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Mormon Men Delaying The Walk Down The Aisle

Mormon Dating

First Posted: 04/22/11 09:50 PM ET Updated: 06/22/11 06:12 AM ET

By Peggy Fletcher Stack
Salt Lake Tribune

SALT LAKE CITY (RNS) John Evans is in no hurry to get married.

The 25-year-old returned LDS missionary lives with his parents, works full time, takes night classes toward an English degree and, with law school looming, is building up his savings.

Evans goes on dates, but they tend to be expensive so he prefers developing friendships first. Sometimes he finds it easier just to hang out with the guys at his Mormon fraternity.

"My dating pace is right for me," Evans says. "I don't feel stressed."

That kind of modern nonchalance is what may be worrying LDS President Thomas S. Monson and other Mormon leaders, who addressed the issue at the church's recent General Conference.

"Brethren, there is a point at which it's time to think seriously about marriage and to seek a companion with whom you want to spend eternity," Monson said at an all-male priesthood meeting.

"If you choose wisely and if you are committed to the success of your marriage, there is nothing in this life which will bring you greater happiness."

Apostle Richard G. Scott spoke even more emphatically the next day.

"If you are a young man of appropriate age and are not married, don't waste time in idle pursuits," Scott urged. "Get on with life and focus on getting married. Don't just coast through this period of life."

Their concern is natural. After all, marriage is a core Mormon teaching and temple marriage is a prerequisite for the highest Mormon heaven.

But LDS leaders may be fighting a cultural shift. Traditional dating is almost a quaint custom on college campuses, where hanging out in groups and casual sex "hook ups" are increasingly common. Students also are worried about their financial stability.

"People in the country are pairing up," says Brigham Young University sociologist Marie Cornwall, who teaches a class in family and social change. "They're just not getting married."

Past church presidents also counseled young Mormon men not to delay marriage, but there is a new urgency.

The median age for a first marriage in the U.S. has climbed to 25.8 for women and 27.4 for men. In heavily Mormon Utah, the median age for first-time brides has jumped from 20 in 1970 to 22 in 2008, and from 22 to 24 for men.

So what's slowing down Mormons?

The picture is complicated, especially in individual cases, social scientists and LDS teachers say, but a clear trend is evident: Today's young Mormons are not nearly as confident in the future, in their economic well-being or in their choices as their parents were.

"I really do plan on finding someone," Evans says, "and getting married."

Just not yet.

Monson placed the blame for Mormon men's marital foot-dragging on financial anxiety, insistence on finding a "soul mate" and having too much fun being single. Yet there is no shame in a couple having to "scrimp and save," Monson assured the young men. "You will grow closer together as you learn to sacrifice," he said.

He told them not to insist on finding the perfect mate, but rather a young woman "with whom you can be compatible." A previous LDS prophet, Spencer W. Kimball, once called the idea of a "soul mate" a "fiction and an illusion."

The issue of finding the perfect match seems especially prevalent on LDS-dominated campuses, said David Dollahite, who teaches marriage and family relations at BYU. It produces a kind of "market mentality," Dollahite said.

"The young men think, 'I am dating a 9.7, but if I wait, maybe I could get a 9.9."'

Financial instability is also real, given the country's economic downturn. And societal attitudes are pressing in around them, said Larry Tippetts, who teaches classes on courtship and marriage at the University of Utah's LDS institute.

"In my generation, when you met someone, you just got married, confident it would work out," Tippetts says. "But 50 years ago it was easier to eke out a living than it is now."

At the same time, he says, fear of a bad choice may be paralyzing young men in their search for a spouse. "These kids are terrified of making a mistake," he said. "They think too much and overanalyze everything."

One problem is pretty stark, Tippetts said. Many young Mormon men, even 21-year-olds who have served missions in foreign lands, have no idea how to set up one-on-one dates -- because they may never have been on one.

For at least two decades, LDS leaders have counseled high-schoolers not to be romantically involved or "go steady," but rather to engage mostly in "group dates."

That has been a boon to lots of Mormon boys who were too shy or awkward to ask out a girl, but it hasn't prepared young men for real dating and courtship.

"It's hard if you've gone only on group dates before your mission, then you come back with the same mind-set. But now they say, 'Go, go, go.' For a lot of guys it's too much," says Richard Spratt, a 21-year-old returned missionary from Bountiful, Utah. "It takes effort to go on an actual date, which discourages a lot of guys."

