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Government Funding Talks Devolve Into Widespread Recriminations


First Posted: 03/28/11 02:26 PM ET Updated: 05/28/11 06:12 AM ET

Negotiations over a resolution to keep the government funded until the fall have devolved into recriminations, with Senate Democrats arguing that House Republicans moved the goal posts, party operatives criticizing the White House's negotiating tactics, and GOP leadership calling congressional Democratic demands unreasonable.

The spirit of the discussions has grown so foul that no formal talks have occurred in nearly a week and what once seemed like a possible path for compromise has been replaced with a growing fear that a government shutdown may, in fact, take place.

The possibility still exists that negotiations can be restarted. For that reason, no source -- whether on the Hill, in the administration or outside of public office -- would agree to talk on the record. But the story of how the parties ended up at this stage still provides a telling reflection of how divergent theories regarding cuts and spending remain.

According to multiple Democratic sources, "quietly productive" talks over a continuing resolution to keep the government funded through the end of September were progressing as recently as last Tuesday. Weeks prior, the Senate held two ceremonial votes -- one on the Republican's preferred package (H.R. 1), which contains roughly $60 billion in cuts relative to the current spending levels, and the other on the Democrat's preferred approach, which keeps spending levels where they are. Both failed.

After those votes, members of House Speaker John Boehner's office, alongside Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and officials with the Office of Management and Budget, held "productive" conversations, yielding a series of stopgap measures -- totaling approximately $10 billion worth of cuts -- to give negotiators more time to work on a long-term CR.

At this point, the stories diverge. Democrats say that all parties agreed that a baseline for a final agreement should be the current levels of spending. In that regard, the White House and Senate Democrats had already agreed to $10 billion in cuts (the cost of the stopgaps) while the Republicans had offered $60 billion. It was understood, though not explicitly stated, that the two parties would meet somewhere in the middle.

A top Republican aide called this bunk. "We sure as shit never agreed to negotiate off the current spending levels," the aide said, implying that House Republicans wanted to use H.R. 1 as the baseline, forcing Democrats to articulate the cuts they could live with and those they couldn't.

That, however, was a nonstarter for Democrats. "It would be like us demanding that we negotiate off of President Obama's 2012 budget," said one party official. "They're projections, not law."

Democratic leadership took the first step toward the middle, putting out an initial proposal that would reduce spending levels by $11 billion, bringing total reductions, when adding the stopgap measures, to about $21 billion. That proposal included $7.5 billion in discretionary spending cuts and $3.5 billion in mandatory spending cuts (things like subsidies for Medicare). "That's real," said a top Senate Democratic aide, "not a gimmick."

Republicans said the number wasn't sufficient, leaving the Democratic faction at the negotiating table split. Echoing others in the caucus, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) had already said that any additional discretionary spending cuts would be unacceptable. The prospect of major defections should the party cut even further was obvious.

According to another Senate Democratic aide, the White House was willing to roll those dice.

Before House Republicans had settled on H.R. 1, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the chair of the budget committee, had put together a continuing resolution that called for $32 billion in cuts for the rest of the fiscal year. Under Tea Party pressure, Ryan upped that total to $60 billion.

White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley, the Senate aide said, "indicated to the Speaker's office that [going back to Ryan's original cuts] was a reasonable level that we would strive to meet." The aide declined to say whether or not other Democrats were comfortable with Daley's decision, the counter-argument being that the party could have held out longer, and secured more in return, before signing off on $32 billion.

A party operative, plugged into the discussions, made it clear that there were disagreements over the chief of staff's negotiating tactics.

"He is choosing to appease Republicans over fighting for Democratic principles," the operative said, pointing to a post put together by the Obama-allied Center for American Progress, arguing that $32 billion in cuts is "not much of a compromise if we end up with what the House Republican leadership wanted in the first place."

An administration official, offered a chance to correct the narrative, said that he "can't and won't comment on details" pertaining to the budget talks.

While the numerical details of Daley's offer were first reported in the Wall Street Journal this Monday, the aforementioned top Senate Democratic aide said the proposal was discussed more than a week ago. They were not, however, part of the discussion during last Tuesday's stormy meeting. As first reported by Politico's David Rogers, talks basically disintegrated after the staff director of the House Appropriations Committee, Bill Inglee, insisted that the party would not consider current spending levels as the baseline for negotiations.

