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247 People On Terror Watch List Bought Guns In U.S. Last Year

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EILEEN SULLIVAN   04/28/11 03:12 AM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — More than 200 people suspected of ties to terrorism bought guns in the U.S. last year legally, FBI figures show.

The 247 people who were allowed to buy weapons did so after going through required background checks as required by federal law.

It is not illegal for people listed on the government's terror watch list to buy weapons. For years, that has bothered Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., who is trying again to change the law to keep weapons out of the hands of terrorists.

The secret, fluid nature of the terror watch list has made closing what Lautenberg calls a "terror gap" in the nation's gun laws a challenge. About the same number of people suspected of ties to terrorism also successfully purchased guns in the U.S. in 2009. The FBI provided the new numbers to the Government Accountability Office, Congress' investigative arm, and the figures were obtained by The Associated Press.

The government can only prevent people from buying guns for any of 11 reasons. Convicted felons and illegal immigrants, for example, cannot buy weapons. But the terrorist watch list is different. People become convicted felons only after a court process and an opportunity to defend themselves. The watch list is secret and generated at the government's discretion. It is not a list of people convicted of terrorism crimes.

The list of about 450,000 people includes suspected members of al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations, terror financiers, terror recruiters and people who attended training camps. People's names are added to and removed from the watch list every day, and most people never know whether they're on it.

Lautenberg and two dozen other members of Congress want the attorney general to have the authority to prevent someone on the terror watch list from buying a gun if the attorney general believes that person will use it in a terrorist act. The Justice Department under both the Bush and Obama administrations has supported this effort.

"This is a homeland security issue, not a gun issue, and there's no reason we shouldn't be able to stop a terrorist from buying a dangerous weapon in the United States," Lautenberg told the AP.

Between February 2004 and December 2010, 1,453 people on the terror watch list have attempted to buy firearms or explosives. Of those, 90 percent of the people were allowed to go through with their purchases. There is no public information about anyone on the watch list who was allowed to buy a firearm using it in a crime.

The National Rifle Association, which wields significant political influence in Washington, is opposed to a law that would give the attorney general the authority to deny someone on the watch list the ability to buy a firearm. NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said the watch list lacks integrity and includes law-abiding citizens who are mistaken as having ties to terrorists.

"We think it's wrong to arbitrarily deny a law-abiding person a constitutional right," he said. Further, he said, the NRA does not think a political appointee, such as the attorney general, should have the discretionary authority to decide that someone on the watch list is so dangerous that he should not be allowed to buy a gun. Arulanandam said if a terrorist is legitimately on the watch list, that person should be arrested, prosecuted and punished.

President Barack Obama has steered clear of politically sensitive gun-control issues. But the Justice Department would support a bill that would help prevent terrorists from getting firearms.

"The department is committed to doing everything within its power to keep firearms out of the hands of persons who may intend to use those weapons to commit terrorist acts," Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd said. "To the extent Congress wishes to provide the department with additional tools that would improve the status quo, we remain committed to working with them to achieve that goal."

Every time someone tries to buy a gun in the U.S., the background checks include the terror watch list. When there is a match, the information is shared with the FBI case agent who is leading the terrorism investigation, according to a counterterrorism official who spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss the process.

To deny all people on the watch list from purchasing a weapon would mean the government would have to tell someone he or she is on the list. A person who knows he is on a watch list could change his behavior or even his identity to avoid detection, the official said.

