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For Mormons, What Does 'Follow The Prophet' Really Mean?

Mormon Prophet

First Posted: 03/30/11 10:35 PM ET Updated: 05/30/11 06:12 AM ET

By Peggy Fletcher Stack
Salt Lake Tribune

SALT LAKE CITY -- Mormon President Thomas S. Monson, his two right-hand men and 12 apostles will take to the podium at this weekend's (April 2-3) General Conference and offer sermons that many Mormons will treat like faxes from God.

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints consider these 15 men "prophets, seers and revelators" and look to them for divine guidance on issues as profound as the role of the Holy Spirit and as seemingly trivial as using "thee" and "thy" in prayers.

Mormons don't use the term "infallibility" to refer to their leaders and readily acknowledge that they are imperfect men. In practice, though, Mormon belief comes awfully close to that standard.

"We pay lip service to the prophet's fallibility," said Edward Kimball, son of late church President Spencer W. Kimball. "But when you come down to specifics, we can't think of any incidents where a prophet was wrong."

It's a conundrum for the ever-growing Utah-based church. Founder Joseph Smith took the title "prophet" and claimed divine messages, but also urged members to think for themselves and to ask God directly about the truth of various pronouncements.

One of Smith's most radical concepts was "continuing revelation," the notion that the scriptural canon did not end with the Bible and that well-established beliefs could be altered -- even overturned -- by new messages from heaven to the leaders in charge.

So much authority is ascribed to the Mormon president, though, that quasi-prophet worship by the far-flung members of the 14 million-member faith seems unavoidable.

After all, Mormon children are taught to sing "Follow the Prophet" and are assured that he never will lead the church astray.

The adherence to authority can create tensions for faithful Mormons who opposed the church's support of Proposition 8 that banned same-sex marriage in California, or those who now object to the church's support of a compassionate approach to illegal immigrants.

How, then, should Mormons view their leaders? What happens when they slip? And when, if ever, is it OK to disagree with them?

Smith knew his limitations and said a church president spoke for God only when he was "acting as a prophet." But few Mormons then or now could separate the man from the office. Instead, many have elevated his stature into an impossible realm.

Members say Smith was "just a normal man with failings and weaknesses who was called to do extraordinary things," said John Fowles, a Mormon lawyer in London, "but then many are very uncomfortable with even the very mild report of some of his weaknesses and failings."

Their faith is sometimes shaken, Fowles said, and it's all because of "unrealistic and unnecessary expectations."

For their part, Mormon leaders know they are fallible.

"Forget everything I have said, or what ... Brigham Young ... or whomsoever has said ... that is contrary to the present revelation," the late apostle Bruce R. McConkie once preached. "We spoke with a limited understanding."

When asked about his statement discounting that man would ever reach the moon, former church President Joseph Fielding Smith said, simply, "Well, I was wrong."

Indeed, biblical history is full of imperfect prophets. Moses killed a man and later met God face to face. King David committed adultery and then murder. In Mormonism, LDS prophet Brigham Young expressed racism, and a decade before his 2008 death, LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley confessed that "adulation is a disease I fight every day."

"I'm grateful to know this and more," said Molly Bennion, a Mormon in Seattle. "Their very fallibility gives me hope that I can overcome and that God might forgive me."

Bennion said those who follow the LDS prophet unthinkingly "never develop the spiritual strength necessary to weather the inevitable disillusionment in some leader or, perhaps worse, in oneself."

All humans learn as least as much from their mistakes as from their triumphs, Bennion said. "To deny our leaders that possibility seems unfair."

The speeches at General Conference and elsewhere mostly emphasize long-standing doctrines and LDS standards already spelled out in official publications, said Mormon sociologist Armand Mauss of Irvine, Calif. They largely serve to "build and maintain a sense of community among the Latter-day Saints in a diverse world."

And that can make it tough, Fowles said, to disagree.

Mormon writer Jana Riess experienced that firsthand last October, when her Flunking Sainthood blog took issue with LDS senior apostle Boyd K. Packer's critical conference comments about homosexuality.

Some blog commenters were "calling for my head for publicly disagreeing with a general authority," said Riess, who lives in Cincinnati. "But what is wrong with disagreement and debate? I did not say anything hurtful about ... Packer; I did not attack him personally. Nor did I question that he is called to hold the position of authority that he does. I simply disagreed with him. Why is that so threatening?"

