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Big Business Dominating Tax Reform Talks

First Posted: 04/06/11 03:38 PM ET Updated: 06/06/11 06:12 AM ET

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WASHINGTON -- As Congress grinds closer to shutting down the federal government and the White House floats proposals to cut social services for working families, big business is gearing up to try to win yet another budget battle: overhauling the corporate tax code. However the current budget tussling between President Obama and congressional Republicans ends, corporate titans and their lobbyists appear poised for a big victory at the expense of the American middle class.

President Obama said he hopes to eliminate many corporate tax loopholes during his State of the Union address, but he also pledged to cut the overall corporate tax rate -- a joint policy the White House has billed as "revenue neutral," meaning it will neither increase or decrease overall corporate tax receipts. The administration has not yet outlined which loopholes it wants to close or how far it wants to push down the tax rate.

Buoyed by the prospect of a business-friendly tax overhaul, however, the Business Roundtable and other high-powered corporate lobbyists are using tax reform negotiations to push for more offshore tax breaks and official federal forgiveness for tax avoidance schemes. They got a big boost on Tuesday when House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) pledged to actively reduce corporate taxes in his fiscal 2012 budget proposal, which would also do away with or fundamentally change key social services, including Medicare.

Ryan's sweeping budget plan generated fierce opposition from congressional Democrats. But it may spark renewed enthusiasm for using the December released bipartisan deficit commission report as a starting point for long-term budget negotiations. The corporate tax reform proposed by the commission would permanently push popular offshore tax shelters beyond the reach of Uncle Sam -- very bad news for legislators, economists and average citizens hoping to see big companies play a bigger role in helping to narrow the budget gap. A bipartisan group of senators is already engaged in talks based off the report, and, in the wake of Ryan’s budget proposal, Third Way, a centrist Democratic think tank with close ties to Wall Street, is pressing lawmakers to hammer out a compromise largely based on the commission’s recommendations.

The push for lower corporate tax rates comes during a flush time for corporate America. Overall corporate taxes as a share of GDP are hovering around one percent, the lowest share of GDP since World War II.

"At a time when cuts to access to college, cuts to scientific research are on the table, it makes no sense to take corporate taxes off the table," said Chuck Marr, Director of Federal Tax Policy for the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a left-leaning think tank focused on economic issues. "The country is just starting this process of deficit reduction, and there are going to be some wrenching choices."

A senior Treasury official defended Obama's push for a revenue-neutral corporate tax overhaul in a recent meeting with reporters, contending that the main threat to today's economy isn't low corporate tax rates, but the possibility that higher tax rates will force companies to decamp abroad. The Treasury official requested anonymity in order to speak candidly about rationales for the department's economic policy proposals.

Both Obama and congressional Republicans have repeatedly emphasized that the official tax rate for big corporations of 35 percent is high relative to other nations, but the actual tax bills companies pay are much lower, thanks to the use of special exemptions, tax havens and other sweeteners sprinkled throughout the tax code.

According to a 2007 study by George W. Bush's Treasury Department, the average American company actually pays a tax rate of just 13.4 percent -- lower, for example, than France, Portugal, Spain, Japan, Canada, and Switzerland, and less than half the average rate paid in the United Kingdom and Australia. This, despite the fact that, according to the study, the U.S. had one of the highest official rates in the industrialized world.

Tax experts say that no meaningful corporate tax overhaul, revenue neutral or otherwise, can allow companies to continue stashing money in offshore tax havens-- a creative accounting tactic that allows big firms to avoid paying $50 billion in taxes every year, according to the U.S. Treasury. Gauging the specific amount of taxes lost to offshore accounts is difficult, however, and reform advocates say the number could be even bigger.

"Anybody who tells you that they do know is probably full of it," said Jack Blum, a Washington attorney who chairs Tax Justice USA, a tax code reform group. "The problem is that people don't report what they don't pay in tax, so it's very, very hard to tell how much money we're losing. For a long time administrations went out of their way to make certain that no data was collected."

For years, progressive lawmakers and tax policy advocates have targeted tax havens as hotbeds of federal budget abuse. Companies can register profitable enterprises at an address in the Cayman Islands-- even if it actually does business on Wall Street -- and voila: so long as companies leave their profits in the Caribbean, their taxes can be "deferred" indefinitely.

