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Conservative Strategists Warn GOP About Economic Risks Of Pushing Debt Ceiling Debate Too Far

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First Posted: 04/22/11 08:25 PM ET Updated: 06/22/11 06:12 AM ET

Conservative strategists are warning that the GOP should not push the debt ceiling debate too close to the breaking point.

“If there is a vote on raising the debt ceiling and it fails, there will be a significant market reaction,” said Tony Fratto, a former Treasury and White House official in the Bush administration. “Investors already believe that Congress doesn’t understand the financial markets. A failure to raise the debt ceiling will confirm this to them."

If the markets get spooked, U.S. treasury bond yields will spike, driving up interest rates and increasing the price of borrowing money for everyone from the federal government to municipalities to consumers, Fratto warned. The cascading effects on the economy would be severe and long-lasting.

The negative market reaction would "come quickly,” Fratto said. “I think you can virtually guarantee that, and I hear it from everyone that I talk to in the markets, here and abroad.” He added, “I’m uncomfortable about the number of [Congress] members who don’t seem to understand that.”

But the market’s reaction to any debt vote will depend on what expectations are set by political actors in Washington, cautions Doug Holtz-Eakin, a former top adviser to Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) 2008 presidential campaign.

“If there was an up or down vote on the debt limit with nothing attached to it, that [investors] knew was not going to pass, I don’t think it would cause any trouble at all,” Holtz-Eakin said. “But if we get to July and it’s a deal that is perceived to be the deal and it fails -- yeah, I think they’ll freak.”

“Both sides are going to spend a lot of time setting expectations” for the markets and the voters, he said.

For Democratic leaders, the narrative is relatively straightforward: The ceiling should be raised promptly, and some limited spending cuts would be appropriate.

Republican leaders face a more delicate balancing act. They must get enough of their Congress members to vote for the debt ceiling increase at a time when most of their voters –- and especially those in the Tea Party -– oppose such a move.

"The one thing we want more than anything else out of the debate over the debt ceiling: No increase in the debt ceiling," said Mark Meckler, co-founder of the Tea Party Patriots.

Rep. Tim Griffin, a freshman Republican from Arkansas’s Second District, told The Huffington Post that the feedback he has heard this week from voters back home has been “mostly just opposition to raising” the debt ceiling.

Rep. Dennis Ross, another freshman Republican from Florida's Twelfth District, responded to a question from The Huffington Post on Twitter about what he was hearing from constituents: "Universally, across parties and socio-economic levels, hearing 'do not raise it.'"

All of this is supported by a poll from the Tea Party group FreedomWorks, which found that 69 percent of all voters oppose raising the debt ceiling.

While there is disagreement between Democrats and Republicans over when a default would occur if the government hit the debt ceiling, there is broad bipartisan agreement that such a scenario is undesirable and would likely have dire consequences for the economy and the nation.

So the task for House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) will be to extract significant concessions from President Obama and Democrats in Congress that will not be rejected as a fig leaf by Tea Party activists. Judging from the Tea Party’s scathing reaction to the deal struck in the most recent fight over this year’s budget, that will be a difficult task.

There are three main components to any potential deal that Boehner and McConnell must address.

One is what kind of structural changes to spending can be enacted, such as spending caps for each year's budget. A second is how deeply spending will be cut in the budget for fiscal year 2012, which starts in October. And the third is how high the debt ceiling will be increased from its current $14.3 trillion level, and whether that will last beyond the 2012 election or not.

They must also deal with what are essentially two different Congressional Republican camps.

Many GOP lawmakers are in the conventional wisdom crowd, which says that the debt ceiling has to be raised no matter what. This subset wants to avoid scaring the markets, but they also think the united GOP bloc has substantial leverage and can extract significant spending cut concessions from Democrats.

The second Republican camp is the more hard line conservative group, which appears willing to press their case to the political and economic limit. They will not vote for a debt ceiling increase unless they receive significant concessions.

This hard-line group is led by Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.). In his view, the only achievement worth the price of raising the debt ceiling is an amendment to the Constitution that would require the federal government to balance its budget every year. His constitutional amendment is supported by all 47 Republican senators and in a test vote in March. Eleven Democrats also gave DeMint's amendment their backing.

That's still far short of the the two-thirds majority needed in both the Senate and the House for a constitutional amendment. (Three fourths of the nation’s 50 state legislatures must also approve.)

But DeMint appears ready to go to the mat on this issue. He has promised to filibuster the debt ceiling increase, if the constitutional amendment is not included.

Anything less, DeMint sees as capitulation and failure.

“It’s balance or bust,” the Tea Party firebrand wrote in a fundraising email earlier this month. “Agreeing on the right policy is not enough to save our country. Republicans also have to be willing to fight to enact that policy, even if it means sacrificing their political careers,” he said.

Certainly some portion of the GOP will line up behind DeMint. Yet even the most conservative group in the House, the Republican Study Committee, has not yet coalesced around what they want out of the debt ceiling fight.

Republicans from both camps interviewed by HuffPost gave the balanced budget amendment virtually no chance of passing with a Democratic-controlled Senate and a Democratic president.

