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Government Shutdown Not Yet Averted As White House Meeting Fails To Produce Deal

Government Shutdown 2011

AP/The Huffington Post   First Posted: 04/07/11 11:15 PM ET Updated: 06/07/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama says another round of talks with congressional leaders has helped but there is no deal yet to avert a government shutdown.

Obama said he hoped to be able to announce a deal on Friday but "there's no certainty yet." He said he told House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid that he wants an answer in the morning.

The president spoke briefly to reporters after meeting for roughly an hour in the Oval Office with Boehner and Reid. Those two leaders said jointly that the latest round of talks had narrowed the issues. They pledged to work through the night to break the impasse.

At issue is a spending bill to keep the government running after midnight Friday.

It was the fourth White House meeting in a 48-hour span.

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From the ABC World News interview:

George Stephanopoulos: I know you just told Erskine Bowles and Senator Simpson, you want to get these talks moving right away. But boy, it doesn’t sound like it’s going to be easy. Paul Ryan. Spent a lot of time with him yesterday. The Congressman has really come out with a tough response to your speech. Let me-- I want to quote it exactly. He said, "The President was excessively partisan, dramatically inaccurate, and hopelessly inadequate. Instead of building bridges, the President is poisoning wells." Are you poisoning wells?

President Obama: Oh, absolutely not. Look if you look at my speech yesterday it was not so much a critique of what the House Republicans have proposed as it was a description of what they’ve proposed.

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HuffPost's Laura Bassett reports:

The U.S. House of Representatives passed a resolution to bar all federal funding to Planned Parenthood on Thursday, but the Senate rejected the proposal a few hours later by a vote of 58 to 42. Five Republican senators -- Massachussetts' Scott Brown, Alaska's Lisa Murkowski, Illinois' Mark Kirk, and Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, both from Maine -- voted against the resolution, which was a “technical correction†to the budget bill that passed last week without the Planned Parenthood rider. Ten House Democrats voted in favor of the resolution, which passed the House by a vote of 241 to 185. “It’s clear that Republicans do not support family planning. It’s hard to understand, but it’s clear that they don’t, and have used debate on this bill to spread misinformation about the critical work that Planned Parenthood does on behalf of America’s women every day,†Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Cali.) said on the House floor. “Today’s legislation, which has no chance of passing the Senate and becoming law, thank God, is just part of the Republican agenda that is the most comprehensive and radical assault on women’s health and reproductive freedom in our lifetime, and that’s saying something.†Watch full video of Pelosi’s speech here:

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Reuters reports that without bill approval, funding for agencies may have expired:

The Congress on Thursday approved $38 billion in spending cuts this year as part of a bill to fund the federal government through September 30, sending the legislation to President Barack Obama to sign into law.

After months of wrangling between Democrats and Republicans, the Senate voted 81 to 19 in favor of the budget bill for the rest of this fiscal year. Passage came shortly after the House of Representatives voted 260-167 for the measure.

Without approval of this bill, U.S. government funding for most agencies would have expired at midnight on Friday.

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The Washington Post offers a graph of how the House voted on the 2011 budget (260-167 in favor). View the graph here.

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The Hill reports that the Senate has passed the spending bill in an 81 to 19 bipartisan vote:

H.R. 1473 will cut $39.9 billion from the remaining six-months of the 2011 budget if it is signed by President Obama as expected.

"It represents bipartisan agreement reached between leaders in the House, the White House and the Senate with the details being worked out by members of appropriations,†said Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii) in calling on his colleagues to support the bill Thursday afternoon. “It includes cuts bigger than what I was comfortable with, but it is dramatically superior to what passed through the House months ago and equally superior to not passing a budget."

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The Hill reports that the Senate has defeated resolutions to block funding for Planned Parenthood and healthcare:

The Senate on Thursday defeated two resolutions to amend the fiscal year 2011 spending bill that would have blocked funding for Planned Parenthood, and all funds to implement last year's healthcare reform law.

The House passed both resolutions just hours before.

