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California Internet Privacy Bill: Facebook, Google Explain 'Strong' Opposition

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First Posted: 05/17/11 04:54 PM ET Updated: 07/17/11 06:12 AM ET

A coalition of web giants including Facebook, Google, Twitter and Skype announced they oppose a landmark California bill seeking to drastically revamp social networking sites' privacy protections, arguing in a letter that the proposed legislation is unconstitutional, a threat to businesses and would actually decrease users' privacy.

Bill "SB 242" would, among other mandates, require users of such sites to specify their privacy settings as part of the registration process and force sites to institute default privacy settings that share no more than a user's name and city of residence. Social networking sites would also be required to delete any information a user asks to have removed within 48 hours of the request.

In a letter to state Sen. Ellen Corbett (D), who proposed the legislation, an alliance of Internet companies, trade groups and other tech organizations said they "strongly opposed" the legislation on the grounds that it was unnecessary -- "SB 242 gratuitously singles out social networking sites without demonstration of any harm," they wrote -- and, by requiring privacy settings to be selected prior to using the service, would force users to make uninformed choices.

The bill’s opponents also claimed the law would harm California's technology sector by raising costs and "dramatically [limiting] social networking sites' growth potential," and violate the right to freedom of speech by restricting users' ability to "continue speaking as desired."

Corbett rejected the notion that the bill was unconstitutional and defended the proposal as “straightforward” effort to ensure consumers have control over what information is available about them online, understand how their data can be used, and maintain their privacy, which is protected under the California constitution.

“You’ll hear all sorts of characterizations made to confuse people on this measure,” Corbett said of her opponents’ arguments. “I’m up for a very tough fight. I have heard from so many people who are grateful that we’re trying to protect their privacy and security and protect young people from harm.”

Yet even privacy advocates see problems with the current version of the legislation. Many expressed concern that SB 242 would interfere with teenagers’ First Amendment rights by empowering parents to request social networking sites remove information a minor has posted online. They also noted that requiring social networking sites to respond to all requests to delete user data could raise costs dramatically and come with technical challenges, such as verifying a parent is who he claims to be.

“The bill is noble in intention, but incredibly naïve in implementation and would drag social networks into the role of social worker, mediating between 16- and 17-year-olds and their parents,” said Jules Polonetsky, director of the Future of Privacy Forum in an email to the Huffington Post. “Social networks need to do a better job explaining their privacy settings, but this bill is far too simplistic in its efforts to deal with the complicated interpersonal relationships involved.”

Despite taking issue with some of the language and specifications included in the proposal, privacy experts also saw merit with the bill's overall aims and lauded efforts to increase protections for users’ online data.

“Making consumers more aware of what they’re sharing and putting that information up front is a good idea,” said Justin Brookman, director of the Project on Consumer Privacy at the Center for Democracy and Technology.

He added that he disagreed with the argument that forcing users to set privacy protections when first signing up for a site would in turn decrease their privacy.

“I think the idea of telling people what is going on and giving them control over their information from the beginning is a good idea for social networks and others places as well,” Brookman said.

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02:19 PM on 05/20/2011
Whenever you want to join an app on Facebook you are asked this: Access my basic information
Includes name, profile picture, gender, networks, user ID, list of friends, and ANY OTHER INFORMATION I'VE SHARED WITH EVERYONE. This sounds to me like you are giving these various companies access to everything you have sent anyone, including your private and personal messages. Is that the case? If so it's just wrong. They do need to be much more clear as to what specific info they are getting.
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Lahonda
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03:21 AM on 05/19/2011
Sour grapes from the screen scrapers.
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terry90
11:27 PM on 05/18/2011
""SB 242 gratuitously singles out social networking sites without demonstration of any harm," they wrote -- and, by requiring privacy settings to be selected prior to using the service, would force users to make uninformed choices."

OH PLEASE.. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP... these guys are only worried b/c more privacy for their users means less profits for them -- that's it....
10:14 PM on 05/18/2011
I think the proposed law is reasonable.
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Bright Creature
Crawling toward the light
07:07 PM on 05/18/2011
This directly goes to the heart of google's and facebook's bottom line. They both bank on being able to sell user's habits and interests, etc, to third parties. This new law has both of them up in arms because it hits them where it hurts.

That's my guess anyway.
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Benjamin Rosenfeld
04:38 PM on 05/18/2011
My urge to punch Zuckerberg in the face grows with each passing day.
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WhatTheHolyHeck
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03:29 PM on 05/18/2011
It will be interesting to see if Google is more or less aggressive about data collection now that Page is back in charge.
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jsgaetano
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12:16 PM on 05/18/2011
It's hilarious how the far right talking point is that privacy violates free speech.
 
Oh, but don't you dare invade the government's privacy!  They have the natural right to cover up anything embarassing to the far right, no matter how trivial.  That's what "state's secrets" is all about!
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David Landry
05:06 PM on 05/18/2011
As do corporations. Does this mean that we can walk right into a corporation now and just take their private information because otherwise that would be a breach of "free speech"?

Seems that constitutional rights now only apply if you are a corporation.
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Marioth
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11:36 AM on 05/18/2011
Facebook is a fad. It will be over and done when the current crop of users grow up and realize it's probably not a good idea to share your dirty laundry with "friends." FB has reached most of the people it is going to reach. This is not 1998. There were already huge social networks in Asia and elsewhere before FB arose. FB will not be undercutting these.

