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Paul Ryan: Newt Gingrich Misunderstood Medicare Plan

TAMMY WEBBER   05/16/11 06:56 PM ET   AP

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CHICAGO — U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan said Monday that Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich does not fully understand a GOP proposal to turn Medicare into a voucher system, dismissing criticism from the former House speaker that the plan would be a radical change.

"I just think he's missing the mark on what our plan actually does," Ryan, chairman of the powerful House Budget Committee, told reporters after a speech to the Economic Club of Chicago. "Our plan is one of the most gradual things one could do," because it would not affect people over age 55 and would not kick in for 10 years.

On Sunday, Gingrich had told NBC's "Meet the Press" that Ryan's plan is "too big a jump" and that he's against implementing radical changes.

"I don't think right-wing social engineering is any more desirable than left-wing social engineering," Gingrich said. "I don't think imposing radical change from the right or the left is a very good way for a free society to operate."

Gingrich stood by his criticism during a stop in Iowa on Monday, but softened his language a bit. He said he generally supports the GOP budget proposal, but differs with Ryan's approach to Medicare, saying he believes "you need a much more fundamental, much more comprehensive approach to fixing Medicare." Gingrich said it would be too jarring to recipients to change the program from a guaranteed benefit to a voucher program.

Both Gingrich and Ryan have said that they want to repeal the federal health care bill signed by President Barack Obama last year.

Ryan, of Wisconsin, also said Monday that he will decide quickly whether he will run for the U.S. Senate to replace retiring Democrat Herb Kohl. He said his Medicare proposal would not hurt him if he decides to seek the seat because he's talked about the issue for years and has "a long relationship with Wisconsinites."

But he also said his decision would be based on where he believes he would have the greatest influence on solving the nation's economic problems, and answered "yes" when asked whether his position as House Budget Committee chairman might give him more influence than as the junior senator from Wisconsin.

Under Ryan's plan, the government would provide a certain amount of money to health insurers – giving more money to poorer people and less to the wealthy – with the exact coverage not locked in, rather than covering seniors' health expenses as Medicare has since the 1960s.

It's an approach he says would give seniors greater control over their own health care and ultimately save Medicare, noting that health care costs, including from Medicaid and Social Security, are growing faster than the economy.

Ryan also took issue with a report from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which said the typical beneficiary would be expected to pay more than two-thirds of his or her medical costs by the year 2030 under the GOP plan. He said the CBO assumes that Medicare costs always will go up instead of down under any reform plan, and said measuring any plan against the status quo "is a fantasy."

"The biggest threat to Medicare is the status quo," Ryan said.

Ryan, who has been greeted with cheers and jeers at scores of town hall-style meetings on his plan, avoided protesters who gathered Monday outside Chicago's Palmer House Hilton. Dozens of demonstrators chanted "Tax the rich" and carried signs that read, "Hands off my Medicare" and "Don't make us go all Wisconsin on you," referring to the massive protests at the Wisconsin Statehouse during the legislature's fight over weakening negotiating rights for teachers.

"They are taking away basic rights that have been placed as a safety net for people," said Larry Roth, 58, of Chicago.

Doug Adams of Chicago said he came out to "defend the rights of the middle class and working class people" because "Republicans, Wall Street and big business" think older Americans are an expensive commodity.

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CHICAGO — U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan said Monday that Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich does not fully understand a GOP proposal to turn Medicare into a voucher system, dismissing critici...
CHICAGO — U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan said Monday that Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich does not fully understand a GOP proposal to turn Medicare into a voucher system, dismissing critici...
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Bronxdude 12:56 PM on 05/17/2011
Paul Ryan wants to cut tax revenue by giving Fortune 500 corporations and those earning $250,000 or more $6.5 trillion in tax cuts over ten years. To replace the loss revenue made possible by these cuts, Paul proposes privatizing Medicare and eliminating Pell Grants, USDA free and reduced fee school lunch programs, WIC, Section 8 rental assistance, and cutting $9.8 billion from Medicaid and CHIP, leaving 32  Read More...
02:13 PM on 05/18/2011
This is the most absurd argument he could have come up with: It is not radical because it will happen in 10 years.

How about we turn the US from a democracy into a islamic theocracy. But since we don't want this change to be radical, we will do it in 10 years.
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givemtheirwish
Science is the belief in ignorance of "experts"
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givemtheirwish
Science is the belief in ignorance of "experts"
09:48 AM on 05/18/2011
unaffordable healthcare act = 1,400 waivers & climbing. Elle Pelosi said "We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It" - Now we know what the folks think of the Unaffordable Healthcare Act, particularly the "friends of Nancy" in her district & the teachers unions etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU
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DRaymond
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05:43 PM on 05/17/2011
Its very gradual if you are 55 if you are 54 your hopes for retirement are trashed.  You will get a voucher that will pay for a small fraction of your health care costs.  Where will the rest of it come from?  Well, your other retirement savings of course.  Face it, your hopes for actually being able to afford to retire are gone.