Votes on the defunding measures in both the House and the Senate were a condition Republicans insisted upon as part of last week's agreement with the White House and Democrats on funding for the rest of FY 2011.

The Senate defeated the Planned Parenthood amendment by a 42 to 58 vote. The House passed that resolution 240-185.

The Senate defeated the bill to defund the healthcare law, 47 to 53. The House passed that resolution 245-189.

Both measures were required to meet a 60-vote threshold.

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ThinkProgress posts on Twitter:

@ thinkprogress : Senate rejects defunding Planned Parenthood 42-58. 5 Republicans voted no.

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Rep. Nancy Pelosi speaks out against GOP efforts to defund Planned Parenthood. The caption under the video reads:

Today, House Republicans passed H.Con.Res. 36, a concurrent resolution that would "correct the enrollment" of the Continuing Resolution (H.R. 1473), by adding a section at the end of the bill to defund Planned Parenthood. Cutting off federal funding for Planned Parenthood would have a devastating impact on women's health care across the country.

Planned Parenthood health centers currently provide preventive services to millions of women in need of health care, including the provision of contraception, cancer screenings, breast exams, and HIV testing.

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HuffPost's Jason Linkins reports:

Lindsey Graham has styled himself as the Senate's great dealmaker -- the guy who will shepherd your measure through the partisan thicket and make sure it passes. All you have to do is do everything precisely the way Graham imagines it needs to be done, and you'll be fine. But the moment you hit one of his cryptic procedural tripwires -- ones you often didn’t know were laid in the first place -- Graham goes into full-on snit-fit mode, and vows to use whatever means at his disposal to shut the whole process down.

He's doing it again over the budget deal that was wrought April 8, because it cut an allocation that was to be used to fund an Army Corps of Engineers project that would have deepened the Port of Charleston.

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President Obama offered the following statement on Thursday, provided by the White House Press Office:

“Today, I was pleased to take another step to relieve unnecessary burdens on small businesses by signing H.R. 4 into law. Small business owners are the engine of our economy and because Democrats and Republicans worked together, we can ensure they spend their time and resources creating jobs and growing their business, not filling out more paperwork. I look forward to continuing to work with Congress to improve the tax credit policy in this legislation and I am eager to work with anyone with ideas about how we can make health care better or more affordable.â€

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The White House has provided the following press release:

On Thursday, April 14, 2011, the President signed into law:

H.R. 4, the “Comprehensive 1099 Taxpayer Protection and Repayment of Exchange Subsidy Overpayments Act of 2011,†which repeals the expansion in the Affordable Care Act of requirements for businesses to report information to the Internal Revenue Service on payments for goods of $600 or more annually to other businesses and increases the amount of overpayment subject to repayment of premium assistance tax credits for health insurance coverage purchases through the Exchanges established under the Affordable Care Act.

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CNN radio reporter Lisa Desjardins writes on Twitter:

@ LisaDCNN : SENATE VOTES 47-53 against defunding the health care bill.

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ThinkProgress reports that Sen. Grassley has flip-flopped on his debt ceiling position:

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), in keeping with other GOP lawmakers, recently stated that the GOP should not vote to increase the debt limit unless Democrats and President Obama make major concessions on federal spending cuts. That position, however, is exactly opposite the one he took in 2006, when he urged his Senate colleagues to unanimously vote to increase the debt limit, saying it should not be used “to control government debt and deficits.â€

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@ senatus : Budget votes, beginning w/ correcting resolutions, now underway in the Senate.

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The Associated Press reports:

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama has signed the first rollback of last year's health care law, a bipartisan repeal of a burdensome tax-reporting requirement that's widely unpopular with businesses.

The bill Obama signed Thursday repeals a provision that would have forced millions of businesses to file tax forms for every vendor selling them more than $600 in goods each year, starting in 2012. The filing requirement is unrelated to health care. However, it would have been used to pay for part of the new health law by ensuring that vendors pay taxes.

Republicans hope it is the first of many such bills, resulting in the entire health care law being scrapped. Democrats say the bill is part of an inevitable tinkering that will be needed to improve the health measure.