Ultimately, LDS observers say, Mormons have to decide for themselves how much deference to give the words of their leaders and deal with the consequences of their choices.

Philip Barlow, who teaches Mormon History and Culture at Utah State University, said it's entirely possible to appreciate the intentions and example of LDS leaders, without falling prey to blind adoration.

"The wonder is not that some or another leader has disappointed in word or action," he said. "The proper wonder is that, with all the foibles to which we humans are subject, church leaders may ... exhibit the truth of what Jesus spoke of: grains of salt and bits of leaven capable of enlivening a whole people with the taste of the transcendent."

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BurtonDesque
Fear a Blank Planet
06:21 AM on 04/27/2011
Fork over the 10%!
New Yorker
Roman Catholic, Anti-DEATH, Combat Vet, Sinner
09:51 PM on 04/17/2011
Beware False Prophets !
11:27 PM on 04/22/2011
Even worse are false Profits.
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BurtonDesque
Fear a Blank Planet
07:30 AM on 04/27/2011
No, the LDS' profits are quite true.
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BurtonDesque
Fear a Blank Planet
07:31 AM on 04/27/2011
Like Moses, Peter, Paul, etc, etc.
New Yorker
Roman Catholic, Anti-DEATH, Combat Vet, Sinner
08:34 AM on 04/07/2011
Christ's Beloved and Blessed Mother appeared at Fatima, Portugal in 1917, and proved the power of God by even predicting miracles she then provided through her intercession with God that were witnessed by a crowd estimated at 50 to 70,000 people of every kind on Oct 13th, 1917. The Blessed Mother warned us that we must turn back to God, who is already far too offended by the sins of mankind, or a war even more terrible than the one then raging (WW1) would occur.
Even the words of the Blessed Mother, backed up for any who may doubt, by massive unduplicatable miracles that were undeniable witnessed by vast crowds and predicted specifically to the date, and time and place months earlier, are NOT treated as the teachings of Holy Scripture,as the Words of Christ and before Christ,as the words of the Prophets. So now, post Christ, No additional Prophets are required, None, and so none are provided by God. Nothing of consequence need be added to achieve salvation, not a word. Not even when they come from The Blessed Mother, and backed up by huge undeniable Miracles only God Himself can create.
06:25 PM on 04/19/2011
She never appeared because the BIble states that when believers die in the Lord they go to be with the Lord and are at peace waiting for the resurrection at the last day. God uses angels as at times as divine messengers--that is their job, but he does not use human beings that have passed on. But in some cases demons pose as 'angles of light' --that is waht scripture says. I would say this appearnace or whatever it was at Fatima if not mass delusion was demonic because and Is ay that becasue it has served to take the focus of God and exalt a mere human being to demi-goddess-like position and powers.

You say you don't treat the supposed words of the Blessed Mother as scripture but why DO you capaitalize "Blessed Mother" when capitalisations are resevered for the name of God the Father, the Holy Spirit and Jesus only--because they are God. Mary is not God. See you have given her exalted status beyond what God ever intended and that is idolatry and you have de-glorified God by placeing this focus on her and ascribing these powers to her
New Yorker
Roman Catholic, Anti-DEATH, Combat Vet, Sinner
01:42 PM on 04/20/2011
If one recalss that Christ who is God, when asked how we would be able to know what things were, "Of God" he replied, "You shall know them by their Fruits, Good trees bear Good fruit." The Marian Apparitions have alwats met this test. Fatima has millions of people who visit the Fatima site each year and pray and fast, and give alms, and then there are many miraculous and well documented cures across the last 94 years since The Blessed Mother appeared to the 3 peasant children. There is a shrine erected on the site, and the good works that pour from that place more than justify they are, "Of God".

