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Internal Medicine Doctors: Fewer Go Into Field, New Research Shows

The Huffington Post   Catherine Pearson First Posted: 04/27/11 09:42 AM ET Updated: 06/27/11 06:12 AM ET

Primary Care Physician

It can sometimes seem impossible to find a primary care physician in your area who’s covered by your insurance, but the issue may be larger than out-of-network versus in-network issues, a new study reports. The percentage of medical students who go into general, internal medicine has dropped precipitously in the past 20-some years, while a simultaneous increase in chronically ill baby boomers -- coupled with what researchers refer to as an obesity epidemic -- means that demand is way up.

Ultimately, there may not be enough primary care physicians to treat patients in the U.S.

Writing in the Archives of Internal Medicine, Dr. Mark D. Schwartz of NYU’s School of Medicine, and other researchers, compared data compiled from more than 2,000 medical school seniors. In 1990, 9 percent indicated that they planned to pursue training in general, Internal Medicine. But by 2007, that number had fallen to fewer than 2 percent.

Overall, the number of respondents who indicated that they planned to go into internal medicine (including general internal medicine, as well as sub-specialties and pediatrics) also declined, though less dramatically. Some 24 percent indicated this was their plan in 1990 versus 23 percent in 2007.

When exploring what could be behind the declines, researchers focused on two main factors: “workload and stress” and “opportunity for meaningful work.”

In both 1990 and 2007, some 70 percent of surveyed students reported that they believed internal medicine had higher workload and stress levels than other specialties. But when it came to perceptions of whether or not the work was meaningful, 58 percent indicated that internal medicine gave them a good chance to positively influence patients' lives while also feeling challenged, versus only 42 percent in 1990. For some reason, however, that perception didn’t translate into more students wanting to go into the field.

One possible factor, albeit one with an influence the study’s authors referred to as “complex,” could be anticipated income. “The income gap between generalist and subspecialist physicians has grown to nearly threefold,” the study’s authors write, “resulting in an income disparity of $3.5 million throughout a 40-year career.”

Ultimately, they concluded that medical schools will have to do more than improve students’ school-time experience with internal medicine in order to protect what they refer to as the “foundation of high-performing health care systems.”

They write:

Such policies include expanding scholarships and loan repayment opportunities for those choosing primary care training and practice, addressing physician work-life concerns by carefully designing patient-centered medical home models to reward visits that are not face-to-face and promote a satisfying and sustaining clinician experience, and helping primary care physicians slow the productivity treadmill by shifting away from the fee-for-service system driven by volume incentives to one driven by value incentives.
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07:36 AM on 06/04/2011
We may have a shortage of Primary Care Doctors, but I think Nurse Practitioners are stepping up to fill the gap. When looking at a Primary Care provider shortage, we need to look at ALL the providers.
07:32 AM on 06/04/2011
A great deal of the problem is coming from Internal Medicine itself. The process to maintain certification is lengthy, complicated and EXPENSIVE. Furthermore, it was developed by some "good old boys" who exempted themselves from the process and who are now out making big bucks running the review courses most Internists need in order to pass the exam.
06:13 AM on 05/24/2011
I think the number is still considerable:
For me, the primary reason is intellectual stimulation, the challenge of a career that is always changing and is intense, and that what I do is just plain fun (most of the time).

I do like to help people, and being the person that provides comfort to someone when they are most vulnerable is a good thing.

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I could make much more money doing other things, but I wouldn't be having as much fun. I'd be a good lawyer, but I had problems with the whole "selling your soul" thing....
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NotEve
Facts are of no use against the irrational
02:25 PM on 04/28/2011
The problem is the system. Our system of private insurance & medicare is designed to reward/compensate for procedure-based medicine. Its a whole lot easier to design a bill schedule around quantifiable procedures - which inherently means specialists (ie. surgical, reading radiographs, or even writing scripts) then it is for practicing medicine (disease prevention, counseling - nutritional, end of life, disease management, lifestyle, etc).

