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Credit Card Executives Optimistic In Face Of Looming Dodd-Frank Rules

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First Posted: 05/02/11 07:32 PM ET Updated: 07/02/11 06:12 AM ET

MIAMI BEACH, Florida (Maria Aspan) For the first time in years, credit card executives are looking beyond the losses of the financial crisis -- and they're even losing less sleep over the prospect of tighter government oversight.

Losses from credit defaults keep falling, an explosion in smartphone payment systems and other technology has raised the prospect of new long-term revenue growth, and executives now believe they can mitigate the effects of the latest regulatory overhaul of the U.S. card industry.

"I am optimistic ... Nothing has been done that can't be rolled back quickly," longtime credit card executive Stephen Eulie said in an interview last week.

Eulie, who has worked at JPMorgan Chase & Co and Citigroup Inc, is now the head of First National Bank of Omaha's card unit, which runs credit card programs for companies, including Chrysler Group LLC.

He spoke to Reuters last week on the sidelines of an annual credit card industry conference hosted by the publisher, SourceMedia. As in recent years, much of the conference was dominated by discussion about new regulation -- from the lingering effects of a sweeping credit card law passed in 2009, to the so-called Durbin amendment to last year's Dodd-Frank financial reform law.

That provision would slash processing fees merchants pay banks every time a customer uses a debit card to buy something. The fee cuts would cost U.S. banks an estimated $13 billion in annual revenues under rules the Federal Reserve proposed in December.

U.S. banks are also struggling to grow other sources of revenue, as consumers resist adding to their credit card balances. Revolving consumer credit fell at an annual rate of 4.1 percent, to $794 billion, in February, according to Fed data.

Now banks are increasingly looking to new technology, such as mobile phone and ecommerce payments, to grow businesses in developing countries where people do not regularly use credit and debit cards.

Citigroup and American Express Co executives emphasized those opportunities at the conference, using their keynote speeches to discuss new types of payments technology instead of regulation.

"We need to figure out ways in which we can grow our business in a way that aligns with what Durbin's rules are," former Citigroup credit cards chief Paul Galant, who now runs a new payments group for the bank, told Reuters in an interview.

"The cards businesses are incredibly vibrant and power virtually all of us today. These businesses are not going to disappear because of a single law."

CLOUDS CLEARING

The Fed was supposed to finalize its rules on debit fee limits a week before the conference, but said in March it needed more time to sort through an overwhelming number of comments on its proposals.

The delay has given some bankers and credit card executives hope a broad industry campaign in Washington to repeal or delay the debit fee cuts will ultimately be successful. Opponents of the crackdown are pushing for a vote soon on a proposal from Senator Jon Tester that would delay the rule for two years.

While "the odds are looking better for a DC fix, I don't think it's something that can be relied upon by the industry, because there are so many procedural hurdles" in Congress, Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Frisch said during a panel discussion at the conference.

Key Republican lawmaker Representative Spencer Bachus urged hundreds of small U.S. banks on Monday to "slay the dragons" when they battle Congress over the debit fee crackdown.

The debit card fee restrictions are only part of a slew of regulation affecting the payments industry since 2009. A sweeping credit card law passed that year restricted the fees and interest rate changes that lenders could levy on their customers.

The Dodd-Frank law of last year also created a new consumer financial protection bureau that is expected to further scrutinize consumer lending practices.

Yet the atmosphere -- and attendance -- at the annual conference was the sunniest in years. About 750 bank employees, consultants and vendors descended on the Fontainebleau resort in Miami Beach, sipping pineapple-flavored water and sharing post-panel cocktails on a patio overlooking the ocean.

The crowd included employees of Bank of America Corp, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, American Express, MasterCard Inc and Visa Inc, as well as other large U.S. lenders and networks.

It was the conference's best attendance since 2008, when consumers started losing their jobs -- and stopped paying credit card bills -- in record numbers. As losses surged during the financial crisis, few lenders could afford either the expense or the reputation of sending employees to hobnob at a beach resort with the size and opulence of a French chateau.

But last week those employees were eager to talk about new business -- and to trade tips for recouping the revenue losses of whatever regulations are finalized. Banks, including JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America, have already started discontinuing perks on debit cards or added fees to checking account services that were once free.

As one conference attendee said, the industry is no longer focusing just on how to stop regulations: "Now it's, 'How do we get around it?'"

The shares of the top six credit card lenders were mixed on Monday, with American Express shares closing up about 1.2 percent and Citigroup closing down about 2.2 percent. (Reporting by Maria Aspan; editing by Andre Grenon)