Mary the virgin mother of Christ is the only human born without the stain of Original Sin. This is why we call her, The Immaculate Conception. Mary had to be free of all sin because she was to be, and is, the New Arc of The Covenant, the New Covenant that Jesus established the son of God whom she carried within her. Since sin cannot exist in the presence of God, and Christ was sinless always, she could not be touched by sin and fulfill her role as Mother of God. The angels announced her unique status at her annunciation with the words, " Hail, Full of Grace the Lord is with thee." Mary is simply the holiest human that ever existed. She is destined to crush the head of the serpent.
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BurtonDesque
Fear a Blank Planet
07:31 AM on 04/27/2011
See a mental health professional ASAP.
New Yorker
Roman Catholic, Anti-DEATH, Combat Vet, Sinner
08:01 AM on 04/07/2011
The words of Christ guide His Church, along with the power, wisdom, and presence of His Holy Spirit, a person just as Jesus Himself is a person in God. The Catholic Church will declare, after the proper investigation, that a person is a saint. Padre Pio died in 1968, carried The Stigmata and its pains for 50 years in life, and was able to speak with his guradian angel, and Jesus the way any of you might spaek with your friends. If you read the biography of this saint you will learn some enlightening things he observed from that, including words he quotes from Jesus Himself. The Church, however never attempts to endorse those words, or suggest they are worthy of teaching, as the words of Holy Scripture are, regardless of they may agree with the Church's teachings. That is because Christ and His Holy Sprit gave us all we need from the life Jesus surrendered on the Holy Cross. Like I said, No Additional 'prophets' need add to any of the words of Christ, ever. (Padre Pio said the Demons from hell so populate the earth that if we could see them , they would blot out the sun)
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
06:36 PM on 04/07/2011
You guys waving that smoking thing, eating the cookie, and proclaiming saints
--- are in just as nutty a religion as the mormons (as you are all entitled)

MESSING WITH THE LIVES OF NON-BELIEVERS WHO DO NOT HARM YOU
WAS NOT ADVOCATED BY JESUS
01:10 AM on 04/15/2011
You are obviously not very familiar with the New Testament. In it, many people (including Jesus and Paul) explain the Christian responsibility to "mess with the lives of non-believers," or what they call "Gentiles":

"Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, ***of the Gentiles also:***" - Romans 3:29

"But beware of men... ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a ***testimony against them and the Gentiles.*** But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak." - Matthew 10:17-19

"And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him... And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; ***A light to lighten the Gentiles***, and the glory of thy people Israel." - Luke 2:25-32

Often men scorn that which they do not understand.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
07:52 PM on 04/05/2011
TWO DAYS AFTER THE EVENT -- no one chiming in about the exciting new announcements
in mormon progress. Pretty much all the posts since then have been directed towards me, none of them from any mormons who agree that ANYTHING I write about their church is worthy of consideration.
I would leave it with this--

OPEN HEARTS LOOK TO GOD

CLOSED MINDS DO NOT

Sure, I am going to hear that MY mind is closed -- but actually, it was open, just hoping for a sign that the mormons are backing off a LITTLE from "the right to run everybody's morals".
Of course, I would have preferred Monson to say "What were we thinking? Not only have we used unChristian tactics, but we can't expect others to not try to run US, if we keep trying to run THEM" --- but I would happily have settled for something like, "God has shown us that we should encourage mormons not to contribute to NOM, but remain neutral and let God take care of the matter"

You see, I am NOT a hater -- but I do hate when people seem "too good" to look back, re-think, and search for possible future improvement. For me, God is there when I open my heart, and God is not there when my mind is made up.
04:46 PM on 04/04/2011
36 arguments for the existence of god:

http://www.randomhouse.com/pantheon/authors/goldstein/
01:40 AM on 04/24/2011
And yet all of you... .ALL of you... are in reality athiests. Don't believe me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0A4_bwCaX0
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powercosmic
The Anti-Christ
03:28 PM on 04/04/2011
I tell you what it means!

It means keep coming to the Mormon Ch.urch and expanding the social network while shutting out the competing Memes so that the Ch.urch Parking lot becomes the Public Square.

Well, freedom requires truth and a dilution of power, mormons are trying to concentrate power in the hands of a few.
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powercosmic
The Anti-Christ
03:22 PM on 04/04/2011
One day, and quite soon I hope, to admit beliefs such as those ascribed to the mormons will laughable and a social taboo.

Clearly, mormonism is a testament to what you can get away with when people are as ignorant as those on the frontier were when Joseph Smith pulled this laughable hoax on child-women no doubt.

Ignorance and tyranny are the enemies of freedom and truth, and both sets can only be had as a pair.
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Conservador-Rebelde
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04:27 PM on 04/04/2011
I'd argue that you can have lgnorance without tyranny.... you prove that by your posts.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
11:31 PM on 04/03/2011
EXCITING DRAMATIC NEWS FROM THE CONFERENCE:

Single Mormon men who are postponing marriage should get to it right away, LDS President Thomas S. Monson said Saturday night at an all-male priesthood session of the church’s 181st Annual General Conference.

