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Libya War: Where Gaddafi Remains In Charge, Residents Publicly Voice Loyalty

Gaddafi Loyalists

AP/The Huffington Post   First Posted: 03/24/11 09:31 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:40 PM ET

BANI WALID, Libya -- The family of a Libyan soldier killed in an allied airstrike quickly listed all those they blame in his death – al-Qaida militants, Al-Jazeera television and "the Crusader conspiracy to divide Libya."

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It mimicked nearly word for word the rhetoric that Moammar Gadhafi's state television has been using to explain the revolt that has engulfed the country. In public, where Gadhafi is in charge, people are on message.

The regime has been keeping up a drumbeat of propaganda in the Tripoli-centered west of the country under its control. Even so, some still whisper their opposition to the Libyan leader.

State-run newscasts are filled with conspiracy theories, like Western designs on Libyan oil and Gulf-funded al-Qaida militants out to divide the country. Libyan broadcasts call the allied air strikes Crusades, and callers on talk shows quickly blame Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya, the Arabic language satellite TV channels, for boosting what they call militant gangs in the East, where the rebels are in control.

In between talk shows and newscasts, looped video of demonstrators at Gadhafi's residential compound at Bab Al-Aziziya are shown under a title reading, "Bab Al-Aziziya Now." Excerpts of Gadhafi's speeches calling rebels vermin and rats, promising to disinfect Libya street by street, alleyway by alleyway, act as bridges between revolutionary songs on Libyan state radio.

The leader's speeches have even become made into catchy songs that blare from supporters' cars and are even used as mobile phone ring tones.

With only Libyan state television and radio available in the country, the uncontested messages seem to be sinking in.

Fathi Abu Bakr, a soldier in Gadhafi's army, died in the conflict. In the small town of Bani Walid, about 120 miles (200 kilometers) southeast of the capital, his family staged a tiny pro-Gadhafi rally for visiting journalists on Wednesday in the small front yard of their simple home.

Abu Bakr's family said the soldier was killed in a French air strike on Saturday in Benghazi, leaving behind a wife and two children, who moved back to her family's hometown.

"I am very happy he was martyred fighting the people who are trying to divide our country," said his aunt, Nooreya Mouftah. "They are all militants from Afghanistan, Egypt and Tunisia."

When pressed on how she knew the rebels were not Libyans, Mouftah looked puzzled. It's just a known fact, she told reporters, clutching a picture of a smiling Gadhafi in military uniform.

Last week her family was given a brand new AK-47 assault rifle by the government to protect themselves from rebels. Mouftah grabbed the gun and fired it in the air, posing for the journalists' cameras.

"The West wants to conspire against us because we have happiness, wealth and oil, and they want to take it from us" she said.

Back in Tripoli, the Gadhafi protesters are loud and boisterous.

They are quick to rally for the benefit of foreign journalists, chanting the same line – "God, Moammar, and Libya: That's enough."

Carrying AK-47s and large, glossy photos of a Gadhafi in various stages of his life and fashion, they extol "Brother Leader's" messages of fighting al-Qaida, repeating his claim that Western allies are "envious" of Libya's wealth.

The capital's main Green Square is filled daily with a group of supporters dancing to blaring pro-Gadhafi music and waving green flags. They chant "Down Down BBC, Down Down Al-Jazeera" and shout at journalists to "tell the truth."

But the crowd has been thinning in recent days.

In Tripoli's quiet alleyways, and in neighborhoods like Fashloum and Tajoura that saw clashes with Libyan security forces during protests a month ago, there are hints of something under the surface that still seems afraid to come out.

In the old city, almost all shops are closed, their green shutters tightly locked, people afraid for their wares in this time of crisis.

A jewelry shop owner was surprisingly candid with journalists, considering Gadhafi's harsh attitude toward dissent.

"Gadhafi has put us in a tough position," he said, refusing to give his name for fear of retribution. "He shouldn't have ordered his men to fire into peaceful protesters."

Asked about the government's claim that the rebels were a group of al-Qaida gangs and thugs, he laughed.