Sadly the most needed and most effective medicine is the relationship between Dr and patient. The fundamental role of the physician is as teacher - to help the patient identify the problem (or potential future problems) and then educate them so that the patient can make an informed decision regarding treatment/lifestyle. But insurance companies aren't willing to pay for that.

Don't blame the physicians, they're as much victims of the system as patients are. the only real winners are the insurance co. execs and shareholders - profiting off Drs' hard work and everyone elses' (un)health.
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10:26 PM on 04/28/2011
You're spot on.
08:59 AM on 04/28/2011
Here's a novel idea. How about having compensation be based on results? The problem with modern medicine is that there's a huge financial incentive to order tests, prescribe drugs, and perform procedures. Doctors will often say they run lots of tests to avoid being sued. Of course, they leave out the part about how it generates more income for them. At The Mayo Clinic, doctors are salaried. They don't get more money if they see more patients, order more tests, etc. Imagine going to your dermatologist to treat your acne. They could tell you to stop eating processed food including dairy. But where's the money in that? Better to tell you that food has no connection to acne and give you a prescription for Accutane. And since it only treats your acne, you have to come back for more. How convenient for the doctor who has now a steady source of revenue from some fool who can't be bothered to just clean up his diet.
02:04 PM on 04/28/2011
Mayo clinic is a great place to get medical care but:
The rarely provide primary care
They have no mercy for copays and will NEVER write off balances like local hospitals and physicians will
Mayo is very limited on insurances they accept.I had a patient they cared for, and didnt accept the insurance after they initially said the medical care was covered.The patient now has a 20,000 bill and is selling their house to pay the debt. Selling thier house at a loss I might add.
The grass is not always greener on the other side
Remember when the stock market was up President Bush wanted to privitize social security. Imagine the disaster we would have now if people put all their retirement INCLUDING SOCIAL SECURITY in the stock market in 2007-8? The financial meltdown we would have experienced would be unfathomable in addition to what has already occured
MommyMD
MD, Professor, Mom
03:02 AM on 04/29/2011
sooo fanned. Mayo is a great place to work, but is not applicable AT ALL to the rest of the US (from experience on both sides).
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wst
03:55 PM on 04/28/2011
how do you factor in the non complaint patient into the equation? doctors job is to give advice, hopefully its sound expert medial advice not swayed by profits, but the patients then have to follow that advice. penalizing doctors for poorly compliant patients shifts the burden away from patient responsabi­lity to the doctor.
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Chas53
06:42 PM on 04/30/2011
Excellent point, we need to develop incentives for patients to make themselves well.70% of costs are related to "diseases" of lifestyle.
08:43 AM on 04/28/2011
It isn't just about the higher income potential or the need to pay off massive student loans. It's also a prestige factor. Many doctors come from families of doctors or have friends who are doctors. And many of those people look down on primary care physicians. I've even heard specialists refer to it as Family Malpractice. It goes without saying that a lot of people who go into medicine are doing in part for the prestige that comes with the job title. That's why many won't settle for being a primary care doctor, internist, or pediatrician. They have to aim higher. Surgeon, radiologist, cardiologist, etc. I know a guy who's an internist and when his girlfriend's family found out that he was a doctor, they were thrilled. But then when they learned he was just an internist, they expressed disappointment. How sad is that?
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honky1234
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06:05 AM on 04/28/2011
Actually, with most medical doctors deciding that being a family physician is beneath them, nurses have stepped up and are now performing many of the duties that GP's used to do.
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SaraSH
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03:37 AM on 04/28/2011
The main reason I chose NOT TO go to the medicine route ( PhD instead) was the disgusting monopolized bow to insurance company system of USA. And btw, I am not alone. I know a brilliant MD who studied here but chose to go back to Italy and pay all his student loans ( HUGE AMOUNT) but not practice in the US. The sad irony is that in Italy, his medical education would have been free. He was telling me his first job in a hospital was equivalent to selling shoes, they warned him that he spends TOO MUCH TIME with the patients and that his rate of seeing patients/day is much lower than others! My family is used to doctors hugging us and calling our house, not like here, no one knows you, no one calls you, no one hugs you ( sexual harassment!) what is wrong with your people?
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honky1234
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06:09 AM on 04/28/2011
Fanned. Kudos for sharing that story.
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ZeraLee
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03:16 AM on 04/28/2011
The economics of medicine and health care are leading it toward failure from the perspective of the average consumer/patient. Rural medicine was only the first victim.

