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Republicans Deny Their Vote for Ryan Budget Plan Has Political Risks


First Posted: 04/15/11 07:46 PM ET Updated: 06/15/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- House Republicans overwhelmingly passed a budget proposal Friday that would fundamentally overhaul and slash funding for Medicare -- a vote that Democrats are predicting will come back to haunt the GOP in 2012.

The proposal, offered by Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), would cut trillions from the federal debt over the next decade and transform Medicare from a government-run program into a voucher-like system where the government subsidizes purchases of private insurance plans. People aged 55 years and older would remain in the current system, but younger people would begin receiving subsidies that steadily lose value over time.

Democrats, who argue that the Ryan budget plan kills Medicare, predicted Republicans’ near-unanimous vote for the bill will have dire political consequences for them among older voters. It passed 235 to 193, with every Democrat voting “no” and only four GOP lawmakers opposing it: Reps. Ron Paul (Texas), Walter Jones (N.C.), David McKinley (W.Va.) and Denny Rehberg (Mont.), who is running for Senate in 2012.

This vote will “absolutely” come back to haunt Republicans, said Rep. Kathy Castor (D-Fla.). “I am shocked that my fellow Floridians who are Republican voted to end Medicare.” Anyone who says the bill doesn’t end Medicare is “misrepresenting this,” Castor said. “All families today are affected. Funds for nursing homes are slashed and Medicare is left to wither on the vine.”

Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.), a vocal member of the Populist Caucus, called a vote for the bill “indefensible” and said it “certainly should” have political consequences. “If there was any shift in the last election, it was over what Obamacare did to Medicare,” he said. “This is 110 times worse. This is doing nothing but dismantling Medicare.”

House Republicans heading out of the Capitol after Friday’s vote either pushed back on the idea that their vote could hurt them politically or dodged the question altogether.

“I honestly don’t think so,” Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Texas). “The American public is so hungry for truth-tellers, especially on the budget. They know something needs to get done …. This was the right thing to do politically and principally.”

“Call my office. They’ll be happy to talk to you,” Rep. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) said repeatedly when asked if he felt good about his vote.

Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) rebutted the idea that the proposal would have any impact on Medicare recipients. “It’s not going to affect seniors or near-seniors," she said. "There is no change for them."

Rep. Geoff Davis (R-Ky.) said anyone making “a fact-based” assessment of the proposal knows that it helps Medicare, not hurts it. “This, in fact, preserves Medicare,” he said. “In the near-term, retirees have the exact same system … In the long-term, it preserves the soundness of a social safety net.” Asked about arguments that the proposal destroys Medicare, the Kentucky Republican said those messages come from Democrats who are “simply making specious arguments -- false statements.”

But the White House stood by its assertion that the proposal guts Medicare. “The House Republican plan places the burden of debt reduction on those who can least afford it, ends Medicare as we know it, and doubles health care costs for seniors in order to pay for more than a trillion dollars in tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires,” White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said in a statement released after the bill cleared the House.

The Ryan plan is not expected to pass the Senate.

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WASHINGTON -- House Republicans overwhelmingly passed a budget proposal Friday that would fundamentally overhaul and slash funding for Medicare -- a vote that Democrats are predicting will come back t...
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msgirlintn 09:38 PM on 04/15/2011
Of course it is going to hurt the Republicans.  They are in big time denial if they think otherwise.  Ryan's bill does away with Medicare.  Seniors and the Disabled like Medicare and the services they get with it. 
 
Ryan's plan is polling, depending on the poll, where 54-76% of the country disapprove of the plan.  The tea bagger base he is pandering to has a 17%  Read More...
09:58 PM on 04/19/2011
How about cutting foreign aid instead of programs helping Americans, which is paid for by Americans. Or members of Congress and the President should take a pay cut until they balance the budget.
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nenitaB
love begets love
07:20 AM on 04/23/2011
Isn't it one good idea. Maybe the richest ones could take a share for donations .instead.
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Nonyabizz
Facts are really just a liberal plot
03:33 PM on 04/19/2011
Denial. Not just a river in Egypt anymore...
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Beercandyman
Never deny to someone else, the rights you enjoy.
02:44 PM on 04/19/2011
It is funny that the Republicans would spend money on a bill signed by a Democrat.
09:43 AM on 04/19/2011
John Q help! pls.
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Beercandyman
Never deny to someone else, the rights you enjoy.
11:36 AM on 04/18/2011
We should go back the the tax rates that the last Republican who balanced the budget had. That was Eisenhower and 90%. The Republicans need a 90% top tax rate to balance the budget.
10:55 PM on 04/21/2011
Yes and times were good.
IMOPINIONH8D
because I want it empty...
04:39 AM on 04/18/2011
If the teapubs think cutting medicare wont hurt their chances put this out there, inform the public about the bill and watch the dems win back the house, a few more seats in the senate and the white house. We might even find us a blue dog that needs replacing.
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Querent
I just had to say that.
05:09 AM on 04/18/2011
There are a few Blue Dogs left in the Senate. They've mostly been purged from the House. The Presidency is a problem.
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Onlygodknowswhy
and you are not god
01:56 AM on 04/18/2011
That tax cut fairy come through here.
You know the tax cut fairy.
She was supposed to bring billions in tax cut fairy dollars and millions of tax cut fairy jobs.
I have been waiting for ten years.
She must be lost.
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lapdogs
Avid News Reader
08:48 AM on 04/18/2011
Yup, that "Trickle Down" theory is really "working".