Facebook and texting were meant to enhance dialogue but may have "crippled" the dating scene, says Robin Walton, a Mormon from Las Vegas.

"They've altered our ability to interact face to face," says Walton, 22 and a University of Utah graduate student. "After we've learned everything about each other on Facebook, what do we talk about on the first date?"

Peggy Fletcher Stack writes for The Salt Lake Tribune.

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DaveNYC
10:55 PM on 06/13/2011
A question to ponder is -- WHY does the Mormon Church encourage its youth to get married as soon as possible? There is the straightforward answer -- to produce as many (Mormon) offspring as possible.

But by the time I had left BYU I had deciced there was another explanation, based on what I had observed happen over and over again. You have to understand that young men go to college for a year and then leave for a Mormon mission at age 19. They return at age 21 and immediately face strong pressure to marriage. On the other side of the marriage you have a girl who is likely in 19 or 20 years old. Both people are relatively naive and have little experience in the "real world." This is especially true at BYU.

Before any of these people actually have the chance to become independent, thinking adults, they have already gotten married, had kids, and established a social network that is predominantly or exclusively Mormon. This makes it especially difficult to leave, no matter what they personally conclude about the church as an adult.
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DaveNYC
10:38 PM on 06/13/2011
"He told them not to insist on finding the perfect mate, but rather a young woman 'with whom you can be compatible.' A previous LDS prophet, Spencer W. Kimball, once called the idea of a 'soul mate' a 'fiction and an illusion.'"

Stories like this remind me of how fortunate I was to escape this religion.
12:37 PM on 06/04/2011
A Family Church? A non-Mormon mother writes about being excluded from the Mormon temple wedding of her convert daughter. Mormon503 Also, women discuss their temple weddings. Mormon507 Excluded from brother's temple wedding. Mormon541

Strange new advertising claiming Mormons are normal. What happened to, "We are a peculiar people?" Mormon629

http://www.exmormon.org/
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DaveNYC
10:40 PM on 06/13/2011
"We are a peculiar people" morphed into "we are another Christian church." I am #57.
12:27 PM on 06/04/2011
Hey Salt Lake City is in a depression.

I think what shocked me the most was the extent of Joseph Smith's polygamy - marrying teenagers, other men's wives, and doing it under the pretext of a divine threat, etc. I was blown away by the church's lack of honesty in portraying its history. As I learned the truth about the Book of Abraham, the facts about Native American DNA, Freemasonry and the endowment, different versions of the first vision, Smith's background with "seer stones" and money-digging, it all fell apart.

I was appalled by the barbarity of Brigham Young - his teachings on blood atonement, his support of violence as in the Bishop Snow incident, his racism, and his condescension toward women.

I lost all confidence in Gordon Hinckley when I heard him say in regard to a key Mormon doctrine, "I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it."
01:14 AM on 05/18/2011
Well of course they're not in a hurry to walk down the aisle...there are no aisles in the holy temple! In the temple we kneel at an altar, so any LDS youth in a hurry for aisles must be interested in marriage for time only (not eternity).
10:27 AM on 04/29/2011
What's missing from this article is the fact that Mormons believe that marriage is for "time and all eternity" instead of "until death do us part".
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
09:28 PM on 04/29/2011
....tells the story, lol.
"Brethren, there is a point at which it's time to think seriously about marriage and to seek a companion with whom you want to spend eternity," Monson said at an all-male priesthood meeting.

If all mormons put marriage off only one year -- and spent that year in service, atoning for some of the horrendous deeds of the "prophets", the religion would be transformed, and would be a more attractive place to spend eternity.

From what I am reading here, there is, for the year 2011, too much of this ---
"Get married now. Do what we tell you is best now, Women put up with men running things now. Have kids now. Tithe now."
By obeying, one is promised a place in eternity, sainthood, and a life that will be pleasant
IF you fit the mold, and do not give birth to children who do not fit the mold.

Heaven FORBID someone changes in his/her 20s (normal in the outside world) and heaven REALLY FORBID that you happen to have a child who is Gay or insists on thinking for him/herself.

