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Republicans Question Debt Armageddon Warnings On Debt Ceiling

Republicans Debt Ceiling

First Posted: 05/19/11 09:54 AM ET Updated: 07/19/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Would it really be such a big deal if the United States couldn't pay its bills?

As Washington searches for a budget deal that would give lawmakers political cover to sign off on further borrowing, some Republicans are questioning the Obama administration's warnings of fiscal Armageddon if Congress does not raise the federal government's debt limit in a timely manner.

Their stance suggests the battle over taxes and spending could last well beyond the early August deadline set by the administration, forcing the government to make difficult choices about which bills to pay on time.

The United States reached the legal limits of its borrowing authority on Monday, and the Treasury Department has urged Congress to increase the $14.29 trillion ceiling before August 2, when it predicts it will exhaust other methods for paying its obligations.

Failure to act could bring on a second recession and roil markets worldwide, Treasury officials have said.

But as Republicans, who control the House of Representatives, push for deep spending cuts as the price of any debt-ceiling hike, many of them say Wall Street would understand if Washington didn't get a deal done by then.

"The markets are not fooled by some date imposed to say that that is the trigger for the collapse," House Republican Leader Eric Cantor said in Richmond, according to the Washington Post. "I think the markets are looking to see that there is real reform."

Because the government is taking in more than enough tax revenue to service its outstanding debt, the argument goes, the Treasury Department would be able to service its debt even if it ran out of money to pay all of its obligations.

Some argue that investors might not be upset even if the government missed a few bond payments.

"Failure to raise the debt limit for an extended period of time would be disruptive," U.S. Senator Pat Toomey, a Republican, said at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank. "It's very important that we also remember that this is not a catastrophic default. A disruptive series of events is not the same as a catastrophe."

Toomey said the debt limit would have to be raised eventually and challenged the administration to tell investors that it will make debt service a priority in the meantime.

DIFFICULT CHOICES

The Obama administration is taking the talk seriously. Administration officials on Wednesday handed out a stack of letters dating back to the 1980s, warning of the dire consequences of putting off a debt-limit increase.

A senior administration official questioned whether bond buyers would continue to pay low rates for government debt while the country was breaking leases on buildings and railroads and deciding what would go unpaid.

"Who's buying our debt in those auctions while we are defaulting on other obligations?" the official said. "The slippery slope of deciding every day what you would pay and what you wouldn't pay is an impossible exercise."

Treasury would face some difficult choices if the ceiling were not raised by the time it runs out of financing options.

The government is projected to collect enough taxes to cover about 60 percent of its expenses this year, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. That could easily cover the projected $213 billion in interest costs but would still leave the government far short of the money it needed to pay for everything else -- from wars to student loans.

Toomey's view is catching on with other Republicans.

The head of a group of 174 conservative lawmakers in the House said on Monday that failure to raise the debt ceiling would not bring on a default but only force Congress to prioritize its spending.

"The only thing forcing a default would be Treasury Secretary Geithner allowing such a catastrophe to take place," said Republican Study Committee Chairman Jim Jordan.

Fund manager Stanley Druckenmiller told the Wall Street Journal he was more worried that Washington would fail to reach a long-term budget deal to keep debt under control than the prospect of a few days of missed bond payments.

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan said on Tuesday that Druckenmiller's comments "captured our feeling pretty well" and echoed sentiments he heard from others.

"If a bond holder misses a payment for a day or two or three or four, what is more important (is) that you're putting the government in a materially better position to be able to pay their bonds later on," Ryan said on CNBC.

Dan Ripp, an analyst with securities firm Bradley Woods, said bond markets would likely remain calm if the Treasury Department was forced to issue IOUs to federal employees or cut back on Medicare payments to doctors as long as it continued to make its debt payments.

But the country's credit rating could permanently suffer if Treasury was forced to miss bond payments as it would blemish a perfect repayment record that goes back more than 200 years.

"When you have a perfect record and then it's not perfect, you can't go back to perfect again," Ripp said.

