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Government Shutdown By The Numbers: A Primer


First Posted: 04/08/11 06:07 PM ET Updated: 06/08/11 06:12 AM ET

Senate Democrats say that the White House has agreed to $78 billion in cuts, yet House Republicans are saying there's no deal unless they get $40 or $41 billion. Huh?

The difference comes from the starting point. Democrats are working off of the president's requested budget for the fiscal year, which was $1.128 trillion. That's the same baseline that House Republicans used when they cut $102 billion with their first bill, H.R. 1, bringing the spending down to $1.026 trillion.

But House Republicans are no longer using the president's request as their baseline and instead are using the spending level that existed on January 1. For obscure accounting reasons, there's some dispute about whether that number is $1.087 trillion or $1.089 trillion.

There have been two stop-gap spending bills since the GOP took over the House, both of which extracted cuts, bringing the number down to $1.077 trillion.

Democrats have now agreed to bring the number down to $1.050 trillion, which is either a cut of $78 billion (from the president's requested budget) or $37 or $39 billion (from the Jan. 1 baseline) or $27 billion (from the current baseline).

There are games being played on both sides: The president's request was never going to be enacted into law, so both parties have been disingenuous in using it as a baseline. But there is a number that realistically could have become law, and that's the one that was proposed by Sens. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) and Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.). Known as the Sessions-McCaskill level, it blew up in December over a fight over earmarks, but it had the broad support of both parties in general.

That figure was $1.108 trillion -- $58 billion above what Democrats are now willing to accept.

So while Republicans have managed to extract roughly $39 billion from current levels, the more impressive feat from their perspective is to have won $58 billion in cuts from what was broadly politically acceptable only three months ago.

Two things to keep in mind: Neither party is saying what will be cut, and on MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan show Friday afternoon, House Assistant Democratic Leader Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) said that he would support Speaker John Boehner's decision not to tell the American people what is being cut so that "special interests" don't have the chance to fight back.

And the fiscal year is roughly half over and the government has been operating at the current spending level up until now, meaning that the $39 billion in one-year cuts will need to be made in just half a year -- effectively doubling their impact. The focus on Planned Parenthood may be distracting from a dramatic GOP victory on spending.

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Senate Democrats say that the White House has agreed to $78 billion in cuts, yet House Republicans are saying there's no deal unless they get $40 or $41 billion. Huh? The difference comes from the ...
Senate Democrats say that the White House has agreed to $78 billion in cuts, yet House Republicans are saying there's no deal unless they get $40 or $41 billion. Huh? The difference comes from the ...
 
 
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liberal=fair share with others money
05:10 PM on 04/10/2011
But we can't get spending under control. The dems can not find one cut that isn't putting the children and elderly in the streets to d ie. Every project is noble and we should double the spending on all. just listen to them. What is priceless is they could take 50% from the rich and corps and still not have enough. It's their crack co,caine
08:46 AM on 04/10/2011
NO ONE AS OF YET HAS EXPLAINED WHY THE DEM. NEVER PASSED A BUDGET? FRANKLEY ON MSNBC THE ONLY WORTHY NEWS FROM THEM IS TO DOWN GRADE FOX NEWS . THEY MUST MONITOR FOX 24/7 FOR THEIR PROGRAMS. THINK AM KIDDING WATCH IT !!!!
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Stop the frickin Fracking. NOW!
12:36 PM on 04/09/2011
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hairydodger
03:32 AM on 04/09/2011
It was like watching the WWE. It was a drama play put on by both parties to puff themselves up and posture when they all knew that there would be no shutdown. WTF did we all elect? Cons and libs, we've been had. I'm a screaming liberal and I put out a request to the conservatives that we change the elected to someone that will not do this drama play. Think about the past two weeks for a minute. Neither side was really doing what they said. We were duped and the media were duped into spreading the word for them.
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12:53 AM on 04/09/2011
Harry's comments today are the most ridiculous thing I've read lately, in weeks, and forever. Do you guys really feel proud of the crazy things he says? it's sad, really.
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johuyik
Pro-2cnd and anti-NRA.
12:31 AM on 04/09/2011
Step 1: Undermine women's rights.
Step 2: Unfund food programs for the poor....
12:29 AM on 04/09/2011
REBUBLICAN DUMP OVER SOLDIER FOR TOP CORPORATION AND THE WEALTHY

Republicans follow out their threat that was made Tuesday, no cut for top corporation or my wealthy friend, no soldier will get paid!!!

Paul D. Ryan, the Wisconsin Republican and Budget Committee chairman stated loudly that Republican s WILL cut $5.8 trillion over the next decade by reshaping popular programs like Medicare. Republican also demand reducing all the top corporate and wealthy individual tax rates 25 percent in what Republicans say is a move to improve American economic competitiveness.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) used his floor time to warn/threat Democrats that the GOP would call for much deeper cuts when the time came, in the next few weeks, to raise the federal government's debt ceiling. Failure to do so would have consequences.

I am sadden that the soldiers who fought and are still fighting for the Amerian People are thought of as nothing more than a pawn to for the Republicans and their supporters.

President Obama plea for the Republican to lower the amount of trillions they wanted to please large corporation and the top wealthy people at the expense of the American people and the Military Arm Forces went unheard

As a retired soldier, I hoping America Arm Forces, Know how little the Republicans and their supporter care about them or their families

The American People knows when it comes to money, greed, corruption, lying, cheating, the Republican Party will stop at nothing
12:04 AM on 04/09/2011
In the end, their hypocrisy will out 'anyone' that changed what they were about.

If it hurts jobs and economy growth instead of helping as republican'ts claim, they'll 'own' their lie.
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bigmadd
Retired Teamster & Vet USN
12:02 AM on 04/09/2011
So now there they are going to cut the budget, So when now are we going to see the other side of the coin and see the Bush tax breaks rolled back so we can put some money into the budget so we could work toward a balanced budget? The republicans always forget that there are two sides to this coin.
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vietveter
To the FAR LEFT
01:50 AM on 04/09/2011
Their idea is just like a family that runs-up debt on their credit cards and thinks that the way to take care of the debt is to shop at WalMart and spend less money. Nowhere in their thinking is the thought of more income to help pay down existing debt
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bigmadd
Retired Teamster & Vet USN
08:04 AM on 04/09/2011
You put it very understandable terms but you know thata teabagger will only see the Wal-Mart side fanned
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Yana7
Yes we can!
11:54 AM on 04/09/2011
The two sides of that coin you talk about are revenues and spending.
Please tell us how some one without a job can "put some money into the budget" by raising revenues without cutting spending to survice? He could rob a bank!
Or rob the taxpayers that are left...and there's fewer by the day!
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bigmadd
Retired Teamster & Vet USN
12:38 PM on 04/09/2011
how about making the super wealthy start paying taxes back to the level they did when Clinton ran a balanced budget and there was jobs. what part of giving our nations wealth to a few people at the very top don't you understand? The trinkle down economics doesn't work because all that happen is they kept the money and outsourced our jobs.
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AP209
11:34 PM on 04/08/2011
So...the American people do not NEED to know what is being cut and what isn't going to be cut? We shouldn't be TOLD these things??
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Yana7
Yes we can!
11:56 AM on 04/09/2011
With everyone talking about the looming financial tsunami (both Dems and Reps), let's spend another few years discussing if you're going to save your lawn furniture or your tool shed.
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structurequity
structurequity not oppression
11:22 PM on 04/08/2011
The lobbyists bring forward the hand that feeds them for a kissing! What do we do? We wash their feet and beseme kulo.
11:15 PM on 04/08/2011
I hope the Dems get a spine before before the next debate or American's safety net (medicaire and medicaid) will become a tightrope from which many American's will plummet when they are truly in need in help. The "historic cuts" agreed to in FY 11 will have real impacts on the most vulnerable while the 1% keep their Bush tax cuts.
11:57 PM on 04/08/2011
Hope - It's not on the menu any more.
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rhomsky
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10:19 PM on 04/08/2011
So basically this is like a buyer and seller of a 200,000 house haggling over around 400 bucks?
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Andrew Wojtkowski
Physengrammer
10:55 PM on 04/08/2011
Its not about the money. That is why thee republican excuse makes no sense. It's never about the budget. Always always always special interests.
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bigmadd
Retired Teamster & Vet USN
12:10 AM on 04/09/2011
In a perfect world you would roll back those Bush tax give-a-way to the top 1% or 2%er's and cut the military spending . And then go after the multinational Corporations who are outsourcing our jobs.problem solved. maybe 2012 (sigh)
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