"How is it that all of Libya – Zawiya, Zintan, Misrata, Benghazi – all are al-Qaida?" he said. "Gadhafi is the problem."

The shop keeper quickly fell silent when the journalists' government minder entered the store.

In another part of town, a taxi driver who would give only his first name, Ziyad, said he joined the protests in the troubled neighborhood of Souq Jumoa almost a month ago.

"I am one of those youth who has become suffocated with life in Libya," he said. "I want opportunities like other youth in the world, but Gadhafi just makes us suffer."

Ziyad said he always wanted to learn English, but wasn't able to because the education system in Libya was poor. He said he quickly went home when Libyan security started shooting at protesters in Tripoli.

"I'm not sure if people will take to the streets again, because they don't want to die," he said. "But it is there – something is definitely bubbling."

@ BreakingNews : Anti-Gadhafi fighters in Misurata say 28 people had died in the city in the past three days - Al Jazeera http://bit.ly/ecR130

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Gaddafi forces have reportedly captured the wife of Moussa Koussa, the former Foreign Minister who defected while in England. Reports the Telegraph:

The wife of the Libyan foreign minister who defected to Britain earlier this week has been seized by Colonel Gaddafi and is being interrogated by his "internal security" officials, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

She is thought to have been captured amid eyewitness reports of a fierce gunfight at Col Gaddafi's central Tripoli compound as the regime stepped in to stop further defections.

Yesterday, local residents recalled how the most fierce firefight yet seen in central Tripoli had erupted within hours of the regime confirming that the Foreign Minister had defected.

Read the entire report here.

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NBC's Ann Curry tweets that the U.S. will move to support missions only:

@ AnnCurry : NBCNews: US military will stop flying COMBAT missions over Libya, only SUPPORT missions incl reconnaissance, starting April 2.

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Channel Four correspondent Jonathan Rugman spoke with Libya's former Prime Minister Abdul Ati al-Obeidi, who said that Gaddafi is trying to set up talks to stop the killing. During the interview, Obeidi told Rugman, "We are trying to talk to the British, the French and the Americans to stop the killing of people. We are trying to find a mutual solution."

Watch a report from Channel Four on the Libya talks below:

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Despite complaints to the contrary, the U.S. Senate actually did support a no-fly zone over Libya. The AP reports:

Some lawmakers are grousing loudly that President Barack Obama sent the nation's military to Libya without Congress' blessing. They're ignoring a key fact: The Senate a month ago voted to support imposing a no-fly zone to protect civilians from attacks by Col. Moammar Gadhafi's forces.

With no objections, the Senate on March 1 backed a resolution strongly condemning "the gross and systematic violations of human rights in Libya" and urging the U.N. Security Council to take action, "including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory."

There was no recorded vote. It was simply approved by unanimous consent.

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Reuters reports:

@ Reuters : FLASH: Libyan government rejects rebels' conditions for ceasefire, says troops will not leave Libyan cities

Reuters adds:

"They are asking us to withdraw from our own cities. .... If this is not mad then I don't know what this is. We will not leave out cities," said Mussa Ibrahim, the government spokesman.

Read more here.

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Robert Haddick, writing at Foreign Policy, argues that the rebels need combat skills much more than they need heavy artillery. He writes:

On March 30, it was reported that CIA officers were in Libya with the rebels, making an assessment of their situation and possibly directing airstrikes in support of their fighters. We can gather from open sources much of what these intelligence officers are likely to report. As a military force, Libya's rebels are a disorganized rabble and seem incapable of preparing and holding defensive positions or maneuvering effectively against rudimentary enemy resistance. The rebels need boot camp, fundamental infantry training, and the development of some battlefield leaders, not a new stockpile of weapons.

Those Western leaders whose plan currently consists of hoping that Qaddafi will be spontaneously overthrown need to think again. Absent a Western invasion of the country, the rebel force is the only means of removing Qaddafi, and the rebels will need many months or even years of training before they are capable of defeating loyalist ground units and marching all the way to Tripoli.