And Ryan's rationalization that this is going to somehow not be a disaster is a myth that somehow it will allow individuals to have control over reducing their health care costs.  The notion is absurd. Individuals have very little power over the health care system,  Sick individuals have even less.  And sick seniors have the least.

So when I sat in a top notch cancer hospital, and a leading colorectal oncologist tells me that my wife's cancer is very advanced and that they want to immediately start with 5-FU plus Oxypalatin and Bevacizumab I'm supposed to ask how much it costs and then negotiate to get the price down and threaten that if they don't meet my price demands to take my critically ill wife to another hospital?

If I get in a car accident I am supposed to while I am in the ambulance be phoning hospitals to get the one with the cheapest prices?

So can somebody explain to me how giving me a voucher for part of my insurance cost is going to give me any control over how much insurance costs?  Even now, without the voucher I have zero leverage over insurance companies.
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PS Nymn
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03:57 PM on 05/17/2011
Paul Ryan reframed the entitlemen­t cuts in his budget as "strengthe­n[ing] welfare for those who need it," and accused Democrats who have attacked his budget as engaging in class warfare.

For Paul Ryan, Medicare is welfare.
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Awake-and-Sing
named after a great play written by Clifford Odets
03:59 PM on 05/17/2011
The Republicans blitzkrieg the middle classes and then accuse us of playing "class warfare".
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PS Nymn
Live from Mom's basement.
04:06 PM on 05/17/2011
How is a plan that destroys Medicare and Medicaid while giving 40% tax cuts to the rich and corporations NOT class warfare?
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ClassicalGas
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04:16 PM on 05/17/2011
It's only called "class warfare" when we fight back.
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chloe4455
watch closely
03:28 PM on 05/17/2011
They always end up eating their own
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03:23 PM on 05/17/2011
Using the deficit to attack medicare and other is what conservative politicians must do to accomplish the handing over of all aspects of American life to corporations for the purpose of profiteering. They created the deficit as we know it during the "W" administration with that aim in mind. It's working great for them too.
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mummblemouth
03:26 PM on 05/17/2011
Like most of Americas problems it started with Reagan, but yes, it's their 'starve the beast' strategy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast
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03:34 PM on 05/17/2011
You are correct with the origin of the strategy. You must admit that that the "W" and his minions, or Cheney and his minions, Rove and his minions, however you choose to view those years, facilitated the plan with amazing expertise.
03:36 PM on 05/17/2011
Truth.
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Max Load
Bailouts subvert survival of the fittest.
03:18 PM on 05/17/2011
Paul, your Big Insurance donors would like nothing more than to see another program moved into position to be brought "under their care".

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00004357&type=I

Quit trying to sell ANYONE that this is "good for the people".
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Veganie
Live food, live bodies
03:04 PM on 05/17/2011
Ryan told an increasingly hostile crowd. "If you're yelling, I want to ask you to leave."
republicans' are getting a lot of angry dissension. They should have thought about that when they sicked their dogs on the Democrats for two years. If you can't take the heat . . . Retire!
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Veganie
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03:44 PM on 05/17/2011
Thank you "CG", that video was fun to watch. Gotta Fan you!
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03:24 PM on 05/17/2011
You are correct! These people have no business demanding civility of anyone!
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03:00 PM on 05/17/2011
Another Tea-party genius, white with no brain.
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Twelve
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02:55 PM on 05/17/2011
I'd say the biggest threat to medicare is not the "status quo" but Paul Ryan himself.
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gladys46
Know Your Interests, Vote
02:56 PM on 05/17/2011
The entire republican cabal!
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gladys46
Know Your Interests, Vote
02:54 PM on 05/17/2011
Mean while, reports have it that Newt and his wife's financial disclosure reveals a 250k + debt for breakfast, lunch and perhaps dinners at Tiffany's on credit ... very mature republicans as they take hachets to the American people futures!
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Twelve
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02:53 PM on 05/17/2011
Oops, I mean't non-entitlement programs (of course that not what the conseratives call them!).
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Twelve
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02:52 PM on 05/17/2011
I love the way Ryan expects people under the age of 55 to just forget about all the money they have paid into these non- - yes nohn-entitlement programs. I guess they are just supposed to shrug their shoulders and say "Oh well"! This guy needs to be dumped out of office.
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Awake-and-Sing
named after a great play written by Clifford Odets
03:01 PM on 05/17/2011
The Republicans all voted for the Ryan proposal so it is now the Party's bill.

The bill impoverishes everyone, not just the elderly.

People under 65 would be put in the moral dilemma of saving for their own retirement, education and down payments on a home OR helping to pay their parent's medical bills so they don't live in squalor and die prematurely.
06:01 PM on 05/17/2011
Not so very long ago, that's what every working person looked forward to in old age.
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DTSLW
02:44 PM on 05/17/2011
God damned, paul ryan has a thin skin for politics.