Monson also turned to the tough topic of divorce.

Canceling a “sealing” or temple marriage is “the saddest and most discouraging responsibility I have,” he said. Each of these marriages began as a joyous wedding in an LDS temple but ended when love died. The vast majority of those seeking a “sealing cancellation,” previously known as “temple divorce,” are women who wanted to save their marriages, but couldn’t overcome the challenges in the end.

WELL, THEY MISSED ANOTHER CHANCE TO TRY OUT THE 21ST CENTURY
I wonder if there are social secretaries in the afterlife to change out the seating arrangements for eternity when a mormon marriage fails.
I care only very slightly what they do about each other, but I was looking for some movement
toward not spending millions pretending they are God's cops
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Conservador-Rebelde
Insert witty comment here:
12:02 PM on 04/04/2011
For someone who clearly despises Mormons, you have a lot of interest in General Conference...
here's to the hope you were edified to some degree, even if you still disagree with all of their teachings.
04:48 PM on 04/04/2011
bob is just doing his part to draw attention to the absurd....
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COPESTIR3
04:57 PM on 04/04/2011
excellent post. I have an LDS friend that after two months of knowing someone, got a temple marriage. Now as she get to know him better, she realizes she may have made a mistake. Just like my parents, they received the blessing of the church at a 3 month courtship. All through my parent's hideous, hate filled marriage the hapless Bishop could only say it was up to the woman to over-come these challenges. So naive, to think that to just get right with the church could over come these "challenges." The General conference tends to re-enforce my belief that this organization is just naive.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
05:50 PM on 04/04/2011
BACK IN THE DAY...
Folks made the best of things -- or actually, they put on a front of doing so

The 80+ "prophets" don't know the world has changed, but they DO know that any kind of real change or modernization means something closer to free thinking, which automatically means loss of members and tithing.

WHY APPROVE QUICK MARRIAGES? To keep the premartal sex down as much as they can.

I WOULD NOT SAY "NAIVE", but I would say DESPERATELY NEEDING TO KEEP CONTROL --- that is how they can do stuff like Prop 8
02:02 PM on 04/05/2011
President Monson is not condoning quick courtships, he is telling people that they should not put off marriage in order to wait until things are better. Finances, work, school, etc...
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zwyziec
I am what this election is all about!
06:42 PM on 04/03/2011
Just another cult led by a group of male prophets.

Where's the prophetesses?

Or are females restricted to the kitchen and bedrooms?
07:16 PM on 04/03/2011
Recent surveys show that the women in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are happier within their faith than any other significant religion in America
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
07:28 PM on 04/03/2011
Yes, absolutely! One of them has made many comments on this thread, for all to see her contentment shining through.

After all, the women still rank second, after White straight men.

REAL dissent, of course, is as welcome to them as a ham sandwich with butter would be in an an Orthodox Jewish temple.
10:42 AM on 04/03/2011
"But when you come down to specifics, we can't think of any incidents where a prophet was wrong."

Oh really. I unfortunately was raised as a Mormon; did the whole spiel, even went on a mission. I clearly recall some "prophecies" by Joseph F. Smith, the sixth president of the Mormon church. One of them was that "man will never reach the moon - will never set foot on it". Another was: "The Negro will never hold the Priesthood; not in this world, or in any of the worlds to follow".

Years later, Blacks were suddenly allowed to hold the priesthood when public lawsuits against the church were threatened.

So I guess when these jokers say they can't think of any instances where the "prophets" were wrong, what they really mean is, we *mustn't* think of them.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
07:30 PM on 04/03/2011
God "clarifies the prophecies" when public pressure and shame call.

