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Paul Ryan's Claim That Budget Will Make Medicare More Like Federal Health Plan Disputed


First Posted: 04/21/11 05:34 PM ET Updated: 06/21/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- One of the Republican Party’s top selling points on the budget proposed by Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan is that it will change Medicare for the better. Under Budget Committee Chairman Ryan's plan, older Americans would have access to a health care system similar to the much-heralded one offered to members of Congress and federal employees, say GOP leaders.

Opponents, however, are pushing back on this rhetoric, arguing that it’s a ruse.

One of the key deficit-reduction components of Ryan’s “Path to Prosperity” is a transformed Medicare program. Instead of being automatically enrolled in the current government-run program, senior citizens would receive a lump sum of money to spend on a choice of private insurance plans that are regulated by the federal government. Sicker Americans would receive more money, while the wealthy would receive less.

“Starting in 2022, new Medicare beneficiaries will be enrolled in the same kind of health-care program that members of Congress enjoy,” Ryan wrote, referring to the Federal Employee Health Benefit Plan (FEHBP) in a Wall Street Journal op-ed on April 5.

“Future Medicare recipients will be able to choose a plan that works best for them from a list of guaranteed coverage options," he said. "This is not a voucher program but rather a premium-support model.”

Ryan most recently reiterated this argument to his constituents back in the Badger State, during a town hall meeting on Monday. “Let’s reform [Medicare] by giving people more choices, by giving them a system like members of Congress and federal employees have,” the congressman said.

It’s not just Ryan making this comparison.

Rep. John Fleming (R-La.) claimed that the plan “gives Medicare recipients the same sort of program that we in Congress have."

Speaking with the host of everydayRADIO on Blog Talk Radio on April 6, Fleming described how members of Congress pick an insurance plan. "We go to a website or a book and we look at hundreds of plans and then we choose the one that we want," he said. "We let them all compete with one another -- and in this case it would be Medicare -- and you just decide where your Medicare premium goes.”

Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.) has also echoed Ryan's claim. “We will save and preserve Medicare for future generations by providing commonsense solutions so that folks have essentially the same kinds of health care choices that Members of Congress have,” he said on April 14 in a House floor speech.

But Princeton University Economics Professor Uwe Reinhardt disagrees. “One possibility is, these people are just ignorant," he told The Huffington Post in an interview. "Or they're deliberately misleading people.”

In a recent blog post for the New York Times, Reinhardt explained that there's a "huge difference in one important aspect" between FEHBP and the Ryan plan.

FEHBP operates on what is known as a "Fair Share" formula. That maintains a "consistent level of Government contributions, as a percentage of total program costs, regardless of which health plan enrollees elect," according to the federal Office of Personnel Management.

As Reinhardt wrote, enrollees' annual contributions to premiums "rise in step with the average premiums charged by the private insurers. These premiums have been rising over time more or less in step with the overall increase in per-capita health spending in this country."

Under Ryan’s plan, however, "the federal contribution toward the purchase of private health insurance by future Medicare beneficiaries would be indexed only to the Consumer Price Index," he said. The CPI generally grows at a slower rate than medical costs, meaning that individuals would have to personally contribute a larger share.

Reihardt's analysis is supported by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. According to a study it conducted of Ryan's budget, the GOP plan would result in most elderly Americans spending "more for their health care than they would pay under the current Medicare system."

Democrats are now disputing the GOP comparison between Ryan's plan and the federal workers’ system.

"One of the talking points we've heard from our colleagues is, 'don't worry, seniors, we're just giving you the same health care deal members of Congress have,'" said Maryland's Chris Van Hollen, the ranking Democratic member of the House Budget Committee, in a House floor speech on April 14.

“That's not true," he said. "What members of Congress have is what's called a 'Fair Share' deal agreement … where the risk of rising premiums is shared. So for every dollar increase in premiums, the Federal Government puts in 72 cents, thereabouts, and the Member of Congress or the Federal employee puts in the rest."

"But the point is, no matter how fast the costs go up, you share that risk equally. That's not what happens in the Republican plan,” said Van Hollen.

Maria Freese, policy director at the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare, also told The Huffington Post that Medicare and the FEHBP serve different populations.

Federal employees are a more desirable pool to insure. They "tend to be wealthier than seniors. Because they’re still working, they tend to be healthier, they tend to be younger -- so insurance companies want to cover them, and they do actually fight to compete in order to be able to be part of the federal health plan,“ she said.

Seniors pose more problems for insurers. "They have much lower average incomes [and] they are older, so they tend to have more health care claims and for the most part they tend not to be as healthy," Freese said. As a result, "insurance companies have not been particularly interested in covering seniors.”

Before adjourning for its two-week recess, the House voted 235-193 to approve Ryan’s budget plan. Every single Democrat present voted “no,” as well as four Republicans.

In the Senate, a bipartisan group of six senators is coming up with an alternative budget compromise for 2012.

