Birther-Bonkers Donald Trump Now Sending 'Investigators' To Hawaii

Reality-teevee candidate Donald Trump loves nothing more than the birthers who are sending him emails, so he's decided to ride that pony all the way to the political margins. So, despite the fact that the paranoid birther conspiracy has been debunked, re-debunked, and rent to itty bitty pieces, Trump has sent his own "investigators" to Hawaii.

On the "Today Show" Thursday, Trump explained:

"I am saying I want to see the birth certificate. It's very simple. I want to see the birth certificate. How come his own family doesn't know which hospital he was born in? How come -- forget about birth certificates. Let's say there's no birth certificate. How come in the hospital itself, okay? This is one of the...in the hospital itself, there's no records of his birth. In other words, it doesn't say how much they paid, where is the doctor, here's your room bill."

Meredith Vieira: "You've been privy to all of this, to know this?"

Donald Trump: "Well, I have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're talking."

Vieira: "You have people now out there searching -- I mean, in Hawaii?"

Trump: "Absolutely. And they cannot believe what they're finding. And I'm serious."

Trump went further down the rabbit hole on "Morning Joe" Thursday morning. Willie Geist, Ed Rendell, Donnie Deutsch and -- sweet fancy Moses -- even Pat Buchanan attempted to talk Trump down out of the tree, to no avail. They ended up basically staring slackjawed at each other and laughing as Trump went nuts.

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This conversation is quite useful, actually, for gauging Donald Trump as a potential presidential candidate: His foreign policy strategy is primarily based on swindling people, he'd turn a blind eye to Wall Street forgers and he'd spend tons of money investigating bizarre claims instead of just using a computer to browse Politifact or search for "Obama kindergarten photo."

Trump will continue down this nonsensical road because he believes it's the key reason he's does occasionally well in the polls. He made headlines when the most recent Public Policy Polling pre-game result for the New Hampshire primary put Trump right behind front-runner Mitt Romney. But Trump didn't earn second place on birtherism alone. It's largely because there really isn't a "campaign" yet -- just a vacuum, which Trump is ably filling. As Steve Kornacki points out, you should expect Trump's appeal to decline once an actual competition begins:

Right now, he exists to Republicans as a universally known celebrity who lately has been in the news for saying things that resonate with them. If they're underwhelmed with their options and looking for a new choice, it stands to reason that a good chunk of them will tell pollsters that Trump is their man.

But what Trump is spectacularly ill-suited for is an actual campaign, one in which all of his dirty laundry, all of his (many) past ideological apostasies and all of his moral shortcomings are exposed and amplified, relentlessly. In an actual campaign, Trump's image as a Tea Party-friendly celebrity wouldn't hold up for long. Rudy Giuliani offered a demonstration of how this works in 2007 and 2008, when he began as the nominal front-runner -- essentially, a celebrity who said things Republican voters liked to hear -- and ended up with one delegate. This same process would play out with Trump, except it would be quicker and uglier.

By the way, do you think Mitt Romney is sweating Trump in New Hampshire, at all? Romney would probably love to get into a battle of business moguls. Romney ran Bain capital and shepherded the 2002 Winter Olympics into Salt Lake City. On the other hand, Trump licenses his last name to real estate deals and has a TV show where he shouts Successories at LaToya Jackson.

At any rate, as Jeremy Scahill quipped on "Morning Joe", "Donald Trump must have the most expensive tinfoil hat in the world." That's why I can't wait to see the reimbursement invoices Trump's "investigators" are sending back from Hawaii.

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Comments

[reynaelena]

09:35 PM on 04/26/2011

While Donald Trump is in this investigation thing about the President, I would like him to investigate a Filipino who bought a condo unit in one of his flashy condos. According to the buzz in Manila, he is a son of the General. This General is being investigated in one super-duper uber corruption in Manila. Now, I'm sure the Filipino nation will be grateful to Donald Trump if he could help us let this Filipino guy respond where they got the monies to buy that unit.