It's just that, a "theory".

You can put your umbrella away now.
07:54 PM on 04/18/2011
I guess that's the point too, right? It's "trickle down" and not a "down-pour", so we would never have needed our umbrellas to begin with under Reagan's plan! :-)
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
12:10 AM on 04/18/2011
As they should: the dupes vote for the GOP no matter how badly and how many times the GOP ruin their lives. Dupes, why do you do that?
11:25 PM on 04/17/2011
The Ryan Plan is the ultimate death panel plan because it is not grounded in actuarial reality or common sense. Few if any private health insurance carriers are going to willingly insure seniors--especially those with preexisting health problems, which most seniors have. The Ryan Plan is a euphemism for a subtle form of euthanasia and elder abuse, because the Ryan Plan abandons seniors to the mercy of private insurers for whom health care is a venture for profit, not HEALTH CARE. Health insurers want young, healthy, risk-free members who can increase their bottom lines and stuff their pockets with premiums, not the elderly. When money is God, even your parents and grandparents are seen as obstacles to personal wealth and profit.

The Ryan Plan is a death plan because many seniors will suffer and die far short of average life expectancy if it is passed. Seniors who have lived long in this world have witnessed many forms of evil that make human beings disposable, from the holocaust of the Nazis to various types of genocide, patricide, matricide, parenticide, fratricide, sororicide, viricide, uxoricide, filicide, parricide, and infanticide, but now with the Ryan Plan we can add a new term to the long list of murders, of . . . cides (from the Latin, caedere, to kill). We can now "proudly" add the word ELDERCIDE to our long list of human atrocities.

Gerhardt Jacobs

Voting for the Ryan Plan is complicity in murder.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
12:11 AM on 04/18/2011
deliberately negligent homicide at the very least....ff in fact FAN #1!
01:00 PM on 04/18/2011
Thanks for the feedback! Your distinction is appreciated and noted; however, "deliberate negligence" implies intent; and intent distinguishes negligence from willfulness and premeditation, the state of mind determining whether or not a killing is manslaughter or first degree murder. With the Ryan Plan, Ryan and his supporters must know (or certainly should know as elected officials) what the ramifications of their plan will be, especially for those who are now under 55 with various forms of chronic illness and who will be uninsurable under the Ryan Plan, so unless wealthy enough to fund their own care will have either short or painful, low quality lives, without the health care needed for a viable existence. There is no excuse for those in Congress who support the Ryan Plan; they cannot claim ignorance--at least not in good faith or without eliciting mockery, disbelief, and laughs.

The best we can perhaps say about their motives and actions is that they are reckless--a form of criminally negligent homicide. But really, from my perspective, I still see what they are doing as intentional and therefore murder in at least the second degree. They are not overtly sending people to the gas chambers and putting them in ovens, but by making it very difficult and for some impossible to obtain health care when 65, they are none-the-less committing Eldercide and planning (intending) that some will die as a result of this extremely sinister form of cost containment.

Thanks, again.

Gerhardt
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bellestarr21445
Too soon old...too late wise.
03:49 AM on 04/18/2011
Well put.

FnF
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11:03 PM on 04/17/2011
The Ryan budget is simply the shifting of public money into the hands of the wealthy for which they ARE not entitled without actually lowering the deficit.

The lowest form of political endeavor known to man.
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429freckles
Ex Republican Now Devoted Democrat
10:44 PM on 04/17/2011
Just what -- there WILL be consequences. I PROMISE you that.
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Joe The Nerd Ferraro
Group IQ is inversely proportional to group size.
09:43 PM on 04/17/2011
Denial is a powerful thing for the GOP.
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LibertyRoy
Listen up! I am a Libertarian, not a Republican!
09:48 PM on 04/17/2011
Like collectivism is for the Left.
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11:04 PM on 04/17/2011
What are you babbling about?

How about something specific?
08:48 PM on 04/17/2011
In Oregon, we do not have conflicts like this over spending because Oregon has evolved into a constituti­onal oligarchy. It is governed by a parliament­ary body consisting of six elected mistresses and headed by a female they refer to as 'The Big Nanny'
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Querent
I just had to say that.
05:00 AM on 04/18/2011
"They"? You mean you. Funny how nannies are fine for the children of rich Republicans, no matter how much anguish it causes their children, yet not fine for metaphors involving government. Nannies are women who are paid to provide constant child care. The Democratic women of Oregon care because they have basic human empathy. Possibly there is a component of maternal feeling in their caring. That's good, decent, and admirable. The real oligarchy is that of the CEO class.
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Aaron Pozdol
Utopianism is the greatest sin there is.
09:56 AM on 04/18/2011
Do you work for Dark Horse? Sounds like this would make a great 4-parter.
04:36 PM on 04/19/2011
I am a man of many talents, a son of the city, and a true prophet of the streets.
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07:20 PM on 04/17/2011
THIS is what Republicans should be worried about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZCl2bi-JDY&feature=youtu.be