"There hasn't been a formal meeting of the three parties since that meeting," the Senate aide told The Huffington Post. "We are still at work ... [Daley's] offer has been prepared for the better part of a week but it hasn't been offered yet because we don't know, according to Hal Roger's guy, that Paul Ryan's level is where they would accept a deal anymore."

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Negotiations over a resolution to keep the government funded until the fall have devolved into recriminations, with Senate Democrats arguing that House Republicans moved the goal posts, party operativ...
Negotiations over a resolution to keep the government funded until the fall have devolved into recriminations, with Senate Democrats arguing that House Republicans moved the goal posts, party operativ...
Negotiations over a resolution to keep the government funded until the fall have devolved into recriminations, with Senate Democrats arguing that House Republicans moved the goal posts, party operativ...
Negotiations over a resolution to keep the government funded until the fall have devolved into recriminations, with Senate Democrats arguing that House Republicans moved the goal posts, party operativ...
 
 
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06:31 PM on 03/29/2011
I recall the Bush stimulus package was a simple tax credit that gave tax payers money to spend. It didn't work, because tax payers didn't spend the money. As I recall, money given to the unemployed gets spent! Budget cuts means REDUCED spending. The Republican strategy is TAX CUTS to the wealthy and reduced spending to the poor. Obviously, the Republicans either are blinded by their ideological beliefs or they want to damage the economy to kill the recovery for partisan purposes.... make sure the democrats fail! (Seems like I heard that before).
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Tom Sito
03:39 PM on 03/29/2011
In January the Repubs voted 100% not to cut the Billions in subsidies we pay Oil companies like Exxon/Mobil who are making the largest profits in history. That shows you how much they really care about the deficit.
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treadway123
treadway123
02:05 PM on 03/29/2011
It is so easy! We have more commitees on Capitol hill than God has phrohets! It's time to cut those commitee in half an down size our goverment. Delegate work to the remaining committees. Stop Politicains like Issa from wasting our money on Witch Hunts, an save millions! cut Congress/Senate pay by 5%, an make them pay for their own H.C Ins! Shut down a lot of the offices an make these guys in congress/Senate double up an save thousands in Electric/heating Bills. Pay for their own office Supplies! No redecoration on the peoples money, only out of their own pockets! Car Pool for them! Pay for their own security! Our biggest drain is our wars/our Goverment liveing large! Before we cut teachers pay, cut congress/Senate! Before we strip unions, strip Goverment Commitees down to a reasonable size!
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Brent Harrelson
02:22 PM on 03/29/2011
personally, i would have some economic geniuses sit down and figure out a baseline average for the bottom 50% of income earners in america. then i would tie congresses salary to that. if the bottom 50% starts doing better (through higher income, lower expenses, whatever) then congress' pay goes up by the same percentage. if the bottom 50% gets worse off then congress' pay goes down correspondingly.

it's basically a pay for performance system and by using the bottom 50%, i think, it would discourage polis from working only for their rich lobbyist/campaign donors.
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CivilDebate10
Low Info People = Statism's Best Friends
01:40 PM on 03/29/2011
Here is the solution - it is very close to Obama's own debt commission (which he so spinelessl­­y has abandoned) and according to liberal and conservati­­ve economists alike, would fix the problem:

1. Raise the retirement age to 70 for those under 40 (phased)
2. Index Medicare and Medicade payments to inflation - no greater increases, ever.
3. A real 5% cut in Defense (not a decrease in projected increases, a real cut).
4. Increase the tax rate for those over $500K to 40% [There, I said it, it is disgracefu­­l that this needs to be done, but, so be it.]
5. Cut corporate rate to 20% but do away with almost all special tax breaks. [I would just do away with the corporate taxes and raise the top individual rate more but that would really send the left into a tizzy and they can't understand that consumers and shareholde­­rs pay corporate taxes]
6. Do a real, repeat real, 2% cut in all other federal spending. NOT a reduction in projected increases, a real 2% cut.

Both sides failed so far.
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Brent Harrelson
02:30 PM on 03/29/2011
knowing what we can reasonably do isn't really the problem though. getting leaders with the guts and vision to DO IT is the problem.
01:06 PM on 03/29/2011
Why not go back to the Eisenhower era where the super wealthy paid 91% in taxes. Whjy not cut subsidies and tax breaks to oil companies? They seem to be able to make plenty of money on their own. Why not cut tax breaks to companies that outsource jobs? What ever happened to "Made in America"? That would not only add millions of much needed money but would also supply jobs? Where are the JOBS? Mr. Speaker. Cutting funding for NPR and Planned Parenthood doesn't add up to a whole heck of lot. What about the military? Even Sec. Gates said cuts should be made.
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MsYellowDog
01:34 PM on 03/29/2011
What happened to "Made in America" was Ronald Reagan.
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Brent Harrelson
02:41 PM on 03/29/2011
"Why not go back to the Eisenhower era where the super wealthy paid 91% in taxes."
(because we have the finest govt that money can buy and the super rich buy it all the time.)

