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Trading Down: Taking A Pay Cut After A Layoff -- HuffPost Readers' Stories

First Posted: 04/21/11 10:06 AM ET   Updated: 06/21/11 06:12 AM ET

On Tuesday, The Huffington Post published a story documenting a disturbing post-recession trend: for many unemployed workers, finding a new job can mean a significant step down the professional ladder. For those lucky enough to find new work -- any work -- their old careers and lives often remain out of reach.

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More than 8.84 million private sector jobs were lost during the downturn. Despite steady job creation this year, there are still more than four unemployed workers for every job opening. The job recovery has also been cruelly uneven. A full 40 percent of the jobs lost during the downturn came from high-wage industries -- yet high-wage industries accounted for only 14 percent of the new positions created in the first year of the recovery, according to a report released in February by the National Employment Law Project.

We asked HuffPost readers to answer basic questions: have you had to take a lower-paying job because of the financial crisis? Have you had to switch industries, accept a big change in quality of life, relocate or cut back?

The response was overwhelming. More than a year into the recovery, our readers' responses offer a sharp counterweight to newspaper headlines proclaiming the labor market recovery is "gaining traction."

One response described a reader's path from making $90,000 a year as an executive for an entertainment company to making minimum wage at a sewing store. After several months, she received a job offer as the office manager for a one-person law firm, making $50,000 a year. "Ironically, this was nearly the same job I had when I was putting myself through college to earn my bachelor's degree. So, I've come round circle career-wise," she wrote.

Many readers described the shock they felt when the industry they spent their life working in was decimated and the uncertainty they felt when trying to start over in an unfamiliar field.

"Started out as tech writer, industry disappeared, went through 2nd grad program to become licensed counselor, jobs required to become licensed have disappeared, have been walking dogs," reader elljayo wrote, tracking a downgrade from $80,000 a year, to $10,000. "Can't afford to pay off loans...Surviving-but that's all."

Echoed through many replies is the feeling of loss -- not just of a decent paycheck -- but of the sense of security, purpose and direction that a career provides.

"[I]t is hard at the age of 45, after more than a dozen years of success, to feel like you are starting at the bottom again," wrote reader RBB05, who was making $150,00 as a radio manager but is now making half that at his new position. "At least back then, it was just me. Now it is my wife and 12-year-old daughter going along for the ride. When I do go to work in the morning there are days when I wake up invigorated and glad to be doing anything. Then there are days when I pray for a call, any call, that lifts me anywhere close to the world I used to be in."

Disturbingly, many HuffPost readers said they were barely hanging on and struggling to make ends meet.

"Depending on where they started on the economic ladder," said Carl van Horn, a labor economist at Rutgers University who studies the effects of long-term unemployment and trading down in the workplace, "that downward mobility can be somewhere from inconvenient to actually pushing them into poverty."

