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Peter Thiel's College Bubble Theory Gains Few Believers

First Posted: 05/03/2011 6:13 pm Updated: 07/03/2011 5:12 am

NEW YORK -- The average college graduate leaves school with $24,000 in debt and one in 10 are unable to find work of any kind. By year's end, student loan debt is predicted to surpass the trillion dollar mark.

Since the Second World War, Americans have grown accustomed to taking on debt to finance their future. It was part of the mobility associated with the American Dream -- a college education, a job, a house.

Much like the housing bubble, when home buyers took on outsized mortgages they were either lured into or which they knew they could ill afford, all in the service of realizing the American Dream of homeownership, students today are struggling with piles of educational debt assumed in service of a similar goal -- the American Dream of a college education.

According to the College Board, 70 years ago there were 1.5 million students enrolled at American universities. By 2006, that figure had swelled to more than 20 million. Meanwhile, the cost of tuition has grown steadily higher. Over the past 25 years, college tuition and fees have risen three times as fast as individual family income. And over the past decade, tuition has increased at a rate of 5.6 percent per year beyond the rate of general inflation.

Recently, with tuition costs rising and debt levels increasing, the skepticism has reached a boiling point.

Amid this backdrop, a Silicon Valley-based venture capitalist named Peter Thiel has inserted himself in a debate about whether a college bubble exists.

Thiel, a co-founder of PayPal and an early investor in Facebook, created the Thiel Foundation, which last fall issued a radical declaration: It would give 20 people under the age of 20 $100,000 to drop out of school and become not just tech entrepreneurs, but world-changing visionaries.

Hundreds applied to be among the first 20 fellows; the winners will be announced during the second half of May.

Not unlike other foundations funded by one deep-pocketed source, Thiel uses it as a platform from which to espouse his particular worldview.

Namely, Thiel believes that a lack of innovation will result in long-term economic stagnation. He also argues that the housing bubble, which inflated the real estate market and sent prices soaring and finally crashing back to Earth, now threatens to dismantle higher education.

“A true bubble is when something is overvalued and intensely believed,” explained Thiel during a recent interview with TechCrunch. “Education may be the only thing people still believe in in the United States. To question education is really dangerous. It is the absolute taboo. It’s like telling the world there’s no Santa Claus.”

Thiel’s slant has infuriated some, and emboldened others. But is he right? 

Many scholars don’t buy the bubble theory as it concerns higher education.

“It’s not really a bubble and the main reason it’s not a bubble is because college isn’t a tradable commodity. You can’t flip a higher education,” said Fabio Rojas, a professor of sociology at Indiana University who studies higher education. “Also, unlike a house, once you have college debt, you can’t get rid of it by walking away or selling the underlying asset. You have to work it off.”

Mark Kantrowitz, who publishes Fastweb.com and FinAid.org, also sees but a superficial parallel between the housing and education bubble.

“A lot of people are saying there’s a big higher education bubble and that it’s going to burst,” said Kantrowitz. “And they’re just plain wrong.”

Kantrowitz worries not of one bubble bursting but of several smaller bubbles rupturing -- particularly in the increased amount of debt that students are willing to undertake in order to finance a dream school they can’t really afford.

“If you’re up to your eyebrows in debt and you borrow more than twice your starting salary, you’re at a very high risk of defaulting on your loans,” Kantrowitz said. Specifically, he advises that a graduate going into a field that pays a starting salary of $40,000 shouldn’t be taking out more than $40,000 in loans.

Despite unemployment rates that are twice the levels they were a few years ago, college graduates still fare better than high school graduates. Still, while many conclude that college is the best investment you can make, there are no guarantees on your return.

Frederick Hess, an education policy analyst at the American Enterprise Institute, cautions that a larger force may be at work. “We’re coming out of this incredibly privileged half-century. For better or worse, students can no longer spend a lot of money for four years of college and just assume that they’ll be entitled to start a comfortable, well-paying job. Those days may well be over.”

Pushing more and more graduates into a weak labor market isn’t the answer, either.

“If everyone went to college there’d be no rewards of going to college,” said Shamus Khan, a professor of sociology at Columbia University. “The universal push to college isn’t the answer if there aren’t enough jobs.”

But everyone dropping out of college also won't fix it. Khan sees Thiel’s argument as inherently elitist. For instance, for every tech entrepreneur who quit college and made millions of dollars, Khan can point to tens of millions who didn’t. “It’s a little fresh for those very, very wealthy people to say that college isn’t necessary when they’ve been part of the huge evisceration of the middle class.”

Anthony Carnevale, a professor and director of Georgetown University’s Center on Education and the Workforce, has heard this tune before. Specifically, he finds the college bubble theory particularly persuasive during periods of economic decline.

"It’s a bubble to the extent that during a recession when it rains hard enough and long enough that everyone’s going to get a little wet,” said Carnevale. He believes the length and depth of the current recession makes the notion that a college degree is essentially worthless all the more persuasive. “But higher education is still the best umbrella under which to wait out a storm, no matter how long the current storm lasts.”

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01:25 PM on 05/11/2011
“It’s not really a bubble and the main reason it’s not a bubble is because college isn’t a tradable commodity. You can’t flip a higher education.”

What an odd nit-picky way of looking at it. Education is a bubble because it's an investment that's widely believed to be more valuable than it is, and is thus over-valued and over-priced.

“Also, unlike a house, once you have college debt, you can’t get rid of it by walking away or selling the underlying asset. You have to work it off.”

Or simply be unable or unwilling to pay it back because your "investment" hasn't paid off as promised. Because it was over-valued.
11:43 AM on 05/06/2011
Well, that's life. This debt with unmarketable degrees is a long time in the making. Hell, I remember local public universities adding degree programs way back in 1995 because students demanded it (like Norse Mythology, and Community Studies) along with many already worthless degrees (Classics, English Lit, Philosophy).

