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First Republican Presidential Debate Pulled Off Course, But Pawlenty Emerges Relatively Unscathed

South Carolina Debate

First Posted: 05/06/11 02:26 AM ET Updated: 07/05/11 06:12 AM ET

GREENVILLE, S.C. -- It may have been the moment when former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson extended his riff about how his reality TV show would be different from Sarah Palin’s “crawling on her hands and knees up the ice floe in Alaska.”

Or perhaps it was when Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) explained why not everyone would use heroin if it were legalized.

Either way, the Libertarian-minded iconoclasts who bookended the stage here Thursday night at the first Republican presidential primary debate provided plenty of highlights and some substance, but also took the forum wildly off track at times.

The result: South Carolinians already a bit on edge about the lack of top-tier GOP names at their debate got a little hotter under the collar.

“I’m not going to comment on that,” Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.) said when asked about Paul’s heroin comments. “Unbelievable that they even came out in this debate.”

“The nation is $14 trillion in debt,” Duncan told HuffPost after the debate. “We’ve got a lot of other problems that we need to focus on, stop the fiscal insanity in this country. I think we’ve got a lot of work to do. The candidates who talked about that were on message. The candidates that got off of that were not on message.”

“If I had had to advise them I would say get back to the issues that are at hand: American energy independence, the rising prices at the pump, and our nation’s national debt,” he added.

Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) blanched at talk by Johnson of legalized abortion and by Paul of allowing gays to marry.

“I disagreed with the idea that there should be any taxpayer funded abortions, or the federal government redefining marriage,” DeMint said. “I wasn’t quite sure if I was hearing that or not.”

Much of the debate, hosted by Fox News, understandably focused on foreign policy, given the killing of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden earlier this week. A number of questions also concerned social and religious issues.

But the candidates spent little time discussing America's sustained high unemployment rate or what to do about creating more jobs. Joblessness was only tangentially connected to a few questions about tax policy, organized labor and the national debt.

Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty was even asked whether he believes in creationism, which aides said afterward they had not anticipated.

Pawlenty entered the night with the risk of being dragged down into second-tier or novelty issues by his opponents, and while he tried to stay above the fray, he faced tough questions about his past statements supporting cap and trade and about his management of Minnesota’s budget, which left the state with a projected $6 billion deficit over the next two years.

When Fox News’ Chris Wallace introduced a clip of a commercial where Pawlenty called for the government to “cap greenhouse gas pollution now,” the former governor exclaimed amiably, “Do we have to?”

Yet other Republicans gave Pawlenty some credit for saying forthrightly that he messed up: “It was wrong, it was a mistake, and I’m sorry,” he said in response to his cap and trade flip-flop.

Some party members see this as a clear contrast to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney’s refusal to admit making a mistake in passing universal health coverage in his state. “For him to man up and say he made a mistake showed tremendous courage on his part,” Duncan said.

In a somewhat surprising turn of events, however, former Godfather's Pizza CEO Herman Cain emerged from the first debate with the highest rating from Fox News' focus group.

“I have never had this kind of reaction until tonight. Something very special happened this evening,” said Republican pollster Frank Luntz, after the 29-person group unanimously concluded that Cain had won. Only one person in the group began the night supporting Cain.

Chip Felkel, a local Republican consultant who worked with Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour until Barbour’s decision not to run, called Cain's performance “impressive” and added that former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum “did himself well.”

Of Pawlenty, Felkel said that “while he probably showed the most in terms of broadest appeal of those on stage, [he] looked a tad too prepped.”

In the end, Pawlenty emerged in essentially the same condition he entered the night: slowly ambling along, the candidate with the least flaws in a primary that so far is full of other hopefuls with plenty of baggage.

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GREENVILLE, S.C. -- It may have been the moment when former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson extended his riff about how his reality TV show would be different from Sarah Palin’s “crawling on her hand...
GREENVILLE, S.C. -- It may have been the moment when former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson extended his riff about how his reality TV show would be different from Sarah Palin’s “crawling on her hand...
 
 
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greenlass
10:00 AM on 06/07/2011
Interesting ploy of Sarah Palin, to demur on actually declaring an official run. She thereby gets to avoid debates such as this, right?
The more I watch her, and the more I read comments from people who support her, the more I get the feeling I'm watching a child who is throwing a tantrum. She willfully declines to participate in civil, respectful discourse. "Just BECAUSE, okay????!!!" There's such a deep underpinning of anger and obstinacy. It's so immature and self-righteous. Like a child.
When will she step out of her incubation tank and actually be accountable for what she says?
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mcmutter
A Groover has to expect a few setbacks .....
12:35 PM on 05/15/2011
GOP just contracted for six more freight trains ....

all their "leaders" have so much baggage ....

how could any right thinkin Evangelical follow these sinners ....
04:27 AM on 05/09/2011
The only one who made any sence to me was Cain...
02:45 PM on 05/12/2011
Did you misspell "sense" or "seance"?
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vietveter
To the FAR LEFT
12:51 AM on 05/09/2011
A little night music

Isn't it rich?
Are we a pair?
Me here at last on the ground,
You in mid-air.
Send in the clowns.