Read the entire piece here.

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Gunfire has been reported in Gaddafi's compound. Reuters reports:

Sustained gunfire rang out near Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's heavily fortified compound in Tripoli on Friday and residents said they saw snipers on rooftops and pools of blood on the streets.

It was not clear what triggered long bursts of machinegun and automatic gunfire that echoed around the city center for about 20 minutes and stopped before dawn.

Cars were heard speeding along central Tripoli streets, their tires screeching on the asphalt. Distant shouting or chanting also was heard.

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A journalist who was picked up by Libyan security details his ordeal. Here's an excerpt of his story from Reuters:

We sat quietly. I turned to Chris, a London-based Canadian I had worked with in Iraq. I said I thought they would kill us.

A soldier opened the lock and the rear door swung open again. We looked down at the back of a station wagon which had been opened up to reveal some blankets. I thought they would perhaps drive us away. Maybe they were going to free us?

But a closer look showed feet poking under the blankets.

Soldiers then pulled aside the coverings and hauled three handcuffed young men up and in beside us. When we were locked in again, they told us they were Libyan university students.

Later, several soldiers came in. "Who are you?" one asked me. We are Reuters journalists, I said. He is our driver. We have permission. We were invited here by your government.

The soldier shook his head. "Bad time to be a journalist in Libya." Reporters were part of a foreign conspiracy against Libya, he said. But then he made it clear that if they decided we were not journalists but spies, that would be worse.

"If you tell us the truth, it should be fine, God willing. But if we catch you lying, oh we will show no mercy. None."

Read the rest here.

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Libyan rebels have made a deal to sell oil to Qatar. Reports the AP:

A plan to sell rebel-held oil to buy weapons and other supplies has been reached with Qatar, a rebel official said Friday, in another sign of deepening aid for Libya's opposition by the wealthy Gulf state after sending warplanes to help confront Moammar Gadhafi's forces.

It was not immediately clear when the possible oil sales could begin or how the arms would reach the rebel factions, but any potential revenue stream would be a significant lifeline for the militias and military defectors battling Gadhafi's superior forces.

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Gaddafi forces are attacking home in Misrata, according to rebels. Reuters reports:

Forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi are mounting an intense artillery bombardment of rebel-held Misrata and pro-Gaddafi troops are attacking shops and homes in the city center, a rebel spokesman said.

Misrata is the last big rebel stronghold in western Libya but after weeks of shelling and encirclement, government forces appear to be gradually loosening the rebels' hold on the city, despite Western air strikes on pro-Gaddafi targets there.

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The Associated Press reports:

Libya's rebels will agree to a cease-fire if Moammar Gadhafi pulls his military forces out of cities and allows peaceful protests against his regime, an opposition leader said Friday.

Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, head of the opposition's interim governing council based in Benghazi, said the rebels' condition for a cease-fire is "that the Gadhafi brigades and forces withdraw from inside and outside Libyan cities to give freedom to the Libyan people to choose and the world will see that they will choose freedom."

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Libyan rebels moved towards the key oil town of Brega on Friday, as conditions drifted towards a stalemate. Reuters reports:

Libyan rebels moved heavier weaponry toward the oil town of Brega on Friday and sought to marshal rag-tag units into a more disciplined force to regain momentum against Muammar Gaddafi's regular army.

While military action appeared to drift toward stalemate, coalition diplomatic efforts focused on breaking Gaddafi's hold on power in Tripoli. London urged Gaddafi loyalists to abandon him, following the defection of Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa.

Rebels said neither side could claim control of Brega, one of a string of oil towns along the Mediterranean coast that have been taken and retaken several times by each side in recent weeks. The insurgents have failed to hold gains, even when helped by Western air strikes.

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From Al Jazeera:

German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle says Libya's crisis cannot be resolved through military means and all sides must get to work on a political resolution.

Westerwelle said on a visit to China that a first step must be a cease-fire that is heeded by Gaddafi.

More details here.

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BBC News reports that U.S. senators are drafting legislation that would authorize the use of force in Libya. The senators include John Kerry and John McCain.