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HuffPost's Elise Foley reports:

Nearly half of the House Republicans who opposed a budget deal on Thursday were freshmen, many of whom were voted into office in November by a surge in support for Tea Party candidates.

The “no†votes from GOP freshman only made up about 30 percent of the overall class, most of which supported the bill. Still, a number of freshmen said they were disappointed by the deal struck last week by House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and the White House.

The final deal cut about $38 billion from current spending levels -- much of it through budget gimmicks -- and blocked funding to certain programs. But the scope and level of the cuts were far lower than in the original House funding bill, which would have cut about $61 billion from the 2011 budget and slashed funding for Obama’s health care law, Planned Parenthood, and the Environmental Protection Agency.

For some freshmen Republicans, already skeptical of the deal, the final nail in the coffin was a report on Wednesday that claimed the bill cut only $352 million from the deficit this year -- a far cry from the $38 billion promised.

“It certainly didn’t help,†Rep. Bill Huizenga (R-Mich.) said of the article.

Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) told HuffPost he was disappointed with “a lot of things†about the funding deal, from the closed-door negotiations to the final total cut.

“The numbers continued to dissipate. We came here and people said $100 billion, then it goes down to 61, then it goes down to this, and it goes down to that,†West said before the vote. “We’re letting the American people down.â€

Huizenga, West and 26 other freshmen joined with longer-serving conservative Republicans such as Reps. Jim Jordan (Ohio), Steve King (Iowa), Michele Bachmann (Minn.) and Mike Pence (Ind.) to vote against the bill.

Other freshmen GOP members said they were unhappy with the final deal, but would still support it. Pennsylvanian Rep. Lou Barletta said he was displeased with cuts to the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, but had to swallow concerns to support the bill.

“It’s not perfect, but it’s certainly far from what they would like to do around here, and that’s spend more,†he said referring his Democratic rivals.

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The Associated Press writes:

WASHINGTON — Tough re-election campaigns looming, a handful of moderate Senate Democrats on Thursday choose between voting to cut off funds for President Barack Obama's health care law or showing their continued their support for the increasingly unpopular law.

The deal on the spending bill struck by Obama, Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., requires a separate vote on cutting off money for the year-old health care overhaul. The effort is expected to fall short in the Senate, but it will put lawmakers on record – a prospect Republicans looking ahead to 2012 relish.

Moderate Democrats such as Sens. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Jon Tester of Montana and Ben Nelson of Nebraska stood with Obama and Democratic leaders in endorsing the health care law. Abandoning it now would draw charges of flip-flopping while voting to keep the cash flowing could engender voters' wrath.

"People are going to have to make a tough choice, but they're going to be held accountable either way," said Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, chairman of the committee that helps Republicans get elected to the Senate.

Referring to the original votes on the law, Cornyn said, "It's a dilemma of their own making."

McCaskill, Tester and Nelson have drawn GOP rivals in states that either trend heavily Republican (Montana and Nebraska) or stand as electoral battlegrounds (Missouri). Freshman Sen. Joe Manchin has no announced foes in West Virginia and remains popular, but his state voters strongly backed Republican presidential nominee John McCain over Obama by 13 percentage points in 2008.

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HuffPost's Amanda Terkel reports:

With many pro-choice advocates upset that the budget deal included restrictions on access to abortion in D.C., 33 Democratic House members voted against the legislation today. One of those lawmakers was House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who tweeted, "I voted no on the CR today-we can do better by women, students, #DC and investing in our future."

Thirteen Democratic women voted for the bill.

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HuffPost Blogger Rep. Carolyn Maloney writes:

The Republicans seem to have a bit of a problem these days with truth in advertising. Because, for all their nice soundbites and talking points about reducing the deficit and creating jobs, the Republican Roadmap to Prosperity is most notable for two things. If followed, it would increase the deficit and kill American jobs.

