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'Birther' Claims Force GOP Leaders To Take A Stand

CHARLES BABINGTON   04/23/11 03:30 AM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — It's the conspiracy theory that won't go away. And it's forcing Republican officials and presidential contenders to pick sides: Do they think Barack Obama was born outside the United States and disqualified to be president?

As the Republican candidates tiptoe through the minefield, Democrats are watching. They hope the debate will fire up their liberal base and perhaps tie the eventual GOP nominee to fringe beliefs that swing voters will reject.

In recent days several prominent Republicans have distanced themselves, with varying degrees of emphasis, from the false claim that Obama was born in a foreign country. But with a new poll showing that two-thirds of adult Republicans either embrace the claim or are open to it, the GOP leaders for the most part are not calling for a broader effort to stamp out the allegations.

"It's a real challenge for the Republican Party and virtually every Republican candidate for president," contends Democratic pollster Geoff Garin. If it's not handled well, he said, all-important independent voters might see Republicans as extreme or irrelevant.

Many Americans consider claims of Obama's foreign birth to be preposterous, unworthy of serious debate. Yet the "birther" issue threatens to overshadow the early stages of the GOP effort to choose a presidential nominee for 2012. Real estate mogul Donald Trump has stirred the pot lately, repeatedly saying Obama should provide his original birth certificate.

From a political standpoint, it's impossible to dismiss the matter as conspiratorial fantasy, akin to, say, claims that the 1969 moon landing was staged. In the latest New York Times-CBS News poll, 45 percent of adult Republicans said they believe Obama was born in another country, and 22 percent said they don't know. One-third of Republicans said they believe the president is native born.

The same poll a year ago found considerably less suspicion among Republicans. A plurality of GOP adults then said Obama was U.S.-born, and 32 percent said they believed he was foreign-born.

In the latest poll, about half of all independents said Obama was born in the United States. The other independents were about evenly split between those saying he is foreign-born and those saying they don't know.

Ten percent of Democrats said Obama was born overseas, and 9 percent were unsure.

Obama's birth certificate indicates he was born in Hawaii in 1961. Newspaper birth announcements at the time reported the birth, and news organizations' investigations have rebutted the birthers' claims. The Constitution says a president must be a "natural born citizen."

Trump's leap to the top tier of potential GOP presidential contenders in recent polls has frustrated party leaders who'd like the birthplace issue to go away.

The House's top Republicans _Speaker John Boehner and Majority Leader Eric Cantor – say they are satisfied that Obama was born in Hawaii. But they have declined to criticize those who state otherwise, and Boehner has said it's not his job to tell Americans what to think.

Trump, meanwhile, keeps fueling the fire. Even though many people doubt he will run for president, he has forced other Republicans to take stands.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania have been the most direct in rejecting the birthers' claims. "I believe the president was born in the United States," Romney told CNBC.

Santorum has no doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii, and he "believes this debate distracts us from the real issues," said his spokeswoman, Virginia Davis.

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour accepts the president's word about his birthplace, his staff said.

Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty told an Iowa audience, "I'm not one to question the authenticity of Barack Obama's birth certificate." He added a little jab: "When you look at his policies, I do question what planet he's from."

When ABC's George Stephanopoulos showed a copy of Obama's birth certificate to Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, who was ambivalent at first, she said: "Well, then, that should settle it. ... I take the president at his word."

Former vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin gave mixed signals in a recent Fox News appearance. She praised Trump for "paying for researchers" to dig into claims of Obama's foreign birth. But she added, "I think that he was born in Hawaii because there was a birth announcement put in the newspaper."

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee has dismissed claims that Obama is foreign-born, calling them a distraction. But on a February radio show, Huckabee referred to Obama's "having grown up in Kenya," the birthplace of the president's father.

Obama grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia. A spokesman said Huckabee's statement was simply a mistake.

Aides to former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said voters have not asked him about the birthplace question and he has not discussed it.

The issue has spread to several states where Republican-controlled legislatures have introduced or passed bills requiring presidential candidates and sometimes others to prove their citizenship. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, a Republican, recently vetoed such a bill, calling it "a bridge too far."

Democrats think the birthplace issue might fire up liberals, especially minorities, who in many cases have been dispirited by Obama's frequent compromises with conservatives to pass legislation. Blacks who embraced Obama's barrier-breaking election now see some Republicans claiming he has no constitutional right to be president.

The New York Times-CBS poll was worded in a way that might have subtly encouraged respondents to say Obama is foreign born. "Some people say Barack Obama was NOT born in the United States," the poll's callers said, but they did not offer counterarguments.

Moreover, some pollsters think respondents will seize a chance to call Obama a Muslim or noncitizen to convey something else: a dislike for him or his policies.

"Some people who strongly oppose a person or proposition will take virtually any opportunity to express that antipathy," writes Gary Langer, who polls for ABC News.