The 1973 War Powers Act says US armed forces must start to withdraw after 60 days unless explicitly authorised to fight by Congress. In the case of Libya, that mark would fall on 20 May, Mr Kerry said.

More here.

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The National Journal reports that the U.S. may be on a slippery slope when it comes to the Libyan mission:

It’s an old question, but we’ve been through enough of these interventions now --from Vietnam to Kosovo to Afghanistan--to insist on asking it once again: Is the United States on a slippery slope in Libya, one that will lead to American military involvement on the ground? The evidence, on balance, is that under President Obama the U.S. presence is going to expand quickly—but covertly.

Read the full article here.

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Reuters reports that Libya's top oil official, Shokri Ghanem, has denied rumors that he left the country.

Al Jazeera television listed Ghanem as one the figures who had left Libya, but Ghanem said in a phone call, "This is not true, I am in my office and I will be on TV in a few minutes."

More here.

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BBC News reports that London Mayor Boris Johnson, a Conservative, offers his concerns about involvement in Libya:

"I am worried that what we may be doing inadvertently is entrenching support for the mad colonel... I do worry that if we get into a stalemate, if the rebels don't seem to be making the progress we hope they would make, then we should be brave enough to say to ourselves our policy isn't working."

More here.

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The New York Times reports that as a second top Libyan official, Ali Abdussalam el-Treki, defects from the Gaddafi government, fears mount within the regime.

The capital of Tripoli was alive with rumored defections on Thursday, with the prime minister and the speaker of Parliament, among other top figures, said at various times to be quitting the country. None of those reports could be verified. But the authorities were taking no chances, assigning guards to senior officials to assure they cannot leave, a former Libyan official said.

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BBC News reports that, according to U.S. Admiral Mike Mullen, international air strikes have been hampered by bad weather over the past few days.

According to AFP, Mullen says that they have not been able to see through the weather to identify targets. "And that has more than anything else reduced the impact... reduced the effectiveness, and has allowed the regime forces to move back to the east."

More here.

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Al Jazeera reporter Anita McNaught discusses the defections in Libya:

"We got word from sources outside of Tripoli that there were at least four senior figures from the Gadaffi administration who were perhaps in Tunisia, or certainly outside the country and not intending to go home. These were, last night as we understood it, the current head of the Intelligence Service, the Oil Minister (and I'll mark a question mark with that in a minute), the Secretary of the General People's Congress, and the Deputy Foreign Minister."

More here.

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BBC News reports on apparent threats in London by a pro-Gaddafi protestor:

Libyan state television has broadcast footage showing a pro-Gaddafi protestor in London yanking open his jacket and vowing to turn himself an "explosive bomb", a video on YouTube shows. The incident is said to have occurred at the protest near the Foreign Office in Whitehall on 29 March. In the clip, which has been circulated widely on social media, the man refers to anti-Gaddafi protestors as "traitors and rats", and exhorts Libyans to "return to the Koran."

More here.

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The Guardian reports that Mohammed Ismail, a senior aide to Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam, has traveled to London for confidential talks with British officials.

It is suggested that the regime may be looking for an exit strategy. There is speculation that Gaddafi's sons, namely Saif al-Islam, Saadi and Mutassim, are looking for a way out.

Although he has little public profile in either Libya or internationally, Ismail is recognised by diplomats as being a key fixer and representative for Saif al-Islam.

According to cables published by WikiLeaks, Ismail has represented the Libyan government in arms purchase negotiations and acted as an interlocutor on military and political issues.

"The message that was delivered to him is that Gaddafi has to go and that there will be accountability for crimes committed at the international criminal court," a Foreign Office spokesman told the Guardian , declining to elaborate on what else may have been discussed.

More here.

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The Associated Press/Huffington Post report:

Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan continued his defense of embattled Libyan strongman Moammar Gaddafi during a press conference in Chicago Thursday, and slammed the United States' decision to get involved in the conflict.

The 78-year-old leader of the Chicago-based organization spoke at Mosque Maryam, the Nation of Islam headquarters, according to the Chicago Tribune.

