its objectives there.

Hoh, a former Marine captain, added: "If Shuler, who has proven himself already to be a leader within the Democratic Party, takes a bigger role or steps forward on this issue, he could bring along other centrist Democrats (and possibly Republicans) who understand that our current policy in Afghanistan costs far more than it benefits this nation."

Shuler could not be reached for comment for this report, but said in a statement on his website that his vote was motivated by concerns about the costs of the war and the use of U.S. national security resources.

"They [U.S. troops] have also worked tirelessly to develop a stable and responsive democratic government there," Shuler said in the statement. "That task, however, cannot be completed by American military action. It can only be accomplished by the Afghan people. Our nation is mired in debt and programs vital to the health and safety of American communities are on the budget chopping block. With more than $454 billion already spent on operations in Afghanistan and another $113 billion requested for the next fiscal year, the time has come for our troops to come home and for the Afghan people to stand up for their nation."

In July, Shuler also voted for a defeated amendment that would have required President Obama to develop a plan and timetable to withdraw troops from Afghanistan, although it did not specify a deadline or pace.

A large number of the new votes for Kucinich's resolution this year came from progressive Democrats such as Reps. John Conyers (Mich.), Mike Honda (Calif.) and Diana DeGette (Colo.) -- members who might have been expected to back a rapid withdrawal last year, as well. A staffer for one Democratic lawmaker who opposed the measure last year but now supports it said in an email, "Back then there were more options for progressives. Now, fewer options and we're closer to July date. Progressives getting fed-up, less tolerant."

The three new Republican votes came from Reps. Jason Chaffetz (Utah), Howard Coble (N.C.) and Dana Rohrabacher (Calif.), all of whom have been outspoken in their criticism of the war's direction.

Notably, both Coble and Shuler are from North Carolina, a state with a heavy military presence, including eight bases. Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.), who represents the district encompassing Camp Lejeune, has become one of the leaders of the effort on the Republican side to convince more lawmakers to explore alternative courses of action in Afghanistan.

"I was disappointed that not more Republicans voted for it," Jones said regarding Kucinich's resolution. "I hope more and more Republicans out in the country will contact their members of Congress and ask them to join in bringing our troops home. Yes, we did get more votes from the year before, but I'm very disappointed we didn't get 15, 20 Republicans."

Jones said he was particularly troubled by comments from Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Gen. David Petraeus indicating that U.S. forces will remain in Afghanistan even beyond 2014.

"I don't know how any member of Congress -- particularly Republicans -- who are so concerned about the financial shape of our country want to spend $7 or 8 billion a month to prop up a corrupt government," he said, referring to Afghan President Hamid Karzai's regime. "It just doesn't make any sense to me. More important than that is the kids that will be killed and lose their arms and legs."

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WASHINGTON -- When it comes to congressional alliances, progressive Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) and Blue Dog Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) aren't usually mentioned in the same breath. But last week, Sh...
WASHINGTON -- When it comes to congressional alliances, progressive Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) and Blue Dog Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) aren't usually mentioned in the same breath. But last week, Sh...
 
 
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BlueDog1
"Taking the High Road"
11:03 AM on 03/23/2011
I can get behind this guy 1200 percent, I am tired of picking cotton to pay off that criminal Karzia
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den1953
The best politicians are for free!
10:13 AM on 03/23/2011
Problem is the congress is filled with neocon hawkish Republicans and they want to punish the American people while they rebuild Afghanistan!
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ritaray08
Obama Supporter since 2004
09:38 AM on 03/23/2011
"Entitlement Reform" Why don't they call it what it is? "Social Services" Helping others to help themselves. Social Security belongs to the people that pay into the system. The name alone is misleading. If only it meant "reforming the Entitlements of the wealthy class...their 'loop-holes' for not paying taxes. That ALONE could fix our economy! PUH leezzeee! You can fool some of the people, some of the time.......
09:32 AM on 03/23/2011
"They [U.S. troops] have also worked tirelessly to develop a stable and responsive democratic government there," Shuler said in the statement. "That task, however, cannot be completed by American military action. It can only be accomplished by the Afghan people."
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I think Rep Shuler is right and has a good point. The U.S. military will not complete the setup of Afghan self-rule. I believe that the Afghans DO want to do run their own country and support their fledgling government. 86% of Afghans prefer the current government to rule Afghanistan (only 9% prefer the Taliban) (poll citation at bottom).

Where I differ from Rep Shuler is that if we leave too early, it won't matter what the Afghan people want. The Taliban won that battle once, and could again. Fortunately, the training of ANSF is finally, belatedly, 8 years too late, on a pace where it can make a difference.

Leaving precipitously could risk disaster, not just for the Afghan people, but for the American people. The last time the Taliban ruled Afghanistan, they hosted Al Qaeda. There's little reason to believe it would go differently on round two. We've tried abandoning Afghanistan before. It didn't work out well.