I understood better when I read this sincere question on a mormon blog (paraphrase, but fair). "I'm 25. I don't see how my wife and I will be able to manage more than 3 children. I am concerned what might happen in the afterlife to the additional souls who were meant to be born into my family."
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DaveNYC
10:42 PM on 06/13/2011
I grew up in the Mormon church. Once, as a kid, I was party to a conversation with a bunch of adult men. One of the men said the reason he had never been "sealed" in the Mormon temple (e.g. for "eternity") was because he didn't want to be with his wife in the afterlife. This life was enough. I always thought that was kind of funny.
11:58 PM on 04/27/2011
I am trying to figure out the color coding of the comments. How do you get a purple rather than a grey or orange post?

Sounds like Mormon's still marry pretty young compared to the average American. I think lots of college kids tend to start out as friends and things just evolve from there. I suppose Momons aren't any different
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Chrystal Ji Davey
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07:40 AM on 04/28/2011
True, except Mormon kids get a huge amount of pressure put on them from the church, the members of which preach that to be good religious god-followers they must get married and grant their deity as many children as possible. The people who get married at 21 (boy) and 19 (girl) and have bunchloads of kids are the most socially revered, in so many ways.

For the comment color thing, I can't explain it, but it has to do with frequency of comments, flagging, etc.
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BroBrigham
06:59 PM on 04/27/2011
26, single, Mormon, and living in Utah, I'd get married if the opportunity presented itself, I just want it to be the right girl. If one believes in eternal families, like I do, it's kind of a big deal to choose wisely :)
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Chrystal Ji Davey
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07:47 AM on 04/27/2011
Hahah I used to live in Utah and LOVED getting the weird looks from everyone when I told them I don't intend to get married until i'm over 30... it's so incomprehensible to them, LOL
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COPESTIR3
10:26 PM on 04/28/2011
I was good and got married at 20. I was told I was selfish, self centered and crazy to wait until after graduate school. I had my first child at 30. I had my last child at 30. Making your own choices about education, career and family size frankly, does not go over well.
10:52 PM on 04/25/2011
It is my observation that whenever an article is written about the Mormons, the comments are full of vitriol and judgements with little discussion or debate about the content of the article. This happens here in the Huffington Post as well as in my local paper in AZ. Perhaps actually discussing the content of the article could enlighten everyone, but it appears that the greater majority of the comments are directed to lambast a religion the posters know very little about.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
04:27 AM on 04/26/2011
Please READ the comments here -- you will see that many come off as fair, if you accept that the commenter is entitled to his/her non-mormon point of view.

In MY religion, if one has committed or allowed acts which others find hurtful and damaging, we try to find an appropriate atonement. The mormons here seem to feel that only they are the judges of mormon actions, and tend to 100% deny many actions, such as the Prop 8 management, for which there is abundant proof -- that is no way to try to make friends.
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COPESTIR3
10:31 PM on 04/28/2011
It was my observation that whenever a political issue like supporting prop 8, or not supporting the Equal Rights Amendment the comments are full of vitriol, judgments and threats of ex-communications or actual excommunications, Debate is always shifted to focus on individuals rather than church leadership fanning the flames of hostility. Then it appears the greater majority of comments are directed to lambast anyone that dares to engaged in discourse.
08:25 PM on 04/25/2011
My first experience was w/a Mormon co-worker who could not dring any Coke products UNTIL the LDS Church bought Coke stock. Then it was okay.
Second experience was w/another co-worker in another co. some 2K miles away from the 1st one.... she was wearing a funny undershirt....Mormon required.
Third, another co. another Mormon and she was a natural at languages....learned Spanish on her mission then Italian, then Portuguese...and wanted to go to college but was told to get married and have kids.
Sooooo...this is a seriously weird 'religion' ...each to their own and I DO feel sorry for the women who are told to be baby machines.
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ShellyintheWest
No pain or trial that we suffer is ever wasted.
11:32 PM on 04/25/2011
Typical paranoia...none of what you said is 'truth', just gossip and passed on like you have some great wisdom in life to share.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
04:03 AM on 04/26/2011
OK, she says she saw and heard mormons do these things, and you say she is repeating gossip

MORMONS CAN'T READ (IF IT IS CRITICISM)
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02:38 AM on 04/27/2011
Mormonism is on a level with Scientology which actually is more credible...
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BroBrigham
07:00 PM on 04/27/2011
This Mormon has been drinking "leaded Coke" since he figured out how to use a straw :)
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1jdgriff
Logic Prevails
06:27 PM on 04/25/2011
"Monson placed the blame for Mormon men's marital foot-dragging on financial anxiety, insistence on finding a "soul mate" and having too much fun being single."

