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Black Box Found From Air France Crash

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05/ 1/11 03:04 PM ET   AP

PARIS -- Investigators have located and recovered the missing memory unit of the flight data recorder of a 2009 Air France flight – a remarkable deep-sea discovery they hope will explain why the aircraft went down in a remote area of the mid-Atlantic, killing all 228 people on board.

France's air accident investigation agency BEA said a search by a submarine probing 3,900 meters (12,800 feet) below the ocean's surface located and recovered the unit Sunday morning. The unit is now aboard the Ile de Sein, a ship that's helping conduct the probe, the statement said.

The statement also included photos of the recorder – a red cylinder partially buried in sand on the sea floor. Judging from the photos, the unit appeared to be in good condition.

Still, BEA officials have warned that the recordings may yet prove unusable, considering the pressure they were subjected to for nearly two years.

"We can't say in advance that we're going to be able to read it until it's been opened," a BEA spokeswoman told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. She did not give her name in accordance with her agency's policy.

Last month, the agency said the undersea search had identified the "chassis" that had held the recorder, but the memory unit was still missing. Detached from the chassis, the memory unit was found nearby, the spokeswoman said.

The flight data recorder stores technical data from the flight. Another so-called "black box" records cockpit conversations. The second black box has not yet been found, but the submarine probes were continuing, the spokeswoman said.

Investigators hope Sunday's remarkable discovery will allow them to determine what caused the June 1, 2009 crash of Flight 447 from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, to the French capital, Paris. The aircraft slammed into the Atlantic northeast of Brazil after running into an intense high-altitude thunderstorm.

Automatic messages sent by the Airbus 330's computers showed it was receiving false air speed readings from sensors known as pitot tubes. Investigators have said the crash was likely caused by a series of problems, and not just sensor error.

The crash site was so remote and in such a deep area of the Atlantic that two previous undersea operations failed to turn up the bulk of the wreckage. The latest search – the fourth – was targeting an area of about 3,900 square miles (10,000 square kilometers), several hundred miles off Brazil's northeastern coast.

Searchers were using up to three autonomous underwater search vehicles, each of which can stay underwater for up to 20 hours while using sonar to scan a mountainous area known as the Mid-Ocean Ridge. Researchers download the data, and a vehicle with a high resolution camera is sent to check out an area if scientists see evidence of debris.

In early April, French officials said the operation had succeeded in finding most of the Airbus jet, including its motors. Bodies of some of the victims were also discovered.

Determining the cause of the crash took on new importance in March, when a French judge filed preliminary manslaughter charges against Air France and planemaker Airbus.

Air France and Airbus are financing the estimated $12.5 million cost of the latest search effort, but the French government is to fund the retrieval effort. About $28 million has already been spent on the three previous searches for the jet's wreckage.

Experts have said that without retrieving the voice and data recorders there would be almost no chance of determining what caused the crash – the worst disaster in Air France's history.

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Associated Press reporter Laurent Lemel in Paris contributed to this report.

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10:37 AM on 05/02/2011
The cause is clear. Gravity.
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
08:13 AM on 05/02/2011
What an amazing technical achievement.
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Rimser
07:20 AM on 05/02/2011
Good news!
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ebanks84
Grandma knows best!
07:19 AM on 05/02/2011
I hope they have solid proof that this really was Bin Laden because I'm sure Trump-like character is going to want it for verification. Nothing surprises me in this country.
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mech126
Science, and government are "NOT" the enemy...
03:52 AM on 05/02/2011
This is good news, all we can do is hope it has the answers we need.......
03:43 AM on 05/02/2011
I sincerely hope the needed answers can be found from the flight recorder. So far it's theory it was the pitot tube but not 100% certainty. I flew on an identical AF airbus from Spain to Paris on the way back to the states 6 weeks before that crash and have been afraid to fly on an airbus ever since.
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dutchman
Two wheels good; four wheels bad.
04:21 AM on 05/02/2011
How do you feel about 737s?
04:36 AM on 05/02/2011
I don't relish the thought of flying at all anymore and I used to fly a lot. Trips don't seem worth the hassle or stress and I've pretty much been to all the places I've wanted to see. BTW, most of my trips have been international or coast to coast and rarely on a 737. I preferred non-stops when possible.
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Jack Daniels Esq
Hold the ice
02:56 AM on 05/02/2011
Unfortunately the frogs (BEA) are famous for fudging - the Air New Zealand case comes to mind - Every pilot with a modicum of sense knows why the aircraft was distressed - its system simply got away from it whilst nobody was watching the hen house - which is not to say that the crew might even have been able to save it. The flight deck software is flawed - witness Ethiad fiasco on the ground in pre-delivery - the mantra from EADS is to have the aircraft flight deck software so dumbed down that third world noobs & illiterates can fly it - to hell.