When college loan programs questioned the value of these new programs in the job market, students/professors of the new programs screamed and protested till the loan people just threw their hands up and stated "Whatever, you have to pay them back".

Then private colleges realized they could milk people for student loans while promising big rewards, while not really proving any economic benefits. The regulations were already repealed, and if anyone questioned it they could protest it as taking the freedoms away from students. Loan payers were happy either way, the government forced students to pay loans back.

Now students are complaining about all this debt for useless degrees, but when people try and regulate it to make sure it doesn't happen...the students scream against it. Education itself is not the problem, it's the overly simplistic idea that any education gets people in the good life...from when there was extremely few degree programs after WW2. Now people can't seem to cope with the reality of looking after graduation for what they are going to do with the degree, and how much it is going to cost.
09:29 AM on 05/05/2011
Yeah. Wait until next year when these college graduates, who drank the Hope and Change kool-aid, are stuck in crappy, low paying jobs and are still sending monthly checks to the Department of Education to pay off their 6% college loans.

They'll be looking forward to the November elections.
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08:27 AM on 05/06/2011
Higher education was just not your thing huh?
01:26 PM on 05/11/2011
I'm sorry, your path from A to C got lost somewhere around B. I'll keep an eye out for it for you.
01:45 AM on 05/05/2011
I believe this was explained in the book the world is flat.It was on the best seller list for a long time.None the less it said the jobs would not be here so why all the education and debt? MONEY
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Rita Foster
10:52 PM on 05/05/2011
People go back to graduate school to get money to live on! Worry about paying it back later, hoping this will give them time to recover as the job market is hopefully recovering..it's a short term gamble ... Things will get better.
01:21 AM on 05/05/2011
Yea the article was ok, but what good is the education if there are no jobs.How many jobs left this country?How many jobs are coming back?Where are the new jobs?How can you pay back a loan if you have no job?Not alone afford to eat and pay for gas and rent/house note.You better look before you leap today, because it sure is not like yesteryears at all... They cannot have it both ways.It does not add up.Nor does education =great income.Or job security.This my friend is the new america.
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10:46 AM on 05/18/2011
You are exactly correct here. See, but higher education HAS had it both ways, they can claim that education leads to increased financial status and better jobs, allow students to incur massive debt, allowing more than half to fail out by the way, and STILL have record enrollments and keep jacking up tuition. Why? The myth of education, another poster here called it the last taboo, just like the free hand of the market, trickle down economics, and on and on and on. Who pays the ultimate costs when education doesn't deliver on their promises? How can a society survive under such shaky foundations? We are seeing the answer now.
01:18 AM on 05/05/2011
This girl goes to one of the best private schools in NYC. Bad sign?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28TUijcPujk&feature=channel_video_title
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jcaunter
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06:19 PM on 05/04/2011
Yeah, and the subprime crisis was "unforseeable" in 2006 too. Right.

Debts that can't be paid back won't be paid back.
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04:19 PM on 05/04/2011
Trade schools and vocational classes should never have been de-emphasized in our public school system. And education should be free at community and state run colleges.
03:59 PM on 05/04/2011
It needs to be harder to get into college. Colleges keep dropping their acceptance requirements because it gets them more money. Because of scaled grades and dumber people graduating, it's harder for smart, talented graduates to find jobs.
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10:59 PM on 05/04/2011
Are you really equivocating grades to talen and intelligence?
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03:54 PM on 05/04/2011
If we want to fix this part of the taxes we pay at the local/state level should go to help fund the community colleges of this nation so that everyone that wants can go to a tech or community college program can and make our public education system a k-14. Then getting a student loan for 2 years of "higher education" won't bankrupt a class of citizens just starting out in life.
03:19 PM on 05/04/2011
if it looks like bubble, if it smells like a bubble if it tastes like a bubble, most likely it is a bubble.
Let student loan debt be discharged in the bankruptcy, buy pop corn and watch the show. but it won't be pretty.
01:33 PM on 05/04/2011
Interesting that the people providing their opinions are "scholars". Also, college tuition cannot continue to increase at this unsustainable level. This is what defines a bubble.
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maninal2
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01:42 PM on 05/04/2011
Tuition increases are a result of continued funding cuts by states and the feds.
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jcaunter
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06:21 PM on 05/04/2011
Tuition increases are the direct result of guaranteed government/private loan debt money flooding into the education market. Expansion of credit by government fiat directly leads to massively higher education costs.
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loki
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01:30 PM on 05/04/2011
when the ivy greed capitalist are always having their puppets in DC raise the Hb1 visa numbers so they can import cheaper degreed people of course this will happen. Ivy Greed Capitalist dont care about country, fellow Americans or anything else except how much money they can rape from others, and put in their own personal bank accounts. And we all just sit by and watch it happen, thinking that we still have a chance at the fictitious "American Dream"
01:25 PM on 05/04/2011
This can't be true. The community organizer just took over the student loan system, when he passed Obamacare. It should be running as smooth as silk by now. It's to big to fail.
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maninal2
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01:32 PM on 05/04/2011
You lie. You'd rather see the banks making millions off the young by being in the middle of a transaction the government guarantees anyway? Go learn something. Maybe you won't seem so ignorant next time.
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cosmiCataclysm
01:56 PM on 05/04/2011
Your inane regurgitation of the words you've had fed to you betrays your crippling intellectual deficit.
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cyclone70
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01:22 PM on 05/04/2011
yet another fallacy of supply sider thought is that somehow a supply of educated workers magically creates demand for them, when of course the opposite is true. have demand for educated workers and you will drive the supply of them