To demand that FB assure the privacy of its users is akin to asking auto companies to install seat belts. No harm, no foul. If your business model is "too expensive" to accommodate this, your business deserves to fail.
02:39 PM on 05/18/2011
So the 'business model' of giving away free services then trying to charge later might not work?

How surprising. Watch the piggies squeal when they realize they may have just played themselves and might not get to the IPO payday they have all been eagerly waiting for when consumers are protected from their 'farming' or personal privacy.
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LittleSanityLeft
10:55 AM on 05/18/2011
Change the bill so that teens get to decide what postings get removed from their own accounts and then allow users to control what gets removed without having to make an administration request and you've got yourself a good bill. Unless some other user is revealing private information about you then there should be no reason to go through an administrator and given the type of information others can reveal, a 48 hour turn around in having such info removed seems reasonable to me.
10:34 AM on 05/18/2011
Not sure I understand the teenager's right to free speech argument. Schools are legally entitled to censor student output like school newspapers. If the arguement is that parents have less supervisory rules than schools on terms of free speech, then my head just exploded.
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LittleSanityLeft
11:01 AM on 05/18/2011
The rest of the world is not a school owned by a private institution or government body, you aren't using "school" property or facilities when your at some party on your smart phone or Facebooking at your local Starbucks.
12:39 PM on 05/18/2011
No, but a parent should have the right to remove material that is offensive, harmful, or libelous. The parent is responsible for the child in a very real and legally binding sense.
10:33 AM on 05/18/2011
"and violate the right to freedom of speech by restricting users' ability to "continue speaking as desired." "

Telling them upfront what their privacy settings are is restricting their ability to speak as desired? What kind of cognitive dissonance garbage is this? How is this going to make users less informed?
02:45 PM on 05/18/2011
Welcome to Facebook!

This is the utter CONTEMPT in which they hold their users. They expect us to swallow this BS?
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terry90
09:56 AM on 05/19/2011
I know, the chutzpah here is unbelievable.. they come up with all these cockamamie arguments except the one that would be the only honest one: no, please no, this would mean less profits for us...

I really hope this law passes in Calif and that other states follow suit (and Congress should take a good look too..)
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10:04 AM on 05/18/2011
Here's what I'd say is "the bottom line."

The Internet is the MOST public "public place" that has ever existed, in all of human history bar none. "You must dress and act and speak accordingly."

That responsibility, first and foremost, is YOURS. If you consider something to be "private," and there ever was a point in time when you alone were in possession of it or had knowledge of it, then YOU are the one who decides just how "private" it really is, and you ACT accordingly, and "actions speak louder than words."

I don't consider this message to be "private." I'm publishing it "in the clear." Furthermore, the moderators (if they approve it) aren't binding themselves to me or to my message or absolving me in any way from primary responsibility for it.

If I -did- consider the message to be "private," I wouldn't post it here and I wouldn't put it on the Internet =at= =all= "in the clear," any more than I would type my credit-card number into a non-encrypted website.

I also wouldn't post it on a store-and-forward network like Facebook or Twitter, because, no matter what they promise me about who they'll forward it to, THEY'VE got a copy and they're going to keep it forever. For exactly the same reason, I wouldn't send it in an un-encrypted email: the same rules apply.

Tools for effective message privacy are available, and free. Use them well.
MtnGeek
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10:29 AM on 05/18/2011
Nothing in your rant talks about minors and protecting them, which is one of the primary concerns of this proposed law. Social Media companies have grown faster than the laws and common sense can account for, reining them in now is not a bad thing.
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12:18 PM on 05/18/2011
That's what parents are for.

The law can't protect a child from doing what vigilant parents or guardians should be making sure that they do not do. Companies like Facebook can't take primary responsibility for your children, nor for the possible negative implications of a child unwisely doing what a child often, and unwisely, does.

Remember, there is no way for your own computer, let alone a public internet site, to know the true identity, age, motives, or maturity of the person at the wheel. Thus, there is also no way for a company ... be it Facebook or someone else ... to assume =legal= responsibility, or legal liability, for what that person does "at the wheel."

These vulnerabilities are real ... very real ... and I expect that parents (and kids, too) are slowly becoming aware of that. (Not nearly soon enough, but they are finally becoming aware.) "Social media" is a fad whose star is already beginning to set, as folks realize that there are severe vulnerabilities and that the technology is not adequate to guard against them; not at all.

Parents 'plunked their kids down in front of a computer' just as they once plunked kids down in front of the TV. But the internet is "two-way."

Facebook, et al, aren't going to asume legal responsibility for this, for one disarmingly simple reason: they can't. (Not: "they don't want to," or "it would cost bezillions," but: "not IMPLEMENTABLE!")
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frank day
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09:03 AM on 05/18/2011
This bill will make FaceBook worth even less than its current fictional value.
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WhatTheHolyHeck
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03:26 PM on 05/18/2011
Since they make most of their money from advertising, they won't lose any value. They'll still push ads to users, and they'll still be able to target those ads based on certain demographic criteria because users will provide that information, even if they do "secure" it from unauthorized users.

If anything, increased security could help their ad model because users might be more comfortable providing more personal information, which could make ad targeting more effective and profitable.
06:15 AM on 05/18/2011
Hopefully this law will pass and other states and nations take up similar ones.