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After 30 years of increasingly responsible corporate executive positions, I was laid-off from a VP position with a company that was going through a planned bankruptcy in early 2008. My annual salary there was about $172K. Having 3 kids in high school or college to support and my wife's salary as a Social Worker of about $32K, I had to get some income coming in beyond the unemployment compensation. It became quickly apparent that no one was hiring in my field and I decided to start a business with my family. Business has been OK thanks to some early publicity, but it has produced only a small but steady profit. I also did some substitute teaching to supplement the business income. When the unemployment compensation ran out, I found a part-time job with a company that does demos and sampling at the local Sam's Club for $12.03 an hour. It was little embarrassing at first to be seen by neighbors and friends in my uniform at the store, but they all understood I was doing it for my family. Last year, I was recommended for a consulting assignment that lasted for about 7 months and that provided some real income for the first time in over 2 years, but that project is pretty much done now. I am still hoping for a return to what I used to consider normal, but I'm afraid my days of supervising dozens of people and handling multi-million dollar budgets are probably over. I will just be happy to find something steady that pays enough to cover my bills and maybe put save a little for retirement. Fortunately, before all this happened, I had saved a nice amount for retirement, but I have had to dig into that several times to pay bills and for college tuition.
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01:45 PM on 04/27/2011
Got laid off from a telecom. company in fall of 2009, even though the regional company was being sold to someone else. No explanation of why or help with staying with the company during its sell-off. Took me 10 months to find another job at less than 1/2 my previous salary ($100K+). Kid in college, house, etc. Thankfully my husband is employed but we need two incomes to live. Job I'm doing is nowhere near my education or experience background and I completely dread going to work every day. In fact, I spend some days in tears and trying to collect myself.......trying to figure out - what the heck happened and what the heck am I doing here (at the place I now work). Grateful to have a job.........but, I don't know............is this really better? Apply for new jobs daily........so far nothing else...............worked my whole life for success and it was instantly and heartlessly taken away. Well, so much for the American Dream.
09:25 PM on 04/26/2011
I lost my job last year and know that when I get a new job it will pay less than what I was making. It is bad enough there are few jobs out there but the biggest insult is that prices continue to go up but even when I worked there were no raises for the last 2 years. How can people live like this. Luckily I have cut back astronomically and that affords me to survive but what a slap to the face of hardworking americans. We are working ourselves to death over inflation and debt caused by ourselves and corporate America. Where are the stable plant jobs in the steel industry, manufacturing, factories etc. My god is the American dream dead?
12:43 PM on 04/26/2011
Prices are on the rise. Unemployment remains at all-time highs. The Tea Partyers who were voted in by people who don't know how to vote in their own self-interest are trying to gut every safety net program they can get their hands on while they give the rich (individuals and corporations) even greater tax breaks than they already have.

I am a person who was over 50 when I lost a job that I had held for almost 18 years and who has been doing freelance and short term contract jobs ever since at a drastically reduced income level. If we want to raise the age that one can collect Social Security while private industry is under no real need to hire the over 50 (45?) worker no one will be safe heading into retirement. We are headed into a great chasm if something isn't done to close this age gap.
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aspertame2
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10:13 AM on 04/26/2011
For those who can weather the current slump, I have to believe things will get better. Irrational optimism? I thought it was irrational optimism 7-8 years ago when no one believed that home prices could ever go anywhere but up. Irrational pessimism also exists as a phenomenon; whatever is currently trending tends to be what we expect will always be.

Not that "eventually" helps much for those currently teetering on the brink.
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03:45 PM on 04/24/2011
http://www.counterpunch.org/nader04222011.html
Ralph Nader: Stripmining American Jobs

"It is time to apply the standard of patriotism to the U.S. multinational corporations and demand that they pledge allegiance to the United States and "the Republic for which is stands…. with liberty and justice for all." This July 4, 2011 would be good day for Americans to demand such a corporate commitment.

Born and chartered in the U.S.A., these corporations rose to their giant size on the backs of American workers and vast taxpayer-subsidized research and development handouts. When they got into trouble, whether through mismanagement or corruption, these companies rushed to Washington, D.C. for bailouts from American taxpayers. When some were challenged in foreign lands, the U.S. marines came to their rescue, as depicted decades ago by two-time Congressional Medal of Honor winner, Marine General Smedley Butler.

So what is their message to America and its workers now? It is not gratitude or loyalty. It is "we're outta here, with your jobs and industries" to dictatorial or oligarchic regimes abroad, such as China, that know how to keep their impoverished, and abused workers under control.

Note that these company bosses have no compunction replacing U.S. workers with serf-labor, but they never replace themselves with bi-lingual executives from China, India and elsewhere..."
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Never Surrender...
01:21 PM on 04/25/2011
Got to be THE BEST post here so far--FANNED AND FAVED!
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01:26 PM on 04/25/2011
Thanks, and F&F.

Sometimes I wonder what shape the U.S. would be in if Nader had won in 2008.
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NJProgressiveIndie
Never Surrender...
11:12 AM on 04/24/2011
Yianni Times have changed, we live in a new reality, all excesses should be on the table to fix this county's fiscal mess.

We have soldiers dodging bullet every day who are separated from their families, come home with broken bodies, minds, marriages, lost homes, some no jobs, and have to fight for everything they get and they don't nearly feel as entitled as others in our society. Strike and recall isn't part of their mo.