(Additional reporting by Jeff Mason; Editing by Caren Bohan, Paul Simao and Todd Eastham)

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murphthesurf3 11:54 AM on 05/19/2011
Dan Ripp, an analyst with securities firm Bradley Woods, said bond markets would likely remain calm if the Treasury Department was forced to issue IOUs to federal employees or cut back on Medicare payments to doctors as long as it continued to make its debt payments.

But the country's credit rating could permanently suffer if Treasury was forced to miss bond payments as it would blemish a  Read More...

AND THAT IS CORE OF THE ISSUE. The immediate impact would likely be less than catastrophic, but the mid range and long range impact would be a disaster.

The U.S. credit rating is based on one thing, and one thing only, a well documented guarantee that the U.S. would service its debt on time.

When a person is late paying a credit card you get a late fee. Do this is a big way and your credit rating suffers. And then your interest rate goes up. If things get really bad.....credit cards are canceled, and no one wants to extend credit to you.

When nations default.......things go very badly rather quickly......not immediately, but soon.

THE GOP IS NOT WILLING TO LOSE A BARGAINING CHIP...SO THE REPUBLICANS DO WHAT THEY ALWAYS DO.....

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Littlewords
My micro bio was outsourced to my nano-bio: I'm me
07:53 PM on 05/19/2011
At one time Republicans actually were fiscal conservatives.

To express how they now live only in mythical form, I pose this question....would a fiscal conservative EVER advocate defaulting on true debt obligations to others, or would they be vio1ently ill from even contemplating the notion?

The current Republican party can't spell fiscal conservative, much less act like one!

They had no problem watching their 'Decider' launch our nation into two simultane0us w@rs and never ask for fiscal accountability (that would be a tax) to pay for the w@rs. They had no problem turning a surplus into all time deficit spending. They had no problem hiding w@r costs off the general ledger and bank rolling the entire mess via China. They had no problem extending tax cuts for the wealthy (enjoying the best tax rates ever), and happily blocked repeal of the Oil special tax break (only put in place when oil was $25 per barrel to inspire drilling during depressed prices). Further, they are fine with defense and homeland security crushing our annual budget at more than half a trillion each year of spending over 2000 levels (all while all peers around the world are slashing defense spending...even China).

My friends, the Republican party has no fiscal conservatives, only corporate shills doing the bidding that their lobbyists direct while spewing their fable of feigned conservatism. However, their contemporary ranks are the antithesis of fiscal conservatism.
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Darwan Winkler
Where's the Jobs!
07:28 AM on 05/20/2011
Today's Republicans use the term "fiscal responsibility " simply as a pretext to block the current administrations efforts to address monetary and social disparity that was created by the GOP with deregulation in the 80's and the following 30 years of events.

GOP social engineering is seen as better then DNC social engineering until which time there is not enough American consumers to support it and America much depend on wars and foreign markets.

Am I reaching too far to think such things?
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Gailsunday
I think what I think...therefore, I am
11:12 PM on 05/20/2011
Nope I think you're right on target!

Seems the Repugs. depend far too much on wars especially, to grease the wheels of the economy.
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Dunkleberger Karl
Historian,Humanitarian,Hedonist.
07:40 PM on 05/19/2011
Captain on the Titanic must have been a republican!
 
"Ignor those warnings of ice flow this far south!"
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tacevad
American SS Card Carrying Socialist
07:24 PM on 05/19/2011
Republicans seemingly want a recession to blame on President Obama
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Darwan Winkler
Where's the Jobs!
08:11 AM on 05/20/2011
Make no mistake about it, they do! With their efforts to discredit any democratic president they ARE willing to subject the nation to harsh conditions. Those that control the GOP don't have to live here, but can live in just about any place they wish. They live here for now to avoid the nasty unrest , the need for powerful security teams, high walls and gated communities that would be required elsewhere.