"It's the number one issue, more important than anything I can think of," said Bob McIntyre, a long-time tax reform advocate who works as Director of Citizens for Tax Justice, a non-partisan research organization dedicated to progressive taxation.

According to a 2008 report by the Government Accountability Office, 83 of the 100 largest U.S. companies operate subsidiaries in nations that the government watchdog considers tax havens. All types of firms indulge, from telecommunications giants to retailers to banks. Wall Street is particularly aggressive; at the time the GAO report was issued, just six American banks were operating more than 900 such sub-companies.

The few lawmakers with the audacity to propose a crackdown on offshore havens say that it would be politically impossible to secure without bestowing other tax benefits on companies.

Last year, Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and then-Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) pushed legislation to overhaul the entire tax code for both individuals and corporations. The effort would have ended deferred tax shenanigans, but in order to bring any Republicans on board, the bill had to be revenue neutral, according to Jennifer Hoelzer, a Wyden aide closely involved with the talks.

"When you start talking about raising revenue, that just enters in more controversy than you need at the moment," she said.

Although the Wyden-Gregg legislation went nowhere last year, it included some provisions that could be used to build political support for another tax reform push. Under that plan, average voters would get a tax break, giving them a stake in a debate that is otherwise simply a battle between muscular corporations and other firms unable to more fully exploit tax perks.

"When we do something big like tax reform . . . people need something to show for it at the end of the debate," Hoelzer said. "For us, when we did both corporate and individual reform at the same time, the average tax filer gets a tax break at the end of it. You want to give people a reason to root for something."

A major concern for those hoping to require corporations to help narrow the deficit is a plan being floated by the Business Roundtable, a lobbying group representing CEOs of the largest American companies.

The Business Roundtable plan would make all international revenue from U.S. firms, including money stashed in Caribbean tax shelters, permanently nontaxable. The Business Roundtable declined to comment for this story, but its website claims that moving to a permanently untaxed foreign income system-- known as a "territorial" plan among tax experts -- is vital to making American business competitive with firms in other countries.

Many economists beg to differ.

"Those offshore affiliated corporations have no economic reality," said University of Texas Economist Calvin Johnson. "Cayman Islands is a suburb of Greenwich, Connecticut and ought to be treated that way. It has no independent life or meaning."

The Obama administration is already backpedaling in the face of this lobbying push. In a Tuesday hearing before a Senate subcommittee, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said that the administration would consider granting a one-time tax holiday for corporations who stash money in tax havens, if it were part of a "comprehensive" tax reform project. Geithner did not specify what else should be included in such a comprehensive overhaul, but reiterated that the administration is committed to a "revenue-neutral" plan.

A bipartisan group of six senators is currently attempting to cut a deal on narrowing the deficit. The group includes Sens. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), Mark Warner (D-Va.), Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) and Mike Crapo (R-Id.). A spokesperson for Chambliss said the group has no proposal yet and is still working out legislative language. None of the other senators would comment.

But a source close to the talks, who requested anonymity because negotiations are ongoing, said that corporate tax reforms would be based on recommendations from Obama's Fiscal Responsibility Commission. The Commission called for eliminating four categories of corporate tax breaks, while exempting offshore tax havens by adopting the "territorial" tax policy now being pushed by the Business Roundtable.

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realpolitic 05:06 PM on 04/06/2011
"The push for lower corporate tax rates comes during a flush time for corporate America. Overall corporate taxes as a share of GDP are hovering around one percent, the lowest share of GDP since World War II."

" Read More... half the average rate paid in the United Kingdom and Australia. This, despite the fact that, according to the study, the U.S. had one of the highest official rates in the industrialized world."

I think offshore tax havens should not be exempted.  The U.S. corporations are not buying their fair share as it is.
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R2D2-51
Flower Power Forever
10:21 PM on 04/07/2011
P.2

And in so doing left middle America in hock up to their limits pinned against the Hamster Wheel of perpetual work, 3,4 & more two bread winner families with less & less dollars to make ends meet.

The Republicans have always been the servants for the Capitalist class accumulators that will in the end bring it all down, simply because it's not sustainable without recognizing this level of income inequality is burning a candle at both ends. Taking more & more money from the same people you expect to consume, consume cannot last indefinitely when credit markets put up barriers, and there is only so many work hours in a day.
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R2D2-51
Flower Power Forever
10:20 PM on 04/07/2011
P.1
This is precisely what Reagan's bogus trickle-down Voodoo Economics was designed to do.