Conservative congressional analysts agree.

“It is going to be very difficult to get a two-thirds vote to pass a balanced budget amendment with so many big spending liberals in the Senate,” said Brian Darling, a senior fellow for government studies at the conservative Heritage Foundation. “The [amendment] has a good chance of passing in 2012 with a new Tea Party congress.”

To give themselves some breathing room, Republicans are inoculating themselves against falling into a situation similar to 2008, when many in the GOP feel they were bum rushed into passing the TARP bailout by dire warnings from the Bush administration.

The GOP vaccine is one half psychological and one half process-oriented. They argue that hitting the debt ceiling does not equal automatic default, because the Treasury Department can move money around and prioritize payments to ensure creditors continue to get paid for a time.

So when Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner’s May 16 deadline arrives and the $14.294 trillion red line is reached, don’t expect the GOP to appear too worried.

But the wild card in the debt ceiling fight is how the global credit markets will respond to what Congress does, and at what point there might be a negative reaction. If there is a chaotic spiral set off by a failed balanced budget amendment vote or some other development along the way, all bets might be off.

Or, conversely, there is a chance that the axiom "what’s good for Wall Street is good for Main Street" will fall on deaf ears, and then be put to the test.

This article originally stated incorrectly that two thirds of state legislatures are required to ratify an amendment to the Constitution. That has been corrected.

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01:28 PM on 05/04/2011
This issue will open the fracture of the Tea Party.
08:02 AM on 04/26/2011
When is enough, enough? The numbers are staggering. Draw the line right here, right now. "full faith and credit...." Stop it! I have no faith in the government, and they have no credit, either side. Both sides are part of the scam.
12:18 PM on 04/25/2011
Calling people teabaggers will never change their opinion. In my experience being wellspoken and right won't usually change anyone's on the spot, but I've heard my own arguments being made by people who had formerly disagreed. Make your point with reason and you may have a shot with the reasonable - the rest don't matter anyway. I've settled this issue in a couple of spots on this site, so relax and go back to your beverage steeped potables enthusiasts - you'll get it later. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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04:10 AM on 04/25/2011
Here is a link to an excellent budget offer created by the Progressive Caucus. It is a better budget than Ryans or President Obamas ans everyone should write or call their congressman and senator.

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70

The CPC proposal:

• Eliminates the deficits and creates a surplus by 2021
• Puts America back to work with a “Make it in America” jobs program
• Protects the social safety net
• Ends the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq
• Is FAIR (Fixing America’s Inequality Responsibly)

What the proposal accomplishes:

• Primary budget balance by 2014.
• Budget surplus by 2021.
• Reduces public debt as a share of GDP to 64.1% by 2021, down 16.5 percentage points from
a baseline fully adjusted for both the doc fix and the AMT patch.
• Reduces deficits by $5.6 trillion over 2012-21, relative to this adjusted baseline.
• Outlays equal to 22.2% of GDP and revenue equal 22.3% of GDP by 2021.
02:54 AM on 04/25/2011
I would surmise that the global credit markets and investors world-wide, not to mention currency traders, are ready to start sending unmistakably strong signals and they may not wait for May 16. Watch the shorts on the US dollar and fund transfer flows out of the US. The Bagger-controlled Republicans appear to be setting up for a childish game of chicken using the US currency. A very precarious time Worry.
03:25 AM on 04/25/2011
it is all part of the game
03:36 AM on 04/25/2011
Well, what an honor! A premier trollie visit!
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Onlygodknowswhy
and you are not god
01:56 AM on 04/25/2011
Boy figures dont lie but liars sure can.figure.
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LeCorbousier
12:28 AM on 04/25/2011
wdw808-
Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and
Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general
Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be
uniform throughout the United States;
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This says NOTHING about the president NOT having the power to unilaterally RAISE EXISTING TAXES.
12:45 AM on 04/25/2011
laughing now:

since it is not listed as a power of the president and you don't believe section 8........then i will go with

Amendment 10
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to
the people.

but thanks again for playing..........i gave you the first major mistake without abusing you.........this is number two..........school is indeed out for you as i can't believe you are really this obtuse ........read the constitution next time........it is a pretty short document
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LeCorbousier
12:52 AM on 04/25/2011
Ah...

so you go DIRECTLY to states rights.....how TYPICAL

and you call ME obtuse.

Well if not in FACT then in theory....the voting public is fully in favor of raising taxes on corporations, the WEALTHY, and REMOVING subsidies.

Popular consent.
02:17 PM on 04/28/2011
Lecorbonehead, the constitution says nothing about me not being able to live in the White House either, so when can I move in?? ROFL
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LeCorbousier
11:49 PM on 04/24/2011
wdw808-
the debt ceiling will be used as a weapon to get started on spending cuts
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How IGNORANT.

The Chief Executive has UNILATERAL power to raise taxes.....and since he had the popular consent of the voting public to do so, THIS should blunt any so-called "weapon" conservatives may THINK they have.
11:58 PM on 04/24/2011
well good then he should raise taxes.........so where in the constitution do you think oh bama has "UNILATERAL power to raise taxes".......as no such power exists
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LeCorbousier
12:04 AM on 04/25/2011
Why don't you show me WHERE in the constitution or in ANY OTHER FEDERAL DOCUMENT....