Isn't it bliss?
Don't you approve?
One who keeps tearing around,
One who can't move.
Where are the clowns?
Send in the clowns.
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shelagh63
Whatev's
04:42 PM on 05/08/2011
Pawlenty unscathed, hmmm tell that to my neighbors, oh wait half of them have lost their homes in illegal foreclosures, oh and that whole 35w bridge thing which we have Pawlenty's cronism to thank for, oh and the defunding of our public schools thanks to Pawlenty's budget trickery. No mind folks, when the dinosaurs take over after their 6,000 year break, at least we will have learned about it in our public school's creationism classes. Forewarned is forearmed no?
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Tootsie56
help fellow travelers along the way, it comes back
02:11 PM on 05/08/2011
This was a debate? I thought it was just a get-together-and-catch-up thingy.
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ChicagoBob
Save the Earth-It's the only planet with chocolate
04:53 AM on 05/08/2011
What are they saying? That the 'contenders' here can't even pull off a *scripted* debate?

GOP = Grasping Opportunistic (self-imagined) Plutocrats
10:45 PM on 05/07/2011
Come on now, the only reason Pawlenty "manned up" and confessed to having been wrong about his stand on capping greenhouse gas pollution was so he wouldn't look foolish and be ostrasized my his fellow political cronies. I'm sure he actually DOES believe in cap and trade, but only while standing in the closet. He can't let anyone know how he truly feels. That would be political suicide.
Too bad their mantra is "all for one and one for all" when it comes to conservative beliefs.
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iconoclast6
This is my BOOM stick!
07:19 PM on 05/07/2011
@TimTheClosetPoofter, I await your convenience. Ikuzo shimasu.
07:02 PM on 05/07/2011
This article is great. It blame the candidates for failing to talk about issues of greater substance. I took the time to watch this and guess what, FOX it just horrible. The ones to blame were the FOX news members, who asked the questions. They were very direct and even made notice when one failed to answer in the direction they wanted. In addition they ignored Johnson until stepped up and called them out. The FOX News member then berated him for having the never to speak up. I personally liked it, shows he is willing to stand up and also showed how closed minded the central Republicans are. I wish I didn't have to entertain the Republican party in order to get a viable challenger to Obama.
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Tootsie56
help fellow travelers along the way, it comes back
02:13 PM on 05/08/2011
Yeah, your right. Hate to admit it but I watched too and couldn't believe half of what I heard. So sad.
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Pot
Sick of the plutocrats!
06:19 PM on 05/07/2011
See libertarians, Republicans WILL NEVER ACCEPT YOU.
05:54 PM on 05/07/2011
Ron Paul is a beacon of reason in there...

Many Pauls are needed in American politics,in both parties...
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iconoclast6
This is my BOOM stick!
07:20 PM on 05/07/2011
There are ships sailing for Somalia just about every week. Be on one, you unpatriotic democracy hater.
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anthonytaurus
don't f&f me. you dont' know what I'll say next
05:29 PM on 05/07/2011
“For him to man up and say he made a mistake showed tremendous courage on his part,” Duncan said.

In Conservastan, USA, for some reason it takes courage to admit that you were wrong. I find that hilarious and exactly the reason why I could never vote for a Republican or Conservative. Simple ethics for them takes courage. You've got to be brave to do the right thing.

Then the talking points are hilarious. Are these guys serious?

Sad part is, the only viable option in the bunch for president is Ron Paul and that's only because he MIGHT not be a wholly owned subsidiary of every industry in and outside of the US. But, even then, he wants to revert the nation back to the way it was before with the Constitution minus the Bill of Rights. That kind of sucks because that would leave everyone without a vote, except for Whites who own land. I am not saying that's his ultimate goal here but the ramifications of such a move are, at best, detrimental to our way of life. That goes for everyone.
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free thinker 3-5-7
08:19 AM on 06/14/2011
Great Post!
05:08 PM on 05/07/2011
"American energy independence, the rising prices at the pump, and our nation’s national debt"
- But we should not develop alternative energy sources. And neither should we create jobs. Banning gays from marrying or women having abortions will drive down debt I am sure.

"I disagreed with the idea that there should be any taxpayer funded abortions, or the federal government redefining marriage,”
- Yep, can't have people deciding for themselves or living their life the way they want to.

"But the candidates spent little time discussing America's sustained high unemployment rate or what to do about creating more jobs. Joblessness was only tangentially connected to a few questions about tax policy, organized labor and the national debt."
- So apart from less taxes (lowest since '58), unions are bad, and debt must be less, the Gop has no nuanced thoughts, no solutions, and refuses to discuss the real issues.

Sounds just like someone we should vote into office.
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viking1969
06:31 PM on 05/07/2011
Excellent post. We could be in the middle of the Black Plague and the GOP would be obsessed with the government funding vacines. Like talking to a gaggle of chickens with their heads cut off.
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celloswiss
58yo European male
04:38 PM on 05/07/2011
Pawlenty? Yawn......
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shelagh63
Whatev's
04:49 PM on 05/08/2011
He is a bit yawn-ish on the outside, but from my perspective as a Minnesotan, the guy is a very dangerous wolf in sheep's clothing. I am praying that his faux milquetoast rational type persona will be revealed as the farce that it is.