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WASHINGTON -- One of the Republican Party’s top selling points on the budget proposed by Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan is that it will change Medicare for the better. Under Budget Committee Chairman Ryan...
WASHINGTON -- One of the Republican Party’s top selling points on the budget proposed by Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan is that it will change Medicare for the better. Under Budget Committee Chairman Ryan...
 
 
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03:01 PM on 04/23/2011
Ryan's plan increases the deficit some $6 trillion over the next decade. Obama's plan increases the budget over $7 trillion over the next decade. The People's Plan eliminates the deficit in 10 years. Why is anyone discussing the first two idiotic plans?
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07:17 PM on 04/22/2011
While I'm very happy that Dems are pushing back on this moronic voucher system for Medicare, I'd like to see them do a lot more pushing back on GOP claims that Social Security and Medicare are the biggest portion of the Federal budget. How many times have you heard that said? Why aren't Dems correcting this ridiculous talking point?

They need to point out that while approximately 34% of the federal budget goes to "Social security, Medicare, and other retirement," 25% of the federal government's income comes from "Social security, Medicare and unemployment and other retirement taxes." So the difference that isn't paid for by those same taxes is 9%. Stop letting them claim it's the biggest part of government spending (which is actually defense spending by far, as we all know)!

And those figures come from the IRS itself. See for yourself on page 85 of the Instructions for 2010 Form 1040A:

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040a.pdf
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steve-annie
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07:22 PM on 04/22/2011
And P.S., those same pie charts show that personal income taxes make up 26% of the government's income, while corporate taxes make up 4%! I remember when the figure for corporate taxes was 11% and that ticked me off. Now it's down to 4%.
03:06 PM on 04/22/2011
Look people, Medicare is going bankrupt and this is accentuated by the retirement of baby boomers and the decreasing number of Americans paying federal taxes into the system. If we just ignore this problem, or continue to kid ourselves that somehow we can tax the rich more to pay for this problem along with SS and Medicaid, and now, Obamacare, we are in gross denial or on crack. At least Paul Ryan has put some rational ideas on the table that could help turn around this financial disaster. Our President and his team have not offered anything other then to raise the taxes of the rich, which is pathetic. So, stop the personal attacks on the only person in congress that has actually spent considerable time working the problem and trying to keep this country from going bankrupt.
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Staceyjo
04:00 PM on 04/22/2011
Uh, no it's not. http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TRSUM/index.html
03:03 PM on 04/23/2011
Defending either Ryan's plan or Obama's plan seems to be an idiot's exercise in futility for you. So, why not support the People's Plan that eliminates the deficit in 10 years? You're embarrassing yourself with your ignorance.
01:48 PM on 04/22/2011
This came from the Politifact website (which noted it as a comment from a reader in response their fact check on the claim Medicare after Ryan's reform was still Medicare):

-- "If Congress voted to replace the Army with a voucher system for private mercenaries, it would be safe to say it was a vote to end the Army, no matter what you named the resulting force."

This was obviously a sarcastic comment and I doubt anyone would think it could work, but to take it seriously for a moment... Conceptually the mercenaries would then spend the voucher money (and throw in some of their own) to equip themselves. In the short run it could look like we were saving money. I'm sure we'd eventually find out that we had an ineffective and ill-equipped fighting force.

Does anyone truly think that the new Ryan Medicare beneficiaries would fair much better? I think we'd end up with an ineffective health care system and many more ill (or dead) seniors.
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01:37 PM on 04/22/2011
I am getting tired of hearing how fricking wonderful this country is. Most economic powers on this planet have national health care for all. And their leaders don't pass laws that say Americans have to pay sticker price for our drugs. Members of congress [most especially ryan] should be brought up on treason charges, and for selling their office
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Staceyjo
04:01 PM on 04/22/2011
F&F!
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Reiner-von-Sinn
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01:35 PM on 04/22/2011
Dear Representative Ryan

Massey Energy CEO Dan Blankenship retired yesterday.

Last year 29 of his workers died in one of his mines

29 families lost a brother, a father, a son.

CEO Blankenship skipped away with $14.4 million, including severance, a 2010 bonus payment, a secretary and office space for up to five years in retirement, two years of paid health-care benefits, a two-year consulting contract, a free house, reimbursement for $257,111 taxes on the free house. Plus a $7 million pension and another whopping $32.1 million in deferred-compensation.

I'm sure that poor Mr Blankenship needs another tax cut.

Can you give him one please?
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MiddleMolly
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01:43 PM on 04/22/2011
And what did the families of these miners who lost their lives get?

Though not as extreme, this is all too common. Companies have been cutting their U.S. work forces, laying off people for no good reason (other than the worker might be too old), finding ways to cut salaries and benefits.. Then the CEO gets canned or retires and cashes in his chips.. to the tune of millions.

I saw it recently in the company that a good friend worked for. I don't know how many older people were laid off while young kids were hired (after a decade of cutting wages and benefits) and now, this year, the CEO is hauling his bundles of cash out of the executive suite as he prepares for the good life in retirement.
02:06 PM on 04/22/2011
Road map Ryan has a road map to the poor house for the American worker an there parent the seniors.
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JTNealinDC
07:59 PM on 04/23/2011
Mr. Blankenship's shareholders made those payments to him - you nor the government did so. What power or moral authority do you claim to possess that gives you the right to confiscate more of that money than the government rightfully should take to accomplish its constitutional duties - no more.