Allow the Capitalist Class who has no reverence for any country for that matter except as a port of entry to park their yacht, or land their Gulfstream Jet.

At precisely after Nixon went to China in 73' at the time a closed door nation to the western Capitalists, became a cooling off then a post Nixon/Kissinger warming up that by the time the late 70's came around middle-income working people began seeing wages stagnate and stopped going up in relation to their production.

By Reagan’s day it was all over but the shouting.

The Capitalists could now keep the vast surplus labor profit being produced at record profits were no longer being shared with labor as it once was, so the Capitalist could now invest in what they saw as the largest cheap labor pool in the world, so the largest consumer spender in the world could now be matched up with the world’s largest product producer-Asia, China & India.
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laaambchop
Cheerfulness is a sign of wisdom
11:24 AM on 04/07/2011
"...push for more offshore tax breaks and official federal forgiveness for tax avoidance schemes..."

how do you "patriots" like that?
ByAndForThePeople
and corporations aren't people!
05:30 AM on 04/07/2011
Why does everybody in government buy into the idea that any reforms in the tax code (or practically everywhere else) have to be "revenue neutral"? I never hear anybody mention that reforms or programs have to be "spending neutral" or "safety-net neutral". If we have a deficit problem (which [a] I don't really believe, and [b] neocons like Cheney and right-wing idols like Reagan claimed isn't a problem anyway), then raising revenue is (at least) half of the solution to solving that problem. But, instead, everybody sticks their collective heads up their collective...well, let's call it "sand"...and insists on "revenue neutral". That's nothing but a code phrase for "cut taxes on rich people and corporations, manufacture an imagined deficit crisis, and bleed grandma dry to pay for it all".
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Roxee
"Feeling" you're right, doesn't "prove" you are.
03:26 AM on 04/07/2011
We in Australia have had some great successes with over-turning legislative announcements and promoting legislative agendas through an organisation called GetUp, a community action group that exists online. Joining permits members to suggest issues of concern and other members can show support by allocating one or more of their limited number of votes for an issue. If sufficient support is shown for an issue GetUp then launches a campaign which people and members can donate to which covers presenting petitions organizing rallies, print and TV advertising etc. The group has a spokesperson who is young and eloquent and is often invited to join panel discussions and debates about contemporary issues. You have a similar organization which GetUp associates with for issues if international concern. It is called www.access now.org and I have signed many of their petitions, one of which was recently presented to the UN in support of Internet access as a human right.
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gypsysailor
Things that might have been never were.
01:26 AM on 04/07/2011
They don't pay any taxes now as it is.
ByAndForThePeople
and corporations aren't people!
05:32 AM on 04/07/2011
Ummm, good point, gypsysailor! GE, as we've recently learned, one of the largest and most profitable corporations in America, paid exactly $0.00 in taxes last year. That's approximately, ummm, carry the zero, divide by...yup, 0.0% income tax rate. And the plan is to LOWER the rate? Oh, hell, why not? We're giving corporations more money than they know what to do with as it is, so let's just apply a negative tax rate to them and shovel more money uphill into their coffers.
12:52 AM on 04/07/2011
If the changes are revenue neutral, you are only changing the loopholes not closing them.
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colonelsun68
Ready! Fire! Aim!
12:49 AM on 04/07/2011
Just imagine all the jobs that are going to be created! Now's the time to make vacation plans, make a down payment on a newer and bigger house, and sign for that new car you've always wanted! Nice to know the GOP is looking out for us!
12:36 AM on 04/07/2011
Are we going to keep putting up with this and let these corporations screw us?
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colonelsun68
Ready! Fire! Aim!
12:53 AM on 04/07/2011
As long as we keep electing corporate toadies, yes!
ByAndForThePeople
and corporations aren't people!
04:44 PM on 04/07/2011
The evidence offered by the recent past suggests that we will do so. (Apparently we've all become too poor to be able to afford the needed pitchforks and torches.)
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Charles Hamel
"we gather knowledge faster than we gather wisdom"
12:27 AM on 04/07/2011
Common America, get your sh*t together. The world is watching.