-FB's Card-Carrying American

(ABC News/BBC/ARD/Washington Post poll of 1,691 Afghan adults from Oct. 29-Nov. 13, 2010, random sample in all 34 provinces)
08:15 AM on 03/23/2011
Who knows? Perhaps some common sense is creeping into congress.
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rgilley
08:12 AM on 03/23/2011
Find out who the Democrats that voted against the Kucinich measure are and fire them next election they are in ! Simple if we just get out and VOTE!!
07:28 AM on 03/23/2011
Shuler is no centrist. He is a republican who stole a Democrat's hat to wear during campaigns.
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justin i
My micro bio is no longer empty
08:08 AM on 03/23/2011
Essentially, yeah. I live in his district and voted for him (you should have seen the other guy), and Shuler conservative on almost every issue that counts with a couple exceptions.

Actually most blue dog dems are what republicans used to be before they moved the posts so far right.
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rgilley
08:14 AM on 03/23/2011
Blue Dog democrats are Republican inventions to put stealth candidates in our government. If we vote for a democrat we shoud be assured they will vote democratic ideology 100% of the time just as republicans do !! Throw these blue dog dems out and get real democrats !!
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mburgh
Come Back Samuel Gompers
08:27 AM on 03/23/2011
Where an we find them?
05:35 AM on 03/23/2011
Odd how the comments are few on this article while thousands play on less important issues so it looks like most could care less we at war once again. Those who do congrats, the rest are bucket carriers.

Obama has become Obushma!!!!
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rgilley
08:16 AM on 03/23/2011
Obama will go down in history as the weakest capitulaing President in the history of the country. And I just hope Kucinich has the guts to primary him in 2012!! Kucinich would make the best President we have had since Roosevelt if he ever gets elected. However, it seems principled men don't get into the WH anymore. Surely a sign of America's decline.
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bryan broome
All your money won't another minute buy.
08:33 AM on 03/23/2011
"principled men don't get into the WH anymore"
You seem to have forgotten Jimmy Carter.
02:52 AM on 03/23/2011
Some have said, " its much more complicated." Well its not complicated. Pick up the phone, call the pentagon, say, "bring all our troops home as soon as possible."
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04:12 AM on 03/23/2011
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Tom Nesbitt
02:41 AM on 03/23/2011
P.S. Blue Dogs...oh yeah, I remember those guys...
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Tom Nesbitt
02:40 AM on 03/23/2011
Ha! Ha! It's a funny article because it's about Heath Shuler and we're pretending it has any relevance at all! Ha! Ha! LOL!LOL!
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ewldest
I don't care "whose" war it is - end it now
12:31 AM on 03/23/2011
Hoh: "(...) our current policy in Afghanistan costs far more than it benefits this nation."
It's as simple as that, and all too obvious. At best a handful of multinational corporations get richer, but that does nothing for the rest of us. And yet the war is about them, and their profits, not about our security anymore, not about terroiosts, and certainly not about 'bringing democracy to Afghanistan.'
Raise the outcry - the wars must end NOW.
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DeathSquad
Founding member of A.R.L.A.
12:15 AM on 03/23/2011
Thank you Rep. Shuler.
12:13 AM on 03/23/2011
Lots of misdirected and befuddled consciences can't rationalize the value of these global 'police actions' and the what they've done to protect the peace since WWII. Since it's all driven by humans and sometimes with taints of hubris and greed, it's messy, but what are the alternatives.

In the end, it really is "them" or "us". When 5 or six rogue actors with an a-bomb, h-bomb, dirty bomb, or other unknown tactic can take out a US city, it's time to take any opportunity available to clean out the swamps of human discontent and make room for human progress. The lives lost are not trivial, but the availability of powerful weapons has created this world of asymmetrical warfare where the few can attack the powerful and even dislodge them. This is the modern day version of David and Goliath where Goliath is us!

We're killing more people with alcohol in this country than are being killed in Afghanistan every year. And that's only one of the top 10 or 20 killers with similar numbers here in the US and around the world...........many of those lives are sacrificed to feed the pleasure of the killer rather than for some more noble cause. There is no excuse for any of these deaths (or even of the far greater number of injuries), but these war deaths are not in vain.

War is hell, but until humans see another way, it's going to be with us.
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ErnestineBass
No longer a cog in The Machine.
01:03 AM on 03/23/2011
*burp*
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Voltaire911
Beware of the Kabuki Dance of Opposition
11:36 PM on 03/22/2011
On Bush's war: the Democrats are one trillion dollars short and a decade late. How many votes in 2012 does Obama think he will win by adopting Bush's insane foreign policy?
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04:14 AM on 03/23/2011
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but in america .........hero worship is all the rage........

obots = hero worshipers
bushies = hero worshipers
branch davidians = hero worshipers


there's a deep river that runs through the heartland of america........it's called denile.
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rgilley
08:20 AM on 03/23/2011
It's called ignorance born of laziness and defeatism, both perpetuated by Conservative les, misinformation and obstructionism designed to favor the elitist in the miltary industrial complex.
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mburgh
Come Back Samuel Gompers
08:30 AM on 03/23/2011
I thought it was called the Mississippi. And who in history didn't worship heros?