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Biden: Revenues Must Be Part Of Debt Limit Deal

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First Posted: 05/24/11 08:49 PM ET Updated: 07/24/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Vice President Joseph Biden emerged from Tuesday’s bipartisan deficit meeting declaring that revenues must be part of a final deal for raising the debt limit—a marker that gives the clearest sense to date of how things are shaping up in the ongoing talks.

Biden, leading the talks with House and Senate lawmakers, told reporters that the group is in a position to agree "pretty quick" to more than $1 trillion in deficit reduction. From there, the lawmakers will look to triggers to reach a total of $4 trillion in cuts, he said.

"We're confident that if we keep on this pace, we will get to a very large number," Biden said, adding, "At the end of the day, revenues are going to have to be a part of the deal."

But House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) told reporters after the meeting that tax hikes are still off the table, despite echoing Biden's confidence that the group can agree to more than $1 trillion in immediate cuts.

"This process shows that if people come together, finding spending cuts isn't that hard," Cantor said. But, he added, "I reiterated that tax increases cannot pass the House."

A GOP leadership aide reinforced Cantor's line in the sand on revenues.

"The one thing we've made clear as a non-starter is a tax hike," the aide said. "As the vice president learned in the [continuing resolution] negotiations, saying it to the press doesn't make it so."

Asked whether Republicans in the meeting were warming to the idea of tax increases, Biden joked, "Republicans love it. They just love it."

The group will hold its next meeting, which will be its fifth, next Thursday. The vice president said members of the group will alternate coming in during recess weeks to avoid taking too much time off from the talks. The House and Senate are currently scheduled to be in session on alternating weeks.

Other meeting participants were mum as they trickled out of the meeting.

"We’re making progress," Assistant House Minority Leader James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said repeatedly.

House Budget ranking member Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) demurred when asked if negotiators talked about making cuts to Medicare. "A lot of issues were discussed," he said.

The deficit meeting comes on a day when House GOP leaders signaled plans to hold a "clean" vote next week on raising the debt limit. The vote is purely a political exercise: they expect it to fail and to say it proves that most lawmakers, including Democrats, agree on the need to tie major spending cuts to a hike in the debt limit. The White House has regularly advocated for separate votes on a debt limit hike and deficit reduction.

"This vote will show that the administration’s proposal cannot pass in the House, and that major spending cuts and reforms must be part of the solution," Brendan Buck, spokesman for Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), said in a statement.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) warned earlier Tuesday that a failed vote on a debt limit increase, even if just for political purposes, could spook markets.

Administration officials remain "confident" that negotiators will make progress both on deficit reduction and raising the debt limit, said White House spokeswoman Amy Brundage.

"Serious discussions are already underway on how to reach agreement on significant deficit reduction, and all responsible leaders from both parties agree that we need to extend the debt limit," Brundage said in a statement. "That is important so that the U.S. can live up to obligations for debts the country has already incurred and so that we do not run the risk of plunging the economy into another recession."

Negotiators still have tough decisions ahead. A Politico report notes that even after recent concessions, White House and Republicans are still more than $1.1 trillion apart on how much to devote to domestic spending over the next 10 years.

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WASHINGTON -- Vice President Joseph Biden emerged from Tuesday’s bipartisan deficit meeting declaring that revenues must be part of a final deal for raising the debt limit—a marker that gives the ...
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11:01 PM on 05/31/2011
We need fairness in the tax system. It is shocking that half of Americans pay zero federal income taxes. We need a minimum tax on everybody, and we need to end all refundable tax credits.
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intranautt
The evolution of history continues
04:40 PM on 05/28/2011
There are two words I have not heard. Raise Taxes. I last heard the words when Bill Clinton (that hand shaking man who connects with the people) was president. Are those words going to be used so close to election time? Remember,"ask what you can do for your country." (get it out of debt). Okay, two solutions: raise taxes and cut military spending. We've gone from neutrality to one of the largest militarist nation in the world. Well, my watch dog sleeps at night, with earplugs.
03:02 PM on 05/25/2011
Just remove all Republicans from Social Security , Medicare and Medicaid. And remove all Republicans from any disaster aid too.

The Republicans want Government off of their backs so lets also take them off of the Governments back.
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James Bridges
Blue Texan
04:43 PM on 05/25/2011
Nope, wouldn't work. They would all turn their coats just like they did when they became GOPers after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed. Still it might be fun to watch.
hgus
It's not about the economy, stupid
05:57 PM on 05/25/2011
I really do have a problem with the lack of appreciation that is given for disaster relief.