"Whjy not cut subsidies and tax breaks to oil companies?"
(see above response but substitute super rich with oil companies)

"What ever happened to "Made in America"?"
(all those stickers are now printed in China)

"Where are the JOBS?"
(China and India mostly. They can do them just as well as we can, and cheaper. We need a national education strategy to educate and train Americans for the high tech jobs of the future while we still have a lead in such fields. When America is a nation of bankers, scientists, researchers, space explorers, entrepreneurs, doctors, engineers, and technicians then we won't care where our I-phone, or our car, was manufactured.)
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balthus
10:33 AM on 03/29/2011
Just as long as Paris Hilton doesn't have to pay more taxes.
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Whitemellon
09:37 AM on 03/29/2011
500,000 people marching in the streets of London and no story in HP. Why, that's news in my opinion. The people in England are sick of their government for the same reason some of us are sick of ours. The difference is, they have the stones to do something about it. Their MSN will report it. What has happened to the HP. AOL shutting them up or they don't consider a march of a half million people newsworthy?
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Deborah Mathews
The good of the many outweighs the good of the few
12:29 PM on 03/29/2011
Great question, can we get an answer?
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Brent Harrelson
02:47 PM on 03/29/2011
if americans would start marching in the streets then we would start seeing some real leadership in this country rather than a bunch of partisans who (rightly) ignore their apathetic constituents. .
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Deborah Mathews
The good of the many outweighs the good of the few
03:22 PM on 03/29/2011
You do have a point.
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blogger x
Both parties sold us out a long time ago.
04:06 AM on 03/29/2011
Time and again our politician­s from the President to the Congresspe­rsons tell us that we, the people, AREN'T too big to fail. Even though we put them in office, they tell us that we are too small to matter, that there are other more pressing issues ahead of us.

They use most of their energy playing political games and pandering to the bankers on Wall Street, the corporatio­ns, and the MIC while Main Street falls apart. Because Main Street is too small to matter.

Public workers are being laid off all over the nation because they aren't too big to fail. Millions of people are still loosing their homes because they aren't too big to fail.

Even though Libyans are considered too big to fail, Americans aren't! Why is this so? It doesn't surprise me that Congress' approval is the lowest it's been in a very long time. People are starting to see that our elected representa­tives no longer work for the public's interest, they work for private interests -- the TOO BIG to FAILS -- who could care less if America burns. Because after all, we are too small to matter to them.
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Brent Harrelson
02:56 PM on 03/29/2011
the average american thinks congress is doing a terrible job. the average american ALSO thinks that THEIR congressperson is doing ok. (my guess is that the average american ego doesn't allow the average american to admit that they voted for part of the problem, but that's just a guess.) thus, we dislike congress, the nation slowly crumbles, yet we keep re-electing the same people over and over again.

impatience is another huge issue. people overwhelmingly voted for hope and change, but since obama hasn't been able to magically solve all our problems in less than three years they turn their backs on him.

basically, we aren't to big to fail because we forget that logic, reason, education, sacrifice, dedication, patience, compromise, and participation are required of citizens in a well-functioning democracy. we aren't too big to fail because we would rather attack each other for our differences rather than come together to build on the many things we have in common. we aren't too big to fail because we, the people, make ourselves too small to matter.
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
02:23 AM on 03/29/2011
When Democrats behave like Democrats and stop cutting social programs and stand up to Republicans, voters will come out for them.  
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Brent Harrelson
02:59 PM on 03/29/2011
sadly, when democrats cave in is WHEN they are behaving like democrats. we REALLY need a democrat version of reagan - someone who unapologetically believes in what they believe and will stand up for it.
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balthus
02:11 AM on 03/29/2011
The Repugs spent the entire midterm election blasting Obama and claiming they would create jobs. Now they can't even get their troops in line to create legislation that can pass. It's the difference between being able to throw a childish tantrum and governing like adults.
marka
A Purple State Progressive
12:58 PM on 03/29/2011
Republicans don't govern--are disinterested in the process. They only like gumming up the works and getting elected. Until Democrats take them on directly, we will only get more of the same thing. Dems are too darn aloof, expecting people to observe and mark the behaviors of the republicans without them having to point it out. This is wishful thinking. We need more Wisconsin style passion in our national discourse. Democratic leaders...Speak up!
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Brent Harrelson
03:08 PM on 03/29/2011
claiming that they would create jobs was a ruse they knew would get them elected. it's hardly surprising that immediately after getting elected they pressed for more tax cuts for the rich, wasted time trying to eliminate national health care even though they KNEW it would fail, and began trying to slash social programs which they dislike because they help americans who aren't rich and who don't vote for them.