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MIAMI BEACH, Florida (Maria Aspan) For the first time in years, credit card executives are looking beyond the losses of the financial crisis -- and they're even losing less sleep over the prospect...
MIAMI BEACH, Florida (Maria Aspan) For the first time in years, credit card executives are looking beyond the losses of the financial crisis -- and they're even losing less sleep over the prospect...
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07:55 AM on 05/04/2011
Most of the card companies are headquartered in Sioux Falls, South Dakota where downtown is block after block of high rise bank buildings from nearly every bank you can think of.
Why?
South Dakota is the one state that allows extortionate interest rates on credit cards.
So when you complain about credit card ripoffs, be sure to include John Thunes home state of South Dakota...the credit card capitol of the world.
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Julia Bailey
10:38 AM on 05/04/2011
Wells Fargo is the only one of the big four in South Dakota. Chase is in NY, B of A Virginia, etc. Not hard to do a little google search before you post.
12:09 PM on 05/04/2011
MOST of the card companies. are in Sioux Falls, nothing in the comment about the big four...read the post before you comment and I will also assume you are a SD resident.
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nkurland
I'm going to leave this planet alive
01:26 AM on 05/04/2011
Considering how loathe corporate America is to any sort of regulatory constraints, you know a law is toothless when industry executives are stating "Nothing has been done that can't be rolled back quickly." The CARD Act and Dodd-Frank were exactly what they appeared to be for the credit card industry: modest constraints preserving the supposed rights of the industry to rip people off with 30% interest rates.
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cdecisneros
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05:12 PM on 05/03/2011
What 1024 minus 1024. 0 right? Well according to chase the answer is 6.38. Even though I paid it off. That is the first time that I pay off a balance and still end up owing money. That has never happened to me before. I owed Regions $500.00. I paid them $500.00. What was the balance?: That is right 0.00. Needless to say I did not pay the $6.38. I called them and invited them to have sex with themselves. They "as a courtesy" agreed to wave the 6.38. They explained to me how customer often think that just because they paid off the entire balance they think that they do not owe any more money but that they are wrong. Can you imagine the nerve.
11:17 PM on 05/03/2011
Oh yeah...THAT scam! Where they add a small bit after you pay the balance, then try to roll it over and over...Good for you! I also invited a bank representative to engage in enthusiastic sexual activity with themselves after they tried to pull that crap on me...but how many sheep just roll over and pay it?
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Julia Bailey
10:40 AM on 05/04/2011
The balance on your statement does not include the interest from the time of the statement to when you pay. If you pay it all off the first month, you don't pay this interest. If you're paying off a balance that was not from new charges, they will charge you.
They will nickle and dime you to death.
Best thing - pay it off every month and never, ever carry a balance.
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robnelsong
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02:46 PM on 05/03/2011
"Key Republican lawmaker Representative Spencer Bachus urged hundreds of small U.S. banks on Monday to "slay the dragons" when they battle Congress over the debit fee crackdown."

I hope that the voters in this guy's Congressional district remember his words on election day. His "constituents" are the banks, not the average citizens.
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nypapajoe
10:38 AM on 05/03/2011
Their perversity has no bounds! These people are sociopathic and live by the code of Greed! The pendulum will swing in favor of the People in years to come because it always does! So feast on you Beasts, enjoy your bounties for the days of wonton greed will surely come to pass!
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08:08 AM on 05/03/2011
Cutting my cards as we speak.
07:14 AM on 05/03/2011
A BID TO PURCHASE THE UNIVERSE

A meeting of financial services
At one of Wall Street’s biggest banks:
A banker said, “The saints preserve us, His
Anger will have us walking planks.
Before He does this my proposal
Is that we place at His disposal
A buyout offer, don’t applaud,
Since we’ve more money than the God.”
This motion raised some wild excitement
Because it was a stratagem
Would make them all crème de la crème.
And, too, this was the real incitement:
As Masters of the Universe,
Then nothing they did was perverse.

See more at http://poemsonaffairsofstate.blogspot.com/
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EuropeWindAndFire
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06:55 AM on 05/03/2011
Getting you hooked on credit: free!
Finding loopholes to empty your pockets: priceless...
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kamact
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12:58 AM on 05/03/2011
The TBTF financial terrorists at work taking your money
08:18 PM on 05/02/2011
Just tell them NO America, we do not want or need 'their' cards.
WE have the power if we would just stop being so self absorbed and thinking we need everything we see and show the CC companies exactly what we think of them.
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09:20 PM on 05/02/2011
Right on.
07:33 AM on 05/03/2011
So what I'm hearing is that you want people to spend LESS that what they MAKE...take care of NEEDS first and WANTS later.

What a novel idea...to bad it will NOT catch on by the majority. They're too busy complaining about what they DON'T have.
01:26 PM on 05/03/2011
It scares me to know that you're right ...
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There has got to be a better way!
07:41 PM on 05/02/2011
As one conference attendee said, the industry is no longer focusing just on how to stop regulations: "Now it's, 'How do we get around it?'"

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Of course. We always knew that was their attitude. Now they are brazen enough to admit it openly. And with people like Timothy Geithner on their side, the Republican House wanting to roll back regulations and Republican governors to do their bidding, they know they can get their way. After all, the House will not fund a strong regulatory agency.

There is really only one way to handle them. Get rid of the shills in the White House staff who are banking lobbyists and replace people in regulatory agencies that are industry-friendly with populists. Oh, and either pack the Supreme Court with extra liberal members to bring balance back (we could have a 15-member Court!), or somehow retire the conservative justices. Early retirement for most of the conservative members of the Roberts Court looks increasingly attractive.

Yes, the Credit Card executives are upbeat. They believe they can beat the system -- and *be* the system. Unfortunately I think they are probably right.