They enjoy the peaceful security and infrastructure the US provides and the ability to move about freely but they don't want to continue to pay for it. They feel that they have paid enough already and now it should be provided to them without cost. The burden of government should be carried by thous less successful over the last 30 years.

I understand the wealthy's position, ~ some of them anyway ~ the rest of us live and serve at their convenience. They have paid more in taxes then anyone else and see disparity and feel "put upon" by the rest of Americans. While failing to recognize it was a American team effort that brought them to the party. They now want to dance with someone else and see the rest of Americans as sheep for the shearing..

Well ? ~ the worth of a man is not determined in dollars but in deeds and how those deeds affect the world around him. That's an old ideology perhaps but I'm not willing to part with it, today.
06:54 PM on 05/19/2011
Republicans voted to raise the debt limit 19 ? times when Bush was in office. I guess they understood the importance of doing it then. Of course, then we weren't being governed by a Black man. If McCain had won in 08 there wouldn't even be a debate on this. The debt ceiling would be raised - it would have to have been. How else would we have paid for the 3 additional wars we would be fighting.
05:31 PM on 05/19/2011
End the U.S. empire, bring the troops home, defend OUR borders, end all foreign aid, end all welfare for immigration law violators, release all non-violent drug offenders, decriminalize all drugs, end the drug war, legalize hemp, put our troops at all ports inspecting every piece of cargo that comes into this country, disband whole military battalions and honorably discharge them and hire them all as armed Air Marshall's, put bomb sniffing dogs and metal detectors in the airports, dismantle the TSA...this should solve most of our debt woes I'll think of more later...
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bredlaum
manners are free
08:48 PM on 05/19/2011
Alfred, I so agree with almost everything you said .. F&F ..
05:08 PM on 05/19/2011
What's next gravity? That inconvenient truth thing really rattled the conservative cages didn't it! Now they are doubling down. Just proves common sense isn't that common in the GOP. What is their goal? Mad Max, or a Postman apocalypse world? It sure isn't a brighter future for all..
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Dunkleberger Karl
Historian,Humanitarian,Hedonist.
07:49 PM on 05/19/2011
Break out your football shoulder pads and your feathers!
 
and lots of Hard liquere! cause the appocolyps may not show up!
 
Then again if the republicans dont vote the debt up!
 
we will never Know! Till the lightsw go out and the batteries die,
 
and the wolves come from out of the forest!
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GreshamGuy
Always ask, WWCAD?
05:05 PM on 05/19/2011
Which soldiers go without pay? Which children go without medical care? Which air traffic controller is laid off? What food fails to be inspected? What drug goes untested? One way or another, to continue to provide basic services and execute United States law, we must raise the debt ceitling.

There is waste in government spending, no doubt, but there is no serious discussion beyond ideology regarding the budgetary issues here. Honesty dictates that you look at what is really happening and that comes down to an unwillingn­ess to actually require the American people to pay for the things they want. GWB's free lunch is over.
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Donna1224
04:50 PM on 05/19/2011
A memo to Republicans: Even your beloved Speaker realizes that the debt ceiling has to be raised again, so stop whining about it and just do it! If you value your political careers, I would advise you to go along with this plan because your party will be blamed if this country defaults because of your stubborness and arrogance!
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reader110
04:18 PM on 05/19/2011
I know exactly which bills shouldn't be paid if the debt ceiling is not raised - politician salaries.
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Wong23
Card-carrying Progressive
04:02 PM on 05/19/2011
Which of the following best describes the implications you believe will occur if Congress does NOT vote to raise the debt limit? It will be disastrous to the U.S. economy. OR, It will not have a serious impact on the U.S. economy." (GWU Politico poll)

56% disastrous
32% no serious impact.