God knows the people of Joplin need the money and the help. They are getting 1 billion in tax payer money (I believe i read that somewhere). A lot of that money, given the desire to get it out quickly, some of that money will not be spent efficiently. So?

People are hurt, dieing homeless, sick and scared. I don't care if it is "efficient" i want them helped.

If that makes me a bleading heart liberal??? Give me a tree to hug.
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cvbnm67
Pursuing truth, and all those who threaten it.
02:56 PM on 05/25/2011
No Spending Cuts without corresponding Tax hikes. That should be the Democratic position and they should not budge. If they do that, the Dems will win the House and increase their majority in the Senate, and gaurantee an Obama second term. Anything less, they are all toast. That is the bottom line.
02:36 PM on 05/25/2011
Let me be clear what the GOP are opposed to when they use the term no tax hikes,they are not talking about you and me,they are talking about the millionaires,wealthy,oil companies,CEO's of health insurance companies who have not hurt one bit during this recession and period of high unemployment.They are determined to continue the give aways to the wealthy,wall street,big banks,mortgage companies and their buddies in big oil.

They are determined to maintain the status quo,where only the wealthy get the breaks while 98% of this country suffers.Do not forget this is the same group who wanted to make the Bush Tax cuts permanent but President Obama and the electorate will end them for good next year.The free ride for the wealthy is over and it's about time.

This trillion dollar in cuts without rasing taxes on the wealthy is aimed at the middle class,unemployed,medicare,social security and all the programs that folks,their kids and parents depend on just to survive.The wealthy must start paying their fair share of taxes now or NO CUTS PERIOD.
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Help save Big Cats from extinction!
03:33 PM on 05/25/2011
I love how republican try and say these corporations pay a lot in taxes. What they leave out is that most of these oil corporations who compete in a global market pay MORE taxes to foreign countries than they do to the United States. All oil corporations do is pay state taxes for their business operations within the state but they don’t pay any federal taxes based on the loopholes that allow them to not pay, (created by republicans) all the while they receive tax payers money in the form of subsides. Anytime you see a statement that Exxon paid 47% in taxes last year, just remember that is the total tax they paid to the world NOT the USA.
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GUITFIDDEL
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03:31 PM on 06/01/2011
The difference between us and them is that they (Repub voters) don't know these things because in order to know or, even understand what you've just posted requires that you READ and do a little RESEARCH instead of just listening to Right Wing Radio.
04:42 PM on 05/25/2011
How can you say the wealthy don't pay their fair share when they pay the majority of taxes in this country? 50% of people pay NO taxes at all. Just how many months a year do you think ANY person should have to work for the federal government?
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bad spelling grammar
Help save Big Cats from extinction!
05:35 PM on 05/25/2011
Where did you come up with that number that 50% of Americans pay no taxes? I can’t find anything that backs your statement. Unless you are referring to oil and agriculture not paying any federal tax in which we are all aware of not to mention that the Bush tax cuts have been extended for the super rich. You have no evidence to support the 50% claim, people even have to pay taxes on their Social Security so I don’t know how 150 million (half the US population) people can just skip out on their taxes. I am sure you just didn’t pay attention to any of this when writing your comment along with your ridiculous claim that 50% of the American population doesn’t pay taxes.
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dsgeorge
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02:32 PM on 05/25/2011
If democrats even LOOK like they are going to cave even an inch in Medicare/Social Security then they will not only lose the Senate, but the GOP will keep the house and Obama could even lose.