The GOP's widely advertised, surefire method of deficit reduction is not unlike those late night TV infomercials that claim "you can shed those ugly pounds fast without dieting or exercise!" Ask any real doctor and they will tell you that without a responsible program of exercise and diet, the only surefire path to weight loss would be disease. And in fact, a grim variety of social illness is pretty much what the Republicans are pitching. They are trying to sell you a plan to put all the burden of getting our financial house in order on the middle class, the poor, the disadvantaged, the infirm and the elderly.

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CNN reports on elements of the budget deal agreed upon in the House today:

Under the deal, $38.5 billion would be from the budget for the remainder the fiscal year, which ends September 30. Among other things, the package slashes funding from a wide range of domestic programs and services, including high-speed rail, emergency first responders, and the National Endowment for the Arts.

As part of the agreement, Congress is also scheduled to vote Thursday on measures to de-fund Planned Parenthood and Obama's health care overhaul. While the bills are expected to pass the House, they have virtually no chance of clearing the Democratic-controlled Senate.

One point of concern for conservatives was a report released Wednesday by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office showing that of the $38.5 billion in savings, only $352 million will actually be realized this fiscal year. Boehner insisted Thursday that all of the cuts will take effect eventually, but conceded that the analysis "has caused some confusion" among House members.

"There are some who claim that the spending cuts in this bill ... are gimmicks," he said on the House floor. "I just think it is total nonsense. A cut is a cut."

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HuffPost's Jason Linkins writes:

Wednesday, Politico offered President Obama some advice on how to approach his afternoon deficit speech in a piece titled "7 things Obama needs to do." And for some reason, MediaMatters' Simon Maloy actually read the damn thing, and was surprised to learn that the piece actually offered all sorts of conflicting advice -- almost as if Politico should maybe stay out of this whole "advice to presidents" game.

How conflicting was it? In the second paragraph, they advise the president to "signal to Republicans that he's open to compromise." In paragraph 5, they caution "no matter what Obama says Wednesday, he won't go far enough to satisfy most Republicans." Which would tend to make the whole "signalling an openness to compromise" part a pretty useless endeavor.

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Politico reports that Republicans had to reach out to Democrats in order to pass Thursday's vote in the House:

Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) stepped forward to support the package together with old Democratic allies on the House Appropriations Committee. Across the aisle, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) — who bore the brunt of the dissent as fellow leaders stood silently by — bluntly told his colleagues: “This is the best we could get out of divided government.â€

With 59 Republicans defecting, Boehner and Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) knew that help was needed, but the dynamics were such that Democrats held back to milk the crisis facing the GOP. Ultimately 81 Democrats — many of whom had planned to do so all week — joined in support, but the majority only cast their votes in the final minute.

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ABC News Correspondent Jonathan Karl writes on Twitter:

@ jonkarl : Initial count: 60 Republican freshman voted YES on the spending deal. Only 27 voted no.

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HuffPost's Jon Ward writes on Twitter:

@ jonward11 : RT @sethdmichaels: RT @2chambers The deal has passed, 260 to 167. With six not voting. 59 Rs voted no, 81 Dems voted yes.

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@ NancyPelosi : I voted no on the CR today-we can do better by women, students, #DC and investing in our future.

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The Washington Post writes about the budget deal recently approved by the House:

Eliminating any threat of a government shutdown until the fall, the House on Thursday approved a funding plan that reduces federal agency budgets by more than $38 billion for the second half of the year.

On a 260-167 vote, a bipartisan coalition supported the plan, as conservatives revolted over what they considered budgeting gimmicks and liberals opposed the plan as too draconian in its impact on programs that benefit lower-income individuals.

The Senate will take up the measure Thursday evening and is expected to pass it on a large bipartisan vote, sending it to the White House for President Obama’s signature in time to meet the Friday midnight deadline for when the current funding resolution expires.

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The House has passed the budget bill: 260-167.

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HuffPost's Sam Stein writes on Twitter:

@ samsteinhp : this thing passed.

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HuffPost's Jon Ward writes on Twitter:

@ jonward11 : CR now has 218 votes and will pass barring some unforeseen change in votes. shutdown averted.