The American people are a lot more concerned than the extremists in the GOP, apparently.
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Wong23
Card-carrying Progressive
03:54 PM on 05/19/2011
The Republican and Tea Party extremists in Congress are allied with AQ and Muslim extremists in their desire to wreak havoc upon the American economy.
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RMorr2002
04:06 PM on 05/19/2011
LOL!!!  Does it take a lot of effort to be that stupid?
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bredlaum
manners are free
08:52 PM on 05/19/2011
Really ?? You really believe that statement .. Seriously ?
Did you ever hear of Cloward Piven and Saul Alinsky ?
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PatLow
A karate man bruises on the inside
03:53 PM on 05/19/2011
It wont be too long before these same republican congress members do a 180 on this. Wall street power players will be making some phone calls letting these fools know that every dollar they loose as a result of there games will be taken out of campiagn funds. First calls go to Rove and Luntz., from there the talking point changes and they try to paint this as a democratic failure. 
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bredlaum
manners are free
08:55 PM on 05/19/2011
Rove and Luntz? ha ha ha ha
Last I heard they were private citizens .. they work for a living and don't drink the liberal Kool Aid. Everytime I discuss anything with a lib, Rove's name comes up .. sure must be a lot of fear out there.
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PatLow
A karate man bruises on the inside
12:19 PM on 05/20/2011
I know the concept of critical thought eludes most conservatives and it appears you seem to slot into that category. Rove and Luntz are private citizens? That is it?
 
I mention their names not in fear but rather because they are the puppet masters of the conservative movement. 
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raven119
03:53 PM on 05/19/2011
We have to remember that the RNC is swimming in red ink, so they know what debt is.
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Darwan Winkler
Where's the Jobs!
08:20 AM on 05/20/2011
That is something not offered or spoken of often enough. Much like their "family values" ~ greatly lacking and in serious need of work.

If you looked up Hypocrisy I believe you see a picture of an elephant next to the word.
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Gailsunday
I think what I think...therefore, I am
11:09 PM on 05/20/2011
Indeed! an elephant sitting on a three legged stool! hehehe Seen that picture!
03:45 PM on 05/19/2011
The sky is falling; the sky is falling, if its falling, how come we were told that a few days ago and now we are being told it’s really going to fall on August 2. If the sky is really falling how come Obama just came on TV 2 hours ago and said he is sending billions more to Egypt and Tunisia along with the billions we still have planned to send to Pakistan and other countries? Timmy found money a few days ago to pay our bills and Timmy will find more money August 2, because even these idiots in DC aren’t going to keep sending all this money all over the world and bankrupt their own citizens. Meanwhile here at home we have stopped this administration and the Federal Government from spending any more money for the moment. Today is a good day!
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DrObvious
dissatisfied 99%er
05:12 PM on 05/19/2011
We spend 1.8 billion each day on national defense.      The amounts you complain about are trivial compared to the scale of our budget and economy.    
 
A few billion of hard to earn cash invested carefully to promote our foreign policy objectives is a wise investment.    People who want to stop all foreign aide really don't understand how important our global connections are to our economic wellbeing
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phoenixbc
My biographer is still working on my micro-bio.
03:34 PM on 05/19/2011
"The markets are not fooled by some date imposed to say that that is the trigger for the collapse," House Republican Leader Eric Cantor said.

Sure, Congressman. So that monthly statement from your mortgage company or from your credit card company is only there to fool you, I guess. If you can't pay it, don't bother to ask for an extension. Just pay it when you can. What's the worst that could happen?

Cantor, like so many of his ilk, truly depends upon his perceived stupidity of Americans. Maybe the best thing is for Cantor and his buddies to leave the debt ceiling where it is. Then, when the value of the dollar begins an even greater downward slide, he'll find out what that whole "date imposed" thing was all about.

It won't happen all at once. It will be gradual. But, eventually, the cost of foreign-made goods (the ones our former manufacturers now import) will increase more. Foreign-made components for autos will cost more, driving the cost of cars higher. Jobs that rely on the sale of those foreign goods will be lost (we're a service industry now), and some stores may close due to declining sales.

On the plus side, exports may rise, because the dollar costs less. Food exports would rise, but so would the price, because of the increased demand.

Cause and effect, kids.