Wouldn't want these young men having fun being single, nope, they want them to get married, even though they can't afford it, have kids, and worry about supporting them later. For heavens sake, don't have fun at this time in your life. Yikes!
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eilish
Life ain't like a box of chocolates
02:08 PM on 04/25/2011
I'm just so happy I could bust. I'm a former 3rd gen Mormon, and today a girl who left her family in Utah (I gave her a job) called and asked me to officiate at her wedding to another ex-Mormon girlfriend of mine. I am so touched and excited for them.

I have always hated that Mormon rigidity and didn't raise my sons that way. They're now grown and today only one of the 3 has anything to do with the church. Especially not the gay one, who actually cried when I told him I was fed up and done with Mormonism. Or the son who married a Catholic girl.

And I'm incensed about the one who was blinded in Iraq, the war that Mormons consider sacred and I know is only about oil, power & money. So sacred that BYU honored the Dick Cheney at commencement in 2007.

Members have been very good to him and his family, but ewwww. I was told by a member that I should be proud to offer my son as sacrifice like Abraham did Isaac. Yeah, well, God spared Isaac, didn't he?
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1jdgriff
Logic Prevails
06:43 PM on 04/25/2011
Very interesting story, thanks for sharing.
12:11 AM on 04/26/2011
I never remember hearing the Church declare that the wars in the Middle East were sacred. I do remember hearing the Church leaders say that they were tragic and unfortunate.

I am sorry for your son and his loss.
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eilish
Life ain't like a box of chocolates
04:53 PM on 04/26/2011
Members do say it. Frequently. Last days, sacred wars in the Middle East that have been foretold, yadda yadda.
10:10 AM on 04/25/2011
That is the worst advice I've ever heard. "Just find someone nice and marry them and hope for the best." WOW.
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CoastalNC
Good thoughts create good things
01:00 PM on 04/25/2011
Here's another one "If you are female and planning on college you are planning for a life of failure".....yeah, heard that one from our Stake President when I was in my 20's.

I cannot say it enough....thank the universe and all that is good that I don't belong to the Mormons anymore.
01:08 PM on 04/25/2011
I've never known a Mormon to leave the Mormon church. Bet that was tough.
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COPESTIR3
10:43 PM on 04/28/2011
Praise be! I hear ya! I feel the same.
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LynneE
A not-so-elite liberal.
10:24 PM on 04/25/2011
They tell their gay men the same thing: Get married and it will cure you of your 'gayness'. A good friend was married for 20+ years when her husband finally came out. The bishop had counseled him into marriage after he returned from his mission.

Ruined both their lives.
New Yorker
Roman Catholic, Anti-DEATH, Combat Vet, Sinner
09:11 AM on 04/25/2011
Finding a job that can support a family fresh out of college is not happening. Women have a much harder time roping in some male who knocked them up, than they once did. The herd of women now put out faster, easier, and with less investment than before, so the men are enjoying the milk without buying the cows they used to buy. The world of pornography, hookers, and every kind of perversion is available through the personal computer, and this causes many others to avoid bovine entangelments of the legally bound variety as well. Men delay maturity as long as possible, and the old adage that college was four years of vacation between a boys mother and his wife has grown by leaps and bounds. Also there's no military Draft to coerce a boy into a marriage deferment to stay safe at home.
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LynneE
A not-so-elite liberal.
10:29 PM on 04/25/2011
Are you implying that good mormon men and women fall into that scenario? lol

If you actually look at the statistics, it appears to be women that are saying 'no' to marriage. There are many more options for women now, and they don't feel like strapping on the old ball and chain any more. With the prospect of being tied down to some belching, farting, porn-watching non-mover...being single doesn't seem so bad.
12:19 AM on 04/26/2011
Instead, they will move in with their boyfriend, and do all of the same things a wife does for a husband, except a wife is entitled to half of the property when they separate whereas the girlfriend is entitled to nothing. She is lucky to get a thank you.

I never understood why 'modern' women do not understand how marriage is mostly for their benefit.
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COPESTIR3
10:50 PM on 04/28/2011
Marriage is about establishing a relationship, finding a partner and planning a life and family together. If anyone gets married just for the sex and pole dancing capabilities of the partner they are in trouble.