Everything America has overspent on should be on the table. This mess isn't going back to "normal" anytime soon.

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Just out of curiosity, do you think military spending, the Bush Tax Cuts for the rich and super-rich, and oil company subsidies, and outsourcing along with all the other Big Club perks, should be put on the table as well?
01:12 PM on 04/25/2011
Yes, yes and yes.
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01:24 PM on 04/25/2011
Good for you! ;-)
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behavingbadly
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09:20 AM on 04/24/2011
Welcome to the new and improved GOP Elm Street version of the American Dream.
01:50 PM on 04/23/2011
There are just too many people trying to get too few jobs.

BOTH LEGAL and illegal immigration need to be reduced.

Why add more people to the problem when we can not take care of the people that are already here. All we are doing is driving down the wages.
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behavingbadly
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09:23 AM on 04/24/2011
The labor market is now international. Stopping immigration at home will do nothing to change that.
04:39 PM on 04/25/2011
@behavingbadly is right. Immigration is not the reason our jobs are gone. The shift over 50 years from an economy that valued our sweat to an economy that valued only the movement of money caused stagnation of wages across the board, and then when the money stopped moving around, the government bailed out large corporations that did not return the money into the American economy - they hoarded it in foreign accounts or dumped it into foreign accounts. Corporate entities took money from American workers and taxpayers and committed fiscal treason. It's unconscionable.
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10:46 AM on 04/23/2011
Unless HP has jobs for these people, this is just one big pity party. Let's hope the "right" people read these comments and find it in their hearts to try and employ as many of them as they can............hmmmmmmm, wishful thinking.
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spinotter11
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01:06 PM on 04/23/2011
It helps people to share their stories, and also to see that there are many others out there who are experiencing the same bad times. And who knows, maybe it's helping to spread the consciousness of what's happening to us and giving people some ideas of how to counteract the tendencies that are dragging us all down.
06:14 PM on 06/08/2011
Pity party???Are you kidding? This is a public forum. Public forums are what got our own revolution going. It's called democracy. Notice you have a clown as an icon...figures.
11:59 PM on 04/22/2011
Times, and the economy, have changes since our parents days.. unless you are a protected govt employee. As business moves and evolves you change jobs, see reduced pay and work your way up.
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EdwardTx
09:50 AM on 04/23/2011
Government employees are far from "protected" these days. Can you say Wisconsin? Dishonest political leaders and partisans are fomenting resentment between public and private workers so that we will not pay attention to the structural problems in our economy. And quite a few people are falling for it.
04:40 PM on 04/25/2011
Work your way up? That hasn't happened for me in 13 years in my profession. I've hopped from contract to contract to parlay better pay, but have never found a home where I could move up any ladders. That's just not part of my reality.
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walkerhds
11:22 PM on 04/22/2011
While I can understand the hit to the ego that going from $90k or $150k down to half that does, that isn't necessarily starvation wages. The system is completely fragged due to short-sightedness on both sides of the aisle, and a complete disconnect from reality by those who are making policy and voting on it. We are heading back to the Guilded Age and that isn't a good thing. (and as another poster mentioned, folks posting here still have access to the internet, so we may be a bit skewed in perception because we still "have".
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spinotter11
Spinning through life and trying to understand it.
07:45 AM on 04/23/2011
Gilded - the Guilded Age would be a lot further back - Meistersinger of Nürnberg!
12:05 PM on 05/18/2011
both had serfs (or the equivalent) making up the vast majority of the population :D
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Arts4u
It's better than a reality show.
08:09 PM on 04/22/2011
The greedfest has been pushed far enough. Wages have remained stagnant for far too long. There is no reason for there to be absolutely no increase in wages for a certain type of job over the last thirty years. The needs have changed, the educational requirements have changed - it's time for payscales to reflect that.

If you wonder why Americans resent the poor pay - it's because they have followed the rules and have gotten burned in the end - no one should have to come out of college with $70k in student loan debt and only be able to find a part-time job at Starbucks. No one should have to intern for free for two years in a major city in order to pry one's foot in the door.