Garin, the Democratic pollster, doesn't buy it in this case. The birthers' claims are so prevalent, especially on conservative TV and radio shows, he said, that poll respondents are likely to say what they truly believe about a much-discussed topic.

"There are high-profile people, including Donald Trump and many others in the conservative media, who advocate and validate this point of view each and every day," Garin said. The big question about the birthplace issue, he said, "is the extent to which it drives a wedge within the Republican Party" and turns off independents in November 2012.

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WASHINGTON — It's the conspiracy theory that won't go away. And it's forcing Republican officials and presidential contenders to pick sides: Do they think Barack Obama was born outside the Unite...
WASHINGTON — It's the conspiracy theory that won't go away. And it's forcing Republican officials and presidential contenders to pick sides: Do they think Barack Obama was born outside the Unite...
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carolo
retired Democrat
12:37 PM on 04/26/2011
This should be a moral issue even more than a political issue. Obama is a human being, an American citizen and was chosen as President of the US. To call him the names they call him, to make him appear as less than the person he is and constantly say he is otherwise is awful. If the Republicans had any backbone, they would stand tall and tell these Birthers and Tea Partiers that enough is enough. They will not accept this birth certificate, the State seal on the back, the Embossed seal on the front and the verification of others. What they refuse to believe does not make it a lie.
08:18 AM on 04/26/2011
From the vantage point of Dublin in Ireland, following this, er, 'issue', it seems clear that the birthers are unhappy with the color of Obama's skin. As has been proved, the legal requirement of being a 'natural born US citizen', doesn't rely on where one is born, but that at least one parent is an American citizen. It's the same in Britain and Ireland. It doesn;t matter where you are born, as long as one parent is a British or Irish citizen, then any child of theirs is also eligible for citizenship of Britian or Ireland.

This wilfull ignorance is deeply disturbing, and only makes the Americans who subscribe to the birther movement, look incredibly stupid.

It's also clear that the republican party is the party of corporate America. That's why the recent GOP legislation about the source of political donations not having to be transparent, is law; because all the so called grass-root movements, are funded by big business, who couldn't care less about the average American puppet-idiots who fall for the BS they spout and do their bidding in the name of 'America'.

Remember Martin Luther King, the national guard being sent in to enroll James Meredith at Mississipi, Cassius Clay denounced as a traitor because he took a principled stand against the Vietnam War; all the events that the GOP idiots at the time ranted and railed about as being UnAmerican, that history proves now was actually the actions of great American patriots.
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lex parsimoniae
12:17 PM on 04/26/2011
If someone from Ireland can understand all this why can't Americans in the South understand it?
03:17 PM on 04/26/2011
They can understand it, but choose to act like racists because their culture was founded on Slavery and the dehumanising of black people who've had to fight tooth and nail for every tiny step of advancement. The real souce of heroic America, black culture. When the first black writers appeared in print, the racists would put their gift down to the white lineage in them, because to admit otherwise would be like Saddam or Gadaffi admitting they are not the benevolent patricians they like to think. What about Trig, Palin's kid. If it was all white politicians, the teaparty would be all like, c'mon, it's her daughters, you know the one who was both a teenage mom and divorcee?
08:19 PM on 04/26/2011
Desmond you hit the nail on the head! My dad was born in
1936 and during that time African Americans were documented on their birth records as a 2nd class citizen. My father tried to get it changed before he died but to no avail. he died a 2nd class citizen in America. Unfortunately too many white Americans still view black Americans as second class citizens as it's just now they've found a digestable way to express it by creating the "birther" movement. Perhaps one day this nonsense will end.
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Kachina Lively
Seeking Truth in all things
12:55 AM on 04/26/2011
Didn't his own Grandmother state he was not born in USA?
12:10 PM on 04/26/2011
Eh, no. That was an edited piece of Tea Party baloney.
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peter777
12:41 AM on 04/26/2011
Let the Birthers and T party have the GOP. The politicians in that party have completely sold out to money, power, and greed. They do not give a damn about the rest of America. The rest of us need to unite and drive these lying, conniving non-representives from office. And, if Dems cannot capitalize on the gift that Republicans have given them, let's find some progressive people who can.
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SimonLeigh
09:55 PM on 04/25/2011
What percentage of adult Republicans know that Hawaii is part of America? Or that if Obama is not the president, Joe Biden is? Or anything worth knowing? Playing to ignorance seems a bit risky.
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Jack Swalley
09:43 PM on 04/25/2011
So, if the birthers "take over" the Republicans, so much for "Party of Lincoln" that MY grandfather, a lifelong Republican, claimed to be the overwhelming reason to BE a Republican.
Well, we young liberals in 1968-1972 kinda gave the boot to the southern racists who called themselves Democrats and the Nixon "southern" strategy was born. I don't think that Nixon planned to be so successful at this "new" idea. This Lincoln plaque, so proudly displayed in almost every Republican office, ain't there anymore. Birther rhymes with trigger. If not? Where the hell was John McCain REALLY born?? Birthers are gonna have to answer THAT one................FIRST!
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JohnBryansFontaine
Liberal Democrat
02:20 PM on 04/24/2011
Birtherism = Racism