Stop living off the ideals and victories of the past, start living up to the principles and virtues your presidents to eloquently speak about. The only point of view that seems to matter today, is that of big money and corporations. Your people are being thrown unto the streets through questionable foreclosures, businesses are sabotaging any consumer protection efforts, and corporations are so large the can get away with wholesale financial fraud.

Something is rotten at the core of America, how else can these things take place without a severe public backlash? Conservatives escape into radicalism, and Liberals try to keep their careers, effectively becoming enablers. The double standard between the haves and have nots is repugnant.

Where are the champions of the people now?

Underfunded, underreported, and marginalized... that's where.
11:50 PM on 04/06/2011
There shouldn't be a flat tax for corporations. It should be a progressive tax based on profits. This would help small businesses compete and minimize the number of Too Big To Fail type of companies. The current tax code seems to have too much input from the corporate lobbyists containing countless loopholes that only the obese corporations can take advantage of.
12:52 AM on 04/07/2011
There's just one tiny little problem with that. Salaries, capital expenditures and plant costs are deductions from the bottom line and always will be. Profit is taxed. Those expenses are not profit. Consequently, yes, loopholes by the thousands should be eliminated; but a corporate flat tax is the perfect way to go. And it shouldn't be low. Low corporate taxes function as an incentive to hoard cash and invest it in the stock market instead of in the enterprise which produced it. That's the primary reason why manufacturing has declined precipitously over the last 30 years (the other reason being the tax and payroll benefits derived from moving offshore). A flat tax of 25-30% with all of the ridiculous loopholes eliminated (including those derived from offshoring) would be perfect. Corporations in the U.S. actually pay about 20% tax on profits now, on average - give or take 2% from year to year. Too big to fail is a failure of government regulation (without which there can be no such thing as a 'free market').

Of course, top bracket personal income tax rates need to rise dramatically too...and personal tax rates should NOT be flat. All taxes are created unequal. An income tax on someone who is earning $15,000 per year is not the same thing as an income tax on someone who is earning $15,000,000 per year...for a whole boatload of reasons, not the least of which also involves leaving more capital in the enterprise.
ByAndForThePeople
and corporations aren't people!
05:39 AM on 04/07/2011
I see your point, Martel, but I think I disagree with your conclusion that a flat-rate corporate tax is appropriate. Consider a small corporation with, say, a single owner, a dozen or so employees, and total revenues of $1 million or so. Most such companies will reinvest the vast majority of their profits in their future, with the owner perhaps not even taking a share of those profits for him/herself. Then consider GE, ExxonMobile, or the various Koch brothers' enterprises, earning literally billions of dollars in profits that they use to game the system and purchase governments. It seems reasonable that the first class of corporation would be fairly taxed at a rate of X%, while the much higher rate of Y% would be appropriate for the giant multinational corporations. We can debate what values X and Y should have, and whether there should be N levels between them, etc., but there's a lot to be said for making it easier for small businesses to survive while making it more difficult for extremely large business to create monopolies and drive all national policies.
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zelda777
transcend the B. S.
10:39 PM on 04/06/2011
Just in case you didn't already know, here is the real TP/Conservative/ right wing agenda for the USA:

http://www.pfaw.org/media-center/publications/corporate-infusion-what-the-tea-party-s-really-serving-america
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Cougar90210
That's me in the corner . . . losing my religion
11:23 PM on 04/06/2011
Thanks for that link. F&F.
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Veganie
Live food, live bodies
10:20 PM on 04/06/2011
Disingenuous comments like Mitch McConnell's repeated statement that the US has the highest corporate taxes in the world while neglecting to mention that there is a Santa Claus for companies like very-large corporations, including GE, BofA, Chevron, Exxon-Mobil, JP Morgan, Chase, GE and others paid virtually no taxes by way of loopholes
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Cougar90210
That's me in the corner . . . losing my religion
11:28 PM on 04/06/2011
When I hear those kinds of statements it's like someone is dragging their fingernails across a blackboard. I just cringe, because they are so self-serving and inaccurate. I would pay money (not a lot, but some) to see and hear an HONEST debate in Congress over anything. They don't even know what an honest debate looks like anymore, though.
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Veganie
Live food, live bodies
11:24 AM on 04/07/2011
You and many of the rest of us feel the same way.
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Veganie
Live food, live bodies
11:27 AM on 04/07/2011
Just noticed you fanned me, right back at you :)
01:38 AM on 04/07/2011
It's even worse. If those corporations were subject to a tax liability, corporate taxes actually paid would still not be anywhere near the highest corporate taxes in the world. American corporations actually pay about a 20% tax rate once they've jumped through all the loopholes, even though the top corporate bracket is 35%. The comparable rate in Japan is 40%, yet GE says that they need much lower tax rates to compete with Japanese corporations.