"It is a terrible thing for me to hear my brother called all these ugly and filthy names when I can't recognize him as that," Farrakhan said of Gaddafi, according to the Tribune. "Even though the current tide is moving against him ... how can I refuse to raise my voice in his defense? Why would I back down from those who have given so much."

Farrakhan has publicly defended Gaddafi a number of times since the Libyan uprising began. He reportedly visited the Libyan leader in the 1980s, and told attendees of a Nation of Islam convention in February that the United States should stay out of Libya's affairs.

Full report here.

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Breaking News reports on Twitter that according to the UK Independent, Britain is in talks with ten more Gaddafi officials about possible defection.

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BBC News provides the account of a witness in Tripoli.

According to the witness, any anti-government dissidents who spoke out publicly were deemed by officials as mentally ill and thus detained indefinitely. Because of this, the witness is not surprised that Iman al-Obeidi was immediately described as mentally ill last week.

She is not the first case of rape we have heard of here.

I have heard of two other cases in recent weeks. One of them was of a Moroccan housekeeper who was left behind by her employers as they fled to a safe house because half their family members had been detained.

The story that circulated through word-of-mouth was that security forces stormed the house she was staying in with the intention of detaining the rest of the family. Finding her alone there instead, they raped her.

Read the full account here.

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AP reports:

A top Libyan diplomat now supporting the opposition says most high-rank Libyan officials are trying to defect but are under tight security and having difficulty leaving the country.

Ibrahim Dabbashi, Libya's deputy U.N. ambassador, told The Associated Press on Thursday that Libya's U.N. Mission, which now totally supports the opposition, knew two days in advance that Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa planned to defect.

"This is a big blow to the regime," Dabbashi said.

He said the mission had been waiting for about 10 days for Ali Abdessalam Treki, a former foreign minister and U.N. General Assembly president named by Moammar Gadhafi to be the new U.N. ambassador, to defect. Treki announced his defection Thursday in Cairo.

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Libya's Transitional National Council has released a statement on counter-terrorism. The council says that it condemns and will combat all forms of terrorism.

Regarding al-Qaeda, the council states:

It emphasizes also its full commitment to the implementation of the relevant Security Council resolutions on Counter-Terrorism, including the resolutions on the Sanctions concerning al-Qaeda and Taliban, with the full commitment to all measures and sanctions concerning any individual or entity associated with al-Qaeda and Taliban as determined by the Sanctions Committee.

The council pledges to help the United Nations and cooperate with it's counter-terrorism task forces.

Read the full statement here.

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HuffPost's Saki Knafo reports:

Earlier this week, rebel forces in Libya fought their way to the outskirts of Sirte, a seafront city about the size of Tallahassee. The day before, pushing westward along the coast from Ajdabiya, they'd recaptured the oil towns of Brega and Ras Lanuf -- Sirte, experts said, was the last major obstacle standing in the rebels' path to the capital city of Tripoli.

Sirte. Before Sunday, few outside Libya had heard of it. Now it's being portrayed as the key to Libya's hopes for democracy, the fulcrum on which the nation's fate would turn. Its importance can be explained partly by location, its proximity to the capital. But it mattered for other reasons, too, reasons that reveal a lot about a conflict with complexities outsiders are only beginning to grasp.

Read the full story here.

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According to The New York Times, U.K. Foreign Secretary William Hague denies that Moussa Koussa was offered any immunity to lure him to leave Gaddafi's regime. Hague reports that he is voluntarily speaking with British officials.

The prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, said on March 3 that he would investigate “alleged crimes against humanity committed in Libya since 15 February, as peaceful demonstrators were attacked by security forces.” He placed Mr. Koussa second after Colonel Qaddafi on a list of “some individuals with formal or de facto authority, who commanded and had control over the forces that allegedly committed the crimes.”

More here.