all of this, and not being able to govern like adults, was as predictable as sunrise. one has to really wonder what character flaw makes so many people keep voting for them.
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Tom Sito
01:45 AM on 03/29/2011
Republicans won't compromise, because so far they win when they play hardball. The weak-kneed Dems need to find their guts.
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Brent Harrelson
03:16 PM on 03/29/2011
i TOTALLY agree, one hundred percent. dems need to go on the attack, stay on the attack, and keep attacking EVERY destructive, idiotic republican policy and point out EVERY republican hypocrisy until they start crying and begging for us to please leave them alone. then we need to attack some more.

americans are tired of war in afghanistan. americans support public education and they believe in americans helping americans. americans are tired of being enslaved by oil and they would support alternative energy. americans are tired of being subjects of wall street. americans believe that we live in a society, not just an economy. in almost every field americans agree more with dems so we should be fighting viciously on EVERY front.
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hairydodger
12:14 AM on 03/29/2011
Shut it down? We bailed out banks and corporations and wall street. Let the government fail? WTF is going on? I'm confused. How about you?
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Brent Harrelson
03:20 PM on 03/29/2011
it's not that confusing really. as long as wall street and a very small percentage of americans are making money hand over fist then all is well in the world. the country, the govt, and the people don't matter. you are not a person or a citizen. you are merely one, insignificant part of a wall street/republican economy.

make sense now? :)
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Tquin
11:46 PM on 03/28/2011
This one will belong to Harry Reid and the democrats. They can't cut any percent of a budget, because they only tax and spend. Just the little people have to meeet budgets.
02:26 AM on 03/29/2011
From what I have seen of the Repugs, they CUT taxes and spend.
Which is much worse.

Funny how that doesn't work so well.

Don't believe me? Check out the Bush Jr. presidency, especially while the Repugs had Congress.
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Brent Harrelson
03:25 PM on 03/29/2011
tax and spend is HOW govt works. cutting taxes and spending more is how govt FAILS. thus, we have the consequences of bush's tax cuts - (read sarcastically) the glowing economy we all now enjoy, peace and democracy in afghanistan, and the wonderful budget surplus that he left us. reps keep saying that govt doesn't work, and then they get elected to prove it.
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CivilDebate10
Low Info People = Statism's Best Friends
11:38 PM on 03/28/2011
Here is the solution - it is very close to Obama's own debt commission (which he so spinelessl­y has abandoned) and according to liberal and conservati­ve economists alike, would fix the problem:

1. Raise the retirement age to 70 for those under 40 (phased)
2. Index Medicare and Medicade payments to inflation - no greater increases, ever.
3. A real 5% cut in Defense (not a decrease in projected increases, a real cut).
4. Increase the tax rate for those over $500K to 40% [There, I said it, it is disgracefu­l that this needs to be done, but, so be it.]
5. Cut corporate rate to 20% but do away with almost all special tax breaks. [I would just do away with the corporate taxes and raise the top individual rate more but that would really send the left into a tizzy and they can't understand that consumers and shareholde­rs pay corporate taxes]
6. Do a real, repeat real, 2% cut in all other federal spending. NOT a reduction in projected increases, a real 2% cut.

Both sides failed so far.”
11:25 PM on 03/28/2011
This is about one thing and one thing only, how can we continue the tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations........... GE paid.. Zero Dollars in taxes for 2010, not one cent in taxes. why is this happening, because the supreme court has decided that corporations are people. So how does this figure into the Big Picture, politicians will now pander excursively to corporations and work on their behalf. not the people.... why because of MONEY and GREED... (Tax Breaks, Subsidies,No CAP N Trade ).. this whole thing is nothing more than a joke.
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Deborah Mathews
The good of the many outweighs the good of the few
12:38 PM on 03/29/2011
Corporations are people, but people are not people...are I getting this correct?