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Gaylord P Farqua 07:47 AM on 04/08/2011
Time for the President to lead and forget about reelection and remember his campaign before the election that put him in the White House. He needs to go on television and respond to that insensitive "corporate" employee gang of political thugs and simply say: "The White House budget proposal is withdrawn. There will be no cuts whatsoever and the GOP/Tea Party and all those gutless Democrats who cannot  Read More...
07:55 PM on 04/08/2011
I don't see how Obama can ever respect these guys. I don't see how he did in the first place, but now....sheesh.
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IFany
move forward or die
04:28 PM on 04/08/2011
I think that to rationalize the Republican policies you would have a self destructive mentality, that allows you to cut off your nose to spite your face
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fredvh
Just a small town Iowa guy
09:05 PM on 04/08/2011
wow
you are more polite than i would be saying that.
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toocoolfoschool1234
Stab your television. Get a guitar.
04:18 PM on 04/08/2011
Democrats and Republicans(including teaparty) are incapable of doing what is right for the country. Don't give them your votes anymore.
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IFany
move forward or die
04:15 PM on 04/08/2011
This right wing obsession for control of women is really akin to slavery, it's Talibanian , Religious zealots, scary as hell
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IFany
move forward or die
03:12 PM on 04/08/2011
Regan came into office and emptied the mental institutions and gained the right wing base
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IFany
move forward or die
01:29 PM on 04/08/2011
I am beginning to believe that if ignorance was a virtue, the entire Right wing of this nation would spout wings, and receive divine sainthood
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JustABriefThought
TAX THE RICH? ONLY a DEM supermajority will do it.
12:21 PM on 04/08/2011
I am finding it almost impossible to believe that the heartless GOP/TP congress is PROUD of their obstructionism (which they then BLAME on Democrats). GOP/TPers are throwng our soldiers and their families under the bus in order to 1) knock off Planned Parenthood and thus deny women reproductive rights provided to them under the sacred Constitution 2) deny women and infants affordable healthcare 2) knock of the Environmental Protection Agency - do Republican/teababies not BREATHE or get cancer from toxic waste? 3) knock off the middle class. What's in it for GOP/TPs? A: POWER to destroy non-rich U.S. citizens and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Voters - remember the love next time you vote.
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malwoden
common scold
12:19 PM on 04/08/2011
It has been suggested that some persons posting on HP are being paid to engage in far-right rant. If this is true (and I think it is), will someone please tell me why those who are hiring them believe such illogical ranting will change the mind of anyone? Aren't they just throwing their money away?
AntiSocialSailor
Ain't no luggage racks on a hearse
04:05 PM on 04/08/2011
They don't really expect to change anyone's mind right away. They count on a long-term cumulative effect among the "fence sitters" who would be more receptive to their propaganda in other venues if they believe there is less than unanimity on boards like this. It's really a medium-long term strategy, much like some advertising campaigns.
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fredvh
Just a small town Iowa guy
08:33 PM on 04/08/2011
it's just like the birthers.
keep repeating something enough times and people might believe it.
09:28 PM on 04/08/2011
History has proven that catchy slogans, buzz words, and colorful logos can make a difference in elections. It used to be called connecting with your base and grass root organizing. Now that the Political Right uses it, it is called deceit and astroturfing.
11:47 AM on 04/08/2011
Barack Obama officially announced his 2012 re-election campaign this week with an email to supporters and a simple video featuring a series of people seemingly trying to convince themselves that they should vote for him again. Obama's not in the video, and not a single policy issue or accomplishment is named. Big surprise. The campaign has pledged to raise $1 billion, which would make it the most expensive presidential campaign ever, breaking the previous record held by ... Barack Obama.
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IFany
move forward or die
11:39 AM on 04/08/2011
Republiklan vocal support group Inc., an subsidiary of Koch industries, we do rallies, debates, and online lying, guns are extra, If it's incredulous statement you need , ignorance is our specialty
11:38 AM on 04/08/2011
speaking of social media revolutions, how can we move this country to a popular vote system. Right wingers are so vastly outnumbered in the general population. lets avoid the next shutdown by having the population, not district lines put in place representation of truly popular beliefs, and move this country in the progressive direction it deserves to be in.
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Greta42
Undo 2010 in 2012
12:04 PM on 04/08/2011
There have been petitions circulated over the last few years and I did sign one for not having the electoral system in my state. I believe it is done state by state. Here's a link I found by googling "Eliminating the electoral college":