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fdrrules
10:05 AM on 06/08/2011
For once in their lives the NRA got it right.With our enhanced spying on America any group that goes against established US policy is labeled a terrorirst organization.Peace groups that want to end our totally worhtless wars are put on the terrorist list.animal rights groups are terrorist.The rght wing which wants to overtrow America are not terrorist
11:45 AM on 05/26/2011
It would be unethical, impractical, and unconstitutional to use the TWL to prevent people from buying firearms. Read more here:

http://conlaw-bloganon.blogspot.com/
03:55 PM on 05/02/2011
Removal of someone's civil rights without any attempt at due process? A politicians wet dream in the making. I wish I could put my enemy's name down on a secret list and then use said list to deny them the right to own a gun. Maybe I could use the list to deny them the right to speak freely, have an attorney in court, force them to house soldiers in their homes, ..........
10:45 AM on 04/30/2011
"Lautenberg and two dozen other members of Congress want the attorney general to have the authority to prevent someone on the terror watch list from buying a gun if the attorney general believes that person will use it in a terrorist act. "

If those on the list are terrorists why would it just be alright to allow them to continue to roam free in public, build bombs, and obtain intel in light of the fact that they are deemed too dangerous to be trusted with a gun?
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
01:41 AM on 04/30/2011
Because terrorists use the internet, social networking sites, and email to coordinate their activities, spread their messages, and recruit new members, anyone who is on the terror watch lists is allowed allowed access to computers or the internet.

Because cell phones can be used as detonators and trigger devices for IEDs and can be used to access social networking sites, the internet, email, and to send text messages, anyone who is on the terror watch lists is allowed to have access to cell phones.
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Gun Banner Too
Violence Policy Advocate
12:49 PM on 04/29/2011
Congratulations to the NRA for more mayhem in the streets due to watched terrorists buying guns. Next they’ll support the unfettered proliferation of arms by the unwatched ones. Stop the GUNS!

http://tinyurl.com/4k346he
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Iconcoclast
complicated laws are opportunities for scoundrels
08:32 PM on 04/30/2011
heh. Thanks for providing my laugh for the day. I appreciate it.
10:09 AM on 06/08/2011
What "mayhem in the streets" are you referring to, exactly ?
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rcozad
Manufacturers Representative Electronics Industry
11:58 AM on 04/29/2011
Arizona refuses to enforce a background check or to report those few that are done. I'm think now that given our financial woes ( caused by strict adherence to Grover Nordquest tax ideology) Jan brewer may well look upon the 247 gun buyers as a potential growth market for Arizona tourism.
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Old Jarhead
F-4. The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics
12:17 PM on 04/29/2011
What do you mean, when you say "Arizona refuses to enforce a background check or to report those few that are done."? Arizona has no part in the background checks which MUST be performed by licensed FFL dealers. It is a federal requirement, and AZ has no authority to let anyone neglect this law. Perhaps you are misunderstanding that the state of AZ is not required to perform a background check, and doesn't have to report them, regardless.
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12:37 PM on 04/29/2011
Perhaps the poster assumes that a background check which can be passed by homicidal psychopaths such as Loughner isn't being enforced, and that Arizona, a state which proudly endorses gun proliferation, is somehow culpable.
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rcozad
Manufacturers Representative Electronics Industry
12:53 PM on 04/29/2011
Arizona refuses to comply with federal laws and has a broad definition of the term "gun show " that escapes the background check requirement!
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
01:33 PM on 04/29/2011
What federal laws concerning the purchase of firearms is Arizona NOT enforcing?
Semper fi
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Old Jarhead
F-4. The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics
02:24 PM on 04/29/2011
Every FFL dealer that sells a firearm at a gun show in AZ is required by federal law to have an ATF Form 4473 filled out by the prospective purchaser, and pass a NICS check. AZ has no authority to allow anyone to circumvent this law.
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danusgram
aww the flowers of spring are the best
10:46 AM on 04/29/2011
let me get this straight a person with a criminal record or bad checks can't purchase a gun but a person that is on a terrorist watch list can..what the h3// is wrong with this picture!!!!!!!
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
11:16 AM on 04/29/2011
As entires upon the "terror watch list" are compiled in secret and those listed are offered neither due process nor means of appeal, utilization of such a list as a basis for abridgment of Constitutionally protected liberties is unreasonable and illegal.
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Old Jarhead
F-4. The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics
11:18 AM on 04/29/2011
Meet Mikey Hicks. He has been on the terrorist watch list since he was 2.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-6096640-504083.html