Or, are he and other rich men your slaves - working so you might eat. Who is your master? Who's food are you required to provide today? > http://wp.me/p1jTK0-5P
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Reiner-von-Sinn
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11:43 PM on 04/23/2011
Settle down Nancy. My post says he needs another tax cut.

... the electorate can through its elected representatives decide how much or how little to tax. That's ninth grade civics. Borrow your kid's text books for a refresher.

... and Blankenship is a hired hand not the founder, not an entrepreneur. ... and based on Massey's safety record in WV he isn't a very good CEO. If a miner screws up how lucrative is his severance package?


Speaking of masters who's your owner? Sound like a corporate shill to me. Shrill and haughty somehow assuming that you own the moral high ground. You don't.
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Reiner-von-Sinn
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12:07 AM on 04/24/2011
Hyperbole much?
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Steve Davis 1
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01:28 PM on 04/22/2011
First turn Nevada into a Galt reserve, then we could send all GOP/Tea'ers to Nevada at age 65. Give then small allowance vouchers for gambling, brothels, and matinees while kicking them out of social security and medicare programs. I think this will solve the deficit problem.
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MiddleMolly
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01:32 PM on 04/22/2011
Hilarious!
f & f
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Reiner-von-Sinn
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01:18 PM on 04/22/2011
Paul - what's your JOBS plan?
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Reiner-von-Sinn
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01:17 PM on 04/22/2011
Paulie dear boy now that disgraced, former Senator John Ensign has resigned following an adulterous-sex-and-hush-money scandal, Senate ethics and criminal investigations, are you gonna cut his pension, perks and benefits from the budget?

Or are we, the taxpayers, gonna hafta pay for this millionaire scoundrel's retirement?

Please let us taxpayers know.

Thanks.
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MiddleMolly
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01:37 PM on 04/22/2011
Good point. We know what the answer is, don't we?
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Reiner-von-Sinn
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01:12 PM on 04/22/2011
Hey Ryan! Cut warfare, not healthcare.
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Chris Wundrow
01:01 PM on 04/22/2011
Ryan and Repubs don't have a bleeping clue! So it's 2022 and I am 65 (I will be, in fact)--who the hell is going to insure ME?! I can tell you right now--abso-bleepin-lutely NOBODY! It was hard enough as a 50-something to find insurance that doesn't have a outrageous deductible and co-insurance that essentially guarantees those bleep-holes will never pay! But a 65-year old? Hell, they won't even look at you!! But what REALLY ticks me off is that Ryan and so many of these Repub windbags live in the pocket of Big Insurance and are doing their bidding. Big Insurance is the only one who stands to make --for lack of a better term--a killing on this privatization scheme. BTW, that 's one big thing I don't like in the least about the Obama law either--we would STILL be at the tender mercies of Big Insurance! Since we, in theory, would have no choice about buying, you better believe they'll charge whatever the market will bear! We need single-payer!!
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01:37 PM on 04/22/2011
Fanned big time!
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MiddleMolly
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01:48 PM on 04/22/2011
I'm also unhappy that we didn't have some kind of single payer program or public option in the health care bill. But the health care bill is aimed at people who are younger. This is absurd.

Who will want to insure oldsters?

Hey, Ryan: Keep Your Hands off of My (Son's) Medicare!

http://mollysmiddleamerica.blogspot.com/2011/04/keep-your-hands-off-of-my-medicare.html
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Carolyn LeBeauf
12:47 PM on 04/22/2011
Ryan, the republicans' BOY WONDER will lie through his teeth, to get his budget sold. I have a truth for him. Ryan's budget will never pass and it will never be accepted by the country.I think he has done exactly what Gov. Walker of WI has done, and that killed his political career.
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MiddleMolly
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01:36 PM on 04/22/2011
Boy, I hope so!
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ebanks84
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12:43 PM on 04/22/2011
They lie to themselves even. No hope for these people at all. Anyone who is stupid enough to listen to anything they have to say deserves whatever they get in return. That's all I've got to say!
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julbar
11:23 AM on 04/22/2011
Personally. the sight of Paul Ryan makes my skin crawl. It used to be Boehner but he has proved benign and generally ineffective.

For those who actually regard all the facts, Ryan has replaced Palin as the most disingenuous and disliked of the GOP.
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12:43 PM on 04/22/2011
I must agree!
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mdcolli
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11:15 AM on 04/22/2011
Oh good grief....The right are bringing back the Huckabee commercial against the health care bill....I am so sick of the Republicans garbage.
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12:37 PM on 04/22/2011
They have been running that stupid commercial non-stop. It has to be really expensive. What a waste of good money! I typically watched recorded programs, so I FF right through the blather. To sum it up, waa waa waa, call the Senate, they won't pass our bill!