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Nina Platter
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02:04 AM on 03/26/2011
I still say we should learn from Israel and bomb like crazy for 10 days and get out.
12:44 AM on 03/25/2011
When will political leadership will learn that war or any armed conflict is always the result of the . failure of politicians and diplomats .No country has the right to interfere in the internal affair of any country. In a civil war , people of country in civil war should sort out their issue them self. However, if due to civil war in a particular country the national interest is effected then that country should tell its people and people around the world the truth instead of forcing .U.N resolution to militarily intervene to protect unarmed civilian killing by ruthless leaders. If that is reason for example to militarily intervening in Libya ,then in all fairness, U.N should also pass resolution to militarily intervene in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia. Yemen, Jordan, Kashmir and Chechnya
All i have to say in the end that the politicians and diplomats world over should prove the are worh their name
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david5000
Detective & Pilot
08:29 PM on 03/24/2011
Isn't NATO that has the command & control in Afghanistan?? their collateral damages are usually civilians mostly kids.
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sophiemaki
08:05 PM on 03/24/2011
( equals GW being elected into a second term........ )
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TheBMChief
The trees are the right height
06:42 PM on 03/24/2011
"I'm outraged!" Said the right.
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Ramkshrestha
Welcome to Nepal - the birthplace of Buddha
06:09 PM on 03/24/2011
Voice against the power: before NATO people were against Gaddafi and mow against NATO.
06:05 PM on 03/24/2011
So Al-Qeada (Al-CIA-DA) attacking Libya is a conspiracy theory when Gadhafi says it it, but it's fine when Bush and Obama say they're attacking USA?

I think it's wake up time people.
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TheBMChief
The trees are the right height
06:43 PM on 03/24/2011
Unfanned. 0 now.
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david5000
Detective & Pilot
08:31 PM on 03/24/2011
replaced you.
03:58 PM on 03/24/2011
These pages jump so much it's almost unreadable.
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allengoldchain
Freedom is never voluntarily given bythe oppressor
03:56 PM on 03/24/2011
Not a war, a 'time-limited, scope-limited military action'...
"don't call it a war! It's a kinetic military action

uhhh kinetic military action? what the! I wonder why liberals are still silent on the matter. Doesn't the US, going into another war..uhh I mean kinetic military action, not bother liberals to the point of protesting?
04:08 PM on 03/24/2011
I don't know that I'd call it a war. Typically, in a war two sides fight each other. This action is one-sided naked aggression by the Christians of the West against a defenseless brown-skinned nation. It is Christians doing what they do best: slaughtering the defenseless.
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pjones006
If I knew what I was doing, would I be here?
04:22 PM on 03/24/2011
Kind of like what KaDoffi is doing to his people?
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07:57 PM on 03/24/2011
It was one-sided naked aggression by a mad man against his own people.When did the
Arab League and the African Union change their skin and covert?
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jneedhamp
03:12 PM on 03/24/2011
It seems there are two fundamental cultures battling for control in the Middle East: One culture celebrates life, and the other celebrates the taking of life. I suggest the "West" decide which they wish to support, and let those who celebrate the taking of life decimate themselves or assist those who celebrate life preserve it! It will not be possible to have it both ways.
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pjones006
If I knew what I was doing, would I be here?
03:20 PM on 03/24/2011
Unfortunately no leaders/governments in the ME celebrate life, they all celebrate control of their people.
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jneedhamp
03:49 PM on 03/24/2011
@pjones006 - Agreed. It appears to me Western, Judeo-Christian culture, celebrates control of those who celebrate the taking of and would deny, life. Likewise, Middle Eastern culture celebrates control of those who would preserve the sacredness of life. Osama Bin Laden even made the statement referring to Western Culture, "You love life. We love death."
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Steamboater
Forget hope. Agitate.
03:57 PM on 03/24/2011
Life is cheap whenever religion gets into the mix.
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jneedhamp
11:33 PM on 03/24/2011
@Steamboater - Well, at least when ONE alleged 'religion' gets into the mix - and it's not Judeo-Christian.
02:37 PM on 03/24/2011
The French and U.K. have the taste of "Light Sweet Crude" dripping from their poisonous fangs.
Algeria and Egypt were wholly organic movements. This war is brutal colonial European greed. The so-called opposition was shooting on the first day. I support the people Libya. But now the devil is in their business and he is a soul collector, and oil, and money, and the lives of children. Obama needs to extract us from this Bull S#&t (wit the quickness). Support the so-called rebels; give em guns, money, and prayers. BUT NOT A SHOT FROM AN AMERICAN GUN! I have contempt for the ol European Right. They are the people who less than half a century ago had the entire "non-white" world oppressed with a level of violence we Americans can scarcely imagine.