And no mid-career professional should ever have to give up their career unless they desire to. The middle class in particular, has been doing the dual income thing for the last ten years - what's next, three jobs?
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jamenta
There are other human values besides greed.
08:35 PM on 04/22/2011
What's next? Read Arianna's book: "Third World Nation". Good book but depressing.
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jamenta
There are other human values besides greed.
08:38 PM on 04/22/2011
Doh! That should be "Third World America" Sigh. Sorry for the slip.
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jamenta
There are other human values besides greed.
08:48 PM on 04/22/2011
What's next? What Arianna wrote about in her book" Third World America"
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moutonnoir
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05:08 PM on 04/22/2011
if those greedy democrats were not busy making us pay 16 year old clerks the same as 30 year old clerks, maybe the punishment of wealth would not be hindering the republicans honest attempts to lift us from our moral morass!
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jamenta
There are other human values besides greed.
08:36 PM on 04/22/2011
It must be hard to be so wealthy and asked to also sacrifice for the betterment of your country. I feel for the ridiculously rich. Feel their pain.
absolument
Debate the policy. But first, LEARN the science.
09:37 PM on 04/22/2011
I prefer to inflict it.
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spinotter11
Spinning through life and trying to understand it.
08:42 PM on 04/22/2011
The Republicans lift us from our moral morass? You must be deluded, seriously. The Republicans, those on top at least, are greedy swine stealing everything that isn't nailed down in our country. Is that the morality you would like to see take over the country completely?
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jamenta
There are other human values besides greed.
08:48 PM on 04/22/2011
I'm pretty sure he was being facetious.
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10:22 PM on 04/22/2011
I'm confused.Wasn't Bush a Republican?. If that is moutonnoir's idea of "lifting us from the moral morass" I'm a Billion dollar a year CEO.
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PtaRay
Admitted liberal, defender of the fringe democracy
04:43 PM on 04/22/2011
What you are seeing is the corporate world infiltrating our democracy with corporate ideology.
Democracy has no place in the world of profit margins and streamlined product creation.

We as the regular folks of America are in fact a "liability" to the current corporate GOP leadership. As we demand reasonable wages.
The myth that most Americans are wealthy is the GOP lie.

Most Americans are in fact barely making it, and that can be anyone making from $100,000 a year to some making as little as $10,000 a year depending on your state locction and local tax base. These are after adjustments, imagine how tough it is to live if that is before taxes.

The wealthy are in fact a tiny minority of the folks in this nation, but they have the majority of clout and voice in the lobbyist universe.
The hate for the public union is the creation of the GOP and has nothing to do with the actual deficit, unions are 13% of the work force and the real lack of revenue going back to the tax paters is based on LACK of revenue back into the system from the big money interests.
They just keeo skimming off the meager free capital we have saved up and hidden for that rainy day, they are making that rainy day come now.
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Lifer2006
04:05 PM on 04/22/2011
But remember...I feel your pain"...says Obama.

This is so grotesque a politician, to have the nerve to say that. Spending 3 Billion a week in Afghanistan for no reason. Giving tax breaks to the super wealthy who helped him during his campaign. Bailing out the bankers.etc etc. Cutting important social programs for the poor. And then grotesquely comes out with this hogwash.

But he feels your pain. Martin Luther King would be so ashamed (were he alive) to have had him as his disciple.
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Thisboy
10:25 PM on 04/22/2011
Actually that was Clinton.
11:21 PM on 04/22/2011
Bailing out the bankers? That was Bush, my friend. Cutting social programs for the poor? Like Clinton's welfare reform?
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Lifer2006
12:24 AM on 04/26/2011
Sorry, but Obama is also a big part of that culture too. For what reason then, did he hold on to useless economists like Larry summers, Tim Geithner, and Hank Paulson (All Goldman Sachs alumni). He is part of their culture. He just doesn't seem to fit the bill when he is talking passionately for the "people" in his incredible, powerful speeches. Unfortunatelty he is a brilliant politician; what I would call, a hack.