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Polls Show Opposition To Medicare Cuts, Uncertainty About Ryan Budget

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First Posted: 04/15/11 02:44 PM ET Updated: 06/15/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- This afternoon, the U.S. House of Representative will vote on the Republican budget plan proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) that would transform the Medicare program into a system that would provide seniors with vouchers for private health plans rather than direct payment for their medical bills. But if Americans conclude that it "ends Medicare as we know it," as President Obama argued earlier this week, the proposal will likely face public resistance. Though Americans know little of Ryan's plan, large majorities oppose cuts in Medicare and see little need for a major overhaul.

While pollsters ask about potential changes to Medicare in various ways, their most straightforward questions are about potential budget cuts. The table below features responses to three questions asked about the popular program in recent months. The national surveys show majorities, ranging between 54 and 76 percent of adults, reject the notion of cuts to Medicare:

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The same CBS News and NBC/Wall Street Journal polls as well as another from USA Today/Gallup also asked more broadly about the need for "changes" in the Medicare program. These results show a willingness to make changes but little enthusiasm for a "complete overhaul." Specifically:

  • A CBS News poll last month found slightly more than half (53 percent) of respondents consider it necessary to make changes to Medicare and Social Security, "two of the largest items in the federal budget … in order to significantly reduce the budget deficit." Forty-three percent said such changes are not necessary.
  • Last month's NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found a similar division tilting in the opposite direction. Slightly less than half favor either a "complete overhaul" (16 percent) or "major changes" (28 percent) in Medicare, while a narrow majority favors only "minor modifications" (38 percent) or say the program is "pretty much o.k. as it is."
  • A USA Today/Gallup poll this week shows less enthusiasm for changes when framed as necessary "to control the cost of the program." Less than a third of adults want the government to "completely overhaul" Medicare (13 percent) or "make major changes to Medicare but not completely overhaul it" (18 percent). Far more say any changes should be "minor" (34 percent) or that the government should "not try to control the costs of Medicare" (27 percent).

So the very significant changes to the Medicare program proposed by the Ryan budget will confront a public skeptical of the need for cuts in Medicare or a complete overhaul of the program. That's quite a difference from what President Obama and the Democrats faced in regard to the need for reform of the health care system. Then, as NBC's Mark Murray notes, "a whopping 70 percent said the health system needed 'major reform' or 'complete overhaul.'"

However, these general attitudes do not tell us how voters are reacting to the specifics of Ryan's proposal. The best measure of that comes from the afforementioned NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, which asked about "a proposal to change how Medicare would work so seniors being enrolled in the program ten years from now would be given a guaranteed payment called a voucher from the federal government to purchase a Medicare approved coverage plan from a private health insurance company."

They found those with an opinion split -- 21 percent say the proposal as described is a good idea, 22 percent say it is a bad idea, but a much larger majority (57 percent) who say they do not "know enough about this to have an opinion at this time."

This last result is critical. The vast majority of Americans know little about how Ryan's budget affects Medicare, so polling questions that go on to describe that in more detail are likely to produce fleeing reactions that have more to do with the wording of the questions rather than actual, previously-held opinions about the Republican budget.

Here are a few examples that, not surprisingly, show a huge range of variation:

A previous NBC/Wall Street Journal poll from February asked about "gradually turning Medicare from a system in which the government pays for most beneficiaries’ medical bills into a program in which seniors would receive government-issued vouchers in order to purchase private health insurance." They found slightly more who consider such changes unacceptable (48 percent) than those who found it acceptable (43 percent).

But in their March poll mentioned above, they present arguments from supporters and opponents of a plan to change Medicare into a voucher program starting in ten years:

Which of the following statements do you agree with more?

SUPPORTERS of this proposal say the current Medicare system is financially unsustainable and this proposal will give seniors more health care choices while reducing costs by promoting greater competition in the health care system

...or...

OPPONENTS of this proposal say the current Medicare system provides health insurance to seniors with much lower administrative costs and this proposal will result in less coverage and more out of pocket costs for seniors.

This question produces the opposite result. Nearly half (48 percent) say they agree with the supporters and just slightly better than a third (35 percent) agree with opponent.

Now consider two questions asked on a survey released this morning by the Democratic Party-affiliated Democracy Corps project. They first asked about "a budget for the next 10 years," proposed "this week [by] Republicans in the House of Representatives…that they say will cut 6.2 trillion dollars from the federal budget." When described that way, with no mention of any change to Medicare, the Democratic poll finds 48 percent in favor of the Republican budget and 33 percent opposed.