People will vote wrong but strong over correct but weak every time -- which in itself is a flaw and how we ended up with the teabaggers but it is what it is.
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cvbnm67
Pursuing truth, and all those who threaten it.
02:53 PM on 05/25/2011
You are so right.
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LesleyAnne
04:18 PM on 05/25/2011
They better refuse to compromise over Medicare and SS especially in light of the victory in the NY race. Are they even paying attention to what that means? I hate it that Dems are so willing to compromise on behalf of the 95% while Repubs need no extra incentive to push for the top 5%. The people are out in force trying to stake a claim for themselves, starting with Wisconsin and continuing up until just yesterday in New York. If the Dems in Congress don't back them up 100%, there will be mass demonstrations at the capital.
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Sean Laney
06:07 PM on 05/25/2011
They aren't compromising; they are letting the Republicans take things where they and their rich contributors wanted them in the first place.
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amaboss52
Jesus died for your sins...get your moneys worth!
02:30 PM on 05/25/2011
They're going to raise the rich piggy tax cut welfare just watch, people, even repubs are sick to death of everything benefitting the rich while cutting and taking away the things that help the rest of us, and we out number them.
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Boomer946
Time to expose the man behind the curtain
02:24 PM on 05/25/2011
I hope the Dems push two things above all else in these negotiations: 1.) Medicare is totally off the table; 2.) tax increases are a must to help paydown the deficit. It they deviate from either of these they will lose the 2012 majority in the Senate and maybe lose more ground in the House. They may even lose the White House if they include Medicare as a target for cutting.
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warloch2
Spraying cold reality from the hose of truth.
02:16 PM on 05/25/2011
You know it is not fair that Obama will not let Biteme wear the spiked court jester hat with little bells on the ends of the spikes in public; then listening to his insane nonsense would at least be entertaining. :-)
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03:08 PM on 05/25/2011
as opposed to your nonsense, which is boring
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koyak23
02:14 PM on 05/25/2011
Bush tax cuts and two wars are on track to account for over half our debt in the next 7 years.

End the tax cuts
End the wars

Half the problem is solved

The severe Bush recession resulting from banking de-regulation is responsible for a large part of the other half of the debt.

Re-regulated the banks a la Glass-Steagal

Now you have a debt that is less than 20% of GDP
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oldcliche
02:31 PM on 05/25/2011
Amen to that.
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Oceras
Tax High Incomes!
06:59 PM on 05/25/2011
Don't stop at ending the tax cuts and the wars, both of which are necessary. Beyond ending the tax cuts, taxes needed to be raised to the levels they were at before Bush took office. Then, end the wars, reregulate and the whole problem is solved.
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oldngrumpy
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01:23 PM on 05/25/2011
Americans, of all political persuasions. We are facing a threat from terrorism that may well change our way of life forever. I'm not talking about some donkey jockeys with a few WWII weapons on the other side of the world who have never been over 100 miles from their birthplace. I'm talking about the economic terrorists that have infiltrated our government, working their destruction from inside our own power structure.

The parties appear to be farther apart and more confrontational than ever in our history, and yet the mechanics of our economy march onward with little change. Our direction was secured long before President Bush and Secretary Paulson announced that we were essentially bankrupt. It was decided in board rooms and secret meetings on Wall St by people who never ran for office.

The big name financial giants that have become common icons of the meltdown were managed by people who have moved in and out of our government like clients in a brothel. They use their wealth and power to manipulate and tweak as they need and then go back to their gilded palaces. These are the terrorists that we must defeat and they know no party loyalty nor care for our political ideologies. Their names are known, but not spoken often. Rubin, Geithner, Summers, and the rest. Let's rally together as Americans and rid ourselves of this threat before it destroys us. Evict financial terrorists from "OUR" house. Begin with a demand for Geithner's removal.
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Sean Laney
06:11 PM on 05/25/2011
Thank you for putting it so bluntly.
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cassie reinara
01:10 PM on 05/25/2011
No deal with the Devil. You need to raise revenue to balance the budget and that means taxes to the wealthiest and big business, otherwise it is not budget reduction, but more like wealth transfer to the rich. People are no longer fooled. The riots and demonstrations in Europe will soon be coming to the U.S. streets!
01:02 PM on 05/25/2011
When two parties agree to negotiate, one party can't start by saying something is "off the table". That defeats the purpose of negotiating. Everything should be "on the table".
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James Bridges
Blue Texan
04:49 PM on 05/25/2011
It is not negotiating when you are defending the fort with all you have. We are at war with ourselves. Only when the people have decided a winner will the struggle cease.
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Oceras
Tax High Incomes!
07:02 PM on 05/25/2011
You can negotiate with whatever you want off the table. The opposing party may not agree to those terms, but if they do, the rest can be negotiated.
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kkehoe5
There is no knowledge that is not power.
12:53 PM on 05/25/2011
Is it still considered a spending cut when the money for spending on certain programs was set to expire anyways?

6 in one hand, half dozen in the other.
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AMERIKA
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12:17 PM on 05/25/2011
Just remember, in order for the taxes on the wealthy to go up, Congress needs to do NOTHING. They expire without action. And President Obama has indicated that he will not do anything about them
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Oceras
Tax High Incomes!
07:03 PM on 05/25/2011
Hooray for Obama! Hooray even more if they are raised above the expired levels.