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Terry Jones, The Quran-Burning Pastor, Jailed In Dearborn, Michigan

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First Posted: 04/23/11 08:38 PM ET Updated: 06/23/11 06:12 AM ET

This story was reported in collaboration with Jessica Carreras from Dearborn's Patch.com.

Last month, the pastor of a tiny church in Florida dressed up in a judge's robes and held a mock trial in which he pronounced a death sentence upon the Quran, an order he then carried out using kerosene and a barbecue lighter. News of his deed spread to Afghanistan, where thousands rioted during two days of protests that left 21 people dead, including 7 U.N. workers.

This week, Terry Jones, 59, went back to court -- a real court this time, in Michigan's 19th District. He'd come to Dearborn, a city with a large Muslim population, to demonstrate what he described as "the rise of Sharia law." The plan: Stage a rally outside the Islamic Center of America, the largest mosque in the United States.

On Thursday, Judge Mark Somers summoned Jones and a supporter named Wayne Sapp to the courthouse in response to a Wayne County prosecutor, whose office warned a protest in front of the mosque could "incite a riot." A jury determined the following day that the demonstration would likely "breach the peace," and Judge Somers ordered the men to stay away from the mosque for three years and pay a nominal $1 bond. Jones and Sapp initially refused to pay the bond and were briefly jailed.

Although the protest Jones organized figured to be sparsely attended -- at one point he said he expected only five participants -- the news of his plan triggered a huge reaction from locals opposed to him and sympathetic to the mosque.

Hundreds gathered at the Islamic Center on Thursday night for what was described as an interfaith rally against the Jones protest. An Episcopal bishop led a prayer, and about a dozen religious leaders from nearly as many faiths and sects led the crowd out of the mosque in silence. Participants stood outside for about ten minutes with their hands joined, no one talking. The religious leaders posed for photos with their arms interlocked.

Dearborn Mayor John O'Reilly Jr. attended the event after writing an open letter to Jones that read, "You are coming to protest against an imaginary threat that doesn't exist in our community."

Another demonstration against Jones was held at a library on Friday, this one drawing about 1,000 people. Protestors carried signs reading ""I Am American" and "We Are All Brothers in Humanity."

The idea of demonstrating against Sharia law in front of the Islamic Center of America came not from Jones, originally, but from a Michigan fraternal group called the Order of the Dragon. After Jones announced he planned to join them, the group backed out. "He's a little off his rocker," the organization's president, Frank Fiorello, said of Jones.

In the courtroom, Jones, who defended himself, wore what has become his trademark rebel costume. He sported a Harley-Davidson t-shirt and jeans to match his Hulk Hogan mustache and slung his scuffed leather jacket over a chair. His cohort, Sapp, wore a Harley t-shirt, too.

"You may not agree with what we've done," Jones said, addressing the court for the first time in his baritone preacher's voice Friday morning. Quick to defend his constitutional rights, he added, "This is, to a certain extent, a First Amendment issue ... and the First Amendment does us no good if it confines us to saying what popular opinion is."

Much of the court discussion did center on the First Amendment, and specifically, a Dearborn ordinance requiring demonstrators to obtain permits for protests outside of four specific areas known as "free speech zones." At the trial, Robert Moran, an assistant prosecutor for Wayne County, noted that the police department had invited Jones to hold the demonstration in one of those designated areas.

"They said 'No,'" Moran said. "They said, 'We're going to come demonstrate where we want, when we want, regardless of the law.'"

Jones, for his part, dismissed the concept of free speech zones as "ridiculous."

"All we want to do is exercise our First Amendment rights," Jones said. " Freedom of speech does not have speech zones."

The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan filed a friend of the court brief. "If the First Amendment means anything, it means that the government cannot interfere in a person's free speech simply because it doesn't agree with the message or because someone else may not agree with the message," spokesperson Rana Elmir penned in the statement. "As reprehensible as his beliefs may be," Elmir added, "we believe this is an unconstitutional attempt to limit his unpopular speech."

In response to the final verdict, Elmir said, ""The prosecutor's office and the Dearborn court turned the First Amendment on its head."

At the Detroit Metro Airport on Saturday, Jones told reporters that his constitutional rights had been violated and vowed he and his supporters would return to town next week. According to Wayne Sapp, however, the men now intend to demonstrate not in front of the mosque but at City Hall.

"Right now, our direct confrontation is with the city of Dearborn," he said.

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This story was reported in collaboration with Jessica Carreras from Dearborn's Patch.com. Last month, the pastor of a tiny church in Florida dressed up in a judge's robes and held a mock trial in w...
This story was reported in collaboration with Jessica Carreras from Dearborn's Patch.com. Last month, the pastor of a tiny church in Florida dressed up in a judge's robes and held a mock trial in w...
 
 
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08:29 PM on 05/02/2011
What an interesting turn of events that is taking place with posting comments on these articles and replying to other posters. I was having a good time taking the moral high ground with one of the posters. The poster "davemcgeorgia" all he could do was attack Islam and Muslims. He never had any thing positive to say, but in spite of all of his abuses towards what I had to say, I kept the moral high ground. Now it seems all of those exchanges have been removed by HP.