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-garibaldi-frick/eliminate-the-electoral-c_b_69457.html
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fredvh
Just a small town Iowa guy
08:35 PM on 04/08/2011
for the strict constitutionalists.....there is nothing in the constitution about the electoral college.
08:45 PM on 04/08/2011
What about Article 2 Section 1? What about the 12th, 14th, and 24th Amendments?
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SmartladyDem
Woman for OBAMA!
11:34 AM on 04/08/2011
Any woman that votes Republican is betraying the sisterhood.

Whether you are pro choice or not, federal funding allows all woman access to health care.
Voting for a party that is against that is despicable, and you are selling us all out and you should be ashamed. Republicans are anti woman and blocking funding for Planned Parenthood is like saying that woman are still second class citizens.
11:38 AM on 04/08/2011
get insurance and you have access

wow......the entitlement mentality is in play with you
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Greta42
Undo 2010 in 2012
11:41 AM on 04/08/2011
You sound like Marie Antoinette - and I hope you know what happened to her!
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malwoden
common scold
12:16 PM on 04/08/2011
Don't play dumb. You know full well many Americans cannot get insurance because of pre-existing conditions or because, although they work, their employer does not offer it and/or they cannot afford to buy it.
09:37 PM on 04/08/2011
I agree with your rationale and wonder why the Dems think that children are second class citizens... They did after all include funding for smoking cessation in the Stimulus Bill. The majority of funding for the SCHIP Program comes from tobacco taxes. So...
Less smoking = less tobacco taxes = less funding for SCHIP = Dems hate children
11:32 AM on 04/08/2011
idealogical zealots have been empowered by social media to think that their strange beliefs are normal. I guess not all social media revolutions are good.
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Martha12
11:32 AM on 04/08/2011
If defunding Planned Parenthood is so important, why doesn't GOP pass a bill and defund it?

Because they CAN"T.

Instead they put it on the backs of the overburdened troops, because they have tagged on to the bill to ensure troops get their pay.

The American people are sickened by the actions of the teaparty over this, they are NOT fooling anyone.

Planned Parenthood provides cancer screenings and birth-control for millions of women VOTERS, INCLUDING MILITARY wives and daughters.
11:40 AM on 04/08/2011
"Planned Parenthood provides cancer screenings and birth-cont­rol for millions of women VOTERS, INCLUDING MILITARY wives and daughters."

so does your local doctor or hospital......so what
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Greta42
Undo 2010 in 2012
12:09 PM on 04/08/2011
What an ignorant statement - no surprise though considering it's from one of the paid for trolls.
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Martha12
12:11 PM on 04/08/2011
Military families get an average $1,200 per month....they cannot AFFORD to go to a doctor OR a hospital OR buy birth-control.

THAT......is "so what".

Your attitude and ignorance of the reality of millions of women's lives is exactly what sickens the rest of the country.
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Greta42
Undo 2010 in 2012
11:43 AM on 04/08/2011
Great post, Martha. Faved by a fan.
11:29 AM on 04/08/2011
How can we put these Zealots back in the holes they slithered out of?
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Greta42
Undo 2010 in 2012
11:46 AM on 04/08/2011
As you know, once Pandora's Box is opened, it's impossible to close it again. The only ways to deal with zealots is to tirelessly challenge the lies they put on the airwaves with the truth and join in with others to start recalls of them or at least field a candidate in the next election that can beat them.
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bd7769
I may not always be right, but I am never wrong.
12:31 PM on 04/08/2011
correct that is what the repubs did last year, i am glad we agree