[Chevalier Dupin]

04:23 PM on 04/15/2011

Today's environment surrounding the question of why Obama won't show his birth certificate, reminds me of that classic Animal Farm by George Orwell. In the novel Napoleon blames every problem on Snowball. The sheep are brainlessly devoted followers of Napoleon. They shout down anyone who speaks against Napoleon. Donald trump has questioned why Obama has not shown his birth certificate and left it up to others to argue his case while legally defending where he can any inquiry into his past. This is bizarre behavior on Obama's part to put it mildly. Trump asserts: An audio recording of his grandmother saying Obama was born in Kenya There is no record of Obama being born in a hospital in Hawaii If Obama has a birth certificate he doesn't want to show it due to something on it like religious afilliation This is so simple to adjudicate. Why not just show the birth certificate. Why do his defenders dismiss everyone who asks the question. Animal Farm indeed.

[AuntInAZ]

04:14 AM on 04/18/2011

You are a brick in the wall those of us with any sense at all feel like we are constantly banging our heads against...

[dennisrs]

09:45 PM on 04/18/2011

I think it probably list a different father.

[fwiw methinks]

02:57 AM on 04/12/2011

This law that forbids the release of the long form!

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/...

[fwiw methinks]

03:03 AM on 04/12/2011

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm

[stape45]

08:57 AM on 04/14/2011

So if there were anything to be gleaned from all of this, would we not already know?

[dennisrs]

10:15 PM on 04/12/2011

This site has photos of other BC from Hawaii and they are quite different than Obamas. Plus new info from a recent MSNBC with Chiyome Fukino, former head of the state agency in charge of birth records, including those that may reveal details of Barack Obama's 1961 birth.

Read more: Does Hawaii ever release long-form birth certificates? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=285921#ixzz1JMiiy7ON

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=285921

[TwinX]

10:36 PM on 04/12/2011

"To verify her transaction, she also posted a receipt she was sent Sept. 28, 2010"

That's not a certified copy of a long form.

Try again.

[AuntInAZ]

04:15 AM on 04/18/2011

Sigh... Banging the head against the wall again... Another brick in the wall...

[fwiw methinks]

02:44 AM on 04/12/2011

After all this time, he decides to send people to Hawaii. BFF Palin supports him, of course.

http://politicalgates.blogspot.com/2011/04/sarah-palin-goes-full-birther-supports.html

[paristyle]

11:34 AM on 04/11/2011

Donald Trump is a shame to the americans!!!! he should listen to himself speak and then hide in a bunker for 20 years. I was a fan of his but no longer.

[TwinX]

11:29 AM on 04/11/2011

Read it and Weep, Birthers.


Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health,Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health makes her strongest statement yet, dimissing birthers claims as 'ludicrous'.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951

[dennisrs]

10:19 PM on 04/12/2011

Except it is already been refuted by others who actually have long form BC and COLB the differ from the one obamas people released. I posted a link above that shows the different certificates released from HDH? So now what ??

[TwinX]

06:20 AM on 04/11/2011

That's just a jpeg on the internet! Where's the seal?

There is no requirement for the President to show YOU anything.

Gawd the P&E is one of the vilest birther blogs out there.

[guardian1]

02:33 AM on 04/12/2011

Apparently there is no requirement on the part of HDoH for a raised seal.
The first image posted of Obama's 'officially' issued CoLB was also just a .jpg on the internet.

But when concerned people questioned it's validity, they got heaped with scorn and disgraceful insults, but when you or any other Obots question an internet image, suddenly it's ok for you to question........... hypocrisy.

Later other photos of Obama's CoLB were posted that showed a seal which wasn't present on the first .jpg

There is a problem with the raised seal on the second set of photos of Obama's CoLB.

Here’s an article that shows the anomalies with Hawaiian ‘raised seals’.

h t t p ://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/unveiling-the-hdoh-seal/

Compare this official copy of a raised seal provided by Hawaiian Dept of Health

h t t p ://obamasgarden.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/embossedsealnoted1.jpg?w=490&h=440

With this as shown on Obama’s alleged HDoH issued COLB

h t t p ://obamasgarden.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/obamaclose1.jpg?w=659&h=486

There is strong evidence that Obama's alleged 'official' CoLB is a fraud, and is sufficient to cause him to do the right thing & verify his birth in the Hawaiian hospital.