Here is another example of Racism :

Racism/Bigotry, Benton Harbor

http://crooksandliars.com/taxonomy/term/65,20627
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carolo
retired Democrat
12:40 PM on 04/26/2011
Wisconsin, Fl, Illinios and Ohio added to that. But then we always have TX and FL.
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hardycross
07:39 AM on 04/24/2011
I think the Democrat party is hurt by this birth issue not the Republicans, after all, the Dems will be stuck with State birther laws that could prevent Obama from being on the ballot. Trump may be the only one in the race!
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Mechelle Gray
Papers Please!
09:24 AM on 04/24/2011
Glad the Dems don't pay YOU to think!
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hardycross
09:38 AM on 04/24/2011
huh?
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JohnBryansFontaine
Liberal Democrat
02:22 PM on 04/24/2011
Agreed, fanned and faved!
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viking1969
12:14 AM on 04/25/2011
The state birther laws are specially designed to prevent Obama from running. However, those same birther laws prevent most people, if not all, born after 1993 from running as well. Remember, most states stopped issuing long form birth certificates 20 years ago. No one has a circumcisum record either. The unintended conseaquences of Obama hate will prevent almost anyone from running in these states in the future. Gotta love the rightwing hate machine.
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hardycross
08:39 AM on 04/25/2011
I don't think you have that right.
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laborgrunt
10:34 PM on 04/23/2011
Donald Trump released his birth certificate. It lists his eyes as “blue” and his hair as "ridiculous".
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jerry25
09:58 PM on 04/23/2011
http://www.kitv.com/news/27646642/detail.html

Have people read this AP story? It explains ALL about the birther issue.

Basically the Long form of birth certificate cannot be removed or copied by law. It was verified by the Dept. of Health, 2x under the Republican Governor.

Obama could visit the archives himself, but he still couldn't legally copy the document.

It would have to be a massive conspiracy, involving people from Hawaii (not Obama) to falsify the information.
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carolo
retired Democrat
12:45 PM on 04/26/2011
Check again. Hawaii did NOT have long form birth certificates when Obama was born and they may still not have them. My BC is short form as well as that of my 4 children and I'm from Michigan. They also say "Certificate of Live Birth." Every State has different BC forms just as our drivers licenses are different.
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SocratesSiddhartha
"Poverty is the worst form of violence." Gandhi
09:12 PM on 04/23/2011
"Former Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle, a Republican, has been quoted as saying, "I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records at the Department of Health. We issued a news release at the time saying the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that is just a fact."
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lindayb
i used to be a Martian in a previous life
08:22 PM on 04/23/2011
i think the vast majority of those being polled who say they think the president is not a natural born citizen, really do not believe that at all, they just want to try to discredit a democrat who holds that office in any way they can think of. pitiful.
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jerry25
10:27 PM on 04/23/2011
You are absolutely correct. I wish another pollster would ask the questions differently and then they could prove that those people are all Obama haters who get their news from talk radio on Fox.
07:05 PM on 04/23/2011
it will be interesting to see how or if this will be a real issue in the 2012 election by the fringe elements. or will they fall in to line by that time?
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jerry25
10:29 PM on 04/23/2011
Obama can go to the archives and photocopy the long form of the document and bring a Respected Republican witness with him. When he shows the document he would take down 1/2 of the Republican party with it.
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Mechelle Gray
Papers Please!
09:26 AM on 04/24/2011
You CAN'T photocopy or remove the LONG VERSION. The REPUBLICAN governor VERIFIED this and the fact that he WAS BORN there!

THE END!
Rogell
Proud Veteran
12:05 AM on 04/24/2011
It won't be a factor in 2012, because the GOP can't possibly run on "lunacy," during this critical period. I say "critical," if it's their intent to make the president a one-term president as Senate Minority Leader Mitchell claimed was his sole priority. That said, I would hate for him to be my senator, and thus I feel sorry for the people of Kentucky. They're being represented by a junior senator who is scarey to say the very least, and then Mitchell, who doesn't have time to represent the people of Kentucky as they should. They deserve better no matter how much I disagree with their political logic.
06:49 PM on 04/23/2011
Thank you!!!!
06:48 PM on 04/23/2011
Birth question; it does not make any difference where he was born.... He should not be in the White House.
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Mechelle Gray
Papers Please!
09:26 AM on 04/24/2011
Your racism is showing ... be careful.
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peter777
12:46 AM on 04/26/2011
What on earth is wrong with you? Don't like democracy and the Constitution? He was legally elected and has every right to be there. Maybe you could say he should not have been elected. It is people lilke you that are poisoning the discourse in this country.