I was hoping this conference would yield "clarification of the prophecies" on stuff like
lying to pass Prop 8
06:15 PM on 04/04/2011
For those who wish to rewrite the true facts, they call it lying.
Bellla
Trans & Proud
09:18 AM on 04/04/2011
Glad you got out!
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Terri Lorz
09:53 AM on 04/03/2011
I think it is very difficult not to believe that one's religious leaders are not perfect. I see people diefy their guru's and any one who they think is more enlightened. There is a saying - "if you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." What it means is to learn from others - but don't make them your prophet, guru or a stronger voice for what is right for you - than yourself. Thanks - Terri Jo Lorz
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
06:03 PM on 04/03/2011
Terri, there are lots of good reasons to believe that everything your religious leaders do is perfect
--- unfortunately, they are all selfish, uncaring, unloving reasons

GOD IS PERFECT --- men who take "callings" in which people may regard them as perfect
have an impossible task. (note that women dont get those callings, they are too busy taking care of kids, and you know, they bleed and get hysterical)
08:38 AM on 04/03/2011
Re: "...What does follow the prophet really mean?"

it means morman adults, like most of the rest of us, are not thinking like adults...

It is the responsibi­lity of thinking mature people to recognize there is much we don't know and will likely never know and be humble enough to admit this and try to live our lives as clear eyed and as well as possible, without carrots and sticks (heaven and hell) and myths about gods and prophets and so on......

no need to fill in the gaps in our knowledge and understanding with just any old thing our culture throws our way....
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
05:50 PM on 04/03/2011
The 2 main reasons for the missions...

1-- immerse young people in the church 24/7 at an age where other folks are questioning the world and forming their lifelong views. (it short circuits their critical thinking brain). After this, you have no real choice but to marry, stick around, and tithe.

2-- send young people out to be rejected and mocked while supposedly on a Godly mission, fueling the persecution complex and distrust of outsiders that you see in the mormons commentting here, This, not God, is the glue that holds the organization together.

OH, YEAH --- a FEW of the "missions" actually do some good for outsiders, maybe, but the waste of effort on most of them is silly.
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LamAng
07:57 AM on 04/03/2011
the old monk came running to the head monk and said...there has been a mistake, its suppose to say celebrate and not celebate!
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
12:39 AM on 04/03/2011
The conference goes on.... I was going to try to watch some of it, but the sheer size and decor of the room just remined me that it is all a squeaky clean prosperity cult
http://newsroom.lds.org/article/watch-general-conference-live-april-2011-blog
But I checked the highlights and press releases for any revelations the prophets might
have announced re MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS
http://newsroom.lds.org/article/coverage-and-news-media-resources-from-the-181th-annual-general-conference

George Harrison saw it coming and wrote a song for him and his friends to sing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXdKlpBOvs0
01:54 AM on 04/03/2011
I find it astonishing that you are just waiting in the wings for some evidence of Mormon evil out of conference. I just watched all of it today and it was Nirvana, absolutely uplifting and inspiring, I'm still on a high from it and can't wait to go tomorrow with a nice family brunch. LDS life is great. LDS families are even greater.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
05:44 PM on 04/03/2011
I WRITE SOMETHING HOPEFUL ABOUT THE FUTURE (if unrealistic)

YOU WRITE THAT I AM LURKING, LOOKING FOR EVIL
--- hey, I found it!

--- Wonder why folks start to dislike mormons personally, after we attempt to get you to accept reasonable criticism? SURE, after a few of your jabs, I want to call your temple a circus of greed, just going by the evidence YOU present.

--- MY religion says NO SAINTHOOD for self centered, smug "followers of Jesus" who do not CARE who gets caught in their collateral damage, as they march toward a heaven that will not admit them. (the rich man, camel, eye of needle thing)
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11:42 AM on 05/14/2011
Good grief, SegoLily1--Just pray for Bob Kellerman! If you've been reading the posts BK has written, you know he was badly hurt by people in the Mormon Church. And yet your response--and that of others in your Church--is you are "great and greater".

I've had bad experiences in that organization, too, and quite a bit of it was due to the "Mormons are special; set apart; will attain a higher glory/kingdom; have special prophecies and inspirations no one else gets" on and on and on. It's the arrogance and "we're better/more holy than anyone" that puts rifts between people.

I was in the LDS Church for about a decade. Mormons are not better than anyone else. LDS families are not " even greater" than other families. Mormons are humans with individual strengths and weaknesses--including their leaders--just like anyone else. The LDS Church is not for everyone. I'm very happy being a nondenominational Christian, and many others are just as happy as I am--or you are--in other faiths.

BK is obviously emotionally wounded in some way as are many others who have been hurt by "religious people" in their past. As Christians we should pray for their hurts to heal and discover the love of God and Christ, however they find it. Christ's love is supposed to uplift and help others and bring them to Him, but pretending some people are "greater" won't do that.