The high cost of a medical education all too often leaves more debt than a general practice could reasonably pay off, driving doctors to more lucrative specialties.

The present system is no longer viable. Rural medicine, general practice, family practice, geriatrics, whole areas of medicine are in decline due to the present financial structure.

Slowing the growth of health insurance premiums was only the first step in health care reform.
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cheo
better a bleeding heart than none at all
01:35 AM on 04/28/2011
Doctors, just like other college students, should be able to come out not owing a lifetime of debt. Although I do like the idea of being able to trade your schooling by working in a physician-deprived area for a few years.

I would also like to see more Doctors trained to see medicine in a more holistic way; there is no reason they shouldn't at least get more grounding in REAL nutrition and alternative healing methods which have shown proven results--such as meditation and acupuncture.
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alongst
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07:10 PM on 05/01/2011
We have enough REAL studies packed into 12 years already, thank you.
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cheo
better a bleeding heart than none at all
09:38 PM on 05/01/2011
I didn't mean you should have to add any time to your years of study. But do you really think it a bad idea that you could pay off your schooling by spending a few years in a doctor-deprived community? There are a lot of them which can't afford to attract a good clinic and it would be a win-win, no?
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cheo
better a bleeding heart than none at all
01:29 AM on 04/28/2011
What we really need is more GP's--family doctors--but until we get health care costs down, doctors are going to keep being drawn to higher paying specialties.
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hagagaga
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10:26 PM on 04/27/2011
Surgery pays more.
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NotEve
Facts are of no use against the irrational
02:27 PM on 04/28/2011
Procedures pay more - and insurance companies decide who gets paid and how much.
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bloomingdedalus
10:23 PM on 04/27/2011
Why bother making single-payer death panels when you can have free-market faith healers? They're far more effective at killing patients than doctors would be anyway.
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bloomingdedalus
10:20 PM on 04/27/2011
And those of us who wish to be physicians can't get into the club because of the immense costs and low financial aid.
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wst
03:32 PM on 04/28/2011
HHS has public health scholarships that cover books, tuition and a monthly stipend. there is a pay back involved with it, usually 4 years working in underserved area's. military does also but they are pre pay..i.e. need to serve in military and this isnt a specific medical one, although they may have one, just not aware of it, this is just gi bill type stuff.
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wst
05:18 PM on 04/28/2011
http://nhsc.hrsa.gov/
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honky1234
This is a karate dojo, not a knitting class
09:36 PM on 04/27/2011
Is it all about the money to these doctors?

Perhaps they would be better suited to being attorneys.
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hagagaga
You can't take the sky from me.
10:27 PM on 04/27/2011
Bad idea for that too...MBA is for those people.
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Boston Doc
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11:29 PM on 04/27/2011
So... In your universe, I should excel academically in undergrad, undergo extremely strenuous training for a decade, sink quarter of million of $$$ in debt, and then NOT BE COMPENSATED? What is a fair compensation for doctors according to you?
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12:11 AM on 04/28/2011
Many do it all the time except they spend more time in school and are compensated less. Their called Ph.D. holders (granted the loans are a little less). Why should your high salary be a "right" but not for PhD holders who work harder for them.
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11:07 AM on 04/29/2011
You continue to validate the above response you are replying to. You do it only for the money. Sad indeed.

"Ph.D. is a degree. Doctor (NOT simply MD) is a profession­. Cannot compare these two"

Sure you can. I was comparing the work involved to attain the "degrees". You assert that it would be considered ridiculous to work hard for a degree and not be compensated to the maximum capacity. This is a ridiculous position and belittles those that do work hard(er) for their "degree" and are not as equally compensated as you.