The world knows the frogs are guilty - can the frogs embrace the truth ....?
01:36 AM on 05/02/2011
As I recall, the tail section was found 12 miles from the debris field. AF also was getting some kind of telemetry data that displayed widely varying airspeeds. I wonder if, like the AA A-300 disaster out of JFK they'll find that one of the crew members was using full-throw rudder inputs. (I still believe the rudder inputs occurred AFTER tail separation) At FL 350 the two AF crew members at the controls likely had their seats reclined and their feet up - NOT on the rudder pedals. SO - if the rudder separated from the aircraft and directional control was lost, wouldn't it be logical that, with the aircraft flat spinning AF would see widely varying airspeeds as the pitot tubes, CADC, and all the other sensors would send those numbers? I also believe the AF A330 engines were found some distance from the wreckage - separating due to gyroscopic forces encountered in the spin. I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I think there are significant structural problems with the widebody airbus aircraft and the connection of the carbon fiber parts to metal. A bad finding might result in grounding many aircraft, something far more expensive than paying families in a law suit. IMHO
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03:20 AM on 05/02/2011
Wow, I thought I'm the only one to have had that logic since the crash occurred. Incredibly, you described all my views and predictions. Nevertheless, let's hope that we find out soon what actually caused this disaster
01:14 AM on 05/02/2011
Does anyone else think the flight recorder picture looks like a can of budweiser? thats why i clicked on the article....
12:49 AM on 05/02/2011
congratulations, a giant step in preventing future accident.
12:43 AM on 05/02/2011
I remembered this tragedy during the Wee hours of June 1st 2009. Let us hope that the Black box can give us some insight about this disaster. May their souls rest in peace.
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dutchman
Two wheels good; four wheels bad.
04:22 AM on 05/02/2011
Thank you.
12:22 AM on 05/02/2011
This is a powerful plane, that Airbus is still producing and selling in large numbers, so it's very important to confirm and not just speculate how it went down. It was amazing to me how they ruled out terrorism as a cause before they could find the black box. There was a bomb threat on an Air France flight that took off just 2 days before this accident from Buenos Aires to Paris. I am so pleased they finally found the BBox
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Rude Monk
No God can stop a hungry man
12:50 AM on 05/02/2011
How convenient.They find the bboxes when the judge was ready to pass a verdict against the corporations.
Wanna bet they already had the recorders and were sitting on them?
They already know why the plane went down.It exploded mid air.
The only way to find out the truth from the official suits is to remember that is exactly the opposite of what they're saying.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
01:39 AM on 05/02/2011
The time to appoint investigators is when there is an increased amount to investigate.
It definitely did not explode in mid-air. That much is clear from the debris found floating. just after the accident.
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03:14 AM on 05/02/2011
Truth!
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Tristan9
12:21 AM on 05/02/2011
to all American sheeple who beleive everything their government tells them to beleive. Osama has been dead for years. Years. You have been jobbed,gamed,conned and fooled. It is oh so easy to do. ITs called propaganda.
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studmoose
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12:47 AM on 05/02/2011
Great... Another Truther / Birther
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scottymac11
Facta non verba
12:56 AM on 05/02/2011
Truthers/Birthers/ now Deathers
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Rude Monk
No God can stop a hungry man
12:57 AM on 05/02/2011
We're not as dumb as you think.Just do a youtube search on "benazr bhutto interview" and that was out for a while.
The question is how can you hold a body fresh for so long.Or maybe that poor actor they were using for video taping at the "company" tried to run away.
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Tristan9
12:19 AM on 05/02/2011
Found the black boxes from 9/11 yet? No? From none of the planes? Not one? Got fish?
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ArChiMi
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12:22 AM on 05/02/2011
Are you saying you don't know how those planes went down?
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Cunningham
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12:36 AM on 05/02/2011
Are you having a difficult time comprehending what he wrote?
01:03 AM on 05/02/2011
actually a very fair question , reason are numerous ,we all know they were crashed into the tower , we need to know the circumstances that lead to it . How is it possible that all the floors below the crash simply vaporized and turned to dust,steel and concrete , there was little concrete slabs only , I did not see homeless man hauling away scrap metal in a shopping cart, did you , there is more to 9/11 than we will ever know. Why for instance it took month to cool down the core .....all fair question , However in the case of the Air France Crash the French did not take maybe , perhaps or no for an answer to this crash , that is highly commendable. knowing it is an extremely difficult terrain at several {imagine turning upside down the rocky moutain chain and flood it under thousanmds feet of water . a daunting task .
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studmoose
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12:54 AM on 05/02/2011
PBS reported that the black boxes were recovered from the Pentagon and in PA, not at WTC.
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frank1946
Tell the Truth
12:18 AM on 05/02/2011
Computer control can be a source of trouble for all airplanes, when they recieve faulty
data or errors caused by physical events they can operate the aircraft in disasterous
responses !
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HowietheScreamer
Yes yes, I know my Micro bio is still empty
01:00 AM on 05/02/2011
Airbus' flight controls philosophy is that the computer knows more than the pilot, and the computer can override the pilots commands. Makes you leery of the phrase Garbage in Garbage out, eh?