Where he DOES'NT.
12:24 AM on 04/25/2011
so how's that weapon looking now that i proved the Chief Executive does not have "the UNILATERAL power to raise taxes"
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LeCorbousier
12:29 AM on 04/25/2011
Still pretty blunt.
CognitoErgoSum
CogitoErgoSum was taken when I signed up.
10:56 PM on 04/24/2011
"All of this is supported by a poll from the Tea Party group FreedomWorks, which found that 69 percent of all voters oppose raising the debt ceiling."
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One of the ways to lie with stastics is to cherry pick the population you poll. That's why the numbers from a poll sponsored by a Tea Party group have a suspected bias. A poll from a more representative sample would show different results.
03:04 AM on 04/25/2011
That's Dick Armey's group. Probably comes from site's visitors or from some ultra-right "polling group." Ha ha ha ha...LMFAO!
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kfdan
10:13 PM on 04/24/2011
" ... there is a chance that the axiom "what’s good for Wall Street is good for Main Street" will fall on deaf ears, and then be put to the test."
Since when has this been a meaningful axiom? 'Wall Street' enriches itself at the expense of 'Main Street' in our present political climate and Washington politicians ... no matter their party ... look to 'Wall Street' for campaign funding. This is one of the main weaknesses in controlling the financial gluttony that is the mainstay of politics in general. 'Wall Street' and the rating companies that influence government policy are in need of strict government regulatory systems of control. Take the German model as a means to do this and we would see greater investment in US industry and infrastructure ... something we sorely need.
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10:04 PM on 04/24/2011
If they keep blocking it and it turns out to be another "mistake"..wonder how they will make it all President Obama's fault?
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Commensality
09:58 PM on 04/24/2011
Our nation was meant to be a Republic. This means that elected officials represent ALL their constituents, not just the people who voted for them. That means that representatives in a Republic work for the common good based on reason. Debates among representatives with differences in views were meant to lead to compromise. The idea that Republicans would never vote for lifting the debt ceiling because of their extremist base, and notwithstanding the harm not raising the debt ceiling would cause, shows how true George Washington's admonition against factions was. The repub faction has been hijacked by an extreme faction that will hold the nation, nay the whole world economy, hostage to their extremist demands.
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LeCorbousier
10:02 PM on 04/24/2011
Well Done!

F&F
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10:05 PM on 04/24/2011
These people have corrupted the word Republican just like they have the word Christian.
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maserati2
Finally an honest politician! ELIZABETH WARREN!
09:49 AM on 04/25/2011
We need a new label for these people.

Using the word literally, true "conservatives" would never deliberately spoil the world for instant profit but respect and protect our land, water and air for future generations.

True "conservatives" would never condemn the promise of our younger generations to be sacrificed on the altar of Corporate Profit or allow the infrastructure investments of past generations to fall into ruin and simply rot away.

The difference between then and now would seem to be that the New Order has no thought beyond profits to be gained today or commitment to the rest of society except condemnation to a future of poverty and servile labor.

So what word would replace "conservative" in this New World? The only one that comes to my mind would be Neo-Nazi. Other nominations or comments are welcome here.
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wakeupyouall
09:31 PM on 04/24/2011
It isn;t just about markets. It is about currency and tradiing. A crash will be world wide and some of thoses countries own us. The sad thing is that the tea baggers just diddn't study a little harder to be able to understand economic and history. Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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LeCorbousier
09:11 PM on 04/24/2011
ts400-
Do you NOT understand basic Congressio­nal rsponsibil­ites e.g. that ANY and ALL spending initiative­s MUST originate in the House, including taxation legislatio­n?

That IS the law of the land.

How can you NOT know this most basic of facts?
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I LOVE it when brainless nimrods like you, give what they THINK is a LECTURE.

TAXATION is not a SPENDING INITIATIVE....
TAXATION is REVENUE.

Brainless teabaggers like YOU think the House is a WORLD of POWER when you don't even know the difference between "Accounts Payable" and "Accounts Receivable".

Why do you THINK they call it THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH?
10:03 PM on 04/24/2011
Fellow Lefty's here, please take your LeCorb poster here aside very gently and gently enlighten her as to the folly of her ways...

Clearly too blinded by idealogy and pride-

Which are two very dangerous impediments to seeking enhanced knowledge, learning and critical thinking.
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LeCorbousier
10:12 PM on 04/24/2011
Why don't you just bend over and grab your pretty ankles, for the "King Obama" taxation onslaught.
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vesaversa1
Stupid is forever, ignorance can be fixed.
08:02 PM on 04/24/2011
69 percent of all voters oppose raising the debt ceiling."
There is not 69% of voters that is affiliated with the teabagger party in this country.,,LMFAO
09:29 PM on 04/24/2011
agreed
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josie klapper
Who can I piss-off today?
12:01 AM on 06/01/2011
Heck, I don't like the idea of raising the debt ceiling, but I know it has to be done...