Also, some my good positive exchanges that I had with others have been removed too, even though those exchanges wasn't as extremely abuses as "davemcgeorgia" attacks were. And some of my exchanges with positive posters such as with "Doug" have been removed too.

I guess this paradigm shift to remove my positive posts is too much for HP to grasp because it demonstrates a positive, honorable and descent image of a muslim being portrayed that others will realize when reading my good will towards my distractors, that Muslims aren't as fanatical as the media will want us to be seen as.

It's all good HP. If just a little of what I have to say get out to the public, it will go a long ways towards the healing process that is needed in this country towards their fellow human colleagues.

Peace, HP
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10:39 PM on 04/30/2011
MUST HEAR--THE UGLY TRUTH PODCAST--INTERVIEW WITH PASTOR TERRY JONES OF THE INFAMOUS "LET'S BURN KORANS' ON 9/11

http://theuglytruth.podbean.com/2010/08/07/the-ugly-truth-podcast-special-edition/

Today’s program features an exclusive interview with Dr Terry Jones, pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainsville, Florida that is planning to have a ‘Burn a Koran Day’ this upcoming September 11th. Listen as we are joined by special guest Nashid Abdul Khaaliq, of http://ascertainthetruth.com, an African American convert to Islam along with regular co-host of the Ugly Truth Mark Dankof of http://markdankof.com. A MUST HEAR PROGRAM.
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07:36 PM on 04/28/2011
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuslimEducationalProfessionals/message/1592

Shared Freedom Space, Sharia and Shura: The Relationship Between the Three

There has been a lot of discussions on "Shariah Laws" and Shariah coming to take over America. You can have the opportunity to participate with a Linguist of many languages. Especially in Arabic, Hebrew and English to get a better definition of the term "shariah".

This is a Muslim Instructor discussing this misused term in an open format for any to ask questions or criticize.
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GraphicMatt
Somebody make me a sandwich!
02:18 PM on 04/27/2011
As I've said before on this subject, if only people in Gainesville had done the same thing as the rational minded people of Dearborn this whole thing could have been nipped in the bud.
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12:48 AM on 04/27/2011
"Free Speech Zones" is one of the most oxymoronic, pitiful phrases I have encountered in a while.
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Doug Sandlin
We See The World Not As It Is But As We Are
10:04 PM on 04/26/2011
Very interesting video clip featuring Dearborn Mayor John O'Reilly, describing exactly why Terry Jones' permit request (to demonstrate across the street from the mosque) was denied:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDgLBIEdjYo

In my opinion, Mayor O'Reilly sounds "all kinds of reasonable".

Do you agree?

Disagree?
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12:12 AM on 04/27/2011
Thanks for the piece Doug. What so amazing is while all the Islamophobes are outrage that their favorite pastor was denied a permit, based on what the Mayor said the pastor l_ied about the number of people who will attend on that small stretch of grassy area.
Now where is The Knocker when you need him?
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05:52 PM on 04/27/2011
Yes, usually the most prosaic explanation is lost amidst all the anxious political sturm n' drang that seems to happen in US media :3
12:23 PM on 04/27/2011
"If as a result of his actions there are costs and damages that he will be responsible"
What results of his actions? That's a terrifically vague and vacuous statement.
Reading between the lines, is he saying that there may be some sort of a riot?
If such is the case, why would Jones be the one to pay for their crimes?
Isn't the onus for such on those who do the damage, or am I missing something terribly obvious?
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Doug Sandlin
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10:24 PM on 04/27/2011
I think it was saying that if Jones caused a riot as a result of his demonstration, and/or that damages otherwise resulted, that he would be held responsible for the costs incurred.

Seems logical, doesn't it?

It's solely about keeping demonstrators and demonstrations responsible, seems like.
07:27 PM on 04/28/2011
is it like screaming fire in a crowded theater?
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08:07 PM on 04/26/2011
Freed hiker: Terry Jones endangers us all

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/04/21/shourd.jones.quran/index.html?hpt=C2
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07:28 PM on 04/28/2011
Shared Freedom Space, Sharia and Shura: The Relationship Between the Three

Maybe this is a topic no one will want to miss. It will be open for your participation too. You may ask the muslim instructor any questions you like about Sharia and offer any criticisms you have. To get more details follow this link.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MuslimEducationalProfessionals/message/1592
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gregory57
Micro-bio, was one of my favorite classes.
05:08 PM on 04/26/2011
I wen't to the in-laws for easter. At dinner when the conversation began to lag, I brought up Terry Jones, asking Hey what do you guys think about Terry Jones... I went on. You know,
the guy who calls himself the pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center? Nothing. I tried to explain. He burned a Q'ran, and the next day, there were riots over it in Afghanistan? ...crickets chirping. Oh... never mind. Just FYI this was a table full of "adults" between the ages of 15 and 70.

So, tell me. Did I marry into a family of idiots, or am I just spending too much time online?
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Pyrum
05:43 PM on 04/26/2011
There's a time and a place for everything. Don't you know it's impolite to bring up politics and/or religion at the dinner table?
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Doug Sandlin
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09:27 PM on 04/26/2011
I've heard people say this.