But they then provide a five-sentence description of the Republican budget plan:

The plan cuts 6.2 trillion dollars below the president's budget and reduces the debt as a percentage of the economy. It makes small cuts in defense spending. It cuts spending for domestic programs in the coming year by 72 billion dollars, almost 20 percent, and freezes it for five years. It repeals the new health care bill and the new Wall Street reform law, makes major cuts of almost 800 billion dollars to Medicaid and Medicare for seniors over the next ten years. Starting in 2022, new retirees will no longer get health coverage through Medicare, but instead will get a voucher that will partially pay for insurance they purchase from private health insurance companies. The proposal cuts taxes for corporations and people making over 370 thousand dollars a year.

This description produces a large shift: Just 36 percent now favor the plan and 56 percent oppose it.

We saw something similar during the health care debate on questions that tried to explain the specifics of the public option. If there's a lesson from that experience it is that these more descriptive questions are the least important measures of what Americans actually know of any ongoing legislative debate. It is the real, fundamental attitudes that matter most. And when it comes to a potential Medicare "overhaul," the overwhelming majority of Americans are skeptical.

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WASHINGTON -- This afternoon, the U.S. House of Representative will vote on the Republican budget plan proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) that would transform the Medicare program into a system that ...
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05:00 PM on 05/23/2011
i am a senior 61 years of age, on disability recovering from a major stroke. I have worked for twp major insurance companies, as an independent agent. PLEASE DO NOT BELIEVE THE PAUL RYAN MEDICARE "LIE!!!!!!!! SENIORS WILL NOT FIND $15,000 BLOCKS GRANTS IN THE PRIVATE MARKET . OUR COSTS WILL RISE, AND THIS IS NOT A SCARE COMMENT.! where do you find affordable care after being diagnosed with type 2 diabertes, myositis, and a stroke? THE ANSWER IS NO WHERE!

I pray that voters are not fooled by the Republican plan., and vote theses jokers in during 2012. Like many of the commentaris on this site, as seniors, we have to do our homework, and make an informed decision. I just hate it when politicians lie to the people.
02:22 AM on 05/15/2011
Until, the Repub senior citizens stop voting against the own interest. (Medicare, Medicaid, SS) the GOP will continue to try pull this kind of B.S.
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susandiane
Despite everything, I am still a proud Virginian
05:49 AM on 05/12/2011
From the Tricare site
TRICARE For Life (TFL) is TRICARE's Medicare-wraparound coverage available to all Medicare-eligible TRICARE beneficiaries, regardless of age or place of residence, provided they have Medicare Parts A and B.
While Medicare is your primary insurance, TRICARE acts as your secondary payer minimizing your out-of-pocket expenses. TRICARE benefits include covering Medicare's coinsurance and deductible.
So how does this "voucher system" affect for military retirees and spouses when we hit 65? (my hubby and I are under 55)
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03:52 PM on 05/02/2011
The Cubans in the house and the one in the Senate have to be watch very close they don't like the President and want to take away our medicare when they talk in spanish tv they put him down real bad I guarantee you they didn't do that when they were in Cuba last night the cuban congress women was interview in spanish and she didn't give the President any credit the four month Senator wants to be tea party president.
12:26 PM on 04/27/2011
Obama proposed and got 500 mil in medicare cuts for his health care plan. you can thank the dems for that..
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richj45
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07:06 AM on 04/22/2011
We have a choice of medically saving and improving lives here or throwing away money into Iraq (the war is over time to leave) afganistan (unwinnable) or libya.. We spend nearly as much on defense dept as we do on healthcare.. It seems to be a simple choice
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builderman55
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09:33 AM on 04/20/2011
How about THIS for HYPOCRISY? "After his father’s passing, young Paul Ryan started collecting social security benefits until the age of 18 years old. He took this benefit and saved it for his college education. Representative Paul Ryan is one example of the millions of people whose lives have depended on our social contract with the American people. Without this benefit, his mother would have had to make even tougher decisions and Representative Paul Ryan may not have been able to pay for his college education. This social contract lifted him and his entire family out of a tough situation." And now, Ryan wants to cut Social Security...
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AZDave2
Truth is rare...protect it!
11:12 PM on 04/18/2011
Lets be totally clear. Republicans are TOTALLY against the following programs: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps , Unemployment Insurance, aide to children, "Obamacare", Veterans Benefits, The Perkins education loan program, The GI Bill, FIMA, Voter registration to name a few. What is common to all of them? They are programs that help the poor and middle class of America. What are they in favor of? Tax cuts for the Rich, Tax cuts for Corporations, Tax breaks for big oil, Tax cuts for all companies, Tax breaks for companies that take jobs out of the country.
If you look honestly at the Republican charter it is a party that has totally snookered the American voter and uses every tool in the tool box to divide and conquer the American Voter. They do this by placing restrictions on voting (see Kentuckys vote today), race politics, "right to life" politics, and now Tea party politics. If they once again gain control in Washington they will once again spend spend spend (forgive me) like drunken sailors as they have done during the Bush and Reagan Administrations. When they are out of power they PRETEND to be about limited Government and limited spended only until they gain power again. They are the perfect elitist party of the Rich and say the hell with everyone else!
07:19 AM on 04/18/2011
Come on American People.....