The fact that he refuses to provide better or supporting evidence (that anyone could easily do) than the shabby method he has thus far, shows he is a liar and a fraud.

[dennisrs]

01:37 PM on 04/18/2011

No requirement?? So he must love a the negative press and bloggs concerning this matter. You would think a President wouldn't have any problem with people viewing his birth records. ?? I mean this guy is spending money to keep them sealed, why?? What's the big deal? I guess he loves all these question going around the world and back about him, no such thing as bad press so long as they spell your name right.

[Steelsil]

06:22 PM on 04/10/2011

Donald Trump has left a trail of cheated investors and purchasers in his wake, and now he wants do do the same to our whole country.  Only in America can an urban legend be the source of a political movement - unless, of course, it's just a polite euphemism for racism.

[donbrown]

03:12 PM on 04/10/2011

Gag me...makes me almost long for the days of Orly Taitz.

At least her tantrums were entertaining,,,,

Say... whatever happened to old Orly? Was she deported? In jail? In a nuthouse?

[TwinX]

06:21 AM on 04/11/2011

She's still raving away, increasingly incoherent.

[DJE12857]

05:27 PM on 04/11/2011

Her flying monkeys carried her off!

[donbrown]

03:03 PM on 04/10/2011

So where are these so-called "investigators" here in Hawaii? If they're around, they certainly have kept a low profile. How much time does it take to go down to the Health Department on Punchbowl and King Streets and take a look at the real thing?

Something tells me these "investigators" are on Kauai at the Princeville Resort, hiking the Kalalau Trail along the Na Pali Coast.

[TwinX]

06:26 AM on 04/11/2011

LOL!

I doubt very much he has any 'investigators in Hawaii. He just has birthers doing 'homework assignments' for him. Get a load of this (from the birther blog 'guardian1 posted above).

http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/08/attendee-at-trump-meeting-it-couldnt-have-gone-any-better/

Why am I not surprised to see WND involved?

[SDH283]

04:44 PM on 04/11/2011

No kidding.

Written at 6th grade level reading comprehension, WND avoids any story longer than 3 paragraphs long, because the attention span of their readers can't handle it.

It's not even worth being called a rag.

More proof that Trump is after the 'stupid' vote.

[AuntInAZ]

04:19 AM on 04/18/2011

Maybe they're up in the Bay Area with the investigators O.J. hired to find the real killers of Nicole and Ron. Trump is so full of BS it's incredible!

[SDH283]

04:50 PM on 04/11/2011

I suspect that they are busy 'dragging hundred dollar bills through trailer parks' (James Carville) hoping to find someone who will suddenly 'remember' something about Obama.

[ConDsenXieN]

01:07 PM on 04/10/2011

It's never too early to have Alzheimer's, Donnie.

[Sarah Parsons]

09:04 PM on 04/12/2011

How do we know these aren't the first signs!

[Gracey28]

02:30 AM on 04/10/2011

The Donald won't put up with any mess. There is no harm in him conducting investigation. It would be very interesting if we found out we had all been punked.

[Man in the middle]

02:56 AM on 04/10/2011

This issue has been investigated for three years. if there was something to find, the clintons would have found it. this is a waste of everyone's time and trump's money.

[SDH283]

04:46 PM on 04/11/2011

You watch too much TV ... it's just too ridiculous to even 'wonder' if Obama could have 'punked' Bill and Hillary Clinton on this!

And Trump is not smarter then the Clintons.

[hoho5973]

02:04 AM on 04/10/2011

Yeah, I got promoted to a new position, but it requires that I produce a birth certificate. How dare they! Where do they come off asking for this kind of thing? The nerve!

[Gracey28]

02:36 AM on 04/10/2011

I agree.

[TwinX]

10:19 AM on 04/10/2011

What makes you think that President Obama didn't?

[chloe4455]

03:53 PM on 04/09/2011

I bet this 'investigation' will be a reality show.