The watch list is just that. A watch list, which seems to have no standards established as to the why or how an individuals name is placed onto the list, and has no published way to have a name removed, unless you are a politician, like Ted Kennedy, has no judicial review, and has been proven to be riddled with errors. And now you think this "list" would be a good vehicle to use to abridge the constitutional rights of citizens who have committed no crimes, and who may just accidentally have a name similar to a real terrorist?
01:23 AM on 04/29/2011
Well okay, just as long as they didn't bring any toenail clippers onto an airplane.
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tbmuscg70
A son of the trackless forest
11:46 PM on 04/28/2011
A big magnifying glass needs to be brought to bear on the BATF and their failed scheme that ended in the death of a border patrol agen and some civilians.
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hagagaga
You can't take the sky from me.
11:44 AM on 04/29/2011
ATF needs to lose all their funding and be completely ended. The economy and our freedom can't take it.
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tbmuscg70
A son of the trackless forest
11:36 PM on 04/28/2011
I think we need to review the BATF's failed progran of making owners Of FFL's to allow purchases of firearms to questionable people in order to try to trace the path of said firearms across the Mexican border. They wanted to trace the path of illegal firearms by pushing legal FFL owners to allow questional firearms sales. This ill founded plan ended in the death of a border patrol agent and some civilians. The BATF will have some answering to do at the upcoming hearings help by Mr. Grassly
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Connor Wisnom
11:19 PM on 04/28/2011
my family was put on the terror watch list back in 2004 when i was 12 because my dad, who is an accomplished businessman, accidentally brought 2 knives with him to the airport. they were good ones too :( . point is, if they put a 12 year old boy, 2 twin girls age 7, an upstanding businessman who has never had trouble with the police before, and a mother of 3 on the terror watch list, then this statistic is full of crap. and yes, my dad and i have bought 3 guns in the past 7 years, so we might as well be on this list. go spin your liberal BS somewhere else please.
11:15 PM on 04/28/2011
The NRA, fighting to arm terrorists!
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HisXLNC
No.
04:09 AM on 04/29/2011
If these people are terrorists and we have their names on a list, why don't we go arrest them whenever they buy a gun?
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
09:39 AM on 04/29/2011
ScorpioTop is a known liar.  Claims issued by ScorpioTop are not credible.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
09:39 AM on 04/29/2011
I am curious: for what reason are you lying?
06:22 PM on 04/29/2011
Why are you lying? The article states: "The National Rifle Association, which wields significant political influence in Washington, is opposed to a law that would give the attorney general the authority to deny someone on the watch list the ability to buy a firearm. NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said the watch list lacks integrity and includes law-abiding citizens who are mistaken as having ties to terrorists.". Isn't that fighting to arm terrorists?
chinchilla
They say I need to write something here.
10:49 PM on 04/28/2011
"It is not illegal for people listed on the government's terror watch list to buy weapons." But it is illegal for them to fly on a plane.

I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing at the id1ocy of the US.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
12:19 AM on 04/29/2011
You are confusing the terror watch lists (there are about 13) and the No-Fly List. They are not the same things.
chinchilla
They say I need to write something here.
12:29 PM on 04/29/2011
Nope, just both completely stup1d.

All these terror lists and they don't even jive 90% of the time.

Some "Homeland Security". They can't even agree who the "terrorists" are.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
09:40 AM on 04/29/2011
Please explain, specifically, why not utilizing a demonstrably erroneous and secretly compiled list as a basis for abridging a Constitutionally protected liberty with neither due process nor means of appeal is demonstrative of "id1ocy".
chinchilla
They say I need to write something here.
10:10 AM on 04/29/2011
Because that same "demonstrab­ly erroneous and secretly compiled list as a basis for abridging a Constituti­onally protected liberty with neither due process nor means of appeal" is used to prevent people from acting in other Constitutionally valid ways.