In Germany, there are three corporate taxes. Two of them are flat taxes and the third is levied at a 5.5% rate on one of them, all of which totals 29.825%. With that unbearable crushing tax rate, universal health care, 4-week vacations, maternity leave for mothers and fathers, high wages, etc., German corporations export (from a nation with 1/4th the population of the U.S.) more dollar volume of product than U.S. corporations. Germany also has high individual tax rates and, as a result, far less income inequality as well as much more interest among its moneyed class in expanding the top line revenues of their corporations instead of focusing entirely on the bottom line. Those high tax rates at the top also result in far less income inequality. The U.S. is the 40th worst country in the world in terms of income inequality, with the even worse 39 all being third world nations. Only twelve other nations demonstrate more equal income distribution than Germany.
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Tom Dee
just me
10:06 PM on 04/06/2011
Money has destroyed our republic. A few with money learned that they can give a few bucks to our elected officials and in return the elected officials give billions in our tax dollars. Our foreign policy is run by this principal. We have the best government money can buy. War is profitable to the corporations and the nation which gets over 1/2 our foreign aid. Is it any wonder why we are in three reported war and probably 1/2 conflicts. Our economy apparently is head into a depression and the republic will continue under the direction of the few money people.
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Wendy Davis
Banned!
10:44 PM on 04/06/2011
The real enemy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
11:01 PM on 04/06/2011
You and I agree completely­­. That is why I started this petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/WeThePeople/

Descriptio­­n follows;

Ask the Ed Schultz Show, National AFL-CIO and Teamsters unions to get involved and organize a protest on Capitol Hill demanding the rescission of Bush Era tax cuts for the wealthiest people in this country.

The extremists on Capitol Hill are demanding billions and billions of cuts in social programs. Once again, they are asking the elderly, the disabled, and average Americans to take the hit, under the guise of "shared sacrifice"­­. And they are doing this AFTER holding middle class tax cuts hostage and demanding that the Bush Era tax cuts for the wealthiest amongst us be extended. It's time to demand an end to tax cuts for the wealthiest amongst us, it's time to demand an end to corporate loopholes. It's time to demand that shared sacrifice include the wealthy as well.
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If you want the money and corruption in politics to end then help me take the protests we've experience­­d in Madison WI all the way to Capitol Hill. The only way to end the corruption and greed is for the people of this country to show up en-masse and demand change.
09:42 PM on 04/06/2011
THIS is what the Tea Baggers want.

The corporatist state.

And I thought they (the tea baggers) wanted to keep the social security and medicare status quo.

Silly me, many ordinary Repug voters WANT more tax cuts for the corporations (rich).

Maybe when some of them (ordinary Repugs) lose everything they worked for, they will open their eyes.
01:54 AM on 04/07/2011
What's amusing is that very low taxes for corporations and very low taxes for the highest income earners will ultimately bring them down into the dirt after they've done their job on the rest of us...not that it will make the rest of us feel any better about it.

The obsession with cutting taxes is both a symptom and a disease in its own right. It's a symptom of obsessive greed, of the idea that everyone deserves to be richer than anyone else (which is the truly impossible dream) and anything which might put a little crimp in that delusion must be destroyed. In slavish pursuit of the greed principle, we cut taxes for corporations so that we don't have to actually pay ourselves salaries which might be taxed at a high rate, but instead pay ourselves in stock which can be taxed at the 15% capital gains rate. And we view each tax cut as an incentive to increase what we pay ourselves, while decreasing what we pay our employees and diminishing the capacity of our business enterprise to grow.

Conversely, the taxes the rich hate so much because they want the money NOW, are exactly the incentive they NEED to make them richer later. Instead of counting beans to determine how much more to pay themselves while screwing everyone else right now, they would obsess over increasing revenues in order to grow the corporation, causing their share of it to enrich them over the long term.