I have yet to see a single group of people abide by it.

(Okay by me; many gatherings would be deadly-boring with that restriction in place!)
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11:24 PM on 04/26/2011
If I brought that up at my Easter dinner, it'd be crickets for sure. Keep stayin' abundantly informed (one absolutely has to). I hope they don't recognize your dog, but sounds like they wouldn't be on HP, anyway.
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gregory57
Micro-bio, was one of my favorite classes.
11:40 PM on 04/26/2011
Yeah I have heard that religion and politics aren't supposed to be discussed in polite company, but I thought it was kind of an early Nineteenth century kind of thing.

Don't worry about them recognizing the dog... they don't care for dogs either.
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DrHas
04:12 PM on 04/26/2011
Amazing to see the solidarity and support from the interfaith community. Very moving.
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Doug Sandlin
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09:27 PM on 04/26/2011
I agree; Faved.
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06:02 PM on 04/27/2011
Yeah, the best way to deal with HATE isn't to censor it or hide it...allow it to express itself and it will shoot itself in the foot :3 while reasonable people get together and raise the 'HUZZAH HUMANITY' flag :3 And dance. And drink. And tell jokes. And get down FIGURING OUT how we, as a global humanity, are going to live with one another. EX-CITING!
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Doug Sandlin
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10:27 PM on 04/27/2011
Yes, Indeed!

Faved.
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Freedom with their exception...
12:59 PM on 04/26/2011
"If the First Amendment means anything, it means that the government cannot interfere in a person's free speech simply because it doesn't agree with the message or because someone else may not agree with the message," spokesperson Rana Elmir penned in the statement. "As reprehensible as his beliefs may be," Elmir added, "we believe this is an unconstitutional attempt to limit his unpopular speech."

This.
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11:58 AM on 04/26/2011
While everything about Mr. Jones is disgusting to me. I honestly believe that if you restrict Jones’ right to protest in front of a mosque, you send the signal that violent intimidation works, and that those who killed people in Afghanistan because of Jones’ Koran-burning have achieved their ultimate goal: to make Islam immune from criticism because every potential critic will be afraid to speak out.

This ladies and gentlemen, is the road to tyranny, his arrest and subesequent fining although a pawltry amount is a sign that we have now embarked down this slippery slope.
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03:40 PM on 04/26/2011
Read the ruling below and get yourself educated first before resort to fear-mongering. The ruling stipulates that intimidating people even on public places cross burning is not allowed.

"Respondents were convicted separately of violating a Virginia statute that makes it a felony “for any person … , with the intent of intimidating any person or group … , to burn … a cross on the property of another, a highway or other public place,” and specifies that “[a]ny such burning … shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to intimidate a person or group.”

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/01-1107.ZS.html
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04:01 PM on 04/26/2011
From your link:

"(a) Burning a cross in the United States is inextricably intertwined with the history of the Ku Klux Klan, which, following its formation in 1866, imposed a reign of terror throughout the South, whipping, threatening, and murdering blacks, southern whites who disagreed with the Klan, and “carpetbagger” northern whites."

The decision is clearly related to racism.

Question: Would the statute apply if the cross burners were very dark skinned Muslims protesting the Christian oppression of Muslims in America?

If one removes the unchangeable element of skin color from the protest and substitutes the promotion of changeable, but harmful ideas as the target of the protest, should the outcome of the decision change?
05:38 AM on 04/27/2011
He didn't burn a cross or a Koran in Dearborn did he?
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Doug Sandlin
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09:49 PM on 04/26/2011
How do you see this as being the case?

Jones is free to protest in Dearborn ... and he's intending to do so.

The city just decided that the time (5pm on Good Friday, on a major street with several churches holding Good Friday services) and place (directly across the street from the Islamic Center of America) were not workable for a variety of reasons.

Jones appeared on a TV show with the Imam of the Islamic Center, and was able to offer essentially all of views on that show, to, in theory at least, a much larger audience than would be physically present at a live protest.

How has Jones' right to free speech been negatively impacted in any way?
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01:06 AM on 04/26/2011
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Faith Can Move Mountains, Change Government­s
http://gro­ups.yahoo.­com/group/­Language-C­ommentarie­s-of-WDeen­Mohammed/m­essage/809
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Doug Sandlin
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11:29 PM on 04/25/2011
Wow.

I just found this.

Terry Jones and Imam Hassan Qazwini of the Islamic Center of America (where Jones intended to protest) appearing together and talking together on the same TV Show.

If a picture is worth a thousand words, a TV segment like this is worth about a hundred thousand.

I'll let the content speak for itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVSJwuawMP0
12:05 AM on 04/26/2011
Yeah, I'd call that fairly telling.
12:13 AM on 04/26/2011
Finished the video. More thoughts:

So... he doesn't know what Sharia is, can't define it, that "isn't the point," and he's against it and protesting it.

He acknowledges that the Dearborn Mosque isn't radical Islam, but he's protesting it anyhow.

What is he trying to get across here?
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Doug Sandlin
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09:36 PM on 04/26/2011
"What is he trying to get across here?"

"I, Terry Jones, am on TV!!"