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NATO: Libya Rebel Deaths Don't Require Apology

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SLOBODAN LEKIC   04/ 8/11 04:07 PM ET   AP

BRUSSELS — NATO holds its fire as Moammar Gadhafi's forces advance 100 miles into rebel territory. It then blasts a rebel tank, saying it didn't know the rebels had any – even though footage of rebels with tanks had been on YouTube for weeks.

NATO's leadership of the Libya campaign is coming under increasing criticism for mistakes and ineffectiveness. Nine difficult days of leading the air war have brought into sharp relief the confusion, ambiguity and constraints of the alliance's mission.

"This is something new. We haven't had a significant military operation in which the Americans have taken a back seat for quite some time," Malcolm Chalmers, a professor of defense at London's Kings College, said Friday. "It really is unclear whether the Europeans can rise to that challenge."

The NATO bombing of a rebel convoy on Thursday, in which five people died and at least one rebel tank was destroyed, appears to have crystalized the perception – to outsiders, at least – that the alliance is running a bumbling campaign.

Misfires are not uncommon during air operations. And in NATO's defense, poor visibility from thick clouds and sandstorms whipped up by brisk sea breezes has limited the targets – particularly during the lightning counterattack by Gadhafi forces early last week. Government forces pushed some 100 miles eastward from Gadhafi's hometown of Sirte past rebel forward positions at Bin Jawwad, pushing the rebels back to Ras Lanuf and later to Brega, where the front is now.

Further complicating the military campaign has been a lack of human spotters on the ground – CIA agents in Libya are said to be gathering intelligence on the organizational structure of the rebel movement rather than coordinating airstrikes – and no established network for NATO and the ragtag group of rebels to communicate.

But as the rebels angrily accused the alliance of mistakes and neglect, NATO's frustrated leaders refused to apologize Friday for the bombing of the tanks. And NATO commanders, in turn, are frustrated that the rebels see NATO as their proxy air force, rather than a force to protect civilians in Libya.

There is significant ambiguity about the scope and objective of the mission. The U.N. resolution under which the alliance operates requires it to protect civilians from Gadhafi's forces while remaining impartial.

"There's a very difficult trade-off for NATO here," Chalmers said. "If they wait until they're absolutely certain that they've got the targets right and that there are no civilians, Gadhafi's forces will have vanished in the confusion by then."

Adding to NATO's woes, the U.S., which handed off its leadership role March 31, halted its combat role this week. That move is depriving NATO of certain kinds of aircraft that could prove useful in some of the close urban warfare battles between forces loyal to Gadhafi and rebels bent on his ouster.

NATO acknowledged Friday that its airstrikes had hit rebels using tanks to fight government forces in eastern Libya, saying it thought only Gadhafi regime forces had used heavy armored vehicles.

Yet if NATO did not know, that seems extraordinary: Video and photos from the start of the uprising against Gadhafi's rule a month ago showed that some Libyan armored units had changed sides in the early stages of the rebellion, bringing their equipment with them.

On Friday, British Rear Adm. Russell Harding, deputy commander of the NATO operation, said it was difficult for allied pilots to distinguish between rebels and regime troops engaged in a series of advances and retreats between the eastern coastal towns of Brega and Ajdabiya.

"I am not apologizing (for the bombing)," Harding told reporters in Naples, Italy, where the alliance's operational center is located. "The situation on the ground was and remains extremely fluid, and until yesterday we did not have information that (rebel) forces are using tanks."

NATO's Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen expressed regret over the rebels' loss of life, but he too offered no apology.

Complicating matters further for NATO, ground fire over the Libyan battlefields remains a serious threat to any jet making low-level passes – a must for pilots trying to identify enemy forces in a fast-changing situation.

A U.S.-led coalition initially launched the air war on March 19. Although the first such strikes on Libyan targets quickly destroyed most of Gadhafi's fixed surface-to-air missile emplacements and the radars that control them, Gadhafi's forces are believed to have hundreds of automatic cannon and shoulder-launched rockets – including sophisticated Russian-built Iglas – that can easily down planes like A-10 Thunderbolts or AC-130 gunships at low altitudes.

NATO learned this the hard way during the 1999 war in Kosovo, where a number of its attack jets were struck by ground fire and had to make emergency landings at nearby alliance-held airports. Commanders then ordered the pilots not to descend lower than 5,000 meters (15,000 feet), keeping them outside the killing range of guns but drastically reducing the effectiveness of their bombing attacks on Serbian ground forces.

Now, NATO jets are again operating mainly at higher altitudes, where Iglas and Gadhafi's pickup-mounted 37mm and 20mm guns cannot reach them.