With Ronald Regan it was "Voodoo Economics". With George Bush Sr. it was "Trickle Down Economics". With George Jr. it was "Smoke and Mirrors". Only time when things were right with the American People and the Federal Government was when President Clinton raised taxes thus creating 22 million jobs and leaving a huge surplus for George Jr. to squander away. Now we have Paul Ryan and the Republicans going at it again in attempting to pull the wool over our heads once more. They believe that we are either too Numb or too Stupid to see what their game plan is. Are we really that Stupid? When in school, history was my favorite study. I studied "The Fall Of The Roman Empire". I came to the conclusion as to why the "Roman Empire" fell. It is Because The Republicans Were In Charge.
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Clayton139
GOP-R's Are 4Rich, Corporations NOT People!
02:20 AM on 04/18/2011
Copy and Paste in address bar?!

Tuesday April 12, 2011
Daily Show: Ryan's Private Savings - Path to Prosperity
Paul Ryan makes a video to explain his debt reduction plan with a production value that makes the Democrats look bad.
http://www­.thedailys­how.com/wa­tch/tue-ap­ril-12-201­1/ryan-s-p­rivate-sav­ings---pat­h-to-prosp­erity

Meet the Press: Gov: Deval Patrick Mass. - Here is a model to follow...!
http://www­.msnbc.msn­.com/id/30­32608/vp/4­2632569#42599124

Tuesday April 12, 2011
Daily Show: Deval Patrick
Deval Patrick explains the success of education and health care reform in Massachusetts.
http://www­.thedailys­how.com/wa­tch/tue-ap­ril-12-201­1/deval-pa­trick
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donnie-cheesehead
01:16 AM on 04/18/2011
So here's what I heard today ... The Republican leadership has
promised the White House they will not stand in the way of increasing
the Debt limit ..... and Paul Ryan says he's heard nothing of it .....

Whats the term our beloved teenagers use these days ...... DISSED ??
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gransview
"Reality is just a collective hunch" L Tomlin
11:04 AM on 04/21/2011
hope that's right.
12:33 AM on 04/18/2011
The idea that we can trust companies to do the right thing by people has proven to be false again and again. The whole notion that privatization is cost efficient and effective is simply not true. Shall we let Goldman-Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Enron, Coopers and Lybrand, BP get into the insurance business. Shall we let all the companies in Iraq and Afghanistan who are just sucking money out of the feredal government with no accountability decide how to run voucher programs for medicare? Shall we let all the companies that do business with our unauditable defense department decides who get care and doesn't?
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Jennifer Mead
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05:16 PM on 04/18/2011
fanned
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billcostley
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12:11 AM on 04/18/2011
As usual, what people have once head is incompatible with what they are not now hearing. Ryan needs to mess'up.
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Onlygodknowswhy
and you are not god
11:23 PM on 04/17/2011
And they will keep pushing till they get it.
A new normal
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429freckles
Ex Republican Now Devoted Democrat
10:40 PM on 04/17/2011
There is absolutely NO way I will support a voucher progrm for seniors. Insurance companies do NOT want to insure them -- they are sickly. They was the whole reason that Medicare was started. To do what the private insurance companies wouldn't. There is no reason they will want to start now. Seniors are costly. To say that because you are 64 in 2022 when the plan stops medicare is to say hey, you were born a year late so SCREW you. Not right. Not morally right at all.
Change benefits if you have to -- increase copays. Stop the drug program. It was too expensive in the first place.
But throwing all future seniors under the bus is heartless.
I hope everyone is listening to what is going on. I am.
In 2010, the Republicans ran on the idea that Democrats took 500b out of medicare supplementals to go into the HCR.
NOW, the Republicans want to abandon the entire Medicare program.
They are sick sick people.
07:13 AM on 04/18/2011
Morality and having a heart do not have any place in GOP politics. They are the truly "sick" people.