I'll help all of you that can't.

67 years ago the Ol Europeans left the killin fields with bout 100 million human bodies piled up, bout 50 million horses too. They also committed the most heinous crime “known” to history. Both eastern and western Europe colluded to exterminate the Jews, from the body of Europe, (with German precision) and to steal their treasure as well. Italy and Bulgaria may be exceptions. I also make exception to the majority population of Europe seeing as most of them weren’t really free till the later part of the 20th century.
04:13 PM on 03/24/2011
Nothing has changed. We are seeing the Christian nations of the West slaughtering the defenseless dark-skinned Muslims of Libya. They have been doing this for centuries. Only the lies justifying this cowardly behavior have changed.
02:32 PM on 03/24/2011
Here's some news for you.

If anyone dared to divide or bomb my country, I would send my wife, son, mom, dad, brother, and myself to war with them.

Libyans. Take a page from the Afghans. Defend your motherland, anything else would be criminal.
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pjones006
If I knew what I was doing, would I be here?
02:39 PM on 03/24/2011
Take your dads advice and lay off the Nescafe.
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pjones006
If I knew what I was doing, would I be here?
02:42 PM on 03/24/2011
Yeah, not all dictators are bad and freedom ain't all its cracked up to be.
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Anabelle Lee
02:21 PM on 03/24/2011
I wonder if Gaddafi has acquired hemochromatosis from drinking all of that camel milk for so long?
It does have ten times the iron that cattle milk has.
It might be something to consider.
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SageFire
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02:23 PM on 03/24/2011
My husband has that. It is really bad if you don't know it.
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Anabelle Lee
02:32 PM on 03/24/2011
I hope he will be fine. I know it makes males very susceptible to modified gram-negative rod-shaped bacterium. He must always be careful.
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XcessiveHeat
What we do in life...Echoes in eternity.
02:32 PM on 03/24/2011
SageFire, my heart goes out to you and him.
02:14 PM on 03/24/2011
Here is some context for how we've arrived at this point in time. And after our inappropriate response to the 911 attacks in goind to Iraq, we've followed the GWB model (unfortunately using the OBL plan for the US).

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Osama-Bin-Laden-s-Goal-to-by-michael-payne-100822-119.html


"Osama baited and set the trap. His goal was to bankrupt America and he had a plan to carry it out. When he planned the despicable attack of 9/11 he wanted America to lash out in anger and revenge and have U.S. military forces bogged down in quagmires around the world. He believed that these massive military operations would drain the wealth of America and eventually lead to economic collapse. The Bush administration took the bait, fell into the trap, and America may never be the same.

This is why we need a better model that allows arab nations to become free from ty.ranny without our boots on the ground, while either peacefully or through brave insurrection winning freedom and democracy with support from the global community.

Now we have to do this simultaneously while, fighting against corporations, the MIC and politicians who profit from this action and cause us to im.plode form within.
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ShambalaMountain
Kiss the Buddha.
02:03 PM on 03/24/2011
"The International Court has Gaddafi in its sights."

Hope they can also see in their sights the Pro-Gaddafi tanks and artillery that are repulsing the small-armed Rebels. Additionally Gaddafi's Armor is protedcted and entrenched in Tripoli using civilians as shields.

So without foreign military ground assistance or close-air-combat support, Gaddafi is not going anywhere.

You either commit to War, or you don't. It's not something you can internationally finesse.
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justsomeguywhocameby
Wherever you go there you are.
02:13 PM on 03/24/2011
"War" is a very slippery word.