Harding said Friday that NATO jets had conducted 318 sorties and struck 23 targets across Libya in the past 48 hours. They have flown over 1,500 sorties since assuming overall command.

The jets have destroyed Gadhafi's anti-aircraft missile defenses, T-72 tanks and ammunition dumps, Harding said. The NATO attacks have also targeted Gadhafi's loyalist forces in the besieged city of Misrata, where rebels continue to hold out.

But critics have questioned NATO's limited mandate of only protecting civilians directly threatened by Gadhafi's troops, rather than trying to eliminate the threat completely by destroying the strongman's regime.

"By not striking at the regime from the outset, Gadhafi was granted the initiative to embed his forces in urban settings hiding behind human shields in a form of guerrilla warfare," said Barack Seneer, a Middle East expert at the Royal United Services Institute, a British military think tank.

"A no-fly zone is not equipped to contend with guerrilla warfare or with a stalemate that places rebels and loyalists at close proximity with one another," he said.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said NATO is flying about the same number of combat missions in Libya as when the U.S. was part of the strike mission – so it should be no surprise that they provide only limited help to the Libyan rebels.

"With not having our own people on the ground, without having forward air controllers and observers and so on, and with the pilots trying to go out of their way to avoid civilian casualties, obviously it becomes more difficult to support ground operation," Gates told reporters in Mosul, in northern Iraq.

Gates also said Gadhafi's forces are using more civilian vehicles and clothing to blend in with rebel forces, making it even more complicated for NATO's combat pilots to distinguish friend from foe.

Analysts suggest that neither side in Libya can deliver a decisive blow against the other anymore, and say the war has turned into a stalemate that could last for many months.

"The initial military operation achieved its objective of preventing a massacre of rebels and civilians in Benghazi," Chalmers said. "But NATO inherited a much messier situation, and we are now entering a period in which politics and not the military will have to play a leading role."

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Associated Press writers Don Melvin in Brussels, Robert Burns in Mosul, and Danica Kirka in London contributed to this report.

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FaceTheTruth00
I'm a girl.
06:00 PM on 04/09/2011
So when the US accidentally hits some friendlies, we're vilified for it. But, when NATO does it, it's an accident and they're not apologizing.

Just checking.
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WillieBlack
08:45 AM on 04/10/2011
"when the US accidental­ly hits some friendlies..."

At least NATO (the sans US version) haven't resorted to gunning down kids from helicopters, killing border guards, using drones to blow up villages that enemy combatants just MAY be staying in, etc. etc.

I guess when they start doing that you'll have a direct comparison to consider and, maybe, something to complain about.
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Dec2086Lover
After all you are my wonderwall.
04:10 PM on 04/09/2011
I think the Obama administration,along with Britain and France are trying diplomatic strategies to bring down Gaddafi.He will do soon,but we have to be patient.
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02:13 PM on 04/09/2011
If my boys lose because NATO can't get it together, the organization should be dissolved as ineffective ( for whatever the reason ), obsolete and a waist of money ( in very tight financial times ).
If they can't win a minor conflict on the South side of the Mediterranean with a hash - addicted, incoherent, corrupt adversary they are in the wrong kind of business and have no right to exist.
Who's the crew that's running this thing anyway; what's their claim to fame in military matters ?
So far I haven't seen anything from them that's ready for prime time.
Inquiring minds want to know about all this; lives and futures are at stake here, and it would be unforgiveable to have them lost at the hands of incompetents, no matter their rank or positions ( incompetence not knowing rank or position is one of the first thing you learn in combat ).

El Cojonú
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WillieBlack
08:58 AM on 04/10/2011
Wow. John Wayne lives.
09:28 PM on 04/10/2011
He was a draft dodger ; one of many in Hollywood at the time.
Never even thought of volunteering ( some did, but not him ).
Nah, I'm just a Viet Vet who appreciates good warriors, like those kids in Libya.
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01:44 PM on 04/09/2011
the Europeans have not successfully led a military operation since the 19th century. So let's be honest. We can't put wimps in charge. Bush was and is Stupid as a microbe but he was not a wimp.
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WillieBlack
08:48 AM on 04/10/2011
The USA sure put those Grenadians in there place.

But, be honest - the rest's been a real pig's breakfast.
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WillieBlack
01:05 PM on 04/10/2011
*their*
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Edward Standley
opinionated jerk
01:20 PM on 04/09/2011
Sounds like everybody is sniveling that "warfare is hard". Well, what the heck did you expect when the shooting started?
01:09 PM on 04/09/2011
So when are we going to abandon the Decider Doctrine of invade the world, invite the world, and be in debt to the world and bring our troops home and stop trying to subjugate other nations till they conform to "our" will. Being meddlesome is rather tiresome, besides we've got more than our share of problems at home and this is solving none of them.

http://www.warisaracket.org
01:11 PM on 04/09/2011
This is a doctrine of your own concoction to pin some blame or other on your President, who has clearly stated that your country cannot shoulder the burden of resolving conflicts worldwide.
01:34 PM on 04/09/2011
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I didn't vote for B@rry or McSame, and this isn't being created out of the aether, there's all the tangible proof in the world. Take your apologetics and keep on floating down denial river, I was in the Marine Corps too long to be buffaloed by this load of bs.

60 percent of our troop deaths in Afghanistan have occurred since January of '09. SecDef Gates said this week we'd probably be in Iraq from now till the the twelfth of never. Libya is devolving into the quagmire any thinking person would have guessed, and now, as CBS reported Thursday, one of our generals has said we'll probably need ground troops there to support the boots on the ground who we supposedly don't have there in this "kinetic military action". What a farce.

http://www.warsisaracket.org
12:51 PM on 04/09/2011
This is going to have long lasting consequences. There was an idea that if the people of a repressive regeime where to revolt the regeime would collaspe and freedom would be realised. The world would breath a little easier. With all the uprisings seen in the Middle East, there has been no advancement of freedom. The breath of the world is more laborous than ever before. If there is not concrete advancement of freedom with all these uprising, hope for a better world is lost and repression of people will become worse. Recently millions of repressed people have marched and their couragous effort has been squandered. Hope is dying fast.
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wowme
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail
12:47 PM on 04/09/2011
Maybe the west should stop trying to invade muslims countries, they are uncontrollable.
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wom122
Primum non nocere
03:12 PM on 04/09/2011
May be we/(the west) should stop invading ANY country and mind our own business.
12:34 PM on 04/09/2011
Occasionally the democratic uprising is called out here for taking up arms at all. Here`s a reminder of what set off the chain of events:
"The protests against Qaddafi began in Benghazi on February 15, when fourteen black-robed lawyers demanded the release of Fathi Turbil, a fellow lawyer hauled in for questioning by Abdullah Sanussi, Qaddafi’s intelligence chief and brother-in-law. But as the crowds grew, the authorities responded first with rubber bullets, then live ones, and later antiaircraft guns pointed directly at the crowds"
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/apr/07/battle-libya/
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PlayTOE
Morals evolved due to cooperative group living
12:23 PM on 04/09/2011
There is a Canadian leading the NATO effort, and they should be achieving much better results than they are showing.
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Edward Standley
opinionated jerk
01:24 PM on 04/09/2011
I dunno, it seems like it would be kind of difficult to determine whether their results should be better without being there. Like the old saying- "The best battle plan goes out the window when the first shot is fired".
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WillieBlack
08:55 AM on 04/10/2011
What does the fact that there is a Canadian leading the NATO effort have to do with the situation, and what, in your view, would constitute "much better results"?

You think maybe NATO-lite shouldn't be so reticent in attacking the government forces while they're hiding amongst the civilian population in the cities the rebels are trying to take?
12:19 PM on 04/09/2011
When the shooting starts the politicians should take a back seat and wait until the shooting stops. In the interim they can plan for what happens after the shooting stops.

Air power should have been used intensively when the Libyan People's Rebel forces were advancing on Sirte. If that had happened this conflict would have ben over in a week with the Libyan people the winners and not Gaddafi and his stooges.
12:19 PM on 04/09/2011
I am curious why the media has not been reporting the number of casualties and wounded in this "humanitarian" mission. I find it interesting that we're being told how many friendly fire casulties there have been but not a peep about the main conflict numbers. Another sanitised war. I'm so glad our keen sense of intuition enabled us to prevent a civilian (armed, roiting civilians are not very civil) massacre. Syria has been reported as being one of the harshist regiems yet there hasn't been any reports of civilian massacres. Just how many lives have been saved? The 800-1000 unarmed, non- roiting, under the protection of the UN, Christians killed in the Ivory Coast was a massacre and yet that received little attention. Something smells of the French and UN's involvement in the elections which started the conflict. How ironic that they organised and now lead the NFZ. Something really smells and the stench is coming from dead bodies.
12:39 PM on 04/09/2011
It speaks in their favour, if the public in democracies cannot stomach casualties incurred at the hands of their military. By the same token, tyrants take this to be the soft underbelly of "the West" and play to those sentiments. It`s not that the